Objectively, subscriptions may not be worth it if you compare the value (assuming $12 monthly) to other entertainment. People like to compare subscription costs to movies...however, electronic visual entertainment is now much cheaper than a subscription fee: Netflix ($8), amazon prime ($7), huluplus ($8).
If comparing directly to videogames, I would say that steam provides a game with more content than an MMO patch at LEAST every month, if not every week (i.e. bought GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, and GTAIV for 14 bucks)
If comparing directly to other MMOs, then I agree that there are many more games out there that provide content for less, including GW2, especially since more of the biweekly content is now permanent. I personally like the fact that content lasts for about 4-6 weeks, so that may be my personal bias. There are also quality games like Rift, TERA, TSW, etc. that do not justify a subscription anymore.
On the otherhand, subjective intrinsic value may be found in FFXIV. At one end, there may be those who find great value in the game, seeing it remniscent of the Final Fantasy genre and their youth. There are also those who may outright prefer the artistic direction of FFXIV. Still others may find that the community is worth the subscription. There are many other variables than the price.
SO, if you are asking if $15 a month justifies the entertainment content per/hour for a digital product, then I would have to say no. However, many people find intrinsic value in the game's community, gameplay, art style, nostalgic provocations, or direction that may be worth it to them.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
I have played and am still playing since closed beta and to me the 13 Euro i pay is well worth it . To not have to put up with the junk you get with FTP mmos i will allways go for a sub game.
BTW i do belive there is a cheaper option of 7 EURO per month where you get only one char per server and up to 8 char in total but one is all you need is one char. I only pay the 13 because i want to suport them for giveing me a game i really enjoy.
For 9.99 Euro for the game and 7 Euro a month that would be close to 6 or 7 months of play for the price of GW2 box price. So if you want to compare the value of that game just ask yourself how many people played GW2 for 6 months when they had to pay for 6 months just to be able to play at all.
I have played and am still playing since closed beta and to me the 13 Euro i pay is well worth it . To not have to put up with the junk you get with FTP mmos i will allways go for a sub game.
BTW i do belive there is a cheaper option of 7 EURO per month where you get only one char per server and up to 8 char in total but one is all you need is one char. I only pay the 13 because i want to suport them for giveing me a game i really enjoy.
For 9.99 Euro for the game and 7 Euro a month that would be close to 6 or 7 months of play for the price of GW2 box price. So if you want to compare the value of that game just ask yourself how many people played GW2 for 6 months when they had to pay for 6 months just to be able to play at all.
That's assuming that people will play both GW2 and FFXIV for 6 months. Also comparing the box price of GW2 to a sale/cheap price of ARR (would be better if you compared both sale prices). And you don't mention value over a period greater than 6 months for both.
However, I'm glad you are enjoying ARR. I'm waiting for it to come to PS4 to try it.
Glad to see Square turning a corner.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
As ALWAYS op,it does not and should never depend on the sub fee or not,it should depend on the quality of game and if it what you are looking for.
GW2 nor LOTRO do not come even close to this game for overall quality,but that does not mean it is YOUR game.If you are seriously interested in a game,then do the homework,TONS of videos and articles to read on FFXIV.Nobody can tell you weather you will like a game or not,you have to make that decision yourself.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
As ALWAYS op,it does not and should never depend on the sub fee or not,it should depend on the quality of game and if it what you are looking for.
GW2 nor LOTRO do not come even close to this game for overall quality,but that does not mean it is YOUR game.If you are seriously interested in a game,then do the homework,TONS of videos and articles to read on FFXIV.Nobody can tell you weather you will like a game or not,you have to make that decision yourself.
i do like the game. You missed the point. I've tried it for the 30 days from box sale. Also i paid 9 USD for it. I got a FFXIV 1.0 key on ebay. It was an great deal, very worth it.
The question is about the subscription worth... but it seems Square enix is on the right track. Mixed opinions around here about the worth of the game, but the majority seems to at least enjoyed their time while playing. Thats count for something.
Good analysis, i agree with you. There are lots of other alternatives for cheap gamming and even free gamming. Thats why i feel the subscription have to be justified by the company actions and by the game quality.
With $12,99 a month you can get some great humble bundle deals and some steam sales, games that could give you 10h+ of gameplay each.
But as you said as well, its a Final Fantasy product. Its a huge franchise with a powerful name, with distinct look and feel as well. Maybe this is the major value for its subscription.
You bought the game cheap...... you played it for 30 days free..... you experienced a large portion of the game. Yoshi and many fan sites have more than enough information about the state of the game and what is intended for the future. I would say you have plenty of information to make a rational decision on "is the game worth the cost". I am sure most people blow $15 or more away EACH DAY just on snack foods and other stuff.
Me I prefer to support a game through subscription. Most "F2P" games, if you do the math, cost more per item/service than if you just subscribe to a game. In many cases you can spend almost $100.00 a month for the same things you get with a $14.99 subscription.
I have played FFXIV since beta and though I am disappointed with some of the direction of the game, it is a solid game that is worth a subscription, hands down.
If you love Final Fantasy as an IP it's worth it. Otherwise, I think it's a very average game aside from crafting which is very close to being totally pointless (from a PVE perspective) anyways. I'll probably play this month and then let my sub lapse until the next big update.
I've only played the 30 days for free, but I would certainly sub to this if I had more time. I think any good game is worth a sub $15 a month is nothing for a good game that keeps your attention. Think of it this way. If you're using all your spare time playing this for a month you won't be paying other games to consume that time. saving a lot more money by paying the $15.
It's nice as a nostalgia thing, i.e. how MMOs used to be, it's very old school in a way with it's own little quirks...if that's worth a 30 day sub is up to you...
What's your goal? I'm trying to get feedback from ffxiv players. I'm not here to discuss nothing else. You haven't answered my question yet. If you want to talk about ffxiv and the worth of its subscription I'll talk, your other points are useless to me. I don't care to discuss about them.
Please, don't change the subject of this thread, go make your drama somewhere else.
I'm not making drama. I also answered your question right in my first response, second paragraph. You stated that you didn't find the game worth paying a sub, and I basically said, in not as few words, "Fair enough. You didn't find it worth a sub. Others do. It's not a big deal". If you didn't find the game worth the sub for you, then it's not worth a sub for you. So, in fact, I did answer your question.
As for the WoW thing. Look, you chose to use that game as an example to establish the basis of your post. I was responding to what your misuse of it as an example. If it was relevant enough for you to cite as an example to establish your question/post, then it's relevant enough for me to address it as such. You can't have it both ways.
If you don't want to be called out on factually wrong assertions in the future, then I advise choosing your words and examples more carefully and avoid making them.
Originally posted by H.Coelho Originally posted by evilastroI don't understand why people ask subjective questions and look for a universal answer. Whether the game is worth the sub is up for you to decide. The game seems to be doing well, so it is worth the sub to those people. If enough people stop subscribing, then the game will move to F2P (despite their claims that they wont) or close, and you can then safely assume that the consensus was that it wasn't worth a subscription fee.
I'm not looking for universal answer, mate. I want the subjective opinion from the players. I'm not interested in the general consensus or if the game will die or thrive. I just wanted to read about individuals opinions and feels about the game they are playing or the game they stoped playing. yeah but...why?
Objectively, subscriptions may not be worth it if you compare the value (assuming $12 monthly) to other entertainment. People like to compare subscription costs to movies...however, electronic visual entertainment is now much cheaper than a subscription fee: Netflix ($8), amazon prime ($7), huluplus ($8).
If movie theaters went away and those options were all we had, you may have an argument for lower sub fees, but not no sub fees.
However, movie theaters still exist, they still charge the same range of fees, and people still go to them. Hence, they're still a relevant comparison in the context they're used as one.
The point of using movies as a comparison, is that people go to movie theaters, and pay the equivalent of a sub fee, or more, to see a single movie. The point is that people will readily spend easily the equivalent of a monthly sub fee for ~2 hours of entertainment, and not even second-guess it.
If comparing directly to videogames, I would say that steam provides a game with more content than an MMO patch at LEAST every month, if not every week (i.e. bought GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, and GTAIV for 14 bucks).
Steam only delivers the content created by other developers (of course unless it's a Valve game; then they're creating and delivering it). So, it's not a universal thing. Your experience is going to depend on what games you're playing through there. Not every game does regular updates. Some will do an update only occasionally. Some don't do any at all.
If comparing directly to other MMOs, then I agree that there are many more games out there that provide content for less, including GW2, especially since more of the biweekly content is now permanent. I personally like the fact that content lasts for about 4-6 weeks, so that may be my personal bias. There are also quality games like Rift, TERA, TSW, etc. that do not justify a subscription anymore.
A common argument that misses/ignores an important point, which is...
Are any of those any other MMOs out there something you'd want to play, F2P, B2P or otherwise? If not, then it doesn't really matter what they charge, or don't charge. If the game doesn't interest you, it doesn't interest you. Something is only competing for your time/money if it's something you'd be interested in spending either on in the first place. I'm currently subbed to Eve Online, which I find to be well worth the sub fee, because I'm enjoying myself playing it.
The fact that GW2 has no sub fee means nothing to me, it's not a "distraction" or competition of any kind, because I have no interest in checking it out. LoTRO is a game I bought at retail and subbed to for a while and enjoyed for most of it. Yet, it being F2P means nothing to me because I have absolutely no desire to play it, and haven't for a long time.
Incidentally, when I play other MMOs like TERA or TSW.. I will still do their monthly sub plan because I prefer to pay the flat fee and not have to deal with the restrictions of playing on a free account. So, for all intents and purposes, I am still paying a sub fee... they just don't call it that.
On the otherhand, subjective intrinsic value may be found in FFXIV. At one end, there may be those who find great value in the game, seeing it remniscent of the Final Fantasy genre and their youth. There are also those who may outright prefer the artistic direction of FFXIV. Still others may find that the community is worth the subscription. There are many other variables than the price.
Good point, and I think that's the case more often than not. It's "the whole experience" being valued.
Originally posted by evilastroI don't understand why people ask subjective questions and look for a universal answer. Whether the game is worth the sub is up for you to decide. The game seems to be doing well, so it is worth the sub to those people. If enough people stop subscribing, then the game will move to F2P (despite their claims that they wont) or close, and you can then safely assume that the consensus was that it wasn't worth a subscription fee.
I'm not looking for universal answer, mate. I want the subjective opinion from the players. I'm not interested in the general consensus or if the game will die or thrive. I just wanted to read about individuals opinions and feels about the game they are playing or the game they stoped playing.
What's your goal? I'm trying to get feedback from ffxiv players. I'm not here to discuss nothing else. You haven't answered my question yet. If you want to talk about ffxiv and the worth of its subscription I'll talk, your other points are useless to me. I don't care to discuss about them.
Please, don't change the subject of this thread, go make your drama somewhere else.
I'm not making drama. I also answered your question right in my first response, second paragraph. You stated that you didn't find the game worth paying a sub, and I basically said, in not as few words, "Fair enough. You didn't find it worth a sub. Others do. It's not a big deal". If you didn't find the game worth the sub for you, then it's not worth a sub for you. So, in fact, I did answer your question.
As for the WoW thing. Look, you chose to use that game as an example to establish the basis of your post. I was responding to what your misuse of it as an example. If it was relevant enough for you to cite as an example to establish your question/post, then it's relevant enough for me to address it as such. You can't have it both ways.
If you don't want to be called out on factually wrong assertions in the future, then I advise choosing your words and examples more carefully and avoid making them.
I used as an example and i think my example is true. If you don't agree, fine. Go read about wow sub numbers in the past years and think about it.
I don't have to proove every example i make, you have the right to disagree or proove me wrong. I don't care, my goal here is not to discuss about those topics. How long will take for you to get that ?
Originally posted by H.Coelho Originally posted by TangentPointOriginally posted by H.Coelho
What's your goal? I'm trying to get feedback from ffxiv players. I'm not here to discuss nothing else. You haven't answered my question yet. If you want to talk about ffxiv and the worth of its subscription I'll talk, your other points are useless to me. I don't care to discuss about them. Please, don't change the subject of this thread, go make your drama somewhere else. I'm not making drama. I also answered your question right in my first response, second paragraph. You stated that you didn't find the game worth paying a sub, and I basically said, in not as few words, "Fair enough. You didn't find it worth a sub. Others do. It's not a big deal". If you didn't find the game worth the sub for you, then it's not worth a sub for you. So, in fact, I did answer your question. As for the WoW thing. Look, you chose to use that game as an example to establish the basis of your post. I was responding to what your misuse of it as an example. If it was relevant enough for you to cite as an example to establish your question/post, then it's relevant enough for me to address it as such. You can't have it both ways. If you don't want to be called out on factually wrong assertions in the future, then I advise choosing your words and examples more carefully and avoid making them.I used as an example and i think my example is true. If you don't agree, fine. Go read about wow sub numbers in the past years and think about it.
I don't have to proove every example i make, you have the right to disagree or proove me wrong. I don't care, my goal here is not to discuss about those topics. How long will it take for you to get that ?
I think basically you laid the foundation for your argument about justifying a sub by citing that WoW is having a hard time. The tangent said, "Well, actually WoW is still doing way better than everything still, so your point doesn't really make sense". Then you basically said, "I'm not talking about WoW!"... but you kind of are since you used it as crux of your entire point.
Perhaps in the future, if you want to talk about a specific game and ONLY that specific game, dont mention other games in your original post. Otherwise, this scenario will most likely happen.
What's your goal? I'm trying to get feedback from ffxiv players. I'm not here to discuss nothing else. You haven't answered my question yet. If you want to talk about ffxiv and the worth of its subscription I'll talk, your other points are useless to me. I don't care to discuss about them. Please, don't change the subject of this thread, go make your drama somewhere else.
I'm not making drama. I also answered your question right in my first response, second paragraph. You stated that you didn't find the game worth paying a sub, and I basically said, in not as few words, "Fair enough. You didn't find it worth a sub. Others do. It's not a big deal". If you didn't find the game worth the sub for you, then it's not worth a sub for you. So, in fact, I did answer your question. As for the WoW thing. Look, you chose to use that game as an example to establish the basis of your post. I was responding to what your misuse of it as an example. If it was relevant enough for you to cite as an example to establish your question/post, then it's relevant enough for me to address it as such. You can't have it both ways. If you don't want to be called out on factually wrong assertions in the future, then I advise choosing your words and examples more carefully and avoid making them.
I used as an example and i think my example is true. If you don't agree, fine. Go read about wow sub numbers in the past years and think about it.
I don't have to proove every example i make, you have the right to disagree or proove me wrong. I don't care, my goal here is not to discuss about those topics. How long will it take for you to get that ?
I think basically you laid the foundation for your argument about justifying a sub by citing that WoW is having a hard time. The tangent said, "Well, actually WoW is still doing way better than everything still, so your point doesn't really make sense". Then you basically said, "I'm not talking about WoW!"... but you kind of are since you used it as crux of your entire point.
Perhaps in the future, if you want to talk about a specific game and ONLY that specific game, dont mention other games in your original post. Otherwise, this scenario will most likely happen.
These threads are pure troll bait and utterly pointless. Hey guize is this game worth a sub?!?!
Can you afford it? Do you have an accountant? Can you find the time to play it? Do you have a significant other? Do you have a kid to factor in? Hold old is that child? Does your boss think you'll have the free time? Any major work commitments coming up? When you're sick can you still play games? Do you have any symptoms that may indicate that you're about to get sick? Do you like this type of game? Are there other games you play that may get in the way of playing this? Do you have any major social events coming up? Any interesting MMOs on the horizon? How about single player games? Are you getting enough exercise? Any cool stuff on TV? Do you have a DVR to record that cool stuff? Do you watch sports? Do you play sports? Do you share your computer with anyone else and might that keep you from playing?
ONLY YOU KNOW IF THIS GAME IS WORTH THE SUB TO YOU!
Maybe. I got the game for PS3 through a PSN Store holiday sale, digital collector's edition for $15. I see a lot of hate for this game on the forums here, but I'm certainly having fun. Yeah, it isn't anything that blows my mind; the story's fairly predictable, the gameplay isn't anything incredibly innovative, but it's reasonably good.
Maybe it's the novelty of playing it on a console? I don't know. I haven't committed to a subscription yet, but I'm leaning towards it eventually at the moment. I'm enjoying the game a lot more than some of the comments would have led me to believe.
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Objectively, subscriptions may not be worth it if you compare the value (assuming $12 monthly) to other entertainment. People like to compare subscription costs to movies...however, electronic visual entertainment is now much cheaper than a subscription fee: Netflix ($8), amazon prime ($7), huluplus ($8).
If comparing directly to videogames, I would say that steam provides a game with more content than an MMO patch at LEAST every month, if not every week (i.e. bought GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, and GTAIV for 14 bucks)
If comparing directly to other MMOs, then I agree that there are many more games out there that provide content for less, including GW2, especially since more of the biweekly content is now permanent. I personally like the fact that content lasts for about 4-6 weeks, so that may be my personal bias. There are also quality games like Rift, TERA, TSW, etc. that do not justify a subscription anymore.
On the otherhand, subjective intrinsic value may be found in FFXIV. At one end, there may be those who find great value in the game, seeing it remniscent of the Final Fantasy genre and their youth. There are also those who may outright prefer the artistic direction of FFXIV. Still others may find that the community is worth the subscription. There are many other variables than the price.
SO, if you are asking if $15 a month justifies the entertainment content per/hour for a digital product, then I would have to say no. However, many people find intrinsic value in the game's community, gameplay, art style, nostalgic provocations, or direction that may be worth it to them.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
I have played and am still playing since closed beta and to me the 13 Euro i pay is well worth it . To not have to put up with the junk you get with FTP mmos i will allways go for a sub game.
BTW i do belive there is a cheaper option of 7 EURO per month where you get only one char per server and up to 8 char in total but one is all you need is one char. I only pay the 13 because i want to suport them for giveing me a game i really enjoy.
For 9.99 Euro for the game and 7 Euro a month that would be close to 6 or 7 months of play for the price of GW2 box price. So if you want to compare the value of that game just ask yourself how many people played GW2 for 6 months when they had to pay for 6 months just to be able to play at all.
That's assuming that people will play both GW2 and FFXIV for 6 months. Also comparing the box price of GW2 to a sale/cheap price of ARR (would be better if you compared both sale prices). And you don't mention value over a period greater than 6 months for both.
However, I'm glad you are enjoying ARR. I'm waiting for it to come to PS4 to try it.
Glad to see Square turning a corner.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
As ALWAYS op,it does not and should never depend on the sub fee or not,it should depend on the quality of game and if it what you are looking for.
GW2 nor LOTRO do not come even close to this game for overall quality,but that does not mean it is YOUR game.If you are seriously interested in a game,then do the homework,TONS of videos and articles to read on FFXIV.Nobody can tell you weather you will like a game or not,you have to make that decision yourself.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
i do like the game. You missed the point. I've tried it for the 30 days from box sale. Also i paid 9 USD for it. I got a FFXIV 1.0 key on ebay. It was an great deal, very worth it.
The question is about the subscription worth... but it seems Square enix is on the right track. Mixed opinions around here about the worth of the game, but the majority seems to at least enjoyed their time while playing. Thats count for something.
@Vorch
Good analysis, i agree with you. There are lots of other alternatives for cheap gamming and even free gamming. Thats why i feel the subscription have to be justified by the company actions and by the game quality.
With $12,99 a month you can get some great humble bundle deals and some steam sales, games that could give you 10h+ of gameplay each.
But as you said as well, its a Final Fantasy product. Its a huge franchise with a powerful name, with distinct look and feel as well. Maybe this is the major value for its subscription.
You bought the game cheap...... you played it for 30 days free..... you experienced a large portion of the game. Yoshi and many fan sites have more than enough information about the state of the game and what is intended for the future. I would say you have plenty of information to make a rational decision on "is the game worth the cost". I am sure most people blow $15 or more away EACH DAY just on snack foods and other stuff.
Me I prefer to support a game through subscription. Most "F2P" games, if you do the math, cost more per item/service than if you just subscribe to a game. In many cases you can spend almost $100.00 a month for the same things you get with a $14.99 subscription.
I have played FFXIV since beta and though I am disappointed with some of the direction of the game, it is a solid game that is worth a subscription, hands down.
It's nice as a nostalgia thing, i.e. how MMOs used to be, it's very old school in a way with it's own little quirks...if that's worth a 30 day sub is up to you...
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
I'm not making drama. I also answered your question right in my first response, second paragraph. You stated that you didn't find the game worth paying a sub, and I basically said, in not as few words, "Fair enough. You didn't find it worth a sub. Others do. It's not a big deal". If you didn't find the game worth the sub for you, then it's not worth a sub for you. So, in fact, I did answer your question.
As for the WoW thing. Look, you chose to use that game as an example to establish the basis of your post. I was responding to what your misuse of it as an example. If it was relevant enough for you to cite as an example to establish your question/post, then it's relevant enough for me to address it as such. You can't have it both ways.
If you don't want to be called out on factually wrong assertions in the future, then I advise choosing your words and examples more carefully and avoid making them.
yeah but...why?
to read people opinion and discuss about it.
I used as an example and i think my example is true. If you don't agree, fine. Go read about wow sub numbers in the past years and think about it.
I don't have to proove every example i make, you have the right to disagree or proove me wrong. I don't care, my goal here is not to discuss about those topics. How long will take for you to get that ?
I'm not making drama. I also answered your question right in my first response, second paragraph. You stated that you didn't find the game worth paying a sub, and I basically said, in not as few words, "Fair enough. You didn't find it worth a sub. Others do. It's not a big deal". If you didn't find the game worth the sub for you, then it's not worth a sub for you. So, in fact, I did answer your question. As for the WoW thing. Look, you chose to use that game as an example to establish the basis of your post. I was responding to what your misuse of it as an example. If it was relevant enough for you to cite as an example to establish your question/post, then it's relevant enough for me to address it as such. You can't have it both ways. If you don't want to be called out on factually wrong assertions in the future, then I advise choosing your words and examples more carefully and avoid making them.
I used as an example and i think my example is true. If you don't agree, fine. Go read about wow sub numbers in the past years and think about it.
I don't have to proove every example i make, you have the right to disagree or proove me wrong. I don't care, my goal here is not to discuss about those topics. How long will it take for you to get that ?
I think basically you laid the foundation for your argument about justifying a sub by citing that WoW is having a hard time. The tangent said, "Well, actually WoW is still doing way better than everything still, so your point doesn't really make sense". Then you basically said, "I'm not talking about WoW!"... but you kind of are since you used it as crux of your entire point.
Perhaps in the future, if you want to talk about a specific game and ONLY that specific game, dont mention other games in your original post. Otherwise, this scenario will most likely happen.
Thanks for the consulting.
These threads are pure troll bait and utterly pointless. Hey guize is this game worth a sub?!?!
Can you afford it? Do you have an accountant? Can you find the time to play it? Do you have a significant other? Do you have a kid to factor in? Hold old is that child? Does your boss think you'll have the free time? Any major work commitments coming up? When you're sick can you still play games? Do you have any symptoms that may indicate that you're about to get sick? Do you like this type of game? Are there other games you play that may get in the way of playing this? Do you have any major social events coming up? Any interesting MMOs on the horizon? How about single player games? Are you getting enough exercise? Any cool stuff on TV? Do you have a DVR to record that cool stuff? Do you watch sports? Do you play sports? Do you share your computer with anyone else and might that keep you from playing?
ONLY YOU KNOW IF THIS GAME IS WORTH THE SUB TO YOU!
Maybe. I got the game for PS3 through a PSN Store holiday sale, digital collector's edition for $15. I see a lot of hate for this game on the forums here, but I'm certainly having fun. Yeah, it isn't anything that blows my mind; the story's fairly predictable, the gameplay isn't anything incredibly innovative, but it's reasonably good.
Maybe it's the novelty of playing it on a console? I don't know. I haven't committed to a subscription yet, but I'm leaning towards it eventually at the moment. I'm enjoying the game a lot more than some of the comments would have led me to believe.