Dude I was pointing out you were pulling figures from nowhere and posting them as truth. Your last few posts have said I am "ignoring release facts" or some nonsense when all I asked you was to prove the 200k~ figure. Nice defence mechanism there, someone calls you out so they must be a white knight.
Would VGZ even know how many copies Zenimax have sold in their store if they didnt want them to? I dont feel like you'd know the answer to that though.
Dude I was pointing out you were pulling figures from nowhere and posting them as truth. Your last few posts have said I am "ignoring release facts" or some nonsense when all I asked you was to prove the 200k~ figure. Nice defence mechanism there, someone calls you out so they must be a white knight.
Would VGZ even know how many copies Zenimax have sold in their store if they didnt want them to? I dont feel like you'd know the answer to that though.
Originally posted by Emmer4 Whoever cougan is should try reading my posts lol. I may even buy the game once it stabilises and i have only 1 account on this site. Looking at his post history seems he makes the same excuse for anyone who has doubts about the game ha ha ha....the desperate action of an eso defender because he cant refute the actual details surrounding the actual launch lolz
Looks more like a desperate troll since you completely ignored the question I asked you. No source link of actual physical pre-order sales for NA like you claimed then?
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"I'm not so sure...
VGZ quoted 157k physical pre orders for all of NA. So what are we saying there VAST, VAST majority were all digital?
If the game had any form or marketing worthy spin in relation to its sales, be that "most pre ordered PC game ever" or even "most pre ordered MMO ever" then we would have heard all about from ZOS marketing team a long time ago. The fact that they are eerily quiet on the PR front with regard to sales is fishy to me.
I think it will probably get through the usual significant sub drop offs and stabilise at around 300k subs for year 1. Year 2 onwards has F2P cash grab written all over it."
Lol I don't need to link it...it has been confirmed by other posters in the thread. The VGZ site is there for you to look on the marvel of the interweb although I don't expect you to bother...the truth about ESOs rocky launch seems to offend you somehow....meh.
like I said earlier I'm one of the many who are waiting for ESO to stabilise before we even think about dropping dollars on it. You on the other hand appear far too emotionally invested in the game, so far so that you cannot even be honest about the games launch and subsequent issues.
157k physical pre orders for the whole of NA and ZOS quiet as a church mouse about sales...even if those VGZ numbers are not 100% accurate...they are somewhere close and that's obviously what really narks you lol....
Are you just quoting other MMORPG posts then? One other poster confirmed it and said he had no idea how accurate.
Was this number you keep using like the ultimate of facts including copies from Zenimax, Amazon, every retailer?
No of course not...it's just all we have being as ZOS don't seem to want to release any kind of pr about pre orders or sales.
The fact is, those numbers on VGZ whilst not including digital downloads WILL be somewhere near accurate and that really pisses you off. Which is why you pounce to attack anyone who can be honest about the state of the launch. That being something you also seem to want to avoid discussing...and if I was as much as a mis guided white knight as you...I would want to avoid discussing the reality of ESOs launch too
Dude I was pointing out you were pulling figures from nowhere and posting them as truth. Your last few posts have said I am "ignoring release facts" or some nonsense when all I asked you was to prove the 200k~ figure. Nice defence mechanism there, someone calls you out so they must be a white knight.
Would VGZ even know how many copies Zenimax have sold in their store if they didnt want them to? I dont feel like you'd know the answer to that though.
A bit like how you try to discredit anyone who has doubts about the game as a troll or a multi accounter?
we both know how VGZ derives it's numbers. We both know they are not 100%. We both know they an indication. We both know it's all indicative until ZOS releases some info.
We both know if they are anywhere near accurate it's a very poor show indeed.
Heh heres some more guesswork from the reddit link above regarding them figures that you like so much
Rift had 51,586 pre-orders according to VGChartz one week from release (note that 20% of those came in the last week)
Originally posted by Emmer4 Whoever cougan is should try reading my posts lol. I may even buy the game once it stabilises and i have only 1 account on this site. Looking at his post history seems he makes the same excuse for anyone who has doubts about the game ha ha ha....the desperate action of an eso defender because he cant refute the actual details surrounding the actual launch lolz
Looks more like a desperate troll since you completely ignored the question I asked you. No source link of actual physical pre-order sales for NA like you claimed then?
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"I'm not so sure...
VGZ quoted 157k physical pre orders for all of NA. So what are we saying there VAST, VAST majority were all digital?
If the game had any form or marketing worthy spin in relation to its sales, be that "most pre ordered PC game ever" or even "most pre ordered MMO ever" then we would have heard all about from ZOS marketing team a long time ago. The fact that they are eerily quiet on the PR front with regard to sales is fishy to me.
I think it will probably get through the usual significant sub drop offs and stabilise at around 300k subs for year 1. Year 2 onwards has F2P cash grab written all over it."
Lol I don't need to link it...it has been confirmed by other posters in the thread. The VGZ site is there for you to look on the marvel of the interweb although I don't expect you to bother...the truth about ESOs rocky launch seems to offend you somehow....meh.
like I said earlier I'm one of the many who are waiting for ESO to stabilise before we even think about dropping dollars on it. You on the other hand appear far too emotionally invested in the game, so far so that you cannot even be honest about the games launch and subsequent issues.
157k physical pre orders for the whole of NA and ZOS quiet as a church mouse about sales...even if those VGZ numbers are not 100% accurate...they are somewhere close and that's obviously what really narks you lol....
Are you just quoting other MMORPG posts then? One other poster confirmed it and said he had no idea how accurate.
Was this number you keep using like the ultimate of facts including copies from Zenimax, Amazon, every retailer?
No of course not...it's just all we have being as ZOS don't seem to want to release any kind of pr about pre orders or sales.
The fact is, those numbers on VGZ whilst not including digital downloads WILL be somewhere near accurate and that really pisses you off. Which is why you pounce to attack anyone who can be honest about the state of the launch. That being something you also seem to want to avoid discussing...and if I was as much as a mis guided white knight as you...I would want to avoid discussing the reality of ESOs launch too
Dude I was pointing out you were pulling figures from nowhere and posting them as truth. Your last few posts have said I am "ignoring release facts" or some nonsense when all I asked you was to prove the 200k~ figure. Nice defence mechanism there, someone calls you out so they must be a white knight.
Would VGZ even know how many copies Zenimax have sold in their store if they didnt want them to? I dont feel like you'd know the answer to that though.
A bit like how you try to discredit anyone who has doubts about the game as a troll or a multi accounter?
we both know how VGZ derives it's numbers. We both know they are not 100%. We both know they an indication. We both know it's all indicative until ZOS releases some info.
We both know if they are anywhere near accurate it's a very poor show indeed.
Heh heres some more guesswork from the reddit link above regarding them figures that you like so much
Rift had 51,586 pre-orders according to VGChartz one week from release (note that 20% of those came in the last week)
Originally posted by Cougan How would a smooth launch affect pre-order figures? :P
Are you being intentionally dense? Rift had 56k~ pre order sales. Then launch happened. And due to a pretty smooth launch and mostly positive word of mouth, that 56k quickly grew to 600k~ during the first month of launch.
Originally posted by Cougan How would a smooth launch affect pre-order figures? :P
Are you being intentionally dense? Rift had 56k~ pre order sales. Then launch happened. And due to a pretty smooth launch and mostly positive word of mouth, that 56k quickly grew to 600k~ during the first month of launch.
Yeah I figured the wording afterwords sorry.
Saying something "launched" with 600k didnt sound like it meant a month later
Originally posted by Cougan How would a smooth launch affect pre-order figures? :P
Are you being intentionally dense? Rift had 56k~ pre order sales. Then launch happened. And due to a pretty smooth launch and mostly positive word of mouth, that 56k quickly grew to 600k~ during the first month of launch.
Yeah I figured the wording afterwords sorry.
Saying something "launched" with 600k didnt sound like it meant a month later
Rift didn't make a sales figure release until about a year in. They grew mostly from positive word-of-mouth and some decent marketing. But it was a very niche title with limited name recognition.
Originally posted by Cougan How would a smooth launch affect pre-order figures? :P
You said rift launched with 600k subscribers....the smooth, polished launch and positive word of mouth was part of the reason.
ESO had neither of those things IMO and the ongoing sub numbers / retention rates will stand as testament to that fact. IMO.
it doesn't matter how you spin it...the launch and reception of ESO has not been great at all.
can they turn it around I hope so...but I'm not gonna sugar coat it the same as I won't sugar coat my praise for the game if they get their shit together.
One source recently listed, 3 days after release on the 4th, a ranking that placed ESO at the TOP of a WEEKLY sales list for PC AND MAC titles worldwide. That was #1 for US and the world. At the time it was #7 in the EU.
Another more up to date article has already moved it's ranking up to #2 in the EU. With 4 days left to go, it's fairly safe to say it should top the charts there too.
How long do you think it'll hold that position?
What do you mean no formal figures out yet? I thought the amount of beta registrations in teso were twice the amount of big macs eaten on daily basis <o>
I think Elder Scrolls Online will be very successful due to the fact it's being released on PC, Xbox One and PS4. And it's being released early on for those console players; so they will get hooked/invested early on. Like how all the WoW players got hooked and never left. A new player base will likely emerge for Elder Scrolls Online.
Now will it grab a market majority or even plurality? No. Of course not. Not with WoW with 10X more subscribers out there plus all the other MMO competition.
Will ESO be the next 'big, successful' MMO? Yes. I think so. (and for that I mean you can be 5% of the MMO market these days and be #2 in terms of subscribers/income)
game is meh .. already done and uninstalled it , But it did inspire me to reinstall Skyrim which is a much better Elder Scrolls experience by far imo..I think it will settle in at 350-450k subs in a year if it keeps that model
I think the Elder Scrolls Online will be a successful game simply thanks to the name recognition, but it probably wont win over those who enjoyed the single player entries. Namely, it isn't so much about the HUD or the looks, but rather what a player can do both in the game and outside of it via modding. Also, we are still living in a proverbial deluge of Action based themepark MMORPGs to the point of over saturation, which isn't helping anyone in the industry at the moment. We got games competing for peoples time that were published as far back as 2004 still running around!
Originally posted by Colt47 I think the Elder Scrolls Online will be a successful game simply thanks to the name recognition, but it probably wont win over those who enjoyed the single player entries. Namely, it isn't so much about the HUD or the looks, but rather what a player can do both in the game and outside of it via modding. Also, we are still living in a proverbial deluge of Action based themepark MMORPGs to the point of over saturation, which isn't helping anyone in the industry at the moment. We got games competing for peoples time that were published as far back as 2004 still running around!
See, this worked for SWTOR because most star wars fans are in fact not gamers. However, all ES fans are indeed gamers, so they're not as clueless to game developer tricks as SW fans were. Thats why SWTOR sold so many boxes, but ESO will not.
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Eh that link just makes me trust those figures even less.
Well... ok? I guess I can't give you any information you'll believe no matter where I might link you to.
Thank you.
although I'm sure the excuses will keep on coming...they must be very well rehearsed by now
Heh heres some more guesswork from the reddit link above regarding them figures that you like so much
Rift had 51,586 pre-orders according to VGChartz one week from release (note that 20% of those came in the last week)
http://www.vgchartz.com/charts/preorders.php?date=40601
ESO has 157,288 with two weeks out from the same source (linked source could update count): http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders/41721/USA/
Rift launched with 600k "subscribers"
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
Extrapolating ESO's VGChartz with Rift's would mean 1,829,427 "subscribers" at launch
Doesnt sound too poor at all... then again I think these estimates are all nonsense.
Bethesda ALWAYS released sales figures for its games so any excuse made for Zenimax Online is pure BS, they are owned by the same parent company.
We do thank you though for attempting to hide the fact that this launch didn't go all stellar in the sales department though.
The difference being that Rift did have a smooth and polished launch and benefitted from very positive word of mouth reviews.
ESO did not.
Wow. 158 posts on how many copies of ESO have sold, with absolutely no way to get an actual number other than guessing. Nice.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Are you being intentionally dense? Rift had 56k~ pre order sales. Then launch happened. And due to a pretty smooth launch and mostly positive word of mouth, that 56k quickly grew to 600k~ during the first month of launch.
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Yeah I figured the wording afterwords sorry.
Saying something "launched" with 600k didnt sound like it meant a month later
Rift didn't make a sales figure release until about a year in. They grew mostly from positive word-of-mouth and some decent marketing. But it was a very niche title with limited name recognition.
It did well enough all things considered.
You said rift launched with 600k subscribers....the smooth, polished launch and positive word of mouth was part of the reason.
ESO had neither of those things IMO and the ongoing sub numbers / retention rates will stand as testament to that fact. IMO.
it doesn't matter how you spin it...the launch and reception of ESO has not been great at all.
can they turn it around I hope so...but I'm not gonna sugar coat it the same as I won't sugar coat my praise for the game if they get their shit together.
Meh.
They will sell some boxes at launch, mostly due to the IP/name, but lose 80% at the 6 month mark.
F2P in a year.
ESO is just TOR written small.
What do you mean no formal figures out yet? I thought the amount of beta registrations in teso were twice the amount of big macs eaten on daily basis <o>
An mmo is judged after six continues months after release and then the second judge comes after a year.
If it succeeds in this year then there is high potential for this game to do well in the upcoming years.
If not it goes free to play
You don't need him.
ESO will have 100 million subs before end of this year. That is my prediction. Why go small?
Lol.
Lol Knotwood is superb you leave him alone
We all need more Knotwood in our forum lives
He's probably at 70 million subs by end of year 1 now....
I think Elder Scrolls Online will be very successful due to the fact it's being released on PC, Xbox One and PS4. And it's being released early on for those console players; so they will get hooked/invested early on. Like how all the WoW players got hooked and never left. A new player base will likely emerge for Elder Scrolls Online.
Now will it grab a market majority or even plurality? No. Of course not. Not with WoW with 10X more subscribers out there plus all the other MMO competition.
Will ESO be the next 'big, successful' MMO? Yes. I think so. (and for that I mean you can be 5% of the MMO market these days and be #2 in terms of subscribers/income)
It's out for 4 days.
Get back to us in 3 months or so.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Elder scrolls isn't pc only, not sure why people are listing pre-orders for PC alone.
VGchartz listed pre-orders for NA for ESO (PC & Consoles) as 266,764.
Zenimax will probably gloat around the 1 month mark, same as most other companies.
See, this worked for SWTOR because most star wars fans are in fact not gamers. However, all ES fans are indeed gamers, so they're not as clueless to game developer tricks as SW fans were. Thats why SWTOR sold so many boxes, but ESO will not.
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