It was blatant trolling that was masked relatively well. With any game now a days, it's pretty much common knowledge to steer clear of the forums for said game. There's never going to be anything good coming from them, it's always the same 5 trolls posting trying to get people to quit, and the fanboys who want to go on there and defend their game to the death. Some games have noticeably worse forums (darkfall comes to mind) and some have actually decent forums (dcuo comes to mind and probably more but that was the last forum I was on that didn't have trolls everywhere).
MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.
Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Ok if you would have not deleted the rest we would actually agree I said if you averaged all reviews the current game would be 7.5-8 you say 7. Second do I like Justin Biebers music nope but guess what some peoples spend $20 on his cd. Furthermore it's people own decisions to spend $20 on something they believe is not crap. Hooray you think it is hooray some people don't think it's crap.
Originally posted by Frostvein Originally posted by Kicksave321Originally posted by simpliuseurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters tooat launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer goglesas soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordinglyand swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.
Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Originally posted by simpliuseurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters tooat launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer goglesas soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordinglyand swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.
Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?
No, I'm saying using that number as an indication of its quality is misleading. If we are quantifying anything based on numbers alone, then WoW was the best game ever, McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world, and the Beibs is one of the greatest musicians in history.
It seems to me that this game is one of the most heavily criticized games of all time. When people stick to the facts there posts come out quite acceptable pro or con (crit of the space game was well deserved, no one expected a mini space, we all thought a full fleshed out space game would be there) . Why though people were surprised when Bioware came out with a story driven mmo is beyond me? combat, story, companion, star wars atmosphere , crafting , PvE and PvE make this a good game for me, like any mmo, it does need improvements and they are improving it.
(In case it gets deleted, it just a guy who made a short post that he's leaving the game, he thanks EA and says he hopes the game would be around in a couple of years, and then rates certain parts of the game with an out of 10 score, with a total score of 4/10)
Check out the backlash in the replies for yourself. He's being called a troll simply because he gave the game a low score. You will see this on pretty much any thread that criticizes the game.
The funny thing is, if you be honest with your opinion and critizise the game and get a load of nasty comments from the Bio drone defenders, you're the one who's probably going to get banned or given an infraction for "baiting, starting arguments to get a reaction" etc and everyone else will get away with it.
So for anyone who comes on here, just a warning to you, avoid the official forums.
And that's different from anyone who might say something positive about that game on these forums how?
Firstly, let me qualify this by saying, I have no interest in SWTOR. This thread caught my eye as I was browsing the main page of the site and I thought it warranted a post.
The innate problem with this thread (The one I'm posting in) is that it doesn't quite get the problem at hand (no offence guys, but a couple of people have hit on the issue but then the conversation continues around it ). Not that I'm trying to start an argument here either. My first thought when reading the fellows post was he's JUST seeking attention - That's why people write good bye posts on forums right? Most people couldn't care why a single player is leaving xxxxx game or forum. So that's the initial problem there.
In even just making the post, he's boiling a broth of destructiveness for the (easily) baited community. Then he goes on to criticise the very reason for that communties existence... I don't know about you, but I don't particularly care who you are, I'd be chomping at the bit to have a piece of you if I were feeling slighted in that aspect.
That's just a couple of reasons that I can see the validate a flame war against the OP of that particular thread. Other than that, I have no idea what the community is like in general, but slagging off their game to them is probably not the way to bring them on side.
Originally posted by simpliuseurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters tooat launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer goglesas soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordinglyand swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
PC gamer gave it a 93
Which means nothing. PC Gamer gave Duke Nukem Forever an 80 (http://www.pcgamer.com/review/duke-nukem-forever-review/3) and that game is also objectively terrible. Their rating system is ridiculously flawed.MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?
No, I'm saying using that number as an indication of its quality is misleading. If we are quantifying anything based on numbers alone, then WoW was the best game ever, McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world, and the Beibs is one of the greatest musicians in history.
I would like to see how it's possible to show how SWToR is a bad game without resorting to opinions. If the good opinions of the people who enjoy the game as reflected in the game's sales don't count, then the bad opinions of the people who do not enjoy the game do not count either. That doesn't leave much since SWToR is a product where the quality exists only in the opinions people have about the game.
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The idea seems to be to throw out any reviews of the game as well. If the good reviews don't count, neither do the bad reviews.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Originally posted by simpliuseurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters tooat launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer goglesas soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordinglyand swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.
Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?
No, I'm saying using that number as an indication of its quality is misleading. If we are quantifying anything based on numbers alone, then WoW was the best game ever, McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world, and the Beibs is one of the greatest musicians in history.
But to base it on one or two posters is also misleading. Just because you think WoW, Bieber, McDonalds and SWTOR is crap well to put it in your words doesnt mean anything.
Is WoW the best game in the world? For some it is good for them who are you to judge?
Is McDonalds the best restaurant in the world? For some it is again who are you to judge?
Is Bieber the best musician in history? For some again yes, who are you to judge?
So you want me to stop throwing out the truth about a million players and making a profit but its ok for you to compare Bieber, WoW and McDonalds? Now thats an ok argument?
Originally posted by simpliuseurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters tooat launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer goglesas soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordinglyand swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
PC gamer gave it a 93
Which means nothing. PC Gamer gave Duke Nukem Forever an 80 (http://www.pcgamer.com/review/duke-nukem-forever-review/3) and that game is also objectively terrible. Their rating system is ridiculously flawed.MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?
No, I'm saying using that number as an indication of its quality is misleading. If we are quantifying anything based on numbers alone, then WoW was the best game ever, McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world, and the Beibs is one of the greatest musicians in history.
I would like to see how it's possible to show how SWToR is a bad game without resorting to opinions. If the good opinions of the people who enjoy the game as reflected in the game's sales don't count, then the bad opinions of the people who do not enjoy the game do not count either. That doesn't leave much since SWToR is a product where the quality exists only in the opinions people have about the game.
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The idea seems to be to throw out any reviews of the game as well. If the good reviews don't count, neither do the bad reviews.
Its not opinion to say that the game is missing features that other games have. Its not an opinion to say that the engine isn't robust. Its not an opinion to say that the OWPvP is lacking. Its not an opinion to say that the combat has been done before.
Opinion would be "I think their battlegrounds are lame" not 'Their battlegrounds are very similar to WoW's and several other games out on the market'
I'm not throwing out all reviews (like Eurogamers, whose in my opinion is really low - then again, at the time they did it I don't disagree) but giving reviews about MMOs is tough because most time is spent at end game, whereas none or nearly none of the reviewers actually spent any time there. its misleading.
Maybe I should have been more clear. Games are judged on several different factors, not just financial success or popularity. Tossing income or popularity out as the reason a game is good/bad is wrong.
But to base it on one or two posters is also misleading. Just because you think WoW, Bieber, McDonalds and SWTOR is crap well to put it in your words doesnt mean anything.
Is WoW the best game in the world? For some it is good for them who are you to judge?
Is McDonalds the best restaurant in the world? For some it is again who are you to judge?
Is Bieber the best musician in history? For some again yes, who are you to judge?
So you want me to stop throwing out the truth about a million players and making a profit but its ok for you to compare Bieber, WoW and McDonalds? Now thats an ok argument?
Not so sure you couldn't disprove that one...but everything else is harmless enjoyment so just opinions
Originally posted by simpliuseurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters tooat launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer goglesas soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordinglyand swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.
Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?
No, I'm saying using that number as an indication of its quality is misleading. If we are quantifying anything based on numbers alone, then WoW was the best game ever, McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world, and the Beibs is one of the greatest musicians in history.
But to base it on one or two posters is also misleading. Just because you think WoW, Bieber, McDonalds and SWTOR is crap well to put it in your words doesnt mean anything.
Is WoW the best game in the world? For some it is good for them who are you to judge?
Is McDonalds the best restaurant in the world? For some it is again who are you to judge?
Is Bieber the best musician in history? For some again yes, who are you to judge?
So you want me to stop throwing out the truth about a million players and making a profit but its ok for you to compare Bieber, WoW and McDonalds? Now thats an ok argument?
I swear, someone needs to make "World of Trollcraft", where the sole objective is to invent fiction, pass it off as fact, and start senseless arguments about every imaginable subject.
Maybe then we'd get back to playing games instead of arguing in them & about them.
(In case it gets deleted, it just a guy who made a short post that he's leaving the game, he thanks EA and says he hopes the game would be around in a couple of years, and then rates certain parts of the game with an out of 10 score, with a total score of 4/10)
Check out the backlash in the replies for yourself. He's being called a troll simply because he gave the game a low score. You will see this on pretty much any thread that criticizes the game.
The funny thing is, if you be honest with your opinion and critizise the game and get a load of nasty comments from the Bio drone defenders, you're the one who's probably going to get banned or given an infraction for "baiting, starting arguments to get a reaction" etc and everyone else will get away with it.
So for anyone who comes on here, just a warning to you, avoid the official forums.
Also be warned that if you are banned from the forums you are banned from being able to play any of your games you have registered on your EA account if it's tied with your TOR account. And yes, they do ban people for criticizing the game. In their EULA/TOS they say they can ban you at any time on the forums for any reason they see fit.
It's best just to avoid the TOR or any EA related forum at all unless you for some reason want to only talk about how good their games are. It's sad that the devs will never see any good feedback though.
Originally posted by simpliuseurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters tooat launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer goglesas soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordinglyand swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
PC gamer gave it a 93
Which means nothing. PC Gamer gave Duke Nukem Forever an 80 (http://www.pcgamer.com/review/duke-nukem-forever-review/3) and that game is also objectively terrible. Their rating system is ridiculously flawed.MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?
No, I'm saying using that number as an indication of its quality is misleading. If we are quantifying anything based on numbers alone, then WoW was the best game ever, McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world, and the Beibs is one of the greatest musicians in history.
I would like to see how it's possible to show how SWToR is a bad game without resorting to opinions. If the good opinions of the people who enjoy the game as reflected in the game's sales don't count, then the bad opinions of the people who do not enjoy the game do not count either. That doesn't leave much since SWToR is a product where the quality exists only in the opinions people have about the game.
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The idea seems to be to throw out any reviews of the game as well. If the good reviews don't count, neither do the bad reviews.
Its not opinion to say that the game is missing features that other games have(yes it is, these are features you believe should be in the game to make it better, therefore your opinion). Its not an opinion to say that the engine isn't robust(Again this is your opinion, I would bet if you ask those who play the game what they think of the engine most wouldnt know what your talking about and the rest wouldnt have an issue with it, so yes again this is an opinion). Its not an opinion to say that the OWPvP is lacking(Well there really isnt any OWPvP, they took it out and have not added it back, so again if you asked most who play they wouldnt care, so again your opinion). Its not an opinion to say that the combat has been done before.(But it would be an opinion to say it has not been improved upon, I personally enjoy the combat and that is definetly not one of SWTOR issues, but thats my opinion.)
Opinion would be "I think their battlegrounds are lame" not 'Their battlegrounds are very similar to WoW's and several other games out on the market'
I'm not throwing out all reviews (like Eurogamers, whose in my opinion is really low - then again, at the time they did it I don't disagree) but giving reviews about MMOs is tough because most time is spent at end game, whereas none or nearly none of the reviewers actually spent any time there. its misleading.
Maybe I should have been more clear. Games are judged on several different factors, not just financial success or popularity. Tossing income or popularity out as the reason a game is good/bad is wrong.
So sorry yes those were all your opinions.
Hey just know I am not saying your opinions are wrong, just saying they are your opinions, to talk like you are that they are facts and 100% true for everyone is very very far from reality.
Originally posted by simpliuseurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters tooat launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer goglesas soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordinglyand swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
PC gamer gave it a 93
Which means nothing. PC Gamer gave Duke Nukem Forever an 80 (http://www.pcgamer.com/review/duke-nukem-forever-review/3) and that game is also objectively terrible. Their rating system is ridiculously flawed.MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?
No, I'm saying using that number as an indication of its quality is misleading. If we are quantifying anything based on numbers alone, then WoW was the best game ever, McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world, and the Beibs is one of the greatest musicians in history.
I would like to see how it's possible to show how SWToR is a bad game without resorting to opinions. If the good opinions of the people who enjoy the game as reflected in the game's sales don't count, then the bad opinions of the people who do not enjoy the game do not count either. That doesn't leave much since SWToR is a product where the quality exists only in the opinions people have about the game.
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The idea seems to be to throw out any reviews of the game as well. If the good reviews don't count, neither do the bad reviews.
Its not opinion to say that the game is missing features that other games have(yes it is, these are features you believe should be in the game to make it better, therefore your opinion). Its not an opinion to say that the engine isn't robust(Again this is your opinion, I would bet if you ask those who play the game what they think of the engine most wouldnt know what your talking about and the rest wouldnt have an issue with it, so yes again this is an opinion). Its not an opinion to say that the OWPvP is lacking(Well there really isnt any OWPvP, they took it out and have not added it back, so again if you asked most who play they wouldnt care, so again your opinion). Its not an opinion to say that the combat has been done before.(But it would be an opinion to say it has not been improved upon, I personally enjoy the combat and that is definetly not one of SWTOR issues, but thats my opinion.)
Opinion would be "I think their battlegrounds are lame" not 'Their battlegrounds are very similar to WoW's and several other games out on the market'
I'm not throwing out all reviews (like Eurogamers, whose in my opinion is really low - then again, at the time they did it I don't disagree) but giving reviews about MMOs is tough because most time is spent at end game, whereas none or nearly none of the reviewers actually spent any time there. its misleading.
Maybe I should have been more clear. Games are judged on several different factors, not just financial success or popularity. Tossing income or popularity out as the reason a game is good/bad is wrong.
So sorry yes those were all your opinions.
Hey just know I am not saying your opinions are wrong, just saying they are your opinions, to talk like you are that they are facts and 100% true for everyone is very very far from reality.
You are wrong. I never said the game would be more fun. I objectively stated things its missing.
Opinion - "This game isn't as fun as WoW because it doesn't have macros."
Fact - This game doesn't have macros.
Opinion - "This game sucks because it doesn't have a day/night cycle."
Someone breaks forum rules, heads to MMORPG to bitch and moan and then we get pages of pointless semantics. The main forums are not for reviews or "I quit" posts. That is an extremely easy concept to understand is is listed under the forum rules.
If you cannot bother to read forum rules prior to posting then it is 100% entirely your own fault. The forums are for the benefit of actual players of the game. More open forums like MMORPG and many others are the best for such posts.
Why should I say clear of the SWTOR forums? I fully understand that they are developer hosted forums and what spectrum of conversation will be posted there. To call actual players fanbois who pay money for the game on DEVELOPER HOSTED FORUMS is like heading to a University and smack talking their own teams and students. It is rather silly.
Do you honestly expect Bioware to nurture posts trying to persuade their clients NOT to play the game? Give your head a shake man. Face reality and stop with the juvenile ideology. There are fully sanctioned channels of communication for suggestions and critique. The issue is that people like this require an audience to justify and support their grievances because they lack the integrity to simply quit or use proper channels of communication.
I personally have left many extremely critical posts on SWTOR forums and NEVER got into trouble even once. It is HOW you do it that matters and professionalism and integrity are extremely important when wanting to be heard and understood.
Same old same old. It seems that the only thing that has changed in the 9 months since I last played is Andryah's avatar.
Staying away from official forums is always good advice.
Don't speak that Name. Ever.
(....Kill it... kill it QUICKLY Mr. Frodo...)
That there is one MMO Forums I am glad I don't post on. Completely programmed for "Propaganda". A forum is useless without the "Good, Bad, AND the Ugly" in opinions and comments. The SWTOR forums exist as nothing more than another marketing tool, not as a tool for meaningful communication. (as are some other official forums)
Wow, really. Such broad strokes and so untrue. I used the official forums when I came back after leaving to find old server friends and find world PVP events. It worked great.
I don't play anymore, but stating the forums are nothing but propaganda is nothing but false.
Someone breaks forum rules, heads to MMORPG to bitch and moan and then we get pages of pointless semantics. The main forums are not for reviews or "I quit" posts. That is an extremely easy concept to understand is is listed under the forum rules.
If you cannot bother to read forum rules prior to posting then it is 100% entirely your own fault. The forums are for the benefit of actual players of the game. More open forums like MMORPG and many others are the best for such posts.
Why should I say clear of the SWTOR forums? I fully understand that they are developer hosted forums and what spectrum of conversation will be posted there. To call actual players fanbois who pay money for the game on DEVELOPER HOSTED FORUMS is like heading to a University and smack talking their own teams and students. It is rather silly.
Do you honestly expect Bioware to nurture posts trying to persuade their clients NOT to play the game? Give your head a shake man. Face reality and stop with the juvenile ideology. There are fully sanctioned channels of communication for suggestions and critique. The issue is that people like this require an audience to justify and support their grievances because they lack the integrity to simply quit or use proper channels of communication.
I personally have left many extremely critical posts on SWTOR forums and NEVER got into trouble even once. It is HOW you do it that matters and professionalism and integrity are extremely important when wanting to be heard and understood.
Originally posted by Frostvein Originally posted by lizardbonesOriginally posted by FrostveinOriginally posted by lizardbonesOriginally posted by FrostveinOriginally posted by Kicksave321Originally posted by simpliuseurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters tooat launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer goglesas soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordinglyand swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
PC gamer gave it a 93Which means nothing. PC Gamer gave Duke Nukem Forever an 80 (http://www.pcgamer.com/review/duke-nukem-forever-review/3) and that game is also objectively terrible. Their rating system is ridiculously flawed.MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?No, I'm saying using that number as an indication of its quality is misleading. If we are quantifying anything based on numbers alone, then WoW was the best game ever, McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world, and the Beibs is one of the greatest musicians in history. I would like to see how it's possible to show how SWToR is a bad game without resorting to opinions. If the good opinions of the people who enjoy the game as reflected in the game's sales don't count, then the bad opinions of the people who do not enjoy the game do not count either. That doesn't leave much since SWToR is a product where the quality exists only in the opinions people have about the game. ** The idea seems to be to throw out any reviews of the game as well. If the good reviews don't count, neither do the bad reviews.
Its not opinion to say that the game is missing features that other games have. Its not an opinion to say that the engine isn't robust. Its not an opinion to say that the OWPvP is lacking. Its not an opinion to say that the combat has been done before.
Opinion would be "I think their battlegrounds are lame" not 'Their battlegrounds are very similar to WoW's and several other games out on the market'
I'm not throwing out all reviews (like Eurogamers, whose in my opinion is really low - then again, at the time they did it I don't disagree) but giving reviews about MMOs is tough because most time is spent at end game, whereas none or nearly none of the reviewers actually spent any time there. its misleading.Maybe I should have been more clear. Games are judged on several different factors, not just financial success or popularity. Tossing income or popularity out as the reason a game is good/bad is wrong.
Tossing income and player base out as an indicator that the developer is doing something right is perfectly valid. They are obviously doing something right.
Is this an opinion?
Yea, no surprise there.
They aren't interested in any feedback (legit or otherwise)
Everyone keeps buying their virtual crap, so why would they change anything?
How about this?
A 20 dollar dye is virtual crap, regardless of what you say.
MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.
Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Believe it or not, I get what you're saying. I've said some of the same things in other threads. The problem is that you're not providing anything other than your own opinion to back up anything you're saying. Especially not in this thread.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
(In case it gets deleted, it just a guy who made a short post that he's leaving the game, he thanks EA and says he hopes the game would be around in a couple of years, and then rates certain parts of the game with an out of 10 score, with a total score of 4/10)
Check out the backlash in the replies for yourself. He's being called a troll simply because he gave the game a low score. You will see this on pretty much any thread that criticizes the game.
The funny thing is, if you be honest with your opinion and critizise the game and get a load of nasty comments from the Bio drone defenders, you're the one who's probably going to get banned or given an infraction for "baiting, starting arguments to get a reaction" etc and everyone else will get away with it.
So for anyone who comes on here, just a warning to you, avoid the official forums.
Can't remember if I was ever on official forums, however speaking from my PERSONAL experience .... Swtor along with Wow is best duo ever in gaming for me.
This is yesterday reply to one of the posts from Eric Musco. In my opinion SWTOR moderators are really lenient and allow a lot more than other game forums.
Hey everyone,
This thread gives me a good opportunity to pop in and just give everyone a reminder of a couple of forum rules. When I took over as Community Manager I lightened up the rules of the forums a bit. My goal was to allow a place where people could express their opinions, both good and bad. Sometimes while doing that we get a little bit "internet" about it and say things that get close to the line of breaking the rules. It was always our goal to allow you to get near that line now and again, as we all certainly get worked up. However it is when those actions are repeated and intentional that it can become a problem.
Today, as indicated by this thread, we have seen a rash amount of "post necroing," this tend to be around folks being negative in a way that is not constructive.
Although neither of these offenses by themselves will warrant your account to be actioned, please keep in mind that it is our goal for these forums to remain a safe place for discussion. If you are found to be repeatedly necroing posts, creating threads with little constructive feedback, or breaking any other minor forum rule, this can still lead to infractions on your account. Again, our goal is to be a safe place for discussion, both positive and negative, let's all just be a bit nicer to one another and act within the forum rules.
Does anyone else think people go overboard with the negativity when they're leaving an MMO, moreso than anything else?
I wonder what the psychology behind it is. Why do MMO players seem to be more intent on spreading negativity than with other things? It's like, if I don't enjoy eating a certain food, I wouldn't go out of my way to tell everyone that food sucks and they shouldn't eat it, based only on my personal preference.
I do think that constructive criticism is a good thing, but I feel like the hate for some MMOs gets so crazy on the internet, it actually damages the game to a point where new players are discouraged from even giving it a chance, and the people playing are actually having their content updates negatively impacted as a result.
Maybe I'm off base here? Or maybe it's just the "misery loves company" thing, combined with MMOs being a larger time investment?
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Ok if you would have not deleted the rest we would actually agree I said if you averaged all reviews the current game would be 7.5-8 you say 7. Second do I like Justin Biebers music nope but guess what some peoples spend $20 on his cd. Furthermore it's people own decisions to spend $20 on something they believe is not crap. Hooray you think it is hooray some people don't think it's crap.
Which means nothing. PC Gamer gave Duke Nukem Forever an 80 (http://www.pcgamer.com/review/duke-nukem-forever-review/3) and that game is also objectively terrible. Their rating system is ridiculously flawed.
MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.
Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
No, I'm saying using that number as an indication of its quality is misleading. If we are quantifying anything based on numbers alone, then WoW was the best game ever, McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world, and the Beibs is one of the greatest musicians in history.
And that's different from anyone who might say something positive about that game on these forums how?
Firstly, let me qualify this by saying, I have no interest in SWTOR. This thread caught my eye as I was browsing the main page of the site and I thought it warranted a post.
The innate problem with this thread (The one I'm posting in) is that it doesn't quite get the problem at hand (no offence guys, but a couple of people have hit on the issue but then the conversation continues around it ). Not that I'm trying to start an argument here either. My first thought when reading the fellows post was he's JUST seeking attention - That's why people write good bye posts on forums right? Most people couldn't care why a single player is leaving xxxxx game or forum. So that's the initial problem there.
In even just making the post, he's boiling a broth of destructiveness for the (easily) baited community. Then he goes on to criticise the very reason for that communties existence... I don't know about you, but I don't particularly care who you are, I'd be chomping at the bit to have a piece of you if I were feeling slighted in that aspect.
That's just a couple of reasons that I can see the validate a flame war against the OP of that particular thread. Other than that, I have no idea what the community is like in general, but slagging off their game to them is probably not the way to bring them on side.
Just my AU$0.0182
I would like to see how it's possible to show how SWToR is a bad game without resorting to opinions. If the good opinions of the people who enjoy the game as reflected in the game's sales don't count, then the bad opinions of the people who do not enjoy the game do not count either. That doesn't leave much since SWToR is a product where the quality exists only in the opinions people have about the game.
**
The idea seems to be to throw out any reviews of the game as well. If the good reviews don't count, neither do the bad reviews.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
But to base it on one or two posters is also misleading. Just because you think WoW, Bieber, McDonalds and SWTOR is crap well to put it in your words doesnt mean anything.
Is WoW the best game in the world? For some it is good for them who are you to judge?
Is McDonalds the best restaurant in the world? For some it is again who are you to judge?
Is Bieber the best musician in history? For some again yes, who are you to judge?
So you want me to stop throwing out the truth about a million players and making a profit but its ok for you to compare Bieber, WoW and McDonalds? Now thats an ok argument?
Its not opinion to say that the game is missing features that other games have. Its not an opinion to say that the engine isn't robust. Its not an opinion to say that the OWPvP is lacking. Its not an opinion to say that the combat has been done before.
Opinion would be "I think their battlegrounds are lame" not 'Their battlegrounds are very similar to WoW's and several other games out on the market'
I'm not throwing out all reviews (like Eurogamers, whose in my opinion is really low - then again, at the time they did it I don't disagree) but giving reviews about MMOs is tough because most time is spent at end game, whereas none or nearly none of the reviewers actually spent any time there. its misleading.
Maybe I should have been more clear. Games are judged on several different factors, not just financial success or popularity. Tossing income or popularity out as the reason a game is good/bad is wrong.Not so sure you couldn't disprove that one...but everything else is harmless enjoyment so just opinions
Read my previous post.
I swear, someone needs to make "World of Trollcraft", where the sole objective is to invent fiction, pass it off as fact, and start senseless arguments about every imaginable subject.
Maybe then we'd get back to playing games instead of arguing in them & about them.
Also be warned that if you are banned from the forums you are banned from being able to play any of your games you have registered on your EA account if it's tied with your TOR account. And yes, they do ban people for criticizing the game. In their EULA/TOS they say they can ban you at any time on the forums for any reason they see fit.
It's best just to avoid the TOR or any EA related forum at all unless you for some reason want to only talk about how good their games are. It's sad that the devs will never see any good feedback though.
So sorry yes those were all your opinions.
Hey just know I am not saying your opinions are wrong, just saying they are your opinions, to talk like you are that they are facts and 100% true for everyone is very very far from reality.
You are wrong. I never said the game would be more fun. I objectively stated things its missing.
Opinion - "This game isn't as fun as WoW because it doesn't have macros."
Fact - This game doesn't have macros.
Opinion - "This game sucks because it doesn't have a day/night cycle."
Fact - This game doesn't have a day night/cycle
This happens over and over again in any game.
Someone breaks forum rules, heads to MMORPG to bitch and moan and then we get pages of pointless semantics. The main forums are not for reviews or "I quit" posts. That is an extremely easy concept to understand is is listed under the forum rules.
If you cannot bother to read forum rules prior to posting then it is 100% entirely your own fault. The forums are for the benefit of actual players of the game. More open forums like MMORPG and many others are the best for such posts.
Why should I say clear of the SWTOR forums? I fully understand that they are developer hosted forums and what spectrum of conversation will be posted there. To call actual players fanbois who pay money for the game on DEVELOPER HOSTED FORUMS is like heading to a University and smack talking their own teams and students. It is rather silly.
Do you honestly expect Bioware to nurture posts trying to persuade their clients NOT to play the game? Give your head a shake man. Face reality and stop with the juvenile ideology. There are fully sanctioned channels of communication for suggestions and critique. The issue is that people like this require an audience to justify and support their grievances because they lack the integrity to simply quit or use proper channels of communication.
I personally have left many extremely critical posts on SWTOR forums and NEVER got into trouble even once. It is HOW you do it that matters and professionalism and integrity are extremely important when wanting to be heard and understood.
You stay sassy!
For commenting in that thread my game account and forum account is permanently banned for "trolling." What in god's name...I'm not even going to ask.
I'm done.
They really messed up an amazing IP.
I did just pay for a 60 day thing...conspiracies aside I think it's a conspiracy lol...sigh.
Discuss. Reason. Society.
Become a Dragon. Take your world back.
Wow, really. Such broad strokes and so untrue. I used the official forums when I came back after leaving to find old server friends and find world PVP events. It worked great.
I don't play anymore, but stating the forums are nothing but propaganda is nothing but false.
100% agreed.
Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E
Which means nothing. PC Gamer gave Duke Nukem Forever an 80 (http://www.pcgamer.com/review/duke-nukem-forever-review/3) and that game is also objectively terrible. Their rating system is ridiculously flawed. MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7. Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
Wait, you're saying a game with a million players every month doesn't mean anything? That's more than pretty much any game aside from WoW. How is that meaningless?
No, I'm saying using that number as an indication of its quality is misleading. If we are quantifying anything based on numbers alone, then WoW was the best game ever, McDonalds is the best restaurant in the world, and the Beibs is one of the greatest musicians in history.
I would like to see how it's possible to show how SWToR is a bad game without resorting to opinions. If the good opinions of the people who enjoy the game as reflected in the game's sales don't count, then the bad opinions of the people who do not enjoy the game do not count either. That doesn't leave much since SWToR is a product where the quality exists only in the opinions people have about the game. ** The idea seems to be to throw out any reviews of the game as well. If the good reviews don't count, neither do the bad reviews.
Its not opinion to say that the game is missing features that other games have. Its not an opinion to say that the engine isn't robust. Its not an opinion to say that the OWPvP is lacking. Its not an opinion to say that the combat has been done before.
Opinion would be "I think their battlegrounds are lame" not 'Their battlegrounds are very similar to WoW's and several other games out on the market'
I'm not throwing out all reviews (like Eurogamers, whose in my opinion is really low - then again, at the time they did it I don't disagree) but giving reviews about MMOs is tough because most time is spent at end game, whereas none or nearly none of the reviewers actually spent any time there. its misleading.Maybe I should have been more clear. Games are judged on several different factors, not just financial success or popularity. Tossing income or popularity out as the reason a game is good/bad is wrong.
Tossing income and player base out as an indicator that the developer is doing something right is perfectly valid. They are obviously doing something right.
Is this an opinion?
How about this?
Are there no opinions here?
Believe it or not, I get what you're saying. I've said some of the same things in other threads. The problem is that you're not providing anything other than your own opinion to back up anything you're saying. Especially not in this thread.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Can't remember if I was ever on official forums, however speaking from my PERSONAL experience .... Swtor along with Wow is best duo ever in gaming for me.
This is yesterday reply to one of the posts from Eric Musco. In my opinion SWTOR moderators are really lenient and allow a lot more than other game forums.
This thread gives me a good opportunity to pop in and just give everyone a reminder of a couple of forum rules. When I took over as Community Manager I lightened up the rules of the forums a bit. My goal was to allow a place where people could express their opinions, both good and bad. Sometimes while doing that we get a little bit "internet" about it and say things that get close to the line of breaking the rules. It was always our goal to allow you to get near that line now and again, as we all certainly get worked up. However it is when those actions are repeated and intentional that it can become a problem.
Today, as indicated by this thread, we have seen a rash amount of "post necroing," this tend to be around folks being negative in a way that is not constructive.
Although neither of these offenses by themselves will warrant your account to be actioned, please keep in mind that it is our goal for these forums to remain a safe place for discussion. If you are found to be repeatedly necroing posts, creating threads with little constructive feedback, or breaking any other minor forum rule, this can still lead to infractions on your account. Again, our goal is to be a safe place for discussion, both positive and negative, let's all just be a bit nicer to one another and act within the forum rules.
Thanks for your understanding.
-eric
Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E
Does anyone else think people go overboard with the negativity when they're leaving an MMO, moreso than anything else?
I wonder what the psychology behind it is. Why do MMO players seem to be more intent on spreading negativity than with other things? It's like, if I don't enjoy eating a certain food, I wouldn't go out of my way to tell everyone that food sucks and they shouldn't eat it, based only on my personal preference.
I do think that constructive criticism is a good thing, but I feel like the hate for some MMOs gets so crazy on the internet, it actually damages the game to a point where new players are discouraged from even giving it a chance, and the people playing are actually having their content updates negatively impacted as a result.
Maybe I'm off base here? Or maybe it's just the "misery loves company" thing, combined with MMOs being a larger time investment?
Curious if anyone has thoughts?