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[Column] Elder Scrolls Online: The Challenge is Welcome

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While there have been a few bumps in the road for the launch of The Elder Scrolls Online, these have been typical for MMOs. Launch has worked out mostly as anyone with MMO experience might expect, with some players experiencing issues, and some painful growing pains that began once the gates opened up to the masses. Yet this will concentrate more on some pain of a different kind - the kind inflicted upon players through gameplay.

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  • RemyVorenderRemyVorender Member RarePosts: 4,005
    I find the solo challenge of the game to be just hard enough where you have to pay attention or you're dead, which i think is perfect for solo PvE. I've died a quite a few times while learning the ins and outs of the game.

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  • WikileaksEUWikileaksEU Member UncommonPosts: 108

    As a Nightblade i recommend One-hand and Shield, Assassin, Shadow and Medium armor. 

    1. Assassin's Blade

    2. Shadow Cloak

    3. Veiled Strike

    4. Shield Charge

    5. Low Slash

    Ultimate: Death Stroke

     

    For second weapon set I'm going dual wield. Most likely it will be AoE, self heals and specced into siphoning.

  • WingedNazgulWingedNazgul Member UncommonPosts: 10

    Yeah, at level 10, as a 2-Hander Templar, this was my personal bugbear.  Attempts included 30 minute fights in which neither one of us could kill the other until I just gave up from frustration.  Switching to a bow made it a lot easier and I was able to down her with a minimum of fuss.

     

    I am told AOE is also a good option in order to kill her orbs ASAP as they do not have much health.

  • orionblackorionblack Member UncommonPosts: 493
    Originally posted by WikileaksEU

    As a Nightblade i recommend One-hand and Shield, Assassin, Shadow and Medium armor. 

    1. Assassin's Blade

    2. Shadow Cloak

    3. Veiled Strike

    4. Shield Charge

    5. Low Slash

    Ultimate: Death Stroke

     

    For second weapon set I'm going dual wield. Most likely it will be AoE, self heals and specced into siphoning.

    Omg haha I thought I was playing my NB wrong when I went shield/sword...good thing i'm not the only doing this. XD

  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Yeah the orbs have little health...basic attack kills in one hit
  • Yoda_CloneYoda_Clone Member Posts: 219
    Originally posted by DMKano

    If you are finding the game challenging:

    1. Your build is not very good

    2. You are doing something wrong

    Dragonmage resto/destro staff = solo skulls and world bosses 

    Single target = molten talons + any ranged weapon rinse and repeat = can solo group dungeon bosses with this

    If target can't be rooted - bubble + dots + kite 

     

    Getting swarmed by 10+ mobs - no problem AoE away, talons + fire breath + any destro staff AE

    If at any point get low - switch to resto bubble, heal

    With the right build the game is super easy.

     

     

     

    But this is the problem...

    I've tried three separate tanking builds with the Dragonknight class; three builds focused on tanking... and when it came to solo bosses, they didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of beating the bosses... even after outleveling the bosses significantly.

    If the character is not ranged; if the character can't heal itself; it's screwed.  Period.

    If the argument is that all builds must be ranged and have the ability to heal themselves, then it isn't that "you have a bad build"... it's that the game isn't BALANCED at all.

    Here's another case in point: the final boss (level 8) in the Wyrd tree chain of quests.  Soloed it easily on my healing build Templar.  It's a small area, so you can't kite the  boss; in any case, it casts a spell to pull you to it.  My tanking build DragonKnight?  Didn't have a chance.  Never even got it halfway down in strength.

    Why?

    Key reason: a lot of the tank's key skills were neutered.  Crowd control skills didn't work at all; the boss couldn't be knocked down; it couldn't be stunned; it couldn't be immobilized.  EVEN THE TANK'S ULTIMATE SKILL (a major damage dealing skill) HAD NO EFFECT!!!

    This is not the only boss where I've found this problem.

    My Templar can handle anything.  The DPS isn't that good, but it can heal through anything.  It has good ranged attacks.

    My NightBlade can handle anything.  Its DPS is solid and (with Siphoning skills) it can heal itself.  It has great ranged attacks.

    My Sorceror can handle anything.  It has very high DPS, even though it can't heal itself.  It may die once or twice, but it will eventually win.  It has fantastic ranged attacks.

    My tank?  Forget about it.  It isn't ranged at all... except for those skills that have been neutered.

    Isn't balancing one of the things a development team is supposed to do during Beta?  What happened?

     
  • rafalex007rafalex007 Member Posts: 244
    Originally posted by DMKano

    If you are finding the game challenging:

    1. Your build is not very good

    2. You are doing something wrong

    Dragonmage resto/destro staff = solo skulls and world bosses 

    Single target = molten talons + any ranged weapon rinse and repeat = can solo group dungeon bosses with this

    If target can't be rooted - bubble + dots + kite 

     

    Getting swarmed by 10+ mobs - no problem AoE away, talons + fire breath + any destro staff AE

    If at any point get low - switch to resto bubble, heal

    With the right build the game is super easy.

     

     

     

    with all respect i think your are trying so hard to bash this game

     

    if you dont really like it just quit

  • AroukosAroukos Member Posts: 571
    Originally posted by DMKano

    If you are finding the game challenging:

    1. Your build is not very good

    2. You are doing something wrong

    Dragonmage resto/destro staff = solo skulls and world bosses 

    Single target = molten talons + any ranged weapon rinse and repeat = can solo group dungeon bosses with this

    If target can't be rooted - bubble + dots + kite 

     

    Getting swarmed by 10+ mobs - no problem AoE away, talons + fire breath + any destro staff AE

    If at any point get low - switch to resto bubble, heal

    With the right build the game is super easy.

     

     

     

     

    Very challenging...

  • gwei1984gwei1984 Member UncommonPosts: 413
    Originally posted by DMKano

    If you are finding the game challenging:

    1. Your build is not very good

    2. You are doing something wrong

    Dragonmage resto/destro staff = solo skulls and world bosses 

    Single target = molten talons + any ranged weapon rinse and repeat = can solo group dungeon bosses with this

    If target can't be rooted - bubble + dots + kite 

     

    Getting swarmed by 10+ mobs - no problem AoE away, talons + fire breath + any destro staff AE

    If at any point get low - switch to resto bubble, heal

    With the right build the game is super easy.

     

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  • ArndushArndush Member Posts: 303
    Originally posted by DMKano

    If you are finding the game challenging:

    1. Your build is not very good

    2. You are doing something wrong

    Dragonmage resto/destro staff = solo skulls and world bosses 

    Single target = molten talons + any ranged weapon rinse and repeat = can solo group dungeon bosses with this

    If target can't be rooted - bubble + dots + kite 

     

    Getting swarmed by 10+ mobs - no problem AoE away, talons + fire breath + any destro staff AE

    If at any point get low - switch to resto bubble, heal

    With the right build the game is super easy.

     

     

     

    Ahh...there is my moon faced assassin of joy.

  • SatsunoryuSatsunoryu Member UncommonPosts: 285

    I will just throw in there, WoW has really dumbed down their game and dungeons/questing are seriously laughable.  My 4-year-old niece can get to level 40 (so far) no problem with full broken gear :P.  Point I'm trying to make is, it's definitely a good thing if the game feels relatively challenging!  WoW has become the comparison model for all things themepark MMO, and they have simply made the game too easy.  Here's to companies moving away from easy and giving us something fun and challenging to do!

    Note:  I do not play ESO myself, but doesn't mean I can't share in the props.  ;)

     
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Wow, I'm glade I'm not the only one :p
  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Member UncommonPosts: 3,713
    Best part about doing a bad build in this game is it's easy and fun to just start over. No respeccing needed! Just change directions.

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  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Member UncommonPosts: 3,713
    And min maxers will make every game easy. My brother is one of those people. There is literally no challenge in any game ever for him because he's so good at min maxing his character he removes all the difficulty completely.

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  • GravargGravarg Member UncommonPosts: 3,424

    I've done it on several builds.  My Bow NS was by far the easiest, I kited her around, and was dead before she even transformed.  Templar Tank was pretty easy as well.  I just destroyed her health with puncture debuff + puncturing strikes.  This combo works well and kills just about anything with 1 puncture and 1 puncturing strikes, maybe a few more for bosses like Doshia.  The main ones I had problems with were my specialized characters.  Like my pure Resto Templar.  I only have 2 attacks other than my staff (Resto staff damage sucks lol), the fight took forever, but I finally got her down.  My pure damage DK 2hander.  I have no healing except potions, and found myself either going woefully ineffective or destroyed her.

     

    The trick to her is to keep moving around her as melee, then when she summons the orbs, completely ignore her, and kill the orbs asap.  It's not too hard once you've done it a few times though :) I've done it 5 times, on all my Dominion Characters :)

  • AnthurAnthur Member UncommonPosts: 961

    I knew I would manage to pick up probably the worst build. DK with one hand/shield and bow as secondary weapon.

    But I don't really care. I am only lvl 17 but so far I have managed to kill everything I encountered. Needed some thinking sometimes and I died more often than others I guess, but hey, no biggie.

    It's just  that imo a tank should have a shield and I really don't like those staffs and the nuking. Just not my style. So I play what I like and not what is the most efficient build. My fault. ;)

  • kakasakikakasaki Member UncommonPosts: 1,205
    Originally posted by Anthur

    I knew I would manage to pick up probably the worst build. DK with one hand/shield and bow as secondary weapon.

    But I don't really care. I am only lvl 17 but so far I have managed to kill everything I encountered. Needed some thinking sometimes and I died more often than others I guess, but hey, no biggie.

    It's just  that imo a tank should have a shield and I really don't like those staffs and the nuking. Just not my style. So I play what I like and not what is the most efficient build. My fault. ;)

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  • ArndushArndush Member Posts: 303
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Arndush
    Originally posted by DMKano

    If you are finding the game challenging:

    1. Your build is not very good

    2. You are doing something wrong

    Dragonmage resto/destro staff = solo skulls and world bosses 

    Single target = molten talons + any ranged weapon rinse and repeat = can solo group dungeon bosses with this

    If target can't be rooted - bubble + dots + kite 

     

    Getting swarmed by 10+ mobs - no problem AoE away, talons + fire breath + any destro staff AE

    If at any point get low - switch to resto bubble, heal

    With the right build the game is super easy.

     

     

     

    Ahh...there is my moon faced assassin of joy.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Yoda_Clone
    Originally posted by DMKano

    If you are finding the game challenging:

    1. Your build is not very good

    2. You are doing something wrong

    Dragonmage resto/destro staff = solo skulls and world bosses 

    Single target = molten talons + any ranged weapon rinse and repeat = can solo group dungeon bosses with this

    If target can't be rooted - bubble + dots + kite 

     

    Getting swarmed by 10+ mobs - no problem AoE away, talons + fire breath + any destro staff AE

    If at any point get low - switch to resto bubble, heal

    With the right build the game is super easy.

     

     

     

    Here's another case in point: the final boss (level 8) in the Wyrd tree chain of quests.  Soloed it easily on my healing build Templar.  It's a small area, so you can't kite the  boss; in any case, it casts a spell to pull you to it.  My tanking build DragonKnight?  Didn't have a chance.  Never even got it halfway down in strength.

    Are you talking about the fight where you have to step into the protective light so you don't get insta killed?

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by rafalex007
    Originally posted by DMKano

    If you are finding the game challenging:

    1. Your build is not very good

    2. You are doing something wrong

    Dragonmage resto/destro staff = solo skulls and world bosses 

    Single target = molten talons + any ranged weapon rinse and repeat = can solo group dungeon bosses with this

    If target can't be rooted - bubble + dots + kite 

     

    Getting swarmed by 10+ mobs - no problem AoE away, talons + fire breath + any destro staff AE

    If at any point get low - switch to resto bubble, heal

    With the right build the game is super easy.

     

     

     

    with all respect i think your are trying so hard to bash this game

     

    if you dont really like it just quit

    Huh?

    I love ESO - the PvP is very awesome and fun to me.

    PvE is a complete /faceroll - my guild group (yes they are all DKs) - we are at lvl 45 now - we've done all group dungeons in every faction without a SINGLE death period.

    I am not joking.

    But we all use good builds - so again /faceroll.

    You should look up the word "bashing" - it doesn't mean what you think it means.

    If you have any issues with me or my posts - report me to the mods please.

     

    Burning talons + the AOE from wall of elements is nasty in PVE... so what you going to use for PVP when they don't rush you as a group in a straight line? :)

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  • Goat61Goat61 Member Posts: 3

    I don't understand why anyone would put forced solo play into an MMO. 

    TSW had it and it was a real problem for my friends who don't play as often or as well.  We never finished the main quest line because of that. 

    Could they make the solo encounters easier for less-skilled  players to win without the otherwise constant support of their friends?  Maybe, if we hadn't all already decided to spend our money someplace else!

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by rafalex007
    Originally posted by DMKano

    If you are finding the game challenging:

    1. Your build is not very good

    2. You are doing something wrong

    Dragonmage resto/destro staff = solo skulls and world bosses 

    Single target = molten talons + any ranged weapon rinse and repeat = can solo group dungeon bosses with this

    If target can't be rooted - bubble + dots + kite 

     

    Getting swarmed by 10+ mobs - no problem AoE away, talons + fire breath + any destro staff AE

    If at any point get low - switch to resto bubble, heal

    With the right build the game is super easy.

     

     

     

    with all respect i think your are trying so hard to bash this game

     

    if you dont really like it just quit

    Huh?

    I love ESO - the PvP is very awesome and fun to me.

    PvE is a complete /faceroll - my guild group (yes they are all DKs) - we are at lvl 45 now - we've done all group dungeons in every faction without a SINGLE death period.

    I am not joking.

    But we all use good builds - so again /faceroll.

    You should look up the word "bashing" - it doesn't mean what you think it means.

    If you have any issues with me or my posts - report me to the mods please.

     

    Burning talons + the AOE from wall of elements is nasty in PVE... so what you going to use for PVP when they don't rush you as a group in a straight line? :)

    Eeeeexatcly, min/maxed pve zone builds probably wont cut it in Cyrodiil. 

  • Sk1ppeRSk1ppeR Member Posts: 511

    Hmmm, "news" writter, maybe you should try soloing giganticus lupicus in Gw2 if you want to urge your sense of success. 

    The article says that you haven't felt that in awhile. My opinion is ... you never really tried to get that sense of accomplishment. And then you guys complain about themeparks hand holding you, but the bottom line is, you can find challenge in every single MMO out there. Even ROSE Online. What you said is bullshit. The whole article is meaningless praise of TESO. 

    You on payroll mate? 

  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652

    I do not understand people saying this pve is anymore of a challenge than say wows pve, its basically the exact same thing or even guild wars 2 watch for big attack calls and dont stand in red circles.... If you are spec'd for complete healer use your brain and understand why you are not killing anything. Also I have a nightblade tank and dragonknight tank and both use limited ranged with full melee attacks. That being said Ive only died a few times because of not paying attention and have had no problems soloing boss mobs or packs of mobs, so not sure why tanks are complaining about dying. Also any build in pve that has some self healing or crowd control will have no issues soloing though some are faster than others. 

    You can do a two handed tank nightblade build with siphoning and heavy armor AKA reaver or death knight and faceroll everything. Hell even the orb boss on the fighters guild questline dies in about 6 to 8 hits. Just stop trying to specialize your characters to play one set way and actually set it up to survive instead... Also like others have said if you plan to pvp with most of these builds good luck hope you like dying a lot because burst dps is the king out there and cc....

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    Originally posted by Iselin

     

    Burning talons + the AOE from wall of elements is nasty in PVE... so what you going to use for PVP when they don't rush you as a group in a straight line? :)

    I'm starting to think I should have rolled a Dragon Knight over a Templar.

    As far as pve and pvp skills, wouldn't one just swap out their skills?

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