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PC will not boot windows

WrenderWrender Member Posts: 1,386

Hey guys (Quizzical?) I have a problem I hope someone can solve.

Everytime my pc tries to boot up any version of windows...It simply shuts off all by itself.

...........Started with a bootleg copy of windows 8. Thought that was the problem..... Replaced power supply, ordered OEM windows 7 64 bit and same damn thing. Everytime windows starts to boot,  my computer shuts down at loading screen. (Starting windows .... color splash and shuts down before windows 7 logo displays on screen) EvErY DamN Time!

Here's what I have done:

Swapped out power supply, checked all IDE cable connections, Swapped out memory modules, replaced cpu fan and cleaned all dust from all components, reseated cpu, removed graphics card, set resolution to a basic setting, twiddled with BIOS settings, replaced cpu fan.... Same damn thing, everytime Windows starts to load, computer turns itself off! What could be wrong? What should I try next? Motherboard and cpu? Pretty much all google searches involve checking for "electrical shorts?" This is driving me nuts as I was really looking forward to the early start of TESO but now I don't know and financial funds are short. What should I do?

 

 

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  • WrenderWrender Member Posts: 1,386
    No replies? I'm about ready to go get the tire tool from the trunk of my car and "fix it ReAL GOoD"
  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020
    Question..is your pc a mac...that's probably why.

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  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904


    Originally posted by Wrender
    Hey guys (Quizzical?) I have a problem I hope someone can solve.

    Everytime my pc tries to boot up any version of windows...It simply shuts off all by itself.

    ...........Started with a bootleg copy of windows 8. Thought that was the problem..... Replaced power supply, ordered OEM windows 7 64 bit and same damn thing. Everytime windows starts to boot,  my computer shuts down at loading screen. (Starting windows .... color splash and shuts down before windows 7 logo displays on screen) EvErY DamN Time!

    Here's what I have done:

    Swapped out power supply, checked all IDE cable connections, Swapped out memory modules, replaced cpu fan and cleaned all dust from all components, reseated cpu, removed graphics card, set resolution to a basic setting, twiddled with BIOS settings, replaced cpu fan.... Same damn thing, everytime Windows starts to load, computer turns itself off! What could be wrong? What should I try next? Motherboard and cpu? Pretty much all google searches involve checking for "electrical shorts?" This is driving me nuts as I was really looking forward to the early start of TESO but now I don't know and financial funds are short. What should I do?
     


    Install only the essential hardware components.(onBoard vga)

    Reset BIOS settings to default, Have no Overclock.

    Make sure your cpu is adequately cooled.

    Check/Replace for defective ram.(try just one DIMM)


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    Start in Safe Mode,(there is another option for verbose which name escapes me) by pressing F8 just before the windows load screen. This may identify if it's actually a driver or hardware failure on startup.

    How did you set the resolution if you cant boot into windows?


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  • delta9delta9 Member UncommonPosts: 358
    If you have already replaced the PSU - next thing I would check is the motherboard
  • NexusCZNexusCZ Member UncommonPosts: 56

    My good guess is that something in your computer is overheating and based on critical number in bios it shut down itself to prevent damages.

    -improperly/missing thermal paste between cpu cooler and cpu itself may be problem.

    -damaged gpu/cpu or damaged hdd sectors with critical files to windows boot up, download some linux distro you don't need to install it or anything you can pretty much run it from flashdrive.

    -too low critical numbers in bios but components shouldn't be near 90°C its already too much (they will degrade faster) and you can pretty much run anything at 50°C running on full power 100% with throttle tests just with 2fan airflow and manufacturer coolers for gpu/cpu.

  • grndzrogrndzro Member UncommonPosts: 1,163

    Ninja Edit* Probably the Mobo since it starts loading windows

    How dirty was your heatsink when you inspected it?

    Was there shutdown/bsod/freezing/lag symptoms

    Did you recently bang/kick/joggle your PC?

    Did you attempt to overclock on a motherboard not designed for it?

  • DawgdocDawgdoc Member UncommonPosts: 41

    IDE cables???

     

    Is this computer so old that you don't have SATA?

     

    That one word in your op leads me to believe its time to purchase an entire new computer.

  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130

    Ok, ok, ok. First problem here is that you've swapped out nearly everything in your computer now. So, basically, instead of one problem, you have one problem plus a bunch of possible additional problems or contributing factors. 

     

    If this seems to correspond with the Windows Loading screen, I'd boot to BIOS and let it sit there for an hour. If you're running under BIOS without issues, then your internal temps might be ok. Next, I'd try booting into safe mode, get rid of networking and everything, just get into a good state. If that doesn't work, next step, honestly, I'd go back a generation, still. Grab a copy of WinXP (whatever you can find) and run through that Install. What are the system specs? What is the graphics card? XP will cause the least amount of stress on the system and still have everything be compatible with it, so it might be your best bet for getting a baseline. If that still doesn't work, then I might start looking at hardware. 

     

     

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383

    My semi-random guess would be video card, and it's crashing/rebooting every time the video card driver initializes.

    Can it boot into safe mode? Did your new copy of WIn7 even install, or is it crashing on the installation with the default VGA driver?

    Is there integrated video your trying to run from when you "removed graphics card"?

    Also, just to be crazy, take off the case covers and pick up the computer and roll it over upside down a few times, and maybe even pop the motherboard out. I've had some erratic errors, and lo and behold a screw will roll out from underneath the motherboard or the little metal insert that goes around the back port area of the motherboard will have gotten jacked around onto the traces, or something wierd like that.

  • grndzrogrndzro Member UncommonPosts: 1,163
    Originally posted by Ridelynn

    My semi-random guess would be video card, and it's crashing/rebooting every time the video card driver initializes.

    Can it boot into safe mode? Did your new copy of WIn7 even install, or is it crashing on the installation with the default VGA driver?

    Is there integrated video your trying to run from when you "removed graphics card"?

    Also, just to be crazy, take off the case covers and pick up the computer and roll it over upside down a few times, and maybe even pop the motherboard out. I've had some erratic errors, and lo and behold a screw will roll out from underneath the motherboard or the little metal insert that goes around the back port area of the motherboard will have gotten jacked around onto the traces, or something wierd like that.

    Lol I hadn't thought of that.

    It is very uncommon though to only have the 3D part of the card go out without corrupt 2D. Usually a fried chip is a fried chip.

    He could put linux on a USB and boot to a live install. See what happens.

    Grab Unetbootin and an Linux Mint LXDE copy. The install would heat up the CPU without 3D. Then the boot to live would switch to 3D.

    Usually a GPU fault wouldn't kick off the power though. it would freeze or go garbled followed by either a BSOD or a reboot.

  • lugallugal Member UncommonPosts: 671
    When you safe mode boot up, the graphics are run thru the cpu, not the gpu. Safe mode with the 3D graphics on, it will run through the gpu.

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383


    Originally posted by Wrender
    No replies? I'm about ready to go get the tire tool from the trunk of my car and "fix it ReAL GOoD"
    As a PS to my earlier reply, I'd just like to note that this was posted after waiting 8 minutes, in the US early AM hours.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383


    Originally posted by grndzro

    It is very uncommon though to only have the 3D part of the card go out without corrupt 2D. Usually a fried chip is a fried chip.

    It would probably be a fault in the VRM on the video card, not the GPU itself. The 2d part requires next to no power to draw, but once the GPU initializes and starts to draw power - bzzt

  • grndzrogrndzro Member UncommonPosts: 1,163
    Originally posted by lugal
    When you safe mode boot up, the graphics are run thru the cpu, not the gpu. Safe mode with the 3D graphics on, it will run through the gpu.

    No the 2D part of the GPU is still active. Even in safe mode, and right at boot up, and while in the bios.

  • EspionEspion Member UncommonPosts: 62
    Originally posted by NexusCZ

    My good guess is that something in your computer is overheating and based on critical number in bios it shut down itself to prevent damages.

    -improperly/missing thermal paste between cpu cooler and cpu itself may be problem.

    -damaged gpu/cpu or damaged hdd sectors with critical files to windows boot up, download some linux distro you don't need to install it or anything you can pretty much run it from flashdrive.

    -too low critical numbers in bios but components shouldn't be near 90°C its already too much (they will degrade faster) and you can pretty much run anything at 50°C running on full power 100% with throttle tests just with 2fan airflow and manufacturer coolers for gpu/cpu.

    Thermal Paste was my first thought.  I have seen this happen a couple of times, and that always fixed it.   (Not implying that it  will this time)

  • StonergravyStonergravy Member UncommonPosts: 14

    http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1605 your fix. same thing happend to me. enjoy

     

  • grndzrogrndzro Member UncommonPosts: 1,163
    Originally posted by Espion

    Thermal Paste was my first thought.  I have seen this happen a couple of times, and that always fixed it.   (Not implying that it  will this time)

    TS said he reseated the HS

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607
    As a person said earlier, hook up minimal hardware.  To elaborate, that means no USB ANYTHING, including keyboards, mice... EVERYTHING.  Boot drive, one stick of memory, VGA, that's it.  If it gets to login, start adding stuff back in.
  • PyatraPyatra Member Posts: 644

    Does it TURN OFF or does it recycle through the boot screen like you restarted it?

    If restarting without power cutting it out completely it's an HD issue.  You may have shot yourself in the foot changing settings on the previous installation.  Check your Hard Disk type in Bios first.  Try Legacy and cycle down through the other options not checked.

    If that doesn't work reset to the original setting and get a friend to show up with their HD and try hooking it up and seeing if it boots.  If you see the login screen... it's your HD that's become unstable.

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    Originally posted by Wrender

    ...........Started with a bootleg copy of windows 8. Thought that was the problem..... Replaced power supply, ordered OEM windows 7 64 bit and same damn thing.

    You managed to switch operating system?

    Does that mean you got through Windows 7 installation without crashes?

     
  • WrenderWrender Member Posts: 1,386

    computer is at minimal . can't boot safe mode or anything. will stay in bios all day. have removed vid card only on board video. computer is not overheating. have replaced power supply, using new sata cables. damn thing justs turns off everytime it tries to boot windows in any form. it's an AMD dual core. I'm gonna remove brackets in case and try to look for a short in power switch. I build computers and kinda know what i'm doing but this time im stumped. always simply goes off shuts down doesnt restart on it's own unless i hit the power button again. shuts off at the same time as soon as it tries to load windows. And NO installing the new windows 7 was a bitch cause it shut down several times during the installation. had to reenter cd key many times because it would shut down. 

    Gateway model GM5472 

       http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/gateway-gm5472/4507-3118_7-32574844.html

  • grndzrogrndzro Member UncommonPosts: 1,163

    Edit....your cpu is probably fried.

    That or the motherboard

    Try removing Motherboard battery and pressing the power button for 15 seconds. then put battery back in and try to reboot. you may need to set the bios settings again.

    The PC is 8 years old. How clogged was the heatsink when you opened the box?

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910
    Originally posted by Wrender

    computer is at minimal . can't boot safe mode or anything. will stay in bios all day. have removed vid card only on board video. computer is not overheating. have replaced power supply, using new sata cables. damn thing justs turns off everytime it tries to boot windows in any form. it's an AMD dual core. I'm gonna remove brackets in case and try to look for a short in power switch. I build computers and kinda know what i'm doing but this time im stumped. always simply goes off shuts down doesnt restart on it's own unless i hit the power button again. shuts off at the same time as soon as it tries to load windows. And NO installing the new windows 7 was a bitch cause it shut down several times during the installation. had to reenter cd key many times because it would shut down. 

    Gateway model GM5472 

       http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/gateway-gm5472/4507-3118_7-32574844.html

     

    Does it have more than the stock 2GB of ram?  2GB is the minimum for the 64bit OS, and your on board video is going to use some. 

     

    You tried installing Windows 8.  Before that did Windows Vista work OK?

     

    Between installs did you format or repartition the hard drive, or just try to install the new OS?

     

    Booting to a Ubuntu CD or Flash Drive would allow you to check and see if this is a Windows thing, or a system thing.

     

    My guess, based on all this is that it's either the mobo or your system is running out of memory trying to load Win 8/Win 7.

     

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  • grndzrogrndzro Member UncommonPosts: 1,163
    Originally posted by lizardbones
    Originally posted by Wrender

    computer is at minimal . can't boot safe mode or anything. will stay in bios all day. have removed vid card only on board video. computer is not overheating. have replaced power supply, using new sata cables. damn thing justs turns off everytime it tries to boot windows in any form. it's an AMD dual core. I'm gonna remove brackets in case and try to look for a short in power switch. I build computers and kinda know what i'm doing but this time im stumped. always simply goes off shuts down doesnt restart on it's own unless i hit the power button again. shuts off at the same time as soon as it tries to load windows. And NO installing the new windows 7 was a bitch cause it shut down several times during the installation. had to reenter cd key many times because it would shut down. 

    Gateway model GM5472 

       http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/gateway-gm5472/4507-3118_7-32574844.html

     

    Does it have more than the stock 2GB of ram?  2GB is the minimum for the 64bit OS, and your on board video is going to use some. 

     

    You tried installing Windows 8.  Before that did Windows Vista work OK?

     

    Between installs did you format or repartition the hard drive, or just try to install the new OS?

     

    Booting to a Ubuntu CD or Flash Drive would allow you to check and see if this is a Windows thing, or a system thing.

     

    My guess, based on all this is that it's either the mobo or your system is running out of memory trying to load Win 8/Win 7.

     

    Out of memory does not cause shutdown.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607

    Yep.  If you tried booting by using a cd, avoiding the OS, then you can probably rule out software.  That means it can only be hardware or connections, meaning your CPU, memory(which you've swapped, so highly unlikely), the board, or the OS drive.

    About all you can do now is swap another hard drive and try to install an OS on it.  If it shuts down again, then you know it's not the drive.  Edit:  Might wanna swap the cable along with it.

    That leaves the CPU or the mobo.

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