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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    So one is limited by cooldown and duration, the other is limited by a resource that will drain out.

     

    So what if your horse eats grass and mine eats gas, they are both horses huh? NO THEY ARE NOT image omg ty for the laugh. I hope you get a chance to try it. When you do, please pm me and say "I UNDERSTAND!"

    I've seen your knight video.

    Somehow it is quite close to this  .

    Warrior raise its shield and block the attacks.

    Shame you didn't link to game footage.

    About as close as a horse is to a car. Bed time Gia... Like I said, not being an ass, but you couldn't be more off if you tried. I've done all I could with example, videos, and explanations. Have a good night.

  • TorgrimTorgrim Member CommonPosts: 2,088
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    So one is limited by cooldown and duration, the other is limited by a resource that will drain out.

     

    So what if your horse eats grass and mine eats gas, they are both horses huh? NO THEY ARE NOT image omg ty for the laugh. I hope you get a chance to try it. When you do, please pm me and say "I UNDERSTAND!"

    I've seen your knight video.

    Somehow it is quite close to this  .

    Warrior raise its shield and block the attacks.

    Shame you didn't link to game footage.

     

    GW2 has skills that you have to use to be able to block while in ESO you just press RMB hold it in until your endurance runs out, more points in endurance longer you can active block.

    GW2 blocks are skilled tied and are on cooldowns so that means GW2 dont have active block ESO does.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,066
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

    I've seen your knight video.

    Somehow it is quite close to this  .

    Warrior raise its shield and block the attacks.

    Shame you didn't link to game footage.

    About as close as a horse is to a car. Bed time Gia... Like I said, not being an ass, but you couldn't be more off if you tried. I've done all I could with example, videos, and explanations. Have a good night.

    First it is Gaia.

    Otherwise I'll start calling you Billie.

    Second your examples for ESO and Age of Wushu blocking are a Medieval event and the movie Troy.

    Yes, mate, we get that Movies aren't the same as video games.

    But we were talking about video game mechanics.

    Currently playing: GW2
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  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,066
    Originally posted by Torgrim
     

    GW2 has skills that you have to use to be able to block while in ESO you just press RMB hold it in until your endurance runs out, more points in endurance longer you can active block.

    GW2 blocks are skilled tied and are on cooldowns so that means GW2 dont have active block ESO does.

    So you saying GW2 blocks are passive?

    Last time I checked they require an active action by the user. Not only that timing is essential for it to catch anything useful.

    Of course active blocks are only one aspect of GW2 active defense - dodges is another.

     

    I don't see where is the difficulty in understanding what active and passive in the context of games mean.

    Autoattack is a passive attack, while other attacks require an action by the player and so are active.

    Dodging and blocking in WoW are passive, generated by the stats and game formulas.

    In GW2 dodging and blocking are active since they need to be activated by the player.

     

    ESO focus loads of its combat in blocking. Fine. That doesn't mean it is the only active blocking.

    Currently playing: GW2
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  • oubersoubers Member UncommonPosts: 855
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by fantasyfreak112
    I was actually very surprised how grindy this game was since it basically prided itself on being the opposite.

    It wasn't when it launched. Peak power was extremely easy to get. Then people started to get bored and wanted new content to - believe or not - grind so that they would have something to do.

    In comes the concept of Ascended Gear and out goes the concept of a non-grindy game.

    That's basically it. ANet buckled under the content locust whiners.

     

    amen bro, it is idd all you content locusts that are the whiners...always!.

    I play about 1 hour a day, very casual.......have been since launch and still enjoying the game, if i am sick of doing events i go roaming the world for mats or go do a dungeon.

    I have about 6 chars.....3 x lvl 80, 1x lvl 74, 1xlvl 69, and my new alt lvl 16 and still i am having funn, there is no better mmo out there imho (at this time).

    If i realy have enough of GW2 for a while there is also stil Skyrim (bit dissappointed in this title tbh) and TL2.

    I think most of the "young" gamers just play too much......go outside once in a while you know.

    maybe i am getting old.......NAH :p hehe

     

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Originally posted by oubers
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by fantasyfreak112
    I was actually very surprised how grindy this game was since it basically prided itself on being the opposite.

    It wasn't when it launched. Peak power was extremely easy to get. Then people started to get bored and wanted new content to - believe or not - grind so that they would have something to do.

    In comes the concept of Ascended Gear and out goes the concept of a non-grindy game.

    That's basically it. ANet buckled under the content locust whiners.

     

    maybe i am getting old.......NAH :p hehe

     

    Nope, you're just making sweeping generalizations based on random internet person logic.

    "As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*" 

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134
    Originally posted by oubers
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by fantasyfreak112
    I was actually very surprised how grindy this game was since it basically prided itself on being the opposite.

    It wasn't when it launched. Peak power was extremely easy to get. Then people started to get bored and wanted new content to - believe or not - grind so that they would have something to do.

    In comes the concept of Ascended Gear and out goes the concept of a non-grindy game.

    That's basically it. ANet buckled under the content locust whiners.

     

    amen bro, it is idd all you content locusts that are the whiners...always!.

    I play about 1 hour a day, very casual.......have been since launch and still enjoying the game, if i am sick of doing events i go roaming the world for mats or go do a dungeon.

    I have about 6 chars.....3 x lvl 80, 1x lvl 74, 1xlvl 69, and my new alt lvl 16 and still i am having funn, there is no better mmo out there imho (at this time).

    If i realy have enough of GW2 for a while there is also stil Skyrim (bit dissappointed in this title tbh) and TL2.

    I think most of the "young" gamers just play too much......go outside once in a while you know.

    maybe i am getting old.......NAH :p hehe

     

    okay, lets remove all the locusts from the game

    whos left? 5 PVPers, and 7 raiders

    lets see how long the game can last , with that kind of money

    without the locusts, there wouldnt BE a game

  • oubersoubers Member UncommonPosts: 855
    Originally posted by ButeoRegalis

    P2W? Who exactly are you winning/losing against? Zhaitan? Scarlet? Bubbles?

    Grindy? Yea, maybe, but when does running around for a few hours gathering mats turn from "playing the game" to "grind"? Your call, I guess.

    And, yes, I'm very sorry you have to put in a few hours to get better gear. They should really give them to you when you buy the box.

    awnage post.....so true.

     

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  • dadante666dadante666 Member UncommonPosts: 402

    ill say is kinda grind in sertain point depend  what you want (like all mmo games) grind mob ,grond quest ETC.

    now P2W=no

    P2 look better or (cosmetic) yes,if something dosnt give you advantage is not p2w simple as that.

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  • oubersoubers Member UncommonPosts: 855
    Originally posted by simplius
    Originally posted by oubers
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by fantasyfreak112
    I was actually very surprised how grindy this game was since it basically prided itself on being the opposite.

    It wasn't when it launched. Peak power was extremely easy to get. Then people started to get bored and wanted new content to - believe or not - grind so that they would have something to do.

    In comes the concept of Ascended Gear and out goes the concept of a non-grindy game.

    That's basically it. ANet buckled under the content locust whiners.

     

    amen bro, it is idd all you content locusts that are the whiners...always!.

    I play about 1 hour a day, very casual.......have been since launch and still enjoying the game, if i am sick of doing events i go roaming the world for mats or go do a dungeon.

    I have about 6 chars.....3 x lvl 80, 1x lvl 74, 1xlvl 69, and my new alt lvl 16 and still i am having funn, there is no better mmo out there imho (at this time).

    If i realy have enough of GW2 for a while there is also stil Skyrim (bit dissappointed in this title tbh) and TL2.

    I think most of the "young" gamers just play too much......go outside once in a while you know.

    maybe i am getting old.......NAH :p hehe

     

    okay, lets remove all the locusts from the game

    whos left? 5 PVPers, and 7 raiders

    lets see how long the game can last , with that kind of money

    without the locusts, there wouldnt BE a game

    lolz you are getting it wrong m8, its the roleplayers, pvp'rs, raiders and explorers that KEEP a game alive.....the locusts do the content within a month and then bitch about it for a fiew weeks B4 they leave for the new hyped gaming content to consume.

    Every game its the same.....no matter how many years the devs took to develope the content, these guys run trough it without even reading the quests.....its just klik accept button and follow the radar symbol.

    Yeah people like that are the real community.....lolz.

     

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  • ViadricViadric Member Posts: 151
    Thinking about coming back to this game tomorrow to try out the new boss that's coming out. 
  • catlanacatlana Member Posts: 1,677
    Originally posted by dadante666

    ill say is kinda grind in sertain point depend  what you want (like all mmo games) grind mob ,grond quest ETC.

    now P2W=no

    P2 look better or (cosmetic) yes,if something dosnt give you advantage is not p2w simple as that.

    Ascended gear is a grind, but not a particularly bad grind in comparison to other games. Having the best looking armor in the gem shop is annoying but definitely does not count as pay to win. 

    I am a little tired of Scarlet thou. I am ready for them to kill her off. However, if Trahearne steps in and takes credit again, I will break my keyboard. 

  • SendenSenden Member UncommonPosts: 602
    Originally posted by OldManFunk
    Originally posted by Nasa
    Do you mean you loose if you have only exotic weapon and armor?

    Haha!

     

    Yes, you lose about 5% and/or weeks of grinding.

     

    BIS stands for best in slot. The best gear is incredibly grindy to obtain in-game but is for sale for real money.

     

    Good luck equipping alts!

    Please someone tell me this isn't true? You can't actually buy the best gear in the game with real money can you? By my definition that is exactly what people mean with the term pay 2 win. With the increasing popularity of f2p games, I always wondered how they managed to earn enough money to keep a steady stream of new content coming and would always remember that GW2 managed it. If you really can buy the best gear for real money then whatever faith I had in f2p/b2p working will have pretty much vanished.

  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134
    Originally posted by oubers
    Originally posted by simplius
    Originally posted by oubers
    Originally posted by tom_gore
    Originally posted by fantasyfreak112
    I was actually very surprised how grindy this game was since it basically prided itself on being the opposite.

    It wasn't when it launched. Peak power was extremely easy to get. Then people started to get bored and wanted new content to - believe or not - grind so that they would have something to do.

    In comes the concept of Ascended Gear and out goes the concept of a non-grindy game.

    That's basically it. ANet buckled under the content locust whiners.

     

    amen bro, it is idd all you content locusts that are the whiners...always!.

    I play about 1 hour a day, very casual.......have been since launch and still enjoying the game, if i am sick of doing events i go roaming the world for mats or go do a dungeon.

    I have about 6 chars.....3 x lvl 80, 1x lvl 74, 1xlvl 69, and my new alt lvl 16 and still i am having funn, there is no better mmo out there imho (at this time).

    If i realy have enough of GW2 for a while there is also stil Skyrim (bit dissappointed in this title tbh) and TL2.

    I think most of the "young" gamers just play too much......go outside once in a while you know.

    maybe i am getting old.......NAH :p hehe

     

    okay, lets remove all the locusts from the game

    whos left? 5 PVPers, and 7 raiders

    lets see how long the game can last , with that kind of money

    without the locusts, there wouldnt BE a game

    lolz you are getting it wrong m8, its the roleplayers, pvp'rs, raiders and explorers that KEEP a game alive.....the locusts do the content within a month and then bitch about it for a fiew weeks B4 they leave for the new hyped gaming content to consume.

    Every game its the same.....no matter how many years the devs took to develope the content, these guys run trough it without even reading the quests.....its just klik accept button and follow the radar symbol.

    Yeah people like that are the real community.....lolz.

     i agree

    but Again..without the locusts, the devs wouldnt MAKE a game, or at least make it a really cheap one

    investors wont wait for 5 years, without any returns

    would you?

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,066
    Originally posted by Senden
     

    Please someone tell me this isn't true? You can't actually buy the best gear in the game with real money can you? By my definition that is exactly what people mean with the term pay 2 win. With the increasing popularity of f2p games, I always wondered how they managed to earn enough money to keep a steady stream of new content coming and would always remember that GW2 managed it. If you really can buy the best gear for real money then whatever faith I had in f2p/b2p working will have pretty much vanished.

    Short answer:No.

    Long answer.

    What you can do is buy gems that can be converted into in game money.

    You can buy legendary weapons from other players via the Trading Post but they cost something like $750 worth of gem purchases (3000 in game gold) for the more popular weapons (stuff like underwater weapons and torches sell for like a third). Someone had to make the legendary weapon though (the less attractive legendary weapons are still made because they need precursors and that is a random drop).

    Ascended armor and ascended weapons can't be sold in the Trading post, but some of the materials required are, so I guess you can finance part of it with real world money (but again someone had to make those ascended materials).

    And Gems<-----> Gold exchange is determined by gem purchases with real money and gem purchases with in game money.

    Making a Legendary weapon or converting in game money into gems is a good protection against in game inflation.

    Currently playing: GW2
    Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders

  • SandvichSandvich Member Posts: 39
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
    So one is limited by cooldown and duration, the other is limited by a resource that will drain out.

     

    So what if your horse eats grass and mine eats gas, they are both horses huh? NO THEY ARE NOT image omg ty for the laugh. I hope you get a chance to try it. When you do, please pm me and say "I UNDERSTAND!"

    I've seen your knight video.

    Somehow it is quite close to this  .

    Warrior raise its shield and block the attacks.

    Shame you didn't link to game footage.

     

    GW2 has skills that you have to use to be able to block while in ESO you just press RMB hold it in until your endurance runs out, more points in endurance longer you can active block.

    GW2 blocks are skilled tied and are on cooldowns so that means GW2 dont have active block ESO does.

    So what you're saying is that ESO has an actual block command as opposed to using skills that block as in GW2. OK, whatever, two different combat systems should have things that are different. I know on my mesmer when using a scepter I have a block skill that will block an attack, teleport me to a different spot around the enemy and leave a clone near where I was when the attack was blocked and personally I find that a bit more engaging than simply blocking while a bar winds down, but not everyone will agree. 

     

    I'd think an active block as described would be a drag on combat, slowing it down quite a bit as opposed to the active skill based combat in GW2 where mitigation is more than hitting the block button.

  • laokokolaokoko Member UncommonPosts: 2,004

    I'm not bothered with legendary.  Because that's purely cosmetic.

    Ascended gear does take some effort though.  I'm not bothered by it that much since the stats difference isn't that large. 

    wvw player probably take the most hit, since pvp players are usually more competitive so they want balance play.  Pve is easy enough you dno't really need ascended gear.

  • ButtskiButtski Member UncommonPosts: 187

    people pretending that gw2 would be p2win can't be helped.

    i have 3 professions on 500, have all my needed weapons and 2 parts of my armor ascended.

    making money is easy in this game. ofc you need a bit of brains, but well... not everyone seems blessed with one.

    btw: i play gw2 casualy (and 95% pvp in this time)

  • SilentstormSilentstorm Member UncommonPosts: 1,126

    Op is making a post that is almost all incorrect. For one Ascended Weapons/Armor is not grindy. In fact you can get almost all of it in a months time. I made guides on that and how exactly easy it is. Legendary weapons on the other hand like it's name isn't easy.

    And I don't expect it to be either. All I'm saying is do a little bit more research on things before you call the whole game grindy. Only time sink in GW2 is the Legendary system. Everything else can be done really fast if you know how.

  • coventryhagdogcoventryhagdog Member Posts: 85

    It didn't used to be at ALL.

     

    Then they got incredibly greedy after seeing how Blizz made out like bandits.

     

    Blizz killed the RM AH, not for the players, but legal fees, because they were sued to hell and back and it made no sense to keep it ongoing.

     

    GW2 does it, albeit much more covertly. Let's see how long it lasts... if not indefinitely.

     

    It's a big shame though, because the base game is incredible.

     

     

  • RizelStarRizelStar Member UncommonPosts: 2,773
    Originally posted by OldManFunk

    Hello.

     

    I'm a fan of the prerelease GW2, the one that Colin Johanson told us so much about, the game that never came to be.

     

    I believed Colin when he said he wanted to make a game that wasn't grindy.

     

    I believed Colin when he said he wanted to make a game that wasn't pay to win.

     

    It was a lie. GW2 is grindy. GW2 is pay to win.

     

    Legendary Weapons are BIS. Ascended armor and accessories are BIS. Legendary and Ascended have ridiculous material lists and are time gated... unless you buy the required mats from the TP.

     

    How might one go about obtaining gold to purchase said implements of end-game destruction you might ask? Well hero, one easy way is to purchase gems with real money and then convert them to gold. (Hence forth known as PAY TO WIN.)

     

    We were told that the gear in GW2 would be fluff, cosmetic, without power creep. We were lied to.

     

    I am sorry that I spoke out for this game and its developers. I am sorry that I may have misled people by repeating the lies I was told. I promised that if I were wrong I'd return and say as much and here I am. I was wrong. Gw2 is in fact grindy and pay to win.

    I can't name not one MMORPG that doesn't have any grindy elements in it and doubt I will ever be able to ever after my life is over.

     

    I can't help someone who puts their mind in a state to where they don't understand nor want know what P2W truthfully is...I simply can't and shall never try, I may throw some common sense here and there hoping someone who doesn't have too much pride or a desire to understand why GW2 is not P2W.

    Your entitled to your opinion, but please if your that upset give an good opinion, I mean if your going to give a pathetic yet at least a very subjective opinion at least say "GW2 is not an MMORPG it's an MMOAFG."

    Join that crowd, I mean yes you'd still be the people who just believe that any MMORPG they don't like because it is not for them is simply not an MMORPG but it's much better than the crowd that shits out GW2 is p2w. 

    I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

    I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

    P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

    Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  • aesperusaesperus Member UncommonPosts: 5,135
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    People were complaining about the lack of gear progression at "end game" and that exotics were too easy to get.

    ANet gives them something to look forward to, ascended gear.

    The same people now complain that ascended gear is too hard to get, too grindy.

    Conclusion: with some people, you just can't win, and the best thing to do for developers is to ignore them.

    QFT

  • TorgrimTorgrim Member CommonPosts: 2,088
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    People were complaining about the lack of gear progression at "end game" and that exotics were too easy to get.

    ANet gives them something to look forward to, ascended gear.

    The same people now complain that ascended gear is too hard to get, too grindy.

    Conclusion: with some people, you just can't win, and the best thing to do for developers is to ignore them.

     

    You can make the perfect MMO with every thing you can imagine are in that MMO, still there are people who will complain.

    It's just the way it is.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • MikePaladinMikePaladin Member UncommonPosts: 592

    Full  ascended armor is 400~ 500 gold   5 % buff to stats   weapon 5 % buff      when I pvp  in WVW or I kill  2  in a 1 vs 2  fight or I get  wipeed in 2 hits by a thief.  Game has class balance issues but not gear. Plus ascended is gear for people who run Fractals lvl 50 and plan lvl 50 +  in PVP it have 0 impact

    For example weapon skills has 0.8 or 1  dmg from 1 power   ascended weapon gives 5 more power  from all set this will be 20 30 + dmg  witch is a joke. Full berserk ELEM can wipe u in a lucky combo of 5 k then 5 k  and 10 k   with daggers in it's about few sec crazy dmg same about full berserk exotic Thief.  

    Gear has 0 impact on pvp you wont become better if you don't have SKILL witch I think is you're issue other wise i see no reason you QQ about ascended gear here.

    Also there is a reason why Ascended gear drop in Fractals because you can pun in them Agony DMG resist with is very important at lvl 50 especially.

     

    [mod edit]

  • Gaia_HunterGaia_Hunter Member UncommonPosts: 3,066
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    People were complaining about the lack of gear progression at "end game" and that exotics were too easy to get.

    ANet gives them something to look forward to, ascended gear.

    The same people now complain that ascended gear is too hard to get, too grindy.

    Conclusion: with some people, you just can't win, and the best thing to do for developers is to ignore them.

    I didn't like the ascended gear introduction since in my opinion the game requires no grind for stats and playing to obtain cosmetic improvements is all it needs.

    But I have to say that ascended weapons and ascended armor had a nice impact in crafting, making low tier materials actually worth something by using them to obtain ascended.

    Hopefully Anet also allows trinkets to be craft by jewelry (there is already a spot for Xunlai Electrum Ingot).

    So, even if one doesn't want to grind fro ascended gear, one can make decent profits by selling either the common materials and/pr ascended materials.

    Currently playing: GW2
    Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders

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