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Gadareth · February 2014

Strange we must be reading different reviews from what I have seen y far the majority of professional reviews have stated that they like what they see are a bit concerned about the payment plan and overall costs in the current market but on the whole say time will tell.

Several state that it doesnt run quite like a mmo or skyrim but more like a hybrid of the two but again they have enjoyed what they have seen.

THe payment plan queries a lot of them make show their own opinion on the F2P and P2P payment plans and what they feel is best going forwards this by far is usually stated as a OPINION and not a fact.

So to be honest as far as I can see the majority of professional reviews show a mixed reaction mainly on the positive end with some concerns.

Latronus · February 2014

Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Telondariel
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by Elikal
As it is 80% of the press reviews are more negative, the common tone almost everyone is generic, boring, bland. It certainly did NOT help ESO to lift the press NDA.

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If you don't understand or see what the problems are then I have no words to express my sympathy for your many years of playing mediocre games. I can count off hand at least a dozen MMO's I think were better games and many of those I played for less then a month. I'm not saying it's a horrible game and is full of problems but it certainly isn't going to earn many awards and garner unparalleled reviews.

You see people can enjoy something and yet still find truth in some of the negative. I to this date find Neverwinter one of the funnest and most engaging MMO's of all time. For what it does and the content available I find it immensely enjoyable and I still play on occasion but I do see merit in all the negative it's garnered but it doesn't take away from belief that it does something for me regardless of its negatives.

I guess with sentiments like yours it proves Game Studios can churn out what ever and have it gobbled up by the masses.

"Neverwinter one of the funnest and most engaging MMOs of all time." Well I wouldn't go that far myself but then that's why we are all different. Life would be very boring if we all liked the same stuff now wouldn't it.

As far as the topic goes:

The thing that kills me is that people expect every new game to be bug free (impossible for Windows based games and if anyone thinks otherwise they are delusional and have no clue about the subject), it should have as much content at launch as games such as EQ/EQ2/WoW even though they have been out for years, or both and include every dumbed down, intellect killing, thought suppressing option that game X had or it is an "Epic Failure!" The game will be what it will be. No more, no less. People will love it or hate it and should make up their own minds from personal experience and if they rely on the reviews of others, then they are nothing more than lemmings following the leader off a cliff to their own death as it should be.

Jerek_ · February 2014

Originally posted by Navek
Originally posted by Alders
Anyone who has any interest in the game should already have a beta key and can make up their own minds at this point. There's really no need for an NDA anymore.

This is very true, anyone who wanted to try it before buying could have gotten a key for this weekends Bets with very little trouble, relying on others opinions is just lazy and stupid.

True, I got a beta key and I don't even remember signing up for one. It is helpful to get a feel for the game, see character creation and graphics and all that, but it doesn't show me what I really need to form an opinion. Swtor's release is still fresh in my mind as the last triple A game I preordered, so the only thing I really need to know is what is the endgame like? What massive content is there?

Developers could get me much more excited about buying their game if they made the beta weekend an endgame experience, give everyone a maxed out character and point us to the multiplayer stuff. Another trip through newbie island, especially since I know I just have to repeat it if I buy the game, will hold my attention for about 10 minutes. Its clear that's true for reviewers too- all the reviews calling it bland and generic could have been avoided by just using these events to show us something really engaging.. assuming they have content that is I guess.

Belgaraath · February 2014

To the OP.

1) I'm not sure where you are getting the majority of anything ideas from. Like someone else wrote, the concerns are mostly about the payment model and the two identities, but many are still having fun regardless.

2) There is a thread here that is you read through all the pages, I was surprised that even on a site like this whose has more than the average sandbox slant compared to the buying public, that there was quite a healthy amount (majority I believe) of responses that stated they are either going to still preorder, or just wait a month or two before deciding.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/404761/Whos-buying-after-trying-out-the-beta-.html

3) Why must you create a duplicate thread from another you just posted 4 days ago cleverly changed the title of your thread with basically the exact same premise and will get the same discussion in both of them? Is that really healthy for these forums? Will we see another one for the same exact premise every 4 days?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/404690/It-is-TIME-that-the-NDA-drops-Zenimax.html

JJ82 · February 2014

Originally posted by rnor6084
Stop believing what the media tells you. 100% of it.

Check things out for yourself.

Sorry to break it to you but most of the "media" says the game is good. All of the vbloggers, most of the fan sites say its bad to generic.

So, you are right. Don't listen to the media, listen to the players that have checked it out themselves.

lol.

Belgaraath · February 2014

Originally posted by JJ82
Originally posted by rnor6084
Stop believing what the media tells you. 100% of it.

Check things out for yourself.

Sorry to break it to you but most of the "media" says the game is good. All of the vbloggers, most of the fan sites say its bad to generic.

So, you are right. Don't listen to the media, listen to the players that have checked it out themselves.

lol.

Not that I don't think what you wrote is generic BS, but I remember very clearly during the WOW beta a similar feeling.

Bloodaxes · February 2014

To be honest this is the first mmo I ever see where press give so much worrying reviews about the longevity of the game.

I was pretty surprised gamespot didn't praise it out of this world and claiming it's best game of the year as they usually rate everything high even when it doesn't deserve it.

Something is up and NDA is not helping.

DonVadim · February 2014

Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by Elikal
As it is 80% of the press reviews are more negative, the common tone almost everyone is generic, boring, bland. It certainly did NOT help ESO to lift the press NDA.

So either Zenimax is blelieving into their game, and if so the ONLY reasonable way is to lift the NDA entirely and hope the fans of ESO who experienced more than just the first levels make up for it. That is what Zenimax HAS to do, if they really believe in their own game. Let the fans speak.

OR they are damn sure the game will tank anyway, then they will keep the NDA as long as possible to minimize the money loss.

There are the only two option I can logically discern from their actions. Any further NDA keeping can only confirm they don't trust their own game and want to minimize the damage and money loss.

Your move, Zenimax.

You forgot a third option: They'll drop the NDA when they're good and ready, and on their own schedule, since they don't listen to anonymous message board posters when making their decisions.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but don't think much will change in mere 2 months, not to mention that people who are in beta say that the game runs "live release version 1.0.0"

Also I don't remember a single game that was protected by NDA for such a long time. I guess Zenimax knows their game is cashgrab shit so they try to maximize sales before going f2p.

bcbully · February 2014

Originally posted by Elikal
As it is 80% of the press reviews are more negative, the common tone almost everyone is generic, boring, bland. It certainly did NOT help ESO to lift the press NDA.

Your move, Zenimax.

If this is the case after rave press reviews of swtor, gw2, and ffar, this can only been seen as a positive.

JJ82 · February 2014

Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by JJ82
Sorry to break it to you but most of the "media" says the game is good. All of the vbloggers, most of the fan sites say its bad to generic.

So, you are right. Don't listen to the media, listen to the players that have checked it out themselves.

lol.

Not that I don't think what you wrote is generic BS, but I remember very clearly during the WOW beta a similar feeling.

Part of that is quite impossible as there were not a lot of Warcraft fansites, nor were there ANY vbloggers to say WoW was bad to generic.

BeansnBread · February 2014

Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Elikal
As it is 80% of the press reviews are more negative, the common tone almost everyone is generic, boring, bland. It certainly did NOT help ESO to lift the press NDA.

Your move, Zenimax.

If this is the case after rave press reviews of swtor, gw2, and ffar, this can only been seen as a positive.

What kind of crazy logic is this? If everyone praised previous games that weren't good, then obviously that means if they don't like this game, it will be great!

Or... perhaps it means that this one will be even worse than the ones they actually thought were good?

It's just crazy logic to try and justify your own opinion on the game.

Eighteen16 · February 2014

Originally posted by DonVadim

Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by Elikal
As it is 80% of the press reviews are more negative, the common tone almost everyone is generic, boring, bland. It certainly did NOT help ESO to lift the press NDA.

So either Zenimax is blelieving into their game, and if so the ONLY reasonable way is to lift the NDA entirely and hope the fans of ESO who experienced more than just the first levels make up for it. That is what Zenimax HAS to do, if they really believe in their own game. Let the fans speak.

OR they are damn sure the game will tank anyway, then they will keep the NDA as long as possible to minimize the money loss.

There are the only two option I can logically discern from their actions. Any further NDA keeping can only confirm they don't trust their own game and want to minimize the damage and money loss.

Your move, Zenimax.

You forgot a third option: They'll drop the NDA when they're good and ready, and on their own schedule, since they don't listen to anonymous message board posters when making their decisions.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but don't think much will change in mere 2 months, not to mention that people who are in beta say that the game runs "live release version 1.0.0"

Also I don't remember a single game that was protected by NDA for such a long time. I guess Zenimax knows their game is cashgrab shit so they try to maximize sales before going f2p.

FFXIVARR didn't completely drop NDA until the day the game released and no one seemed to care too much.

Vaross · February 2014

You already posted a thread about the NDA two days ago here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/404690/It-is-TIME-that-the-NDA-drops-Zenimax.html

Please use that thread to continue discussion instead of starting a new one.

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