Originally posted by Fearum This site is full of Drama Queens. Its a f*cking mount, you can buy them in any game with a cash shop, sub or not since WoW introduced them in 1978.
No problem with the mount, just take away the speed boost from it and make it cosmetic...problem solved. Players can even pay 17K to boost the speed = to in game mounts.
What is this speed boost you are talking about, have you been on a mount yet? They are slow as hell and you have to level them up by feeding them. It cost gold and time to feed them.
Can one of you rich young mogul MMORPG playboys explain to me what is the purpose of a subscription model if you have a nickel and dime cash shop on top of that?
If they want more money from people why not absorb the cost into the subscription?
Or sell some f#%king t-shirts and coffee mugs or something?
Yeah a mount in the cash shop, its the end of the world. Soon we will have a max level toon for $60, whats this world coming too...
But the subscription is for what? Oh and YES, its all about that lone single mount in that itty bitty teeny weeny cash shop that's not going to sell anything else that should be covered by the subscription.
Its going to sell the account upgrade to get the unlock for the imperial, a horse and probably some other cosmetic crap.
Originally posted by Fearum This site is full of Drama Queens. Its a f*cking mount, you can buy them in any game with a cash shop, sub or not since WoW introduced them in 1978.
No problem with the mount, just take away the speed boost from it and make it cosmetic...problem solved.
+1.
New players don't get 17k gold very quickly. It's one heck of an advantage to have at the starting gate because you paid $80 rather than $60.
Get a better job I guess, not sure what to tell you. The last few MMO's I have purchased Digital CE all came with a mount. I don't know man, you are out numbered in your protest. They are selling like hot cakes.
I'm perfectly happy with my job, but thank you for the career advice.
Can one of you rich young mogul MMORPG playboys explain to me what is the purpose of a subscription model if you have a nickel and dime cash shop on top of that?
If they want more money from people why not absorb the cost into the subscription?
Or sell some f#%king t-shirts and coffee mugs or something?
Yeah a mount in the cash shop, its the end of the world. Soon we will have a max level toon for $60, whats this world coming too...
But the subscription is for what? Oh and YES, its all about that lone single mount in that itty bitty teeny weeny cash shop that's not going to sell anything else that should be covered by the subscription.
WOW the GREED is unmatched each new AAA game the greed is more over the top this is what's wrong with gaming today and it's like the housing boom that killed the eccomeny this will blow up too
Can one of you rich young mogul MMORPG playboys explain to me what is the purpose of a subscription model if you have a nickel and dime cash shop on top of that?
If they want more money from people why not absorb the cost into the subscription?
Or sell some f#%king t-shirts and coffee mugs or something?
Yeah a mount in the cash shop, its the end of the world. Soon we will have a max level toon for $60, whats this world coming too...
But the subscription is for what? Oh and YES, its all about that lone single mount in that itty bitty teeny weeny cash shop that's not going to sell anything else that should be covered by the subscription.
Its going to sell the account upgrade to get the unlock for the imperial, a horse and probably some other cosmetic crap.
Why do they need to sell cosmetic crap and a horse if the horse is already in the game and there is a subscription?
What are the cash shop items paying for that the subscription won't?
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Originally posted by Fearum This site is full of Drama Queens. Its a f*cking mount, you can buy them in any game with a cash shop, sub or not since WoW introduced them in 1978.
No problem with the mount, just take away the speed boost from it and make it cosmetic...problem solved.
+1.
New players don't get 17k gold very quickly. It's one heck of an advantage to have at the starting gate because you paid $80 rather than $60.
Get a better job I guess, not sure what to tell you. The last few MMO's I have purchased Digital CE all came with a mount. I don't know man, you are out numbered in your protest. They are selling like hot cakes.
Of course their selling like hot cakes! LOL Who wouldnt want an edge, even for a few days, in any game.
Hell yeah, who the hell wants to waste 17k gold and time on a mount you can get for a few bucks. I don't see this edge though, there is no mounted combat and the thing is slow as balls.
Imperial Horse
Info: In-game reward for players who bought Imperial Edition. Same characteristics as Common horse. Price: 1 gold Speed: 15% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: White
In PvE, all you need to do is LOS a mob, your out of combat. One sec to cast. Hot key is H. and your gone.
Originally posted by Fearum This site is full of Drama Queens. Its a f*cking mount, you can buy them in any game with a cash shop, sub or not since WoW introduced them in 1978.
No problem with the mount, just take away the speed boost from it and make it cosmetic...problem solved.
+1.
New players don't get 17k gold very quickly. It's one heck of an advantage to have at the starting gate because you paid $80 rather than $60.
Get a better job I guess, not sure what to tell you. The last few MMO's I have purchased Digital CE all came with a mount. I don't know man, you are out numbered in your protest. They are selling like hot cakes.
Of course their selling like hot cakes! LOL Who wouldnt want an edge, even for a few days, in any game.
Hell yeah, who the hell wants to waste 17k gold and time on a mount you can get for a few bucks. I don't see this edge though, there is no mounted combat and the thing is slow as balls.
It's 15% faster than not having one, I believe. It's a mechanical edge.
The question, as it's been pointed out, is whether or not it's a Mountain or a Molehill - and I'm fine with saying this is a Mountain. I believe a pay-to-play, subscription based game selling mechanical edges for an additional premium - no matter how slight or temporary - is a huge no-no.
Can one of you rich young mogul MMORPG playboys explain to me what is the purpose of a subscription model if you have a nickel and dime cash shop on top of that?
If they want more money from people why not absorb the cost into the subscription?
Or sell some f#%king t-shirts and coffee mugs or something?
Yeah a mount in the cash shop, its the end of the world. Soon we will have a max level toon for $60, whats this world coming too...
But the subscription is for what? Oh and YES, its all about that lone single mount in that itty bitty teeny weeny cash shop that's not going to sell anything else that should be covered by the subscription.
WOW the GREED is unmatched each new AAA game the greed is more over the top this is what's wrong with gaming today and it's like the housing boom that killed the eccomeny this will blow up too
That's a bit a stretch, now if they were selling skill points I would be OUTRAGED! and could say that GREED would be UNMATCHED!
I am a fan of this game but this is a step in the wrong direction. Because once you open those doors it wont stop. More things will be added, rare mounts that would be much better to put in the game as maybe rare spawns or something instead of Cash Shops. I really just hope they don't go down the wrong path, 3 things recently bother me: Any race Any alliance (not that big of a deal though), where do the add-ons stop and now cash shop. I have absolutely loved the beta but man I am a little concerned now.
"When you're in an Elder Scrolls game, you're in a world," he said, explaining the former point. "We don't want players to hit monetisation fees when they're in the world.
We wanted to do monetisation outside of the game. So, if I pay for a month at a time, I have 100 per cent of the game. I don't have to worry about paying one more cent. I'll never run into a pay gate and I'll be in the world."
-Matt Firor
Technically, if you have to go to their website to order the horse, they are still doing monetization outside the game. And you do have all of the game just with the sub. You just don't have a particular cosmetic skin for a horse.
Even if we interpreted what he said in the most negative way possible, it still doesn't mean he lied. As long as he meant it when he said it, by definition it isn't a lie. So unless you have mind reading powers...
Originally posted by Sovrath
Well, technically you can get a horse without paying a dime. Just earn it in game. The horse isn't the issue. The issue is "what else are they willing to put there".
I'll tell you these guys have no clue about how to handle P.R.
That I can fully agree with. Possibly the worst PR team I have ever seen. If ESO had Wildstar's PR team, they might be unstoppable.
Originally posted by FlyByKnight
Can one of you rich young mogul MMORPG playboys explain to me what is the purpose of a subscription model if you have a nickel and dime cash shop on top of that?
If they want more money from people why not absorb the cost into the subscription?
Or sell some f#%king t-shirts and coffee mugs or something?
The purpose is to make as much money as possible. Sub andcash shop makes more money than sub orcash shop. It isn't rocket science.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
WoW has a cash shop, and it sells off mounts, too.
The only time this will become an issue, is if it goes beyond cosmetics. Then this game, and all of its effort, will be for naught. Regardless how good or bad people felt the gameplay was.
Originally posted by Fearum This site is full of Drama Queens. Its a f*cking mount, you can buy them in any game with a cash shop, sub or not since WoW introduced them in 1978.
No problem with the mount, just take away the speed boost from it and make it cosmetic...problem solved.
+1.
New players don't get 17k gold very quickly. It's one heck of an advantage to have at the starting gate because you paid $80 rather than $60.
Get a better job I guess, not sure what to tell you. The last few MMO's I have purchased Digital CE all came with a mount. I don't know man, you are out numbered in your protest. They are selling like hot cakes.
Of course their selling like hot cakes! LOL Who wouldnt want an edge, even for a few days, in any game.
Hell yeah, who the hell wants to waste 17k gold and time on a mount you can get for a few bucks. I don't see this edge though, there is no mounted combat and the thing is slow as balls.
Imperial Horse
Info: In-game reward for players who bought Imperial Edition. Same characteristics as Common horse. Price: 1 gold Speed: 15% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: White
In PvE, all you need to do is LOS a mob, your out of combat. One sec to cast. Hot key is H. and your gone.
So you're concerned about the mobs not catching players?
Originally posted by Fearum This site is full of Drama Queens. Its a f*cking mount, you can buy them in any game with a cash shop, sub or not since WoW introduced them in 1978.
No problem with the mount, just take away the speed boost from it and make it cosmetic...problem solved.
+1.
New players don't get 17k gold very quickly. It's one heck of an advantage to have at the starting gate because you paid $80 rather than $60.
Get a better job I guess, not sure what to tell you. The last few MMO's I have purchased Digital CE all came with a mount. I don't know man, you are out numbered in your protest. They are selling like hot cakes.
Of course their selling like hot cakes! LOL Who wouldnt want an edge, even for a few days, in any game.
Hell yeah, who the hell wants to waste 17k gold and time on a mount you can get for a few bucks. I don't see this edge though, there is no mounted combat and the thing is slow as balls.
It's 15% faster than not having one, I believe. It's a mechanical edge.
The question, as it's been pointed out, is whether or not it's a Mountain or a Molehill - and I'm fine with saying this is a Mountain. I believe a pay-to-play, subscription based game selling mechanical edges for an additional premium - no matter how slight or temporary - is a huge no-no.
I could careless and just think its funny to mess with you guys freaking out about it. Taking Drama Queen to the next level on a non-issue that has been universally -----> excepted <---- for many years.
Originally posted by Fearum This site is full of Drama Queens. Its a f*cking mount, you can buy them in any game with a cash shop, sub or not since WoW introduced them in 1978.
No problem with the mount, just take away the speed boost from it and make it cosmetic...problem solved.
+1.
New players don't get 17k gold very quickly. It's one heck of an advantage to have at the starting gate because you paid $80 rather than $60.
Get a better job I guess, not sure what to tell you. The last few MMO's I have purchased Digital CE all came with a mount. I don't know man, you are out numbered in your protest. They are selling like hot cakes.
Of course their selling like hot cakes! LOL Who wouldnt want an edge, even for a few days, in any game.
Hell yeah, who the hell wants to waste 17k gold and time on a mount you can get for a few bucks. I don't see this edge though, there is no mounted combat and the thing is slow as balls.
It's 15% faster than not having one, I believe. It's a mechanical edge.
The question, as it's been pointed out, is whether or not it's a Mountain or a Molehill - and I'm fine with saying this is a Mountain. I believe a pay-to-play, subscription based game selling mechanical edges for an additional premium - no matter how slight or temporary - is a huge no-no.
I could careless and just think its funny to mess with you guys freaking out about it. Taking Drama Queen to the next level on a non-issue that has been universally -----> excepted <---- for many years.
Originally posted by Knotwood They should Fire Matt Firor and put Paul Sage in his place.
We only know what they say publicly, we have no idea what goes on internally. So attributing this decision to any one particular individual is a little unreasonable.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Originally posted by Knotwood They should Fire Matt Firor and put Paul Sage in his place.
We only know what they say publicly, we have no idea what goes on internally. So attributing this decision to any one particular individual is a little unreasonable.
Ive watched enough of their videos to know it was Matt Firor's decision. Paul Sage is probably hiding right now and refused to say this.
Keep also in mind that Matt Firor is the head of the entire show, what he says goes or doesn't go also.
Originally posted by Fearum This site is full of Drama Queens. Its a f*cking mount, you can buy them in any game with a cash shop, sub or not since WoW introduced them in 1978.
No problem with the mount, just take away the speed boost from it and make it cosmetic...problem solved.
+1.
New players don't get 17k gold very quickly. It's one heck of an advantage to have at the starting gate because you paid $80 rather than $60.
Get a better job I guess, not sure what to tell you. The last few MMO's I have purchased Digital CE all came with a mount. I don't know man, you are out numbered in your protest. They are selling like hot cakes.
Of course their selling like hot cakes! LOL Who wouldnt want an edge, even for a few days, in any game.
Hell yeah, who the hell wants to waste 17k gold and time on a mount you can get for a few bucks. I don't see this edge though, there is no mounted combat and the thing is slow as balls.
Imperial Horse
Info: In-game reward for players who bought Imperial Edition. Same characteristics as Common horse. Price: 1 gold Speed: 15% Stamina: 10 Carrying: 0 Color: White
In PvE, all you need to do is LOS a mob, your out of combat. One sec to cast. Hot key is H. and your gone.
So you're concerned about the mobs not catching players?
In PvP. you can catch players with your 15% speed buff. or run away if you cant win.
It takes like 2 hits to knock someone off their mount. I wouldn't worry about it.
Originally posted by Knotwood They should Fire Matt Firor and put Paul Sage in his place.
We only know what they say publicly, we have no idea what goes on internally. So attributing this decision to any one particular individual is a little unreasonable.
Ive watched enough of their videos to know it was Matt Firor's decision. Paul Sage is probably hiding right now and refused to say this.
Keep also in mind that Matt Firor is the head of the entire show, what he says goes or doesn't go also.
I doubt it, I think Paul is the bad guy. Maybe it's Konkle, he is not to be trusted either though. Shady peeps working over there.
At this point, it's worth pointing out: Mounts work differently on WoW than TESO.
The cost of a mount in WoW is literal pocket change for their respective levels, even for new players. The actual "cost" is getting the Riding skill, which costs about 20x more than the actual mount for their respective levels and *CANNOT* be purchased in the cash shop.
TESOs mounts aren't pocket change - you don't get them for awhile if you're a new player. 17k is nothing to sneeze at until high level.
If TESOs mounts were like WoW, it would cost about 500 gold to buy it in game - and that's all you'd get from the Cash Shop that's technically mechanical. I don't think folks would be complaining about that.
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What is this speed boost you are talking about, have you been on a mount yet? They are slow as hell and you have to level them up by feeding them. It cost gold and time to feed them.
Its going to sell the account upgrade to get the unlock for the imperial, a horse and probably some other cosmetic crap.
Right on.
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WOW the GREED is unmatched each new AAA game the greed is more over the top this is what's wrong with gaming today and it's like the housing boom that killed the eccomeny this will blow up too
does this horse give a whole new meaning to.....
RIDE THE BOLONGNA PONY!!!!
Why do they need to sell cosmetic crap and a horse if the horse is already in the game and there is a subscription?
What are the cash shop items paying for that the subscription won't?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Imperial Horse
Info: In-game reward for players who bought Imperial Edition. Same characteristics as Common horse.
Price: 1 gold
Speed: 15%
Stamina: 10
Carrying: 0
Color: White
In PvE, all you need to do is LOS a mob, your out of combat. One sec to cast. Hot key is H. and your gone.
It's 15% faster than not having one, I believe. It's a mechanical edge.
The question, as it's been pointed out, is whether or not it's a Mountain or a Molehill - and I'm fine with saying this is a Mountain. I believe a pay-to-play, subscription based game selling mechanical edges for an additional premium - no matter how slight or temporary - is a huge no-no.
That's a bit a stretch, now if they were selling skill points I would be OUTRAGED! and could say that GREED would be UNMATCHED!
Technically, if you have to go to their website to order the horse, they are still doing monetization outside the game. And you do have all of the game just with the sub. You just don't have a particular cosmetic skin for a horse.
Even if we interpreted what he said in the most negative way possible, it still doesn't mean he lied. As long as he meant it when he said it, by definition it isn't a lie. So unless you have mind reading powers...
That I can fully agree with. Possibly the worst PR team I have ever seen. If ESO had Wildstar's PR team, they might be unstoppable.The purpose is to make as much money as possible. Sub and cash shop makes more money than sub or cash shop. It isn't rocket science.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
For now, I'm going to say... Who cares!!
WoW has a cash shop, and it sells off mounts, too.
The only time this will become an issue, is if it goes beyond cosmetics. Then this game, and all of its effort, will be for naught. Regardless how good or bad people felt the gameplay was.
So you're concerned about the mobs not catching players?
You mean, 'accepted'.
Yes, thanks!
We only know what they say publicly, we have no idea what goes on internally. So attributing this decision to any one particular individual is a little unreasonable.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
In PvP. you can catch players with your 15% speed buff. or run away if you cant win.
I don't know man, I don't trust Paul Sage. He gives off bad mojo.
Ive watched enough of their videos to know it was Matt Firor's decision. Paul Sage is probably hiding right now and refused to say this.
Keep also in mind that Matt Firor is the head of the entire show, what he says goes or doesn't go also.
It takes like 2 hits to knock someone off their mount. I wouldn't worry about it.
I doubt it, I think Paul is the bad guy. Maybe it's Konkle, he is not to be trusted either though. Shady peeps working over there.
At this point, it's worth pointing out: Mounts work differently on WoW than TESO.
The cost of a mount in WoW is literal pocket change for their respective levels, even for new players. The actual "cost" is getting the Riding skill, which costs about 20x more than the actual mount for their respective levels and *CANNOT* be purchased in the cash shop.
TESOs mounts aren't pocket change - you don't get them for awhile if you're a new player. 17k is nothing to sneeze at until high level.
If TESOs mounts were like WoW, it would cost about 500 gold to buy it in game - and that's all you'd get from the Cash Shop that's technically mechanical. I don't think folks would be complaining about that.