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Is GW2 the summation of all that is wrong with mmo's?
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Again I am glad you enjoy it.
They care very much whether people play the living story, which is why they are moving away from it and towards larger patches/ expansion. (This is how wages, bills and dividends are paid).
I dislike much of what you listed above but different strokes for different folks- pointless rehashing my initial post in response.
GW2 is what it is. That means, for me, it's the best b2p filler mmo on the market. I'm playing it now and having fun. I've certainly got my box price worth out of it. I don't have any mmorpg to play right now. Of course, there are a lot, but none that would be a long term game for me. So GW2 fits the bill till "The Next Great Game" comes out this year, whatever that is.
I also duck into SWTOR from time to time, but it's in a similar category for me. I jump in for some quick pvp now and then. But it doesn't have action combat, so I still tend to spend more time in GW2. Rift could be a similar type of thing for pvp. Sometimes binge on Defiance or PS2.
Basically, I'm looking for a game to be a long-term game (I hope it's ESO). Till then, I'm glad GW2 is around. It's not the love of my life, but it's nice to have FWOS.
Like Warhammers public quest, I think dynamic events are a step in the right direction and can be improved upon immensley.
Also liked the down leveling mechanic and IMO should be in all MMO's. Also liked how best gear was craftable.
It was a very average MMO IMO.
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I gather that you are a WoW player. So was I. I played ALOT of WoW. I been playing WoW since Vanilla - not to brag or anything I was mostly casual. I didn't raid Naxx but I remember wiping alot on BRD - that kind of thing.
Its hard for WoW players to wrap their head around GW2. initially I was disappointed and barely played it but eventually my g/f kept playing it and I started to get into it again. I discovered I had really understimated it. The thing about GW2 is that its really a modern MMO. Its not designed to be this all encompassing life changing MMO. Its an MMO for guys who don't really love MMOs. Whereas WoW was the game for people who have alot of time to spend on an MMO.
Not since 2007 but many mmo's since.
Get ready for a shocker: there are people out there that think WoW is a crappy game and do not like it one bit, and applaud developers not trying to copy the WoW template.
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Rather, the more the game is hated, the more popular it is. Simply because more people know about the game. Not necessary better though.
In a better wording, GW2 innovates ways to be a different MMO, but not necessary a better MMO. That is why GW2 is still popular as it appeals to a bigger gaming audience.
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No matter how much you or i dislike the game fact is that a lot of people are still playing it and ANET is making profit and going forward with development. If it was really as bad as you say then it would have crashed and burned a long time ago.
I too didn't last long in GW2 but that doesn't mean GW2 is summation of all that is wrong with MMOS. You are exaggerating .
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I think it had just about everything I'm not looking for in an mmo.
Fast travel made the world seem instanced.
Non trinity classes made everything feel like a zerg.
The weapon leveling thing sounded really cool but once actually playing I thought " oh that's it ? I thought that would take longer "
The story was meh. I never really cared about what was going on. Nothing about it made me want to see what came next. It was just another quest.
The hearts system I found wasn't group friendly. Because my kills didn't count for group members we would often enter an area and just split up and kill what we needed. It ended up being more of a race to see who could finish first rather than a group experience at all.
The popularity of the game shows there are people who want very different things than I do, but for me it was one of the worst mmos I played last year.
Funny seeing it is one of my best MMO's ever played. Only negative for me was the lack of dungeon finder before I lost interest and found another game.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
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Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
1.Amateurish story - true,personal story was quite bad at least the asura one. It started well then went downhill after the death of a certain character. I tried sylvari but gave up fast, too cliché. Most mmos have awful story, I find even wow lore to be bad, unoriginal and a rehash of the "noble savage" ideas. Maybe The secret world or SWTOR have better stories but those games have a lot more problems than GW2 in my opinion.
2.Rectangular areas - yes,zone design is bad and even worse are the loading screens. Problem is that only recent mmo which I played and didn't have loading screens was TERA so sadly GW2 is nothing new here. I still remember warhammer world which had one of the worst designed maps,AOC where you could see great vistas in the distance but you could not get close to them,etc.For good mmo worlds you have to go back to older ones. At least GW2 developers tried to make a complete world,colorful(unlike warhammer and the dark grey world - because serious mmorpgs don't need color), big enough and with a different starting area for every race unlike Rift.
3.Trivial quests - I would have preferred a classic quest system with some dynamic events but this aside, trivial in what way ? Not very interesting written - I can agree with that. But if you are a fan of mob grinding complaining about quests as an alternative - no,thanks. Mob grinding as a main xp source is mostly gone and thankfully (even if some "old school gamers" still have dreams otherwise) will never return in an AAA mmo.
4.Puzzles - at least GW2 has something different compared to other mmos and only kill,kill,kill mindset.
5.Classes - not a fan of lack of trinity too but I quite enjoy my engineer and just started a necromancer which looks fun enough too. At least in GW2 is still possible to die while questing compared to other mmos which nerfed the leveling experience a little too much so players are pushed to max level to be bored by usual raid grind.
6.Fast travel - no argument here, I dislike fast travel unless it takes plays in the game world by gryphon (wow,eq2),horse (lotr) etc and it is not instant.
7.Living story - again, story is not good. But it's not really different than the way Rift added content which was so praised on forums. By content they meant a different skin invasion and some lore as bad as GW2 (yes,I know they also added some new land and quest but unlike GW2, Rift started with a really small world and even now still have 1 leveling path for each faction)
So no, GW2 is not that bad, I would say is much better than other hyped mmos like SWTOR or Rift. Maybe what upsets so many people is that they can't grind for weeks to get some epic armor and one shot people in pvp and then brag on forums about their "pvp skills" ? Or play the dictator...sorry, guild leader in a raid guild ? Because there are much worse AAA mmorpgs out there than GW2, with smaller world,bad lore, instant travel,limited classes, slow and boring combat.
GW2 is almost the antithesis of everything I like, almost a total opposite in most areas.
My tastes are not representative of the greater market, so I can't say what they created is wrong, just not the sort of game for me.
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How can GW2 be the summation of all that is wrong with mmo's if it is actually quite different from most of them?
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I would still say WoW is the summation of all that is wrong with mmo's, but GW2 may be a close runner up.
Without naming all those even more terrible made and executed clones of those two games.
All I know is that I really looked forward to the game and then I could barely muster the strength to level to the cap. For whatever reason I could not develop an attachment to either the world or my character. The lore didn't grab me, the gameplay didn't grab me. I was not immersed and I did not feel like spending time in the game.
It just wasn't fun, at all.
As much as I despise how ArenaNet bait and switched the entire player base and show continuous examples of oblivious decision making I wouldn't say GW2 represents all that is wrong with MMOs. There are too many things that are good about it to put it in that category.
I understand this is the internet and people will make their point by exaggerating at cartoonish levels.
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I would say RIFT and SWTOR are better examples of all that is wrong with MMOs. These games basically had a contest to see how many WoW features they could copy. Everything from the solo friendly open world, quest hub hopping, fast travel, instances dungeons, dungeon finders, instanced PvP, raid finders, easy respecs, and then raid more instances at end game. This formula IS what is wrong with MMOs. It is stale and no mmo veterans really want to put up with it any more.
The problem is really rooted in open world design. At some point developers of all big budget MMOs decided that dangerous open worlds were passe and replaced them with candyland style playgrounds with zero danger. All the danger was locked up in instances. Where are the rampaging giants and cyclopses? Where are the mobs that would chase for miles if you got agro? Where is the danger and the exploration? Lineage II had the best open world in this respect. It was huge, completely seamless, had hard mobs mixed in with solo ones. Or what about enemies that would retreat and call for reinforcements? Never see that in a modern MMO but Lineage 2 had all this in 2003. Then there was the PvP on top of that. Or better yet look at SWG and see how they did open world. There were player made cities and camps, non instanced housing, and dynamically created world that changed over time.
Open world's like in SWTOR actually make their game worse. It has gotten to the point I would rather play a good dungeon crawler that is more group focused than solo in an open world with no dangers and no exploration.