Originally posted by Dihoru 4. I will do whatever I see fit regardless of what some frustrated individual with too much power and too little... lets call it "thought filtering" yells at me. Btw this is not trashing, I will admit initially I was royally pissed off that AAS is that fucked up but now I am calm and just want that site to come back in line at least as far as moderator objectivity is concerned.
That ''individual'' has done more for the community than you ever will. His post may have been out place, but you are blowing this so much out of proportion, to the point of toxicity.
What kind of logical and mature being would judge a community based on a forum thread anyway.
Personally I think lot of the animosity is towards those people who come into the site and say it has got to be free to play.
Those who have played the game through to endgame in Korea and Japan are very much aware of the problems that arise when anybody can make 10, 20 or 50 alt accounts and use them to gain an advantage in the game - gold sellers do this all the time.
AA is a very fragile balance between PVE, PVP and crafting and all can be destroyed if not done right (see Korea). Many AAsource members have experienced this and naturally - out of love for the game - get upset when people who have never played the game come into the website and claim to know everything.
After the umpteenth time of trying to explain that this game is different from your run of the mill WOW, people get kinda frustrated (on both sides).
This is of course in addition to the continuing battle between the philosophies of FTP and P2P. Most folks on AASource generally prefer P2P (and from what I have seen here on this site also).
Just take it all with a pinch of salt. We will see what Trion does (latest rumour says it will be P2P), then we can start the flames - or not.
basically you got the die hard AA backers saying that everythign is legit its like WoW its deserving of a sub
What they arent seeing is that the game portrayed itself WAY BACK as being a nearly f2p no bars to hold you back game.
Now they are hoping you forgot all that still have all the hype you had oh so long ago and now dish out money for a sub.
Not good business
People spent THEIR time following this game (i am not one) through development watching this game on the premise on a F2P model they layed out. Either it was thier plan from the beginning to do this (have ppl invest time research and hype to force a sub to feed the player)
Originally posted by Dihoru 4. I will do whatever I see fit regardless of what some frustrated individual with too much power and too little... lets call it "thought filtering" yells at me. Btw this is not trashing, I will admit initially I was royally pissed off that AAS is that fucked up but now I am calm and just want that site to come back in line at least as far as moderator objectivity is concerned.
That ''individual'' has done more for the community than you ever will. His post may have been out place, but you are blowing this so much out of proportion, to the point of toxicity.
What kind of logical and mature being would judge a community based on a forum thread anyway.
Does driving away potential players with a toxic attitude count as helping the community? Seriously that is a major red flag and if he cannot adjust himself to his role within it then he should step down and have at it cause it ain't gonna work both ways (I've seen plenty of communities go down the shitter that way) .
As someone else pointed out the game is pretty complex and can get easily broken by the F2P system but the issue is the marketing for the game is F2P not freemium not unlimited trial so all those people clamoring for all features to be unlocked have the right to because what you get in the can isn't what you see on the label.
@OP...if you're that upset about it then stop playing. Go outside or read a book or something. You seem outrageously upset about something that it's making you the "toxic" one.
Originally posted by Preythan @OP...if you're that upset about it then stop playing. Go outside or read a book or something. You seem outrageously upset about something that it's making you the "toxic" one.
Uninstalled it the moment I verified that fact and but money down for Gloria Victis and as for going outside...starting sunday I will be taking care of a bachelor's student for a month on her scholarship at my uni making sure she hits the ground running and keeps going so... gonna stay in today to relax a bit educating those in positions of power that it is more often a curse than a gift.
Btw it is not outrageous to remark that someone with a moderator tag is flaming someone else, asking for that person to shape up for the good of the community is not either because as I said... things usually get worse if it is left to continue.
I find it completely fascinating that people are trashing a game that is at least a year away from NA release. The communities in Korea/Japan/Russia will of course be different from here.
Saying that the game sucks, the community sucks, and so forth is about as useful as last year's newspaper. If you must complain about something, go complain about your local politicians. I'm sure that you can find something real to complain about with them, rather than making things up here.
basically you got the die hard AA backers saying that everythign is legit its like WoW its deserving of a sub
What they arent seeing is that the game portrayed itself WAY BACK as being a nearly f2p no bars to hold you back game.
Now they are hoping you forgot all that still have all the hype you had oh so long ago and now dish out money for a sub.
Not good business
People spent THEIR time following this game (i am not one) through development watching this game on the premise on a F2P model they layed out. Either it was thier plan from the beginning to do this (have ppl invest time research and hype to force a sub to feed the player)
I guess some people don't understand time is money. time invested is something. if a player put fourth months of thought and workings into a game to folllow on the premise of a f2p model only to hear. "Yeah that wasn't the real model here it is here thank you for your investment of time and memory. hopefully we suckered you into sacrificing enough time over wondering about your game you will just slap money down without a second thought. p.s. no we didn't lie" lmao this is wrong if you don't think so don't start a business.
btw - f2p business models still make money they will still get loaded releasing the game as f2p or atleast not make it where it restricts a whole 1/4 of the experience of the sandbox theme.
I am sorry, I just cannot take some of the remarks here seriously.
AA is free to try. You can download the client, jump in and try things out. Yes, there are some things you cannot do and limits on what you can try. Pay a small amount (in Russia it is about $7) and the game opens up and you can do everything for 30 days. If you dont like the game after that - leave and find another game.
That is such a small amount of money for so much time (I believe the phrase time is money was used), I couldnt even go to the movies (for 2 hours pleasure) for that price.
So where is the problem?
Afterthought: nowhere has Trion said specifically what the payment model will be, so if you have planned everything using the wrong model, its not the fault of the developer.
You can please some MMO-players all of the time and you can please all MMO-players some of the time but you can't please all MMO-players all of the time.
I am sorry, I just cannot take some of the remarks here seriously.
AA is free to try. You can download the client, jump in and try things out. Yes, there are some things you cannot do and limits on what you can try. Pay a small amount (in Russia it is about $7) and the game opens up and you can do everything for 30 days. If you dont like the game after that - leave and find another game.
That is such a small amount of money for so much time (I believe the phrase time is money was used), I couldnt even go to the movies (for 2 hours pleasure) for that price.
So where is the problem?
Afterthought: nowhere has Trion said specifically what the payment model will be, so if you have planned everything using the wrong model, its not the fault of the developer.
The problem is it is not marketed as such because F2P =/= a trial. That is the problem most people have (the false advertisement not the paltry amount of cash required but the fact they outright lie about their model).
So much acid and vitriol over what amounts to less then half the bill on a date night at a movie theater and she's probably not gona put out anyway. Free to play, pay to win, sub who cares. are ya having fun playing? That is the point right? if so so what the model, if not go elsewhere.
It's funny how you say that they outright lie about their model. Tell me, which MMO is completely honest about their model? How many FREE TO PLAY labeled games are really completely FREE to play, with no game impact gained by cash? I know only 1, and that's Dota2, and that's not even an mmo. Rest of the games labeled F2P have each their own kinks, be it either that some features are locked, or that you gain some power by buying in the cash shop, or that you can boost your xp, or that it's actually freemium (honestly, show me an MMO that said they have a "freemium" model).
Then again, what does FREE TO PLAY mean? Can you play the game? Yes. Can you play the game for free? Yes. Does it ever say that it's FREE TO EXPERIENCE EVERYTHING IN THE GAME? No.
So this whole "false marketing" is a load of bullshit. You are getting upset over a term that doesn't have a set definition.
I agree with the above. However, what really is disturbing to me is this community in an Alpha game. There is a serious lack of ANY sort of GMs or control. The racist, bigoted, and sheer lack of humanity is VERY evident in this early Alpha. I'm really surprised at how horrible the community really is...I mean I have been in a ton of Alpha's/Beta's etc and have never seen such trash talk. I can usually look past the common trolls, but when you ask a simple question at any given time of day and are faced with having to filter 80% of responds...that's a bit much. This is actually the first Alpha I have regretted paying into mainly because I fear that the community chat (/faction and /trial) may seriously deter any adults away from the game. I'm surprised at all the hate mongering in the game especially. I'm no softie, but this crowd is ridiculously childish.
Every mmo has a vicious group of fanboys. It's best to ignore them and appreciate the ones with any logic and common sense. Also couldn't see what the forum post was about in the link, so I have no actual idea what happened here.
I am sorry, I just cannot take some of the remarks here seriously.
AA is free to try. You can download the client, jump in and try things out. Yes, there are some things you cannot do and limits on what you can try. Pay a small amount (in Russia it is about $7) and the game opens up and you can do everything for 30 days. If you dont like the game after that - leave and find another game.
That is such a small amount of money for so much time (I believe the phrase time is money was used), I couldnt even go to the movies (for 2 hours pleasure) for that price.
So where is the problem?
Afterthought: nowhere has Trion said specifically what the payment model will be, so if you have planned everything using the wrong model, its not the fault of the developer.
The problem is it is not marketed as such because F2P =/= a trial. That is the problem most people have (the false advertisement not the paltry amount of cash required but the fact they outright lie about their model).
Have you considered that maybe your understanding of "F2P" isn't correct? I never go into a f2p thinking I won't have to pay for anything that affects the game. I know better by now. You should too.
Don't be so hostile because you're ignorant and oblivious to the way MMOs are working these days. Again, shame on you.
Also, news flash. Sandbox communities can be pretty hostile. Sub to EVE and pay a member of Goonswarm real life money to join their alliance. Do it, I dare you.
My advice steer clear of that forum and the game as well because most of those specimens will be migrating to the international servers Trion will put up sometime before the Apocalypse and even if it somehow survives as a sandpark despite the ministrations of XL the shit just ain't worth it, not when new guys get treated like that and asses are fully lubed and ready to take it like a champ cause F2P = trial hur hur.
PS: Just for amusement sake: If you look further around the source forum you will find threads with people claiming XP pots or LP pots are P2W yet somehow slicing an entire chunk of the game and making sub only isn't (this isn't cosmetics, races, etc, it is a feature put behind a paywall).
The game looks like alot of fun. Even more for people that pay the subscription model.
Thing is....there are 8 family spots per subscriber house. That means one person pays and 7 others get access to house, farm, some extra storage. You could even split the subscription cost on the side with RL friends or guild members.
Besides this there are people still planting gardens and stuff in the mountains on hard to reach areas. There has even been talk from Trion working on a way for free to play people to earn through in game the ability to get a house or some sort of equivalent.
As far as labor points go, You can earn them in time for free or I also heard there is a way to gift them or get them in other manor. There is also larceny skill in the game which means you don't have to work at various tasks but instead take from people.....but watch out or you might get thrown in jail if you take to much.
Is the game slanted heavily towards subscription model? Yes. Is there a patch that (if taken in full) could potentially kill any sort of balance with purchasing labor potions for real money in the cash shop? Absolutely.
Are there trolls and negative people that enjoy poking at someone they disagree with on every forum? Welcome to the internet.
There are also many enlightened people that can see many sides to an argument and even play devil's advocate from time to time.
One of these threads again, really? I mean yeah, was just a matter of time when AA would get one too.
One could think OP is new to the internet but I'm guessing it comes from butthurt.
"Sandbox" communities actually make for both extremes, while scum and retardation gets their jolly good time you get guilds and communities form right on the oposite side of specter, where the world full of danger and retardation makes good people bond real and strong friendships. Through many years I've expirienced this myself and I've seen lots of good communities in the most hardcore and brutal sandboxes.
your entitlement is off the charts op. They shouldn't have jumped on you so hard but I question why the sub payers have to subsidize your gameplay experience because that seems to be what you wanted. Perhaps the sub payers should pay your netflix bill also why hold back.
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That ''individual'' has done more for the community than you ever will. His post may have been out place, but you are blowing this so much out of proportion, to the point of toxicity.
What kind of logical and mature being would judge a community based on a forum thread anyway.
Word, well said.
basically you got the die hard AA backers saying that everythign is legit its like WoW its deserving of a sub
What they arent seeing is that the game portrayed itself WAY BACK as being a nearly f2p no bars to hold you back game.
Now they are hoping you forgot all that still have all the hype you had oh so long ago and now dish out money for a sub.
Not good business
People spent THEIR time following this game (i am not one) through development watching this game on the premise on a F2P model they layed out. Either it was thier plan from the beginning to do this (have ppl invest time research and hype to force a sub to feed the player)
Does driving away potential players with a toxic attitude count as helping the community? Seriously that is a major red flag and if he cannot adjust himself to his role within it then he should step down and have at it cause it ain't gonna work both ways (I've seen plenty of communities go down the shitter that way) .
As someone else pointed out the game is pretty complex and can get easily broken by the F2P system but the issue is the marketing for the game is F2P not freemium not unlimited trial so all those people clamoring for all features to be unlocked have the right to because what you get in the can isn't what you see on the label.
Uninstalled it the moment I verified that fact and but money down for Gloria Victis and as for going outside...starting sunday I will be taking care of a bachelor's student for a month on her scholarship at my uni making sure she hits the ground running and keeps going so... gonna stay in today to relax a bit educating those in positions of power that it is more often a curse than a gift.
Btw it is not outrageous to remark that someone with a moderator tag is flaming someone else, asking for that person to shape up for the good of the community is not either because as I said... things usually get worse if it is left to continue.
I find it completely fascinating that people are trashing a game that is at least a year away from NA release. The communities in Korea/Japan/Russia will of course be different from here.
Saying that the game sucks, the community sucks, and so forth is about as useful as last year's newspaper. If you must complain about something, go complain about your local politicians. I'm sure that you can find something real to complain about with them, rather than making things up here.
I guess some people don't understand time is money. time invested is something. if a player put fourth months of thought and workings into a game to folllow on the premise of a f2p model only to hear. "Yeah that wasn't the real model here it is here thank you for your investment of time and memory. hopefully we suckered you into sacrificing enough time over wondering about your game you will just slap money down without a second thought. p.s. no we didn't lie" lmao this is wrong if you don't think so don't start a business.
btw - f2p business models still make money they will still get loaded releasing the game as f2p or atleast not make it where it restricts a whole 1/4 of the experience of the sandbox theme.
I am sorry, I just cannot take some of the remarks here seriously.
AA is free to try. You can download the client, jump in and try things out. Yes, there are some things you cannot do and limits on what you can try. Pay a small amount (in Russia it is about $7) and the game opens up and you can do everything for 30 days. If you dont like the game after that - leave and find another game.
That is such a small amount of money for so much time (I believe the phrase time is money was used), I couldnt even go to the movies (for 2 hours pleasure) for that price.
So where is the problem?
Afterthought: nowhere has Trion said specifically what the payment model will be, so if you have planned everything using the wrong model, its not the fault of the developer.
You can please some MMO-players all of the time and you can please all MMO-players some of the time but you can't please all MMO-players all of the time.
The problem is it is not marketed as such because F2P =/= a trial. That is the problem most people have (the false advertisement not the paltry amount of cash required but the fact they outright lie about their model).
It's funny how you say that they outright lie about their model. Tell me, which MMO is completely honest about their model? How many FREE TO PLAY labeled games are really completely FREE to play, with no game impact gained by cash? I know only 1, and that's Dota2, and that's not even an mmo. Rest of the games labeled F2P have each their own kinks, be it either that some features are locked, or that you gain some power by buying in the cash shop, or that you can boost your xp, or that it's actually freemium (honestly, show me an MMO that said they have a "freemium" model).
Then again, what does FREE TO PLAY mean? Can you play the game? Yes. Can you play the game for free? Yes. Does it ever say that it's FREE TO EXPERIENCE EVERYTHING IN THE GAME? No.
So this whole "false marketing" is a load of bullshit. You are getting upset over a term that doesn't have a set definition.
Have you considered that maybe your understanding of "F2P" isn't correct? I never go into a f2p thinking I won't have to pay for anything that affects the game. I know better by now. You should too.
Don't be so hostile because you're ignorant and oblivious to the way MMOs are working these days. Again, shame on you.
Also, news flash. Sandbox communities can be pretty hostile. Sub to EVE and pay a member of Goonswarm real life money to join their alliance. Do it, I dare you.
The game looks like alot of fun. Even more for people that pay the subscription model.
Thing is....there are 8 family spots per subscriber house. That means one person pays and 7 others get access to house, farm, some extra storage. You could even split the subscription cost on the side with RL friends or guild members.
Besides this there are people still planting gardens and stuff in the mountains on hard to reach areas. There has even been talk from Trion working on a way for free to play people to earn through in game the ability to get a house or some sort of equivalent.
As far as labor points go, You can earn them in time for free or I also heard there is a way to gift them or get them in other manor. There is also larceny skill in the game which means you don't have to work at various tasks but instead take from people.....but watch out or you might get thrown in jail if you take to much.
Is the game slanted heavily towards subscription model? Yes. Is there a patch that (if taken in full) could potentially kill any sort of balance with purchasing labor potions for real money in the cash shop? Absolutely.
Are there trolls and negative people that enjoy poking at someone they disagree with on every forum? Welcome to the internet.
There are also many enlightened people that can see many sides to an argument and even play devil's advocate from time to time.
Which type of internet user are you friend?
One of these threads again, really? I mean yeah, was just a matter of time when AA would get one too.
One could think OP is new to the internet but I'm guessing it comes from butthurt.
"Sandbox" communities actually make for both extremes, while scum and retardation gets their jolly good time you get guilds and communities form right on the oposite side of specter, where the world full of danger and retardation makes good people bond real and strong friendships. Through many years I've expirienced this myself and I've seen lots of good communities in the most hardcore and brutal sandboxes.
your entitlement is off the charts op. They shouldn't have jumped on you so hard but I question why the sub payers have to subsidize your gameplay experience because that seems to be what you wanted. Perhaps the sub payers should pay your netflix bill also why hold back.