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ESO Cash Shop? [edit]
ImperialSun
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With ESO having such a focus on AvA PvP endgame, how likely is it that the game goes P2W once the cash shop is introduced?
With PvE centric MMORPGs such as SWTOR, there are genuinely no P2W mechanics, despite the CM being such a revenue focus.
With ESO I am concerned that the 90% focus on PvP at endgame will mean their iteration of a cash shop becomes blatantly P2W. The devs have already broken promises and changed design philosophies with regard to alliance limitations etc, even been guilty of borderline bait and switch with the needless money grab to pay gate races.
Is it worth the financial and emotional investment if the game will end up a P2W sham fest inside a year?
Driz
[mod edit - Edited title to make it a bit clearer]
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Are you serious ?
Yeah, sure. Because a Game has a Shop , it's automatically P2W. *headdesk*
Slowly these P2W Threads get really boring *yawn*
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I hope so.
Even after hating the game, i still preordered due to the PvP. if it turns into a P2W thing ill cry a little. The possibility is there tho,... not THAT soon tho i hope, since Elder Scrolls has a huge fanbase that will buy and play the game regardless if it is good or not.
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
Im guessing he means when they change their minds about having a cash shop, they may at some point add things he considers pay to win.
Cool. do you have a source for that statment?
I don't recall ever seeing a dev say that there are no plans for a cash shop?
IMO it's always been part of the roadmap and nobody has ever stated its not, in an official capacity, at least not as far as I am aware....regardless, the debacle about paygating an entire race when they publicly stated they would never do such a thing kind of invalidates any statement they do make concerning cash shops not being added to the game.
Fool me once and all that.....
Driz
Exactly...
Driz
Absolutely.
I love the ES series and have played all of them up to this point. I am on the fence with regard to ESO however....
It's not exactly the cheapest MMORPG around with high retail box price, potential CE charge on top of that, plus a monthly sub.....if the game goes P2W in a few months I would then be looking at even more expense just to compete.
Making an emotional investment in ESO could prove to be quite expensive, especially when I will potentially be spending some time playing WS and other games too this year
Driz
Glad you agree with me, which means you admit ESO is NOT pay to win .
You are using a very missleading title.
If they will walk the path of f2p i think they will do it like GW2 it was a fair system imo.
But i am sure this game dont need f2p, cause the PvP is so much fun even better as in GW2 (and i like it much).
For roamers and small scale fights it is perfect.
For what i have seen i gladly pay 13 € a month, in f2p game you need to pay more to be as fast in progression as others or if you want to have a fair fight.
lol...you are being misleading when using the phrase "he considers pay to win".
When I say P2W I mean the definition that 99% of people subscribe to, that being any item, ability, consumable and/or other mechanic that provides a tangible advantage, over and above the purely cosmetic in return the real world money.
So no, the title is not misleading at all....
Driz
Did I say your definition of p2w is different then anyone elses? No.
On the other hand your missleading title implies there may already be p2w in the game. Now.. since the game does not have an item store at all... either your title is misleading, or you have a very interesting definition for p2w.
But I think I already wasted enough time with your trolling.
But you did try to muddy the waters of my intention by inferring that I am talking about my own quasi definition of what constitutes P2W rather than "actual" P2W, hence you said "they may at some point add things he *considers* pay to win."
Additionally, you see that ? in the thread title? That generally denotes a question. In this scenario read it as "Will ESO become P2W?" or "Is ESO P2W?" or even "Will ESO become P2W when a cash shop is added?"....whatever gets you through the day.
Interesting that a request for the thoughts of others in order to try clarify the point of whether or not ESO may end up being P2W elicits such a defensive response from you personally...
But I do agree with you, if the limit of your contribution to this thread amounts to trying to undermine my definition of P2W and splittig hairs over the thread title....you are indeed wasting your time, my time and everyone elses time.
Driz
Can we stop these useless posts......
there will be no ingame cashshop at release...and neither is there one planned..
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
You can sit there for the next year and contemplate whether you should invest "financially and emotionally" in a game that *MAY* be P2W somewhere down the road.
Or you can have all the fun you can before that happens, if it does happen. And move on simply when it does.
No one has the answer for you, because that's down the road. I know people are quoting developers as saying there won't be cash shops, but I agree with you that they've gone back on a few decisions before and there's always the off chance they do introduce a cash shop.
But I'm not gonna sit here and contemplate. I already pre-ordered a CE because I thoroughly enjoyed the beta. I'm gonna be having fun until it's no longer fun - just like with any other game.
ESO does not have a cash shop. It will not go F2P.
So we have one official source stating there WILL be a cash shop, then another official source stating there will be, but not as we know it....
With the clear contradiction amongst the offical representatives, plus the recent U turn from the time they said they would never use MTs and/or pay gate content....
I actually think that link makes it worse. Not even the official representatives can agree on whether a cash shop is incoming...I think we all know it is coming though.
Based on those misleading responses, plus Zeni dipping their toe in the water by pay gating the imperial race in order to assess the community reaction and therefore guage what sorts of items they will get away with charging for in the shop...
The direction seems pretty clear to me already
Driz
I truly hope you are right
As ESO is shaping up to be one of the most expensive MMORPGs out currently I would hate to invest in it for 6-12 months and then find a cash shop is implemented. The negative impact of the cash shop being added would be amplified in this type of MMORPG, than say a game like SWTOR or Rift because of it's focus on AvA and PvP endgame.
Would appreciate an official source for such an absolute claim though?
Driz
God im getting so bored with people who can't even wait till a game has launched with going all doom and gloom, maybe im just getting old but i think there is something to it when people call the youth these days for the ADD generation, zero attention span, the need of instant gratification and unable to appreciate things for what they are.
Its always about what might be a year from now.
Being as I am 36 with a job, wife, young family and a mortgage I am not sure how your generalised rant about the youth of today relates to me?
With the above in mind, plus the fact there are aroud half a dozen games I would llke to purchase this year, plus the fact I maintain two active MMORPG subs......I am simply trying to ascertain the possibilty that an already very expensive game (ESO) will become even more expensive within a few months.
If I have to start making cash shop payments just to retain a level PvP playing field on top of the purchase price and monthly sub, that will be a deal breaker for me. IF that is likely to happen (which seems increasingly likely) then I would simply rather avoid wasting 6 - 12 months of subs plus the purchase price and use that money for something else.
Not sure why me trying to to think this through in detail and maximise the value of my hard earnt pennies is so offensive to a small number of you? I usually detest labels like "White Knight" and "Fanboi" but some of you genuinely seem to interpret the simplest question or concern as an attack on the game....
Maybe with it's high price point, pay gated content and the possibility of a cash shop that could be far more intrusive and P2W than PvE centric games, this game is just not for me. Thats fine, we dont all have to enjoy the same games.
Would just rather not spend a few hundred pounds stirling to find out the worst is all
Driz
Assuming you like the gameplay and just care about the payment model...
if it doesn't go P2W in a few months, it's obviously worth it.
If it DOES go in a few months, then it's even MORE worth it to get all the play you can in those months before it does.
So yeah, definitely worth it either way if actually like the game.
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I think you're really overthinking it. Zenimax's focus and motivation is going to be to keep subscribers, the cash shop/microtrans will be a nice boost to their bottom line but since they are going full subscription they have to keep people committed to playing and paying. Someone who drops their sub because of perceived P2W is also not going to be in the cash shop any more, so they'll lose both sub and micro trans revenue.
If anything, their business model makes it less likely that they'll introduce game breaking items in the shop.
I am just curious whether the mount in Angry joe PVP video come from the collector edition?
Or did the players bought it with their own gold?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I82pz60iGL0
You can see the mount at around 2.28.
Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language