Originally posted by Dreycraft "I know that my profile is high enough in the TESO community that many people will want to know why I'm leaving" What a conceited asswipe, and what really irks me is he speaks like he is Jesus Christ or something,
Yes. Yes. You understand. This is how the majority of the Tamriel Foundry guys have been acting. What makes it worse is that their rationale comes off as so young and naive. Man I try to keep an open mind and not be all back in my day, but damn it - it's just a game. I've have tested dozens of games in my life and plenty of them early on in development. Seeing them complain about stuff, it's just like - well no shit. They did something you didn't like, welcome to the real world. Now step back and judge objectively based on their direction what they are trying to do. A month ago all of these guys were on board with the game hardcore. The API gets changed and it's the worse thing ever, cancel Christmas scenario. They are so oblivious to how just well...immature their point of view is it seems. I think it might have something to do with all of them talking to each other, so it's a reinforcing idea kind of thing. Maybe making it worse than it is?
Cause the API is in no way as limited as they were making it out to be. You still get know all your information and damage you receive. You just don't get to know the information of other sources. Do I think it needs to be that strict? Heh. Probably not, but the way these guys have been acting - I wouldn't be surprised if ZoS has written them off completely. They'll probably keep an olive branch out to Atropos (the creator of the fan site) because he deserves it. But they've all squandered a huge opportunity. Hopefully as they get older and mature, they won't regret it. Reading what the author has been saying in this thread as he tries to rationally explain is abrupt and public change of heart, I think some of them might already be on that path.
Originally posted by Dreycraft "I know that my profile is high enough in the TESO community that many people will want to know why I'm leaving" What a conceited asswipe, and what really irks me is he speaks like he is Jesus Christ or something, this person is no more important than any of the weekend testers. I don't care that he tested way longer than most, that doesn't mean crap to me because most would have done the same if given the opportunity.
In terms of the ESO community, he is actually one of the bigger names. Not because he's part of the PTS test crew, but because he's one of the founding members and administrator team of Tamriel Foundry.
Conceited as he may sound for having spoken of it, he *does* have a level of influence you or I don't have.
There in red is why he made the post he made. He wanted to make ZoS pay for not listening to him. That's why he made the post. All the other stuff is a crutch to fall back on when people called him out. He could of easily just posted in his guild site. I mean would anyone notice, even the ones that knew whom he was in Foundry, if they weren't a part of their gaming community?
No they wouldn't. Cause they would of never played with him anyways.
edit- he of course was wrong, hence the backtrack and explanation here on this thread.
9 months sounds pretty good when my personal more realistic prediction is 30 days. I'm not a hater, I'm just being realistic based on previous releases in the genre. If ESO ends up entertaining me for more than the initial 30 days, then that's a nice bonus.
I will see what happens the first month, as should and probably will most others.
Nine months of play with three characters to 50, regardless of what else he says, that is a pretty positive review these days. He must not have hated it *that* much.
I hope I get half that time out of it, will be tickled pink.
All I can think of is that people who will play the game after release have the right to ask the devs to share their vision of what the game can and will be.
Some guy that plays the game in a beta to the extent that he did, points out flaws and then quits saying the reason he did it was because those flaws are too much for him to bare, without giving the devs or the game a chance after release is just "strange" to put it politely.
I also share concerns with some of the game directions but I will give the team behind the game my initial support. If they fail to deliver according my expectations I'll move on.
Bottom line is the guys's post are full of inconsistencies and he is trying to pur in reasons to cover up why he is really quitting - the API nerf. The poster earlier nailed it when they quoted him 1 month ago. What we know from this guy is this:
1) He supposedly has not been able to log into PTS for a month now
2) However, 1 month ago he posted how addicting this game was, how open-ended the progression was, and just raved about it
3) So he did a 180 change of heart in 24 hours over some huge decision by Zenimax? Sorry but normally this BIG of a change in heart takes time to fester not overnight according to all of his posts.
4) His timeframes do not match up at all - it makes you wonder at the end of the day is this indeed tied to the Templar nerf/API changes
*** He wrote it up nicely and I think tried to cover up the API changes as the real reason. He also has some valid points BUT most seem to be so minor if anything. I just do not think we got the whole story and truth from that blog post....
The blog post seems to echo two of the bigger gripes I had with the 3 beta weekends I played in: bad console port, and bad UI. The game has quite a bit going for it, enough that I pre ordered with the 2nd beta weekend. Then the API was gutted, and I canceled the pre order. I could stomach fixing the UI with mods, but removing that option sealed the deal. I look forward to playing the game, but will wait to see if the UI mess straightens itself out.
As for people talking about a free to play model, the muti-platform release makes it unlikely. It will have to go B2P like TSW because of the console sales.
The blog post seems to echo two of the bigger gripes I had with the 3 beta weekends I played in: bad console port, and bad UI. The game has quite a bit going for it, enough that I pre ordered with the 2nd beta weekend. Then the API was gutted, and I canceled the pre order. I could stomach fixing the UI with mods, but removing that option sealed the deal. I look forward to playing the game, but will wait to see if the UI mess straightens itself out.
As for people talking about a free to play model, the muti-platform release makes it unlikely. It will have to go B2P like TSW because of the console sales.
API was NOT gutted. Addons like minimap and lots of others still work fine. There is also already an addon with the new API that still shows buffs, debuffs, damge done, etc.
Another user pointed me to this updated addon that uses the current API and you can clearly see it is nowhere near as gutted as people cry about. Look at the screenshots that show you what you can still see - a LOT. They gutted the stuff where people could basically use the addon info and macros to basically have the macro play for them and would also allow for those "private, shady" addons....
The poster had a change of heart in literally two weeks. I believe there are his reasons for ultimately quitting:
1) Templar Nerfs which he didn't like and wanted reverted.
2) API changes which he didn't like at all and wanted the MMO info in the UI.
Those two changes caused him to quit the game. He added additional things in there which sounded like a bitter break up and saying mean things to make it easier to break off the relationship. He was a smart guy and a good member of the community but it seems like he thought more highly of himself than the devs did.
I can't believe this guy actually came here expecting people to "understand" that he is a whiny nobody. This entire thread is comedy gold and ate up an hour of time. That alone is worth it. I'm actually really glad he came here to defend his mouth frothing rant, stuff like this makes work much more manageable some days.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV Have played: You name it If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
The poster had a change of heart in literally two weeks. I believe there are his reasons for ultimately quitting:
1) Templar Nerfs which he didn't like and wanted reverted.
2) API changes which he didn't like at all and wanted the MMO info in the UI.
Those two changes caused him to quit the game. He added additional things in there which sounded like a bitter break up and saying mean things to make it easier to break off the relationship. He was a smart guy and a good member of the community but it seems like he thought more highly of himself than the devs did.
I think you're spot on with your post here
You beat me to it. Thats exactly what I got out of his post too. It was a whole lot of 'blah blah blah, they changed the API, Blah Blah, nerfed my favorite class, blah'.
He did a good job fluffing it up with the normal "game is riddled with bugs" speech, but in the end, its your usual "Im quitting" post thousands of people post all the time, nothing special.
Originally posted by Pyuk That blog post pretty much reinforces all my gripes & predictions about ESO from day 1. Well thought out blog, imo, without sounding bitter.
He played the game for 9 months doing literally everything and reaching max rank after he got to 50. Must be a pretty damn good game.
Anyway, I find it sad that some of you have nothing better to do with your lives other than trying so damn hard to bring a game you dont like down.
I'm going to bet people like OP and countless others on these forums will continue to whine, trash, and post useless links to every single MMO that is going to come out up until the last day of your lives.
There are a lot of things 'wrong' in this thread. Some of them are whats 'wrong' with the the way people think.
First off. NO beta tester should ever feel superior to another. But this game has cultivated that with the way it has been testing their game. "super secret" betas that only 'special' people get into mostly because they can keep an NDA, belong to a mega guild or are part of fanboy websites. So the deck in these betas is always stacked to the good of the game. Not a lot of critics. But as the game develops and it becomes clear that a small beta community exists these guys are gong to start feeling superior because theyre there and others arent. Especially if developers and programmers and people DIRECTLY involved with MAKING the game have personal interactions with them and ask them for their thoughts/opinions personally. Shouldnt happen. But it does and apparently did. That is ZoS fault all the way there.
But this went a predictable direction at first. Total fanboy completely eating up everything tha saw and ZoS coud do nothing wrong. Why? Because the game was great? Not hardly. Because the game was new? Probably. Because the game was innovative? Not even close. Because THEY (the 'testet' was getting catered to and listened to? Most definitely. I am sure it felt like the PTS guys wee actually developing this game or at least steering in in a direction they wanted it to go. Another mistake made by ZoS. But again its their first MMO I am sure they were over whelmed and they maybe actually liked some of the idea being passed around the PTS boards.
Then a month or so from release the 'questionable' stuff starts coming out, but it isnt game play related just marketing decisions. Pay wall and pre order wall mostly. Then as more time goes by nerfs to classes happen and changes to the API begin, ultimately getting ot where it is now. People have hurt feelings and realize they werentmaking the decisions afterall and they go from fanboy to critic.
These guys werent ever really TESTING the game they were trying to develop it. And because they felt like they were responsible for some f the stuff in the game they couldnt really be neutral when it came to critiquing the game, good or bad.
But when one of them goes rogue he lets it all hang out and the 'truth' about the game is pashed all over the pace.
But really he isnt saying anything a lot of us have said for 6 or 7 months. We just werent as invested in the game as he was.
But this is why there shouldnt be 'special' testers. Yu test and you make your points and go from there. Letting people feel like theyre actually developing the game is one of the worst ideas ever. (Yeah I know SOE is doing that now to an extent but still a big difference.) Because if there are major issues with a game they dont get talked about as much, and people arent as critical because its like critiquing their own work. But when the company does something they dont agree with then its the companies fault then.
Here is a shocker, its ALWAYS the companies fault. But this highlights the mentality and hubris of the fanboys. It also is a precursor to the reaction of that same group when the game goes free to play. it will be "their' game going free to play. Not THE game, THEIR game.
So all this sums up this game in a nutshell. Its a game in bad shape that made a lot of bad decisions. It isnt completely unplayable but it surely isnt the vision the game should have been or could have been. It imight get better, but for many it will get 'worse' before/if that hapens. This is just a first in the series of fanboy meltdowns related to this game.
please post more "why i quit game x" essays because nobody cares. SMH. anyone care to know why i quit wow?? ..no?
seriously mods please lock thread. pointless thread is pointless.
Right, because it's very important in opinion forums to silence opinions that don't line up with your own. In case you haven't actually read the OP, I'll summarize.
The article was written by a blogger for HIS blog where he has HIS following and HIS audience where people following him might actually care since they'd been following him for months. and for him to simply disappear would in fact raise some questions. In spite of the fact that you say nobody cares, there are actually some that do. They are the ones who follow his blog and that is exactly who the blogger addressed. In that sense, he actually owes it to his audience to explain his actions.
He didn't chose to have his blog linked to this site where he has been crucified for posting his goodbye piece here.
please post more "why i quit game x" essays because nobody cares. SMH. anyone care to know why i quit wow?? ..no?
seriously mods please lock thread. pointless thread is pointless.
Right, because it's very important in opinion forums to silence opinions that don't line up with your own. In case you haven't actually read the OP, I'll summarize.
The article was written by a blogger for HIS blog where he has HIS following and HIS audience where people following him might actually care since they'd been following him for months. and for him to simply disappear would in fact raise some questions. In spite of the fact that you say nobody cares, there are actually some that do. They are the ones who follow his blog and that is exactly who the blogger addressed. In that sense, he actually owes it to his audience to explain his actions.
He didn't chose to have his blog linked to this site where he has been crucified for posting his goodbye piece here.
If his opinion was consistent and made sense, guess he wouldn't be crucified. But he did post this on Tamriel Foundry as well. Which is basically the defacto ESO forums. That will thankfully change come launch, as official forums will open up and the rest of the community will have another main option to discuss the game.
please post more "why i quit game x" essays because nobody cares. SMH. anyone care to know why i quit wow?? ..no?
seriously mods please lock thread. pointless thread is pointless.
Right, because it's very important in opinion forums to silence opinions that don't line up with your own. In case you haven't actually read the OP, I'll summarize.
The article was written by a blogger for HIS blog where he has HIS following and HIS audience where people following him might actually care since they'd been following him for months. and for him to simply disappear would in fact raise some questions. In spite of the fact that you say nobody cares, there are actually some that do. They are the ones who follow his blog and that is exactly who the blogger addressed. In that sense, he actually owes it to his audience to explain his actions.
He didn't chose to have his blog linked to this site where he has been crucified for posting his goodbye piece here.
If his opinion was consistent and made sense, guess he wouldn't be crucified. But he did post this on Tamriel Foundry as well. Which is basically the defacto ESO forums. That will thankfully change come launch, as official forums will open up and the rest of the community will have another main option to discuss the game.
Then I can understand him being torn apart over there for the reasons and inconsistencies he posted. But still, here, it's not about the inconsistencies, it's about the fact that he posted a "Dear John". His blog was posted by a 3rd party. In this thread, on this forum, we don't have the right to judge THIS post. The link is to HIS audience, not ours. He's being judged for OPing here. He did not.
There are a lot of things 'wrong' in this thread. Some of them are whats 'wrong' with the the way people think.
First off. NO beta tester should ever feel superior to another. But this game has cultivated that with the way it has been testing their game. "super secret" betas that only 'special' people get into mostly because they can keep an NDA, belong to a mega guild or are part of fanboy websites. So the deck in these betas is always stacked to the good of the game. Not a lot of critics. But as the game develops and it becomes clear that a small beta community exists these guys are gong to start feeling superior because theyre there and others arent. Especially if developers and programmers and people DIRECTLY involved with MAKING the game have personal interactions with them and ask them for their thoughts/opinions personally. Shouldnt happen. But it does and apparently did. That is ZoS fault all the way there.
But this went a predictable direction at first. Total fanboy completely eating up everything tha saw and ZoS coud do nothing wrong. Why? Because the game was great? Not hardly. Because the game was new? Probably. Because the game was innovative? Not even close. Because THEY (the 'testet' was getting catered to and listened to? Most definitely. I am sure it felt like the PTS guys wee actually developing this game or at least steering in in a direction they wanted it to go. Another mistake made by ZoS. But again its their first MMO I am sure they were over whelmed and they maybe actually liked some of the idea being passed around the PTS boards.
Then a month or so from release the 'questionable' stuff starts coming out, but it isnt game play related just marketing decisions. Pay wall and pre order wall mostly. Then as more time goes by nerfs to classes happen and changes to the API begin, ultimately getting ot where it is now. People have hurt feelings and realize they werentmaking the decisions afterall and they go from fanboy to critic.
These guys werent ever really TESTING the game they were trying to develop it. And because they felt like they were responsible for some f the stuff in the game they couldnt really be neutral when it came to critiquing the game, good or bad.
But when one of them goes rogue he lets it all hang out and the 'truth' about the game is pashed all over the pace.
But really he isnt saying anything a lot of us have said for 6 or 7 months. We just werent as invested in the game as he was.
But this is why there shouldnt be 'special' testers. Yu test and you make your points and go from there. Letting people feel like theyre actually developing the game is one of the worst ideas ever. (Yeah I know SOE is doing that now to an extent but still a big difference.) Because if there are major issues with a game they dont get talked about as much, and people arent as critical because its like critiquing their own work. But when the company does something they dont agree with then its the companies fault then.
Here is a shocker, its ALWAYS the companies fault. But this highlights the mentality and hubris of the fanboys. It also is a precursor to the reaction of that same group when the game goes free to play. it will be "their' game going free to play. Not THE game, THEIR game.
So all this sums up this game in a nutshell. Its a game in bad shape that made a lot of bad decisions. It isnt completely unplayable but it surely isnt the vision the game should have been or could have been. It imight get better, but for many it will get 'worse' before/if that hapens. This is just a first in the series of fanboy meltdowns related to this game.
i agree with most of your points but the green is what i agree with the most , come launch its gonna be bloody in these forum's from the tears of blood lol,but that's just my prediction.
please post more "why i quit game x" essays because nobody cares. SMH. anyone care to know why i quit wow?? ..no?
seriously mods please lock thread. pointless thread is pointless.
Right, because it's very important in opinion forums to silence opinions that don't line up with your own. In case you haven't actually read the OP, I'll summarize.
The article was written by a blogger for HIS blog where he has HIS following and HIS audience where people following him might actually care since they'd been following him for months. and for him to simply disappear would in fact raise some questions. In spite of the fact that you say nobody cares, there are actually some that do. They are the ones who follow his blog and that is exactly who the blogger addressed. In that sense, he actually owes it to his audience to explain his actions.
He didn't chose to have his blog linked to this site where he has been crucified for posting his goodbye piece here.
If his opinion was consistent and made sense, guess he wouldn't be crucified. But he did post this on Tamriel Foundry as well. Which is basically the defacto ESO forums. That will thankfully change come launch, as official forums will open up and the rest of the community will have another main option to discuss the game.
Then I can understand him being torn apart over there for the reasons and inconsistencies he posted. But still, here, it's not about the inconsistencies, it's about the fact that he posted a "Dear John". His blog was posted by a 3rd party. In this thread, on this forum, we don't have the right to judge THIS post. The link is to HIS audience, not ours. He's being judged for OPing here. He did not.
^^^ exactly even after he showed up people still tried acting as if he cared what they thought about his post after it seems he didn't even know it was here ( someone must have told him , thank god , so he could come defend himself). Played with the dude in beta we stood around and he answered several of my questions as-well as a random dudes for (almost a good 30 mins) but by peoples post you would think he some stuck up prick which isn't the case at all .
please post more "why i quit game x" essays because nobody cares. SMH. anyone care to know why i quit wow?? ..no?
seriously mods please lock thread. pointless thread is pointless.
Right, because it's very important in opinion forums to silence opinions that don't line up with your own. In case you haven't actually read the OP, I'll summarize.
The article was written by a blogger for HIS blog where he has HIS following and HIS audience where people following him might actually care since they'd been following him for months. and for him to simply disappear would in fact raise some questions. In spite of the fact that you say nobody cares, there are actually some that do. They are the ones who follow his blog and that is exactly who the blogger addressed. In that sense, he actually owes it to his audience to explain his actions.
He didn't chose to have his blog linked to this site where he has been crucified for posting his goodbye piece here.
If his opinion was consistent and made sense, guess he wouldn't be crucified. But he did post this on Tamriel Foundry as well. Which is basically the defacto ESO forums. That will thankfully change come launch, as official forums will open up and the rest of the community will have another main option to discuss the game.
Then I can understand him being torn apart over there for the reasons and inconsistencies he posted. But still, here, it's not about the inconsistencies, it's about the fact that he posted a "Dear John". His blog was posted by a 3rd party. In this thread, on this forum, we don't have the right to judge THIS post. The link is to HIS audience, not ours. He's being judged for OPing here. He did not.
^^^ exactly even after he showed up people still tried acting as if he cared what they thought about his post after it seems he didn't even know it was here ( someone must have told him , thank god , so he could come defend himself). Played with the dude in beta we stood around and he answered several of my questions as-well as a random dudes for (almost a good 30 mins) but by peoples post you would think he some stuck up prick which isn't the case at all .
@Geezer He can't be torn up there. It's not allowed on Tamriel Foundry. Atropros specifically commented in that thread about not saying anything to the guy for his 'I Quit' thread in a negative way. Only positive atta boy messages are needed to thank him for his hard work and service for their website.
@Sir Now from your personal experience with the guy, that's the whole point. He was VERY helpful a month ago and supportive of the game. As was most of the other ER and friends towards the game. Many changed their opinion (while making threats to ZoS during the AMA) when their own mod developed by their leader Atropos (important to point out that no one else worked on the thing) was nerfed for giving out too much information that would then require that add-on or ones like it to be on a level playing field.
The reason everyone is 'attacking' him here has to do with his reaction and trying to act like other reasons were why he made an I quit blog. It was not. It's obvious why he did it. Now the person whom started this thread had their own motivations for bringing it to this forum, but the fact remains you post something and advertise it (which he did on the Foundry) people will respond. The reason some are using this thread instead probably has more to do with the aforementioned Atropos 'don't say anything bad about my friend' post over on his site. MMORPG, thankfully, isn't controlled by them and therefore people's true feelings about the crap that went down can be vented. If you don't like it, you can always ignore it. Honestly I haven't seen too much personal attacks on him. I think his actions and by proxy him was an immature way of handling things, but that's my personal opinion. I think they had a great opportunity to really capitalize on their position in the market with this game. I think they and unfortunately the site itself, has taken a serious hit because of it. Which is a damn shame because the site is really well done. Probably one of the best fan sites I had ever seen. So if you wonder why it matters to others outside of his fanboys, I respond to you that there are plenty that found use from the site and appreciated it without drinking the kool-aid.
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Yes. Yes. You understand. This is how the majority of the Tamriel Foundry guys have been acting. What makes it worse is that their rationale comes off as so young and naive. Man I try to keep an open mind and not be all back in my day, but damn it - it's just a game. I've have tested dozens of games in my life and plenty of them early on in development. Seeing them complain about stuff, it's just like - well no shit. They did something you didn't like, welcome to the real world. Now step back and judge objectively based on their direction what they are trying to do. A month ago all of these guys were on board with the game hardcore. The API gets changed and it's the worse thing ever, cancel Christmas scenario. They are so oblivious to how just well...immature their point of view is it seems. I think it might have something to do with all of them talking to each other, so it's a reinforcing idea kind of thing. Maybe making it worse than it is?
Cause the API is in no way as limited as they were making it out to be. You still get know all your information and damage you receive. You just don't get to know the information of other sources. Do I think it needs to be that strict? Heh. Probably not, but the way these guys have been acting - I wouldn't be surprised if ZoS has written them off completely. They'll probably keep an olive branch out to Atropos (the creator of the fan site) because he deserves it. But they've all squandered a huge opportunity. Hopefully as they get older and mature, they won't regret it. Reading what the author has been saying in this thread as he tries to rationally explain is abrupt and public change of heart, I think some of them might already be on that path.
There in red is why he made the post he made. He wanted to make ZoS pay for not listening to him. That's why he made the post. All the other stuff is a crutch to fall back on when people called him out. He could of easily just posted in his guild site. I mean would anyone notice, even the ones that knew whom he was in Foundry, if they weren't a part of their gaming community?
No they wouldn't. Cause they would of never played with him anyways.
edit- he of course was wrong, hence the backtrack and explanation here on this thread.
9 months sounds pretty good when my personal more realistic prediction is 30 days. I'm not a hater, I'm just being realistic based on previous releases in the genre. If ESO ends up entertaining me for more than the initial 30 days, then that's a nice bonus.
I will see what happens the first month, as should and probably will most others.
Nine months of play with three characters to 50, regardless of what else he says, that is a pretty positive review these days. He must not have hated it *that* much.
I hope I get half that time out of it, will be tickled pink.
All I can think of is that people who will play the game after release have the right to ask the devs to share their vision of what the game can and will be.
Some guy that plays the game in a beta to the extent that he did, points out flaws and then quits saying the reason he did it was because those flaws are too much for him to bare, without giving the devs or the game a chance after release is just "strange" to put it politely.
I also share concerns with some of the game directions but I will give the team behind the game my initial support. If they fail to deliver according my expectations I'll move on.
Bottom line is the guys's post are full of inconsistencies and he is trying to pur in reasons to cover up why he is really quitting - the API nerf. The poster earlier nailed it when they quoted him 1 month ago. What we know from this guy is this:
1) He supposedly has not been able to log into PTS for a month now
2) However, 1 month ago he posted how addicting this game was, how open-ended the progression was, and just raved about it
3) So he did a 180 change of heart in 24 hours over some huge decision by Zenimax? Sorry but normally this BIG of a change in heart takes time to fester not overnight according to all of his posts.
4) His timeframes do not match up at all - it makes you wonder at the end of the day is this indeed tied to the Templar nerf/API changes
*** He wrote it up nicely and I think tried to cover up the API changes as the real reason. He also has some valid points BUT most seem to be so minor if anything. I just do not think we got the whole story and truth from that blog post....
The blog post seems to echo two of the bigger gripes I had with the 3 beta weekends I played in: bad console port, and bad UI. The game has quite a bit going for it, enough that I pre ordered with the 2nd beta weekend. Then the API was gutted, and I canceled the pre order. I could stomach fixing the UI with mods, but removing that option sealed the deal. I look forward to playing the game, but will wait to see if the UI mess straightens itself out.
As for people talking about a free to play model, the muti-platform release makes it unlikely. It will have to go B2P like TSW because of the console sales.
please post more "why i quit game x" essays because nobody cares. SMH. anyone care to know why i quit wow?? ..no?
seriously mods please lock thread. pointless thread is pointless.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
API was NOT gutted. Addons like minimap and lots of others still work fine. There is also already an addon with the new API that still shows buffs, debuffs, damge done, etc.
Another user pointed me to this updated addon that uses the current API and you can clearly see it is nowhere near as gutted as people cry about. Look at the screenshots that show you what you can still see - a LOT. They gutted the stuff where people could basically use the addon info and macros to basically have the macro play for them and would also allow for those "private, shady" addons....
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info27-WarLegendHUD.html
Interesting, I guess some people don't like change. Some people like everything to be the same... *stabs own eye out*
More like he cut off his nose to spite his face.
Oh I want dibs on his nose!
I think you're spot on with your post here
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
You beat me to it. Thats exactly what I got out of his post too. It was a whole lot of 'blah blah blah, they changed the API, Blah Blah, nerfed my favorite class, blah'.
He did a good job fluffing it up with the normal "game is riddled with bugs" speech, but in the end, its your usual "Im quitting" post thousands of people post all the time, nothing special.
Nah, they'll grow up at some point.
That's just, like, my opinion, man.
Still going?
There are a lot of things 'wrong' in this thread. Some of them are whats 'wrong' with the the way people think.
First off. NO beta tester should ever feel superior to another. But this game has cultivated that with the way it has been testing their game. "super secret" betas that only 'special' people get into mostly because they can keep an NDA, belong to a mega guild or are part of fanboy websites. So the deck in these betas is always stacked to the good of the game. Not a lot of critics. But as the game develops and it becomes clear that a small beta community exists these guys are gong to start feeling superior because theyre there and others arent. Especially if developers and programmers and people DIRECTLY involved with MAKING the game have personal interactions with them and ask them for their thoughts/opinions personally. Shouldnt happen. But it does and apparently did. That is ZoS fault all the way there.
But this went a predictable direction at first. Total fanboy completely eating up everything tha saw and ZoS coud do nothing wrong. Why? Because the game was great? Not hardly. Because the game was new? Probably. Because the game was innovative? Not even close. Because THEY (the 'testet' was getting catered to and listened to? Most definitely. I am sure it felt like the PTS guys wee actually developing this game or at least steering in in a direction they wanted it to go. Another mistake made by ZoS. But again its their first MMO I am sure they were over whelmed and they maybe actually liked some of the idea being passed around the PTS boards.
Then a month or so from release the 'questionable' stuff starts coming out, but it isnt game play related just marketing decisions. Pay wall and pre order wall mostly. Then as more time goes by nerfs to classes happen and changes to the API begin, ultimately getting ot where it is now. People have hurt feelings and realize they werentmaking the decisions afterall and they go from fanboy to critic.
These guys werent ever really TESTING the game they were trying to develop it. And because they felt like they were responsible for some f the stuff in the game they couldnt really be neutral when it came to critiquing the game, good or bad.
But when one of them goes rogue he lets it all hang out and the 'truth' about the game is pashed all over the pace.
But really he isnt saying anything a lot of us have said for 6 or 7 months. We just werent as invested in the game as he was.
But this is why there shouldnt be 'special' testers. Yu test and you make your points and go from there. Letting people feel like theyre actually developing the game is one of the worst ideas ever. (Yeah I know SOE is doing that now to an extent but still a big difference.) Because if there are major issues with a game they dont get talked about as much, and people arent as critical because its like critiquing their own work. But when the company does something they dont agree with then its the companies fault then.
Here is a shocker, its ALWAYS the companies fault. But this highlights the mentality and hubris of the fanboys. It also is a precursor to the reaction of that same group when the game goes free to play. it will be "their' game going free to play. Not THE game, THEIR game.
So all this sums up this game in a nutshell. Its a game in bad shape that made a lot of bad decisions. It isnt completely unplayable but it surely isnt the vision the game should have been or could have been. It imight get better, but for many it will get 'worse' before/if that hapens. This is just a first in the series of fanboy meltdowns related to this game.
Right, because it's very important in opinion forums to silence opinions that don't line up with your own. In case you haven't actually read the OP, I'll summarize.
The article was written by a blogger for HIS blog where he has HIS following and HIS audience where people following him might actually care since they'd been following him for months. and for him to simply disappear would in fact raise some questions. In spite of the fact that you say nobody cares, there are actually some that do. They are the ones who follow his blog and that is exactly who the blogger addressed. In that sense, he actually owes it to his audience to explain his actions.
He didn't chose to have his blog linked to this site where he has been crucified for posting his goodbye piece here.
Main thing I noticed reading through the entirety of this thread was a disappointing lack of popcorn in my immediate vicinity.
If his opinion was consistent and made sense, guess he wouldn't be crucified. But he did post this on Tamriel Foundry as well. Which is basically the defacto ESO forums. That will thankfully change come launch, as official forums will open up and the rest of the community will have another main option to discuss the game.
Then I can understand him being torn apart over there for the reasons and inconsistencies he posted. But still, here, it's not about the inconsistencies, it's about the fact that he posted a "Dear John". His blog was posted by a 3rd party. In this thread, on this forum, we don't have the right to judge THIS post. The link is to HIS audience, not ours. He's being judged for OPing here. He did not.
i agree with most of your points but the green is what i agree with the most , come launch its gonna be bloody in these forum's from the tears of blood lol,but that's just my prediction.
^^^ exactly even after he showed up people still tried acting as if he cared what they thought about his post after it seems he didn't even know it was here ( someone must have told him , thank god , so he could come defend himself). Played with the dude in beta we stood around and he answered several of my questions as-well as a random dudes for (almost a good 30 mins) but by peoples post you would think he some stuck up prick which isn't the case at all .
@Geezer He can't be torn up there. It's not allowed on Tamriel Foundry. Atropros specifically commented in that thread about not saying anything to the guy for his 'I Quit' thread in a negative way. Only positive atta boy messages are needed to thank him for his hard work and service for their website.
@Sir Now from your personal experience with the guy, that's the whole point. He was VERY helpful a month ago and supportive of the game. As was most of the other ER and friends towards the game. Many changed their opinion (while making threats to ZoS during the AMA) when their own mod developed by their leader Atropos (important to point out that no one else worked on the thing) was nerfed for giving out too much information that would then require that add-on or ones like it to be on a level playing field.
The reason everyone is 'attacking' him here has to do with his reaction and trying to act like other reasons were why he made an I quit blog. It was not. It's obvious why he did it. Now the person whom started this thread had their own motivations for bringing it to this forum, but the fact remains you post something and advertise it (which he did on the Foundry) people will respond. The reason some are using this thread instead probably has more to do with the aforementioned Atropos 'don't say anything bad about my friend' post over on his site. MMORPG, thankfully, isn't controlled by them and therefore people's true feelings about the crap that went down can be vented. If you don't like it, you can always ignore it. Honestly I haven't seen too much personal attacks on him. I think his actions and by proxy him was an immature way of handling things, but that's my personal opinion. I think they had a great opportunity to really capitalize on their position in the market with this game. I think they and unfortunately the site itself, has taken a serious hit because of it. Which is a damn shame because the site is really well done. Probably one of the best fan sites I had ever seen. So if you wonder why it matters to others outside of his fanboys, I respond to you that there are plenty that found use from the site and appreciated it without drinking the kool-aid.