I imagine these are the same people that get really upset at collectors edition stuff. Those are not for everyone. You don't have to buy anything! The game is F2P. Pay what you want - that's the whole point.
Comparing Russia prices to US prices is just... really really stupid. Do you complain that in Thailand you can get a huge meal for like $2 but in the US the same meal would probably cost $10?? How do you even sleep at night haha.
Heh, what really silly, is comparing Real Life merchandise, which requres you to physicly move to another country, with Internet Merchandise, which you can buy with a credit card while sitting at home.
It's the country's economy and what they can afford though, internet or not. Do you post similar threads for every game released in Russia, or other countries for that matter? Everything is cheaper in Russia if you compare the cost to US. For digital purchases or real life goods. :P
Ok question. Can someone in the States play the RU version without using a VPN or something else to mask my IP? I wouldnt mind spending $20 to try the game out and see if its for me and then later buy the early access for US.
Originally posted by Creatorzim Ok question. Can someone in the States play the RU version without using a VPN or something else to mask my IP? I wouldnt mind spending $20 to try the game out and see if its for me and then later buy the early access for US.
I believe you can currently, but XL Games has threatened to block IPs or ban accounts. The lag can be pretty bad, but from what I've read it's playable.
I imagine these are the same people that get really upset at collectors edition stuff. Those are not for everyone. You don't have to buy anything! The game is F2P. Pay what you want - that's the whole point.
Comparing Russia prices to US prices is just... really really stupid. Do you complain that in Thailand you can get a huge meal for like $2 but in the US the same meal would probably cost $10?? How do you even sleep at night haha.
Heh, what really silly, is comparing Real Life merchandise, which requres you to physicly move to another country, with Internet Merchandise, which you can buy with a credit card while sitting at home.
It's the country's economy and what they can afford though, internet or not. Do you post similar threads for every game released in Russia, or other countries for that matter? Everything is cheaper in Russia if you compare the cost to US. For digital purchases or real life goods. :P
Who cares what state of economy is Russia find it self in. Russian's AA Early access pack was available to everyone around the World. So 2 month ago Archeage Early access costed 17$, Trion version costs 49,99$ - difference is noticable.
If you want to ignore this reality, and pay higher prices for the same product, that's your silly choice. The game is the same, only in Russian Version you are paying 8$ a month for sub, in Trion its 15$.
I imagine these are the same people that get really upset at collectors edition stuff. Those are not for everyone. You don't have to buy anything! The game is F2P. Pay what you want - that's the whole point.
Comparing Russia prices to US prices is just... really really stupid. Do you complain that in Thailand you can get a huge meal for like $2 but in the US the same meal would probably cost $10?? How do you even sleep at night haha.
Heh, what really silly, is comparing Real Life merchandise, which requres you to physicly move to another country, with Internet Merchandise, which you can buy with a credit card while sitting at home.
It's the country's economy and what they can afford though, internet or not. Do you post similar threads for every game released in Russia, or other countries for that matter? Everything is cheaper in Russia if you compare the cost to US. For digital purchases or real life goods. :P
Who cares what state of economy is Russia find it self in. Russian's AA Early access pack was available to everyone around the World. So 2 month ago Archeage Early access costed 17$, Trion version costs 49,99$ - difference is noticable.
If you want to ignore this reality, and pay higher prices for the same product, that's your silly choice. The game is the same, only in Russian Version you are paying 8$ a month for sub, in Trion its 15$.
It's for the Russian version. This is the US version. Plus, XL Games has threatened to ban accounts or block IPs for folks in US trying to play on Russian servers. As mentioned before, you're welcome to play on those servers if you don't want to pay the US prices. Again, every product is going to be priced differently based on country. If you want to play there, enjoy the lag and lack of communication.
I imagine these are the same people that get really upset at collectors edition stuff. Those are not for everyone. You don't have to buy anything! The game is F2P. Pay what you want - that's the whole point.
Comparing Russia prices to US prices is just... really really stupid. Do you complain that in Thailand you can get a huge meal for like $2 but in the US the same meal would probably cost $10?? How do you even sleep at night haha.
Heh, what really silly, is comparing Real Life merchandise, which requres you to physicly move to another country, with Internet Merchandise, which you can buy with a credit card while sitting at home.
It's the country's economy and what they can afford though, internet or not. Do you post similar threads for every game released in Russia, or other countries for that matter? Everything is cheaper in Russia if you compare the cost to US. For digital purchases or real life goods. :P
Who cares what state of economy is Russia find it self in. Russian's AA Early access pack was available to everyone around the World. So 2 month ago Archeage Early access costed 17$, Trion version costs 49,99$ - difference is noticable.
If you want to ignore this reality, and pay higher prices for the same product, that's your silly choice. The game is the same, only in Russian Version you are paying 8$ a month for sub, in Trion its 15$.
You are also paying for customer service. If Trion is employing 100 people to work on stuff and XL is only employing 10 there is going to be a big difference in how things are fixed and handled.
When your account gets hacked and it takes days to get a response from XL and only hours from Trion, how would you rate your experience? Which one would you choose to stay with?
When you run into a bug that is very annoying to deal with would you rather it take days or weeks?
There is tons of things I spend more money on just to make sure I get good service.
This is of course just speculation. You also have bigger servers which will cost more.
I find it funny that people on here are like "well, that's russia and it's based on their economies" but whenever the UK or Australia have to pay more then people of NA then they flip their shit which no one defends with "well, it's their economies".
I imagine these are the same people that get really upset at collectors edition stuff. Those are not for everyone. You don't have to buy anything! The game is F2P. Pay what you want - that's the whole point.
Comparing Russia prices to US prices is just... really really stupid. Do you complain that in Thailand you can get a huge meal for like $2 but in the US the same meal would probably cost $10?? How do you even sleep at night haha.
Heh, what really silly, is comparing Real Life merchandise, which requres you to physicly move to another country, with Internet Merchandise, which you can buy with a credit card while sitting at home.
It's the country's economy and what they can afford though, internet or not. Do you post similar threads for every game released in Russia, or other countries for that matter? Everything is cheaper in Russia if you compare the cost to US. For digital purchases or real life goods. :P
Who cares what state of economy is Russia find it self in. Russian's AA Early access pack was available to everyone around the World. So 2 month ago Archeage Early access costed 17$, Trion version costs 49,99$ - difference is noticable.
If you want to ignore this reality, and pay higher prices for the same product, that's your silly choice. The game is the same, only in Russian Version you are paying 8$ a month for sub, in Trion its 15$.
It's for the Russian version. This is the US version. Plus, XL Games has threatened to ban accounts or block IPs for folks in US trying to play on Russian servers. As mentioned before, you're welcome to play on those servers if you don't want to pay the US prices. Again, every product is going to be priced differently based on country. If you want to play there, enjoy the lag and lack of communication.
If you ever played LOTRO, you might remember how lots of EU players lost their accounts, when EU Publisher closed down their LOTRO support, and EU account could not be transfered to USA Publisher/developer with out authorization from the accounts owners. Same way XL games doesn't have access to Mail.ru accounts.
Who cares what state of economy is Russia find it self in. Russian's AA Early access pack was available to everyone around the World. So 2 month ago Archeage Early access costed 17$, Trion version costs 49,99$ - difference is noticable.
If you want to ignore this reality, and pay higher prices for the same product, that's your silly choice. The game is the same, only in Russian Version you are paying 8$ a month for sub, in Trion its 15$.
You are also paying for customer service. If Trion is employing 100 people to work on stuff and XL is only employing 10 there is going to be a big difference in how things are fixed and handled.
When your account gets hacked and it takes days to get a response from XL and only hours from Trion, how would you rate your experience? Which one would you choose to stay with?
When you run into a bug that is very annoying to deal with would you rather it take days or weeks?
There is tons of things I spend more money on just to make sure I get good service.
This is of course just speculation. You also have bigger servers which will cost more.
Right, Trion that has fired all of its international CM's recently, will have 100 people working on customer support - can i have what you are smoking?
Russian Archeage, is published by Mail.ru not XL Games.
And neither Trion nor Mail.ru have access to Development part of the game, so if the bug is discovered, they both would have to send it to XL Games in Korea for it to be fixed.
Originally posted by Sector13 I find it funny that people on here are like "well, that's russia and it's based on their economies" but whenever the UK or Australia have to pay more then people of NA then they flip their shit which no one defends with "well, it's their economies".
Yeah, EU always pays more then USA for the same stuff. I mean Hello! Has anyone looked at Greece recently? We aren't that rich in EU.
I swear EU looks more and more like democratic version of Soviet Union.
I can not believe the ammount of people that defend the price for digital trinkets.
150$ and you are not getting your monies worth, plain and simple.
11,500 credits you can just buy for the 75$.
The 3 months sub isnt 45$ (3x15$), its 14x3 = which is 42$. Longer sub = lower monthly cost.
The glider is mediocre at best and anyone can get one by level 10-15.
The armor outfit, not really important, as there will be tons of sets of costumes.
The cloak, +3 to stats. But how long will that last? Normally you replace these items pretty fast.
A title. which "trialblazer" seems pretty poor name for a high roller paying 150$.
6 boxes........... 6 boxes with .001% to get a mount, and usually offers garbage (see Rift).
None of this 150$ founders pack is worth the 150$.
I can pay 75$ for the credits, and 42$ for the 3 month sub and still get the rest of those items in game. And wont even pay close to what you did. Especially when they have sales on coins/credits and cheaper yearly subscription (Rift 12 months = 99$).
Should have been more worthwhile items in for 150. Like free home, lower rent items, something to help regen labour points faster or have more, extra bag space, personal banker, fast mount, etc that would actually help your game. THis is why its bad to just throw money at companies trying to milk you.
And I cn almost guarantee you there will be some beta or pre-launch packages with much better stuff in them. Seems thats the way of companies lately. Charge a lot for nothing, then come up new packages with more crap in them to try to get even more money, in the long run screw over the 150$ guys. And often cheaper than the original price. Have seen this happen in a lot of games lately.
I was in the Alpha before the Founders Packs were introduced. There was plenty of them bought, (Because the server is booming with players everywhere) so really if you don't want to buy it, you don't need too. I feel that the Gold $99.99 is the best one that is offered, but that is just my opinion. As for all the stuff included, yeah I wouldn't say its top notch or anything, but its up to the player if they want to spend that much. It might be worth it to them? All three bundles off the 4-day start, which is super important.
Also, you can't compare another game. Especially one that has been around for awhile, so they have to come up with new offers to try and keep people to sub, and reward those that have been subbing for awhile a lower rate, etc. The game has been around for awhile, and I bet we won't see an offer like that till months, maybe a year or two down the road for AA.
Originally posted by Jonas_SG
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Jonas_SG
Originally posted by funks
of course if they make a pack for 20 bucks ill have allot of people buying but maybe we should wait for it.
I agree, the current Trion packs are very unfaire since they are forcing players to buy Cash shop credit in order to get in a headstart.
Never knew Trion could be so Evil. It's almost they are the Next EA.
/facepalm
The game will be FREE to play, oh so evil, so unfair.
Do you honestly not see the absurdity in your post?
Since you obviolsy didn't payed enough attention when you played the game, Headstart is the key in this game, else you would have known that.
Since F2P doesn't offer a headstart, you are forced to pick one of the founder packs to get a fair chance at placing farms in the best spots, and racing to 50 to become dominant guild on the server.
So forcing on to players a Cash shop credit while offering a Headstart is Evil, and it is unnesseserely. It is something a money grab companies like EA would do.
I always though of Trion better then the way they are handling ArcheAge so far.
You seem like a knowledgeable person about MMO's, but also about being a F2P player. Remember people that are spending money, are going to receive more, plain and simple. You aren't contributing to the game (with your wallet) unless you are a paying member. Otherwise you are just along for the ride, anywhere the bus goes. The ability to allow you to play is pretty much a basic test of the game to allow you to see if its worth paying for. Which, I feel this game is worth a sub, so I will probably sub to it.
You are correct, the 4-day advance, is very key! Again, you are paying for this extra bonus, you don't need it to play the game, but it will help indeed. As for placing your farms, there are different cities, and locations to do so. Dominant guild, I really can't say that I have seen any bonus from being in a guild right now. Yeah, its always nice to be the top guild, but AA hasn't shown me a lot of bonus to be in a guild. I am just in a small guild currently and we work together in achieving everything we need, resources, trade runs, etc. I know later on the whole castle thing would be awesome, but really it just takes a lot of time and patience to achieve all of that.
As for money grab companies, yeah every company is out to make money, but since this is a F2P game, I feel a lot of people will wait till Live to play anyways. Not all Gamers jump into a game right off the bat to max lvl, etc. This game is going to be a long progression style of game. I find myself with not enough time, labor, and resources to accomplish a lot within a day. It takes a lot of organizing to have a great day in getting tasks accomplished.
I was in the Alpha before the Founders Packs were introduced. There was plenty of them bought, (Because the server is booming with players everywhere) so really if you don't want to buy it, you don't need too. I feel that the Gold $99.99 is the best one that is offered, but that is just my opinion. As for all the stuff included, yeah I wouldn't say its top notch or anything, but its up to the player if they want to spend that much. It might be worth it to them? All three bundles off the 4-day start, which is super important.
Also, you can't compare another game. Especially one that has been around for awhile, so they have to come up with new offers to try and keep people to sub, and reward those that have been subbing for awhile a lower rate, etc. The game has been around for awhile, and I bet we won't see an offer like that till months, maybe a year or two down the road for AA.
Originally posted by Jonas_SG
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Jonas_SG
Originally posted by funks
of course if they make a pack for 20 bucks ill have allot of people buying but maybe we should wait for it.
I agree, the current Trion packs are very unfaire since they are forcing players to buy Cash shop credit in order to get in a headstart.
Never knew Trion could be so Evil. It's almost they are the Next EA.
/facepalm
The game will be FREE to play, oh so evil, so unfair.
Do you honestly not see the absurdity in your post?
Since you obviolsy didn't payed enough attention when you played the game, Headstart is the key in this game, else you would have known that.
Since F2P doesn't offer a headstart, you are forced to pick one of the founder packs to get a fair chance at placing farms in the best spots, and racing to 50 to become dominant guild on the server.
So forcing on to players a Cash shop credit while offering a Headstart is Evil, and it is unnesseserely. It is something a money grab companies like EA would do.
I always though of Trion better then the way they are handling ArcheAge so far.
You seem like a knowledgeable person about MMO's, but also about being a F2P player. Remember people that are spending money, are going to receive more, plain and simple. You aren't contributing to the game (with your wallet) unless you are a paying member. Otherwise you are just along for the ride, anywhere the bus goes. The ability to allow you to play is pretty much a basic test of the game to allow you to see if its worth paying for. Which, I feel this game is worth a sub, so I will probably sub to it.
You are correct, the 4-day advance, is very key! Again, you are paying for this extra bonus, you don't need it to play the game, but it will help indeed. As for placing your farms, there are different cities, and locations to do so. Dominant guild, I really can't say that I have seen any bonus from being in a guild right now. Yeah, its always nice to be the top guild, but AA hasn't shown me a lot of bonus to be in a guild. I am just in a small guild currently and we work together in achieving everything we need, resources, trade runs, etc. I know later on the whole castle thing would be awesome, but really it just takes a lot of time and patience to achieve all of that.
As for money grab companies, yeah every company is out to make money, but since this is a F2P game, I feel a lot of people will wait till Live to play anyways. Not all Gamers jump into a game right off the bat to max lvl, etc. This game is going to be a long progression style of game. I find myself with not enough time, labor, and resources to accomplish a lot within a day. It takes a lot of organizing to have a great day in getting tasks accomplished.
The thing is, if Trion had removed the Cash shop cerdits from the Founder packs, it would have made them more apealing, since i would want a 4 day headstart.
However playing 49,99$ for a F2P MMO - that i have already access to via Russian Publisher - it's just not so appealing.
It's like they are trying to sell a used car for a Price of a new one. - maybe not the best anology, but somehting like that.
The thing is, if Trion had removed the Cash shop cerdits from the Founder packs, it would have made them more apealing, since i would want a 4 day headstart.
However playing 49,99$ for a F2P MMO - that i have already access to via Russian Publisher - it's just not so appealing.
It's like they are trying to sell a used car for a Price of a new one. - maybe not the best anology, but somehting like that.
I would recommend you not purchase it then. Only you can judge what is of value to you. If the perks aren't enough then just go the F2P route. You won't get the headstart, but this game will be around for years if it does well. There will be many folks that play months and months after release, so 4 days isn't really all that important if that that's the only thing you're drawn to in those packs.
I was in the Alpha before the Founders Packs were introduced. There was plenty of them bought, (Because the server is booming with players everywhere) so really if you don't want to buy it, you don't need too. I feel that the Gold $99.99 is the best one that is offered, but that is just my opinion. As for all the stuff included, yeah I wouldn't say its top notch or anything, but its up to the player if they want to spend that much. It might be worth it to them? All three bundles off the 4-day start, which is super important.
Also, you can't compare another game. Especially one that has been around for awhile, so they have to come up with new offers to try and keep people to sub, and reward those that have been subbing for awhile a lower rate, etc. The game has been around for awhile, and I bet we won't see an offer like that till months, maybe a year or two down the road for AA.
Originally posted by Jonas_SG
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Jonas_SG
Originally posted by funks
of course if they make a pack for 20 bucks ill have allot of people buying but maybe we should wait for it.
I agree, the current Trion packs are very unfaire since they are forcing players to buy Cash shop credit in order to get in a headstart.
Never knew Trion could be so Evil. It's almost they are the Next EA.
/facepalm
The game will be FREE to play, oh so evil, so unfair.
Do you honestly not see the absurdity in your post?
Since you obviolsy didn't payed enough attention when you played the game, Headstart is the key in this game, else you would have known that.
Since F2P doesn't offer a headstart, you are forced to pick one of the founder packs to get a fair chance at placing farms in the best spots, and racing to 50 to become dominant guild on the server.
So forcing on to players a Cash shop credit while offering a Headstart is Evil, and it is unnesseserely. It is something a money grab companies like EA would do.
I always though of Trion better then the way they are handling ArcheAge so far.
You seem like a knowledgeable person about MMO's, but also about being a F2P player. Remember people that are spending money, are going to receive more, plain and simple. You aren't contributing to the game (with your wallet) unless you are a paying member. Otherwise you are just along for the ride, anywhere the bus goes. The ability to allow you to play is pretty much a basic test of the game to allow you to see if its worth paying for. Which, I feel this game is worth a sub, so I will probably sub to it.
You are correct, the 4-day advance, is very key! Again, you are paying for this extra bonus, you don't need it to play the game, but it will help indeed. As for placing your farms, there are different cities, and locations to do so. Dominant guild, I really can't say that I have seen any bonus from being in a guild right now. Yeah, its always nice to be the top guild, but AA hasn't shown me a lot of bonus to be in a guild. I am just in a small guild currently and we work together in achieving everything we need, resources, trade runs, etc. I know later on the whole castle thing would be awesome, but really it just takes a lot of time and patience to achieve all of that.
As for money grab companies, yeah every company is out to make money, but since this is a F2P game, I feel a lot of people will wait till Live to play anyways. Not all Gamers jump into a game right off the bat to max lvl, etc. This game is going to be a long progression style of game. I find myself with not enough time, labor, and resources to accomplish a lot within a day. It takes a lot of organizing to have a great day in getting tasks accomplished.
The thing is, if Trion had removed the Cash shop cerdits from the Founder packs, it would have made them more apealing, since i would want a 4 day headstart.
However playing 49,99$ for a F2P MMO - that i have already access to via Russian Publisher - it's just not so appealing.
It's like they are trying to sell a used car for a Price of a new one. - maybe not the best anology, but somehting like that.
You are making a big deal out of different pricing from another country compared to US pricing? okay your points seem solid everything is cheaper and feels better in russian AA. And if so, who cares? Americans will play AA in US version as all americans do. I have 6 friends who bought the 150$ alpha access as i bought the silver 50$ access just for beta.
Have you recently watched a alpha stream. It is stupid packed and insanely popular at this time, with that I assume over hundreds of people bought the 150$ alpha pack even if it is a F2P game.
The perks could have been better as I have seen some people argue on it so there I agree. But your right with the Head start. This game can get very serious and if taken serious players can take advantage of so much opportunities.
Back to russian AA okay so its cheaper etc, go play over there then? Are you from Europe, if so go over there then. Americans do not usually play foreign games but i know plenty do for the experience of trying the game even if there is big ping lag related or the biggest in my opinion, different language. Even so companies are trying to lock other countries from playing its' game, the US has been blocked by many korean mmorpgs. So in the end why try to force playing over there when we will get it eventually.
No matter the pricing, we will even pay the highest bid to play the games we love, guess we dont give a s*** about how much things cost nowadays
As far as I can see youre funding a snails pace translation of an extremely well established game. The millions? before you in other countries have already founded this game. At this point calling it a founders pack seems shady.
Maybe Im just bitter from Trions last outing with Defiance and its consistently shrinking DLC's.
If you have the Russian Version and keep referencing it, then why wouldn't you want to keep playing that? You were never forced to play that version, and not everyone has. This is the official English version and their the publisher. You can either play more than other people, or just let time allow you to catch up. Not everyone is a hardcore gamer. ArcheAge is going to be a good way to bring both Hardcore/Casual Gamers together because of the economy set style.
Either way, no one is forcing you to play this version over the other. It's kinda like getting gas in a country that has it cheap because they can, vs. USA that changes the price because they can/want too lol. I figure it this way, you can play for free, or you can pay? Do what you want, no one is making you play this version. That's really all I can say. Nothing is fair in life lol
You are making a big deal out of different pricing from another country compared to US pricing? okay your points seem solid everything is cheaper and feels better in russian AA. And if so, who cares? Americans will play AA in US version as all americans do. I have 6 friends who bought the 150$ alpha access as i bought the silver 50$ access just for beta.
Have you recently watched a alpha stream. It is stupid packed and insanely popular at this time, with that I assume over hundreds of people bought the 150$ alpha pack even if it is a F2P game.
The perks could have been better as I have seen some people argue on it so there I agree. But your right with the Head start. This game can get very serious and if taken serious players can take advantage of so much opportunities.
Back to russian AA okay so its cheaper etc, go play over there then? Are you from Europe, if so go over there then. Americans do not usually play foreign games but i know plenty do for the experience of trying the game even if there is big ping lag related or the biggest in my opinion, different language. Even so companies are trying to lock other countries from playing its' game, the US has been blocked by many korean mmorpgs. So in the end why try to force playing over there when we will get it eventually.
No matter the pricing, we will even pay the highest bid to play the games we love, guess we dont give a s*** about how much things cost nowadays
Role Playing is the reason i am interested in this game. You can own land, build Castles and create even your own faction .
I want to join headstart but i don't want to pay 50$ for it. - it's outrages. Trions AA needs a cheaper version, with Headstart.
Originally posted by Acotto1 ArcheAge is going to be a good way to bring both Hardcore/Casual Gamers together because of the economy set style.
For the first month and then the P2W aspects set in. Trion has only announced they are not keeping one of them, the rest are remaining. As is, Japans version stands the only chance of being P2W free they are trying to work out how they can do it, but that could take months and by then could lose most of its players.
AA has one major flaw, its a Korean made game, and now its a Korean made game that's F2P with P2W features.
Headstart is very important because of Server lock-downs during headstar of Archeage.
In Russia, they locked down their servers for over two weeks, so it made it really difficult for F2P players to join there guilds and friends. Some guilds were even forced to switch servers because most of there members were locked out from their Guild server.
It has to do with the limited number of places for farms and houses pr server.
Just wanted to remind players when Russia got AA what were the prices like:
Russian Early Access pack:
Access to CBT ( Closed Beta Test )
40-day Sub.
6 Days early Access to the game.
Title "Pioneer" +1 to all stats
Cloak " Pioneer " + 1 to all stats.
1x reagent to put your own crest in game.
5x indelible ink
3x Collectable coins.
Total Price = 600 rubles = 17 $
Price for 1 month Sub = 300 rubles = 8,3 $
Price for 3 Month Sub = 800 Rubles = 22,22 $
Trions Founder pack:
SILVER - $49.99
Beta Access
2,500 Credits ($20 Value)
4-Day Patron Head Start
Title: "Founder"
30-Day Patron Status
Experimental Glider
Compared to Russian: $49.99 - $20 (credits) = $29.99
For extra $13 you get a Glider but lose 10 Days on your sub, you do not get a Cloak of " Pioneer ", you do not get 1x reagent, 5x Ink and 3 Collectable Coins.
I'd say Trion need to rethink there founder packs and add some more stuff to them.
if they had a similar to Russian's pack i would buy one, but so much money, for something which will be come free and i dont trust too much, no i dont give them : ]
I don't undestrand why people are surpised by the prices. Russian rubles and general cost of life is way lower then west. The russian pack gave only acces to obt and not cbt too, it didn't give ingame currency either. Rest of the items are crap like the Eu version. Ofc if Trion adds more item i'd be happy too. But comparing these two releases is pointless without considering how diferent dollars are to rubles and the different cost of life. What you need to rethink is how to compare the two packages.
Originally posted by An4thor I don't undestrand why people are surpised by the prices. Russian rubles and general cost of life is way lower then west. The russian pack gave only acces to obt and not cbt too, it didn't give ingame currency either. Rest of the items are crap like the Eu version. Ofc if Trion adds more item i'd be happy too. But comparing these two releases is pointless without considering how diferent dollars are to rubles and the different cost of life. What you need to rethink is how to compare the two packages.
The Russian early access pack gave access to CBT, because OBT (22 february, or 16th february for players with Early access) was the official release for the Russian version of Archeage.
You would have known that if you have played the game.
Originally posted by An4thor I don't undestrand why people are surpised by the prices. Russian rubles and general cost of life is way lower then west. The russian pack gave only acces to obt and not cbt too, it didn't give ingame currency either. Rest of the items are crap like the Eu version. Ofc if Trion adds more item i'd be happy too. But comparing these two releases is pointless without considering how diferent dollars are to rubles and the different cost of life. What you need to rethink is how to compare the two packages.
The Russian early access pack gave access to CBT, because OBT (22 february, or 16th february for players with Early access) was the official release for the Russian version of Archeage.
You would have known that if you have played the game.
If the Russian version is so great, it's the exact same game etc. Why aren't you just playing there? There must be some reason you want to play on Trion's server so bad... what on Earth could it be? Hmm...
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It's the country's economy and what they can afford though, internet or not. Do you post similar threads for every game released in Russia, or other countries for that matter? Everything is cheaper in Russia if you compare the cost to US. For digital purchases or real life goods. :P
I believe you can currently, but XL Games has threatened to block IPs or ban accounts. The lag can be pretty bad, but from what I've read it's playable.
Who cares what state of economy is Russia find it self in. Russian's AA Early access pack was available to everyone around the World. So 2 month ago Archeage Early access costed 17$, Trion version costs 49,99$ - difference is noticable.
If you want to ignore this reality, and pay higher prices for the same product, that's your silly choice. The game is the same, only in Russian Version you are paying 8$ a month for sub, in Trion its 15$.
It's for the Russian version. This is the US version. Plus, XL Games has threatened to ban accounts or block IPs for folks in US trying to play on Russian servers. As mentioned before, you're welcome to play on those servers if you don't want to pay the US prices. Again, every product is going to be priced differently based on country. If you want to play there, enjoy the lag and lack of communication.
You are also paying for customer service. If Trion is employing 100 people to work on stuff and XL is only employing 10 there is going to be a big difference in how things are fixed and handled.
When your account gets hacked and it takes days to get a response from XL and only hours from Trion, how would you rate your experience? Which one would you choose to stay with?
When you run into a bug that is very annoying to deal with would you rather it take days or weeks?
There is tons of things I spend more money on just to make sure I get good service.
This is of course just speculation. You also have bigger servers which will cost more.
If you ever played LOTRO, you might remember how lots of EU players lost their accounts, when EU Publisher closed down their LOTRO support, and EU account could not be transfered to USA Publisher/developer with out authorization from the accounts owners. Same way XL games doesn't have access to Mail.ru accounts.
So XL games can't ban Mail.ru accounts.
Right, Trion that has fired all of its international CM's recently, will have 100 people working on customer support - can i have what you are smoking?
Russian Archeage, is published by Mail.ru not XL Games.
And neither Trion nor Mail.ru have access to Development part of the game, so if the bug is discovered, they both would have to send it to XL Games in Korea for it to be fixed.
Yeah, EU always pays more then USA for the same stuff. I mean Hello! Has anyone looked at Greece recently? We aren't that rich in EU.
I swear EU looks more and more like democratic version of Soviet Union.
I was in the Alpha before the Founders Packs were introduced. There was plenty of them bought, (Because the server is booming with players everywhere) so really if you don't want to buy it, you don't need too. I feel that the Gold $99.99 is the best one that is offered, but that is just my opinion. As for all the stuff included, yeah I wouldn't say its top notch or anything, but its up to the player if they want to spend that much. It might be worth it to them? All three bundles off the 4-day start, which is super important.
Also, you can't compare another game. Especially one that has been around for awhile, so they have to come up with new offers to try and keep people to sub, and reward those that have been subbing for awhile a lower rate, etc. The game has been around for awhile, and I bet we won't see an offer like that till months, maybe a year or two down the road for AA.
You seem like a knowledgeable person about MMO's, but also about being a F2P player. Remember people that are spending money, are going to receive more, plain and simple. You aren't contributing to the game (with your wallet) unless you are a paying member. Otherwise you are just along for the ride, anywhere the bus goes. The ability to allow you to play is pretty much a basic test of the game to allow you to see if its worth paying for. Which, I feel this game is worth a sub, so I will probably sub to it.
You are correct, the 4-day advance, is very key! Again, you are paying for this extra bonus, you don't need it to play the game, but it will help indeed. As for placing your farms, there are different cities, and locations to do so. Dominant guild, I really can't say that I have seen any bonus from being in a guild right now. Yeah, its always nice to be the top guild, but AA hasn't shown me a lot of bonus to be in a guild. I am just in a small guild currently and we work together in achieving everything we need, resources, trade runs, etc. I know later on the whole castle thing would be awesome, but really it just takes a lot of time and patience to achieve all of that.
As for money grab companies, yeah every company is out to make money, but since this is a F2P game, I feel a lot of people will wait till Live to play anyways. Not all Gamers jump into a game right off the bat to max lvl, etc. This game is going to be a long progression style of game. I find myself with not enough time, labor, and resources to accomplish a lot within a day. It takes a lot of organizing to have a great day in getting tasks accomplished.
The thing is, if Trion had removed the Cash shop cerdits from the Founder packs, it would have made them more apealing, since i would want a 4 day headstart.
However playing 49,99$ for a F2P MMO - that i have already access to via Russian Publisher - it's just not so appealing.
It's like they are trying to sell a used car for a Price of a new one. - maybe not the best anology, but somehting like that.
I would recommend you not purchase it then. Only you can judge what is of value to you. If the perks aren't enough then just go the F2P route. You won't get the headstart, but this game will be around for years if it does well. There will be many folks that play months and months after release, so 4 days isn't really all that important if that that's the only thing you're drawn to in those packs.
You are making a big deal out of different pricing from another country compared to US pricing? okay your points seem solid everything is cheaper and feels better in russian AA. And if so, who cares? Americans will play AA in US version as all americans do. I have 6 friends who bought the 150$ alpha access as i bought the silver 50$ access just for beta.
Have you recently watched a alpha stream. It is stupid packed and insanely popular at this time, with that I assume over hundreds of people bought the 150$ alpha pack even if it is a F2P game.
The perks could have been better as I have seen some people argue on it so there I agree. But your right with the Head start. This game can get very serious and if taken serious players can take advantage of so much opportunities.
Back to russian AA okay so its cheaper etc, go play over there then? Are you from Europe, if so go over there then. Americans do not usually play foreign games but i know plenty do for the experience of trying the game even if there is big ping lag related or the biggest in my opinion, different language. Even so companies are trying to lock other countries from playing its' game, the US has been blocked by many korean mmorpgs. So in the end why try to force playing over there when we will get it eventually.
No matter the pricing, we will even pay the highest bid to play the games we love, guess we dont give a s*** about how much things cost nowadays
What are people founding - exactly.
As far as I can see youre funding a snails pace translation of an extremely well established game. The millions? before you in other countries have already founded this game. At this point calling it a founders pack seems shady.
Maybe Im just bitter from Trions last outing with Defiance and its consistently shrinking DLC's.
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If you have the Russian Version and keep referencing it, then why wouldn't you want to keep playing that? You were never forced to play that version, and not everyone has. This is the official English version and their the publisher. You can either play more than other people, or just let time allow you to catch up. Not everyone is a hardcore gamer. ArcheAge is going to be a good way to bring both Hardcore/Casual Gamers together because of the economy set style.
Either way, no one is forcing you to play this version over the other. It's kinda like getting gas in a country that has it cheap because they can, vs. USA that changes the price because they can/want too lol. I figure it this way, you can play for free, or you can pay? Do what you want, no one is making you play this version. That's really all I can say. Nothing is fair in life lol
Role Playing is the reason i am interested in this game. You can own land, build Castles and create even your own faction .
I want to join headstart but i don't want to pay 50$ for it. - it's outrages. Trions AA needs a cheaper version, with Headstart.
For the first month and then the P2W aspects set in. Trion has only announced they are not keeping one of them, the rest are remaining. As is, Japans version stands the only chance of being P2W free they are trying to work out how they can do it, but that could take months and by then could lose most of its players.
AA has one major flaw, its a Korean made game, and now its a Korean made game that's F2P with P2W features.
Headstart is very important because of Server lock-downs during headstar of Archeage.
In Russia, they locked down their servers for over two weeks, so it made it really difficult for F2P players to join there guilds and friends. Some guilds were even forced to switch servers because most of there members were locked out from their Guild server.
It has to do with the limited number of places for farms and houses pr server.
if they had a similar to Russian's pack i would buy one, but so much money, for something which will be come free and i dont trust too much, no i dont give them : ]
The russian pack gave only acces to obt and not cbt too, it didn't give ingame currency either. Rest of the items are crap like the Eu version.
Ofc if Trion adds more item i'd be happy too. But comparing these two releases is pointless without considering how diferent dollars are to rubles and the different cost of life.
What you need to rethink is how to compare the two packages.
The Russian early access pack gave access to CBT, because OBT (22 february, or 16th february for players with Early access) was the official release for the Russian version of Archeage.
You would have known that if you have played the game.
If the Russian version is so great, it's the exact same game etc. Why aren't you just playing there? There must be some reason you want to play on Trion's server so bad... what on Earth could it be? Hmm...
We should all just go play the Russian version!