Yes, a conspiracy. This game is so important it requires a conspiracy to derail it.
And the marbles have officially been lost.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Companies do resort to paid internet trolling and of course you have shills. Just google any of those terms and you'll find plenty of evidence this sort of practice is common. The thing is subtle paid trolling is hard to prove. Usual giveaways are newly created accounts and OPs that post and don't bother responding in the thread after the first post. These aren't 100% giveaways but they greatly increase the probability that the post was paid trolling.
However without paid trolls the lack of hype surrounding ESO can attributed due garden varity lack of interest.
Most Conspiracy theories don't pass Occam's Razor,the biggest reason being the number of people needed to be involved in such a conspiracy is too large for the conspiracy to remain secret and thus survive let alone succeed.
Our minds are large pattern recognition machines that are so good at their jobs we see patterns where there are none at times.
Of course the great thing about Conspiracy Theories is that any argument or proof against them is part of the conspiracy.
1 - People do get payed to trash games, it's a fact but it does not represent the full extent of the situation.
2 -Every single mmorpg released in my time of following them has been bashed before release to a greater or lesser or equal degree to what Elder Scrolls Online is getting right now, no execeptions!
3- The game may not be very good. Reports coming out of games like TOR, WAR and Aion etc etc before release claiming these games where not as good as expected where not just posted by shills/trolls. There where quiet a lot from concerned gamers trying to warn people and lower the hype or just vent their disappointment.
4 - A games quality to an extent is in the eye of the beholder. People still enjoy playing Rappelz for example?.....I don't understand why myself. Normally the more negative elements will come online to complain about it. Happy gamers just play.
To sum up - Conspiracy = Doubt it. Standard behavior before release = Definatley.
I never played DAOC to judge it as good or bad. Apparently Elder Scrolls is being made by the same people and resembles it in a lot of ways. This begs the question of why they didn't just make DAOC 2 instead of using Elder Scrolls as the name for the game. People would be expecting a different game then. Right now people are expecting and Elder Scrolls game that can be played with other people. In fact it is DAOC 2 with an Elder Scrolls skin. This is only good for people who like DAOC. From what I've seen/heard I won't like it and probably wouldn't have liked the original DAOC.
Bashing really only works in a binary, like politics. Agent Of WoW bad mouths TESO, people didn't play TESO but also didn't play WoW. It would be a waste.
More likely, Agent of <game> , talks up their game and badmouths anyone who dares bad mouth their game (ie tell truth about game) and bribe the whores that call them selves industry journalists. We all have seen this happen many times.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I think I'm going to need some help figuring out how many conspiracies I've joined in the last month.
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Originally posted by sunandshadow Personally I think that simply playing Skyrim created player anticipation for what an Elder Scrolls mmo could be like, that the actual ESO isn't trying to be. This discrepancy alone can account for most negative reaction to descriptions of what ESO is going to be like. It's just not going to be Skyrim online or Skyrim 2 or anything particularly close to that.
Well yeah, if any franchise you'd think could pull off a AAA sandbox MMO and drag in general gamers, you'd think it would be Elder Scrolls so it's kind of a wasted opportunity from my perspective.
But still, a lot of stuff from Skyrim flat out would not work in an MMO so even if they made it a sandbox chances are a lot of the "Skyrim Online" crowd will never be satisfied with any MMO.
Some parts of ESO seem interesting to me so I see no point in hating it just because they didn't make the game I want though. I'll be happy to hate it when and if the game gives me actual reason to.
Originally posted by Flyte27 Apparently Elder Scrolls is being made by the same people and resembles it in a lot of ways. This begs the question of why they didn't just make DAOC 2 instead of using Elder Scrolls as the name for the game. People would be expecting a different game then. Right now people are expecting and Elder Scrolls game that can be played with other people. In fact it is DAOC 2 with an Elder Scrolls skin. This is only good for people who like DAOC. From what I've seen/heard I won't like it and probably wouldn't have liked the original DAOC.
This.
If they had just made DaoC 2 instead of using a popular IP to make a sequel, I doubt 1/10th the people would care enough to even comment on it. But everyone knows DaoC and its ilk wasn't popular enough nor would generate enough interest so instead the are going to take something loved by many and milk as much money on it as they can off the IPs fans that don't bother to read up on what they are buying.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Originally posted by donpopuki Originally posted by KyleranOriginally posted by bcbullyyou would be a fool not to believe that other companies pay shills to bash games. To much money involved not to.
Please point me to these companies, I've been trying to get on "bashing" payroll for years, but no takers yet.Does it happen? Sure. Is it the reason why this game is drawing flack? Not likely, I'll go with some of the other theories people have mentioned here.Here I found something for you.
Originally posted by bcbullyyou would be a fool not to believe that other companies pay shills to bash games. To much money involved not to.
Please point me to these companies, I've been trying to get on "bashing" payroll for years, but no takers yet.Does it happen? Sure. Is it the reason why this game is drawing flack? Not likely, I'll go with some of the other theories people have mentioned here.
Originally posted by bcbullyyou would be a fool not to believe that other companies pay shills to bash games. To much money involved not to.
Please point me to these companies, I've been trying to get on "bashing" payroll for years, but no takers yet.Does it happen? Sure. Is it the reason why this game is drawing flack? Not likely, I'll go with some of the other theories people have mentioned here.
Not sure why companies would need to pay people. As there is this weird phenomenon where people do it for free.
The flip side is true also, people being paid to post in FAVOR of a game to hype it and no need for companies to do it because fanboys do it for free.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
if you can find me a job doing either of these things, promoting or attacking online, please pm me. i need the extra work. hell i'll even do both for opposing companies.
seriously though, everyone i know that is disgruntled about this game are upset over the same things. we all wanted Oblivion/Skyrim online. we didn't want simply a graphical experience layered on top of what is a modification of what every other mmo does. many of us would have settled for, even paid for, an official multiplayer/co-op dlc or xpac.
"There are at least two kinds of games. One could be called finite, the other infinite. A finite game is played for the purpose of winning, an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play." Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
Originally posted by bcbullyyou would be a fool not to believe that other companies pay shills to bash games. To much money involved not to.
Please point me to these companies, I've been trying to get on "bashing" payroll for years, but no takers yet.Does it happen? Sure. Is it the reason why this game is drawing flack? Not likely, I'll go with some of the other theories people have mentioned here.
You know Samsung was sued because they hired pofessional writer to bash other company's product.
But that dont' mean there isn't many many people that don't like TESO.
If you are big you get target. There will be many people saying their opinion, just like they bashing wow or microsoft.
But one interesting thing about all that is what apple said. ( I googled it :P )
Former Apple executive Jean-Louis Gassee recently warned Apple may be losing the war on words:
“Besides its ads, Apple says very little, confident numbers will do the talking,” he wrote on his Monday Note blog a month ago. “This no longer works as others have seized the opportunity to drive the narrative.”
We all like to think we always make up our own minds but what we see and read, does have a big impact. Paying to have another companies product bashed is pretty despicable, but it works. People read reviews and are often influenced by them. Whenever I'm on the fence about a game I like to read what people say about it. I've bought many games because people said it was good. I have no idea if that person was a shill or not.
if you can find me a job doing either of these things, promoting or attacking online, please pm me. i need the extra work. hell i'll even do both for opposing companies.
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It's so wrong that these posts are cracking me up. I know it's wrong but I can't help but imagine the interview process.
And what would you say about our competitor's game?
The truth, of course, it made me lose my job, my spouse, and my dog got ran over after installing it - coincidence, I think not. Did I mention it was a sub. Clear money grab.
ha!
"There are at least two kinds of games. One could be called finite, the other infinite. A finite game is played for the purpose of winning, an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play." Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
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Yes, a conspiracy. This game is so important it requires a conspiracy to derail it.
And the marbles have officially been lost.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
However without paid trolls the lack of hype surrounding ESO can attributed due garden varity lack of interest.
Most Conspiracy theories don't pass Occam's Razor,the biggest reason being the number of people needed to be involved in such a conspiracy is too large for the conspiracy to remain secret and thus survive let alone succeed.
Our minds are large pattern recognition machines that are so good at their jobs we see patterns where there are none at times.
Of course the great thing about Conspiracy Theories is that any argument or proof against them is part of the conspiracy.
I have a few thoughts on this subject.
1 - People do get payed to trash games, it's a fact but it does not represent the full extent of the situation.
2 -Every single mmorpg released in my time of following them has been bashed before release to a greater or lesser or equal degree to what Elder Scrolls Online is getting right now, no execeptions!
3- The game may not be very good. Reports coming out of games like TOR, WAR and Aion etc etc before release claiming these games where not as good as expected where not just posted by shills/trolls. There where quiet a lot from concerned gamers trying to warn people and lower the hype or just vent their disappointment.
4 - A games quality to an extent is in the eye of the beholder. People still enjoy playing Rappelz for example?.....I don't understand why myself. Normally the more negative elements will come online to complain about it. Happy gamers just play.
To sum up - Conspiracy = Doubt it. Standard behavior before release = Definatley.
Bashing really only works in a binary, like politics. Agent Of WoW bad mouths TESO, people didn't play TESO but also didn't play WoW. It would be a waste.
More likely, Agent of <game> , talks up their game and badmouths anyone who dares bad mouth their game (ie tell truth about game) and bribe the whores that call them selves industry journalists. We all have seen this happen many times.
Please point me to these companies, I've been trying to get on "bashing" payroll for years, but no takers yet.
Does it happen? Sure. Is it the reason why this game is drawing flack? Not likely, I'll go with some of the other theories people have mentioned here.
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Well yeah, if any franchise you'd think could pull off a AAA sandbox MMO and drag in general gamers, you'd think it would be Elder Scrolls so it's kind of a wasted opportunity from my perspective.
But still, a lot of stuff from Skyrim flat out would not work in an MMO so even if they made it a sandbox chances are a lot of the "Skyrim Online" crowd will never be satisfied with any MMO.
Some parts of ESO seem interesting to me so I see no point in hating it just because they didn't make the game I want though. I'll be happy to hate it when and if the game gives me actual reason to.
Here I found something for you.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+to+make+money+posting
This.
If they had just made DaoC 2 instead of using a popular IP to make a sequel, I doubt 1/10th the people would care enough to even comment on it. But everyone knows DaoC and its ilk wasn't popular enough nor would generate enough interest so instead the are going to take something loved by many and milk as much money on it as they can off the IPs fans that don't bother to read up on what they are buying.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Here I found something for you.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+to+make+money+posting
Not sure why companies would need to pay people. As there is this weird phenomenon where people do it for free.
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
You know Samsung was sued because they hired pofessional writer to bash other company's product.
But that dont' mean there isn't many many people that don't like TESO.
If you are big you get target. There will be many people saying their opinion, just like they bashing wow or microsoft.
And yet there it is.
The flip side is true also, people being paid to post in FAVOR of a game to hype it and no need for companies to do it because fanboys do it for free.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
if you can find me a job doing either of these things, promoting or attacking online, please pm me. i need the extra work. hell i'll even do both for opposing companies.
seriously though, everyone i know that is disgruntled about this game are upset over the same things. we all wanted Oblivion/Skyrim online. we didn't want simply a graphical experience layered on top of what is a modification of what every other mmo does. many of us would have settled for, even paid for, an official multiplayer/co-op dlc or xpac.
"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
Or you can give one group of people what another group wants and has been begging for, then watch em go at it.
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But one interesting thing about all that is what apple said. ( I googled it :P )
Former Apple executive Jean-Louis Gassee recently warned Apple may be losing the war on words:
“Besides its ads, Apple says very little, confident numbers will do the talking,” he wrote on his Monday Note blog a month ago. “This no longer works as others have seized the opportunity to drive the narrative.”
We all like to think we always make up our own minds but what we see and read, does have a big impact. Paying to have another companies product bashed is pretty despicable, but it works. People read reviews and are often influenced by them. Whenever I'm on the fence about a game I like to read what people say about it. I've bought many games because people said it was good. I have no idea if that person was a shill or not.
ha!
"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
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