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Trion have recently made Rift pay to win in pvp what is to stop them doing the same to ArchAage
Recently Trion offered depleted lock boxes available through the in game store for 650 credits . These lockboxes drop deleted infinity shards 550 of which can upgrade the top level Myrmidon armor from epic to legendary . Essentially for the first time top level armor an weapons are available in the cash shop for real money . Even though it is costly I'm sure there are people willing to do so . My concern is now that they have crossed this line what would stop them doing the same in ArcheAge which is a far more PVP centric game than Rift .
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You understand that AA will tank if Trion starts selling armor, right? Cosmetics and fluff are absolutely OK in a F2P game, armor, weapons, permanent stat boosts and such are not for most players, especially in a PvP centric game.
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These boxes contain 6-10 depleted infinity shards it would cost over a hundred dollars to upgrade one piece of armor to legendary so I don't know where you get 3 dollars from . Also this has happened even though Trion pledged top armor and weapons would not be available in the cash shop for real money .
Well both Rift and AA are F2P....to keep these games running...they need to make money. So those willing to put money into the game to keep it running certainly do deserve to be better equipped than the freeloaders. If everything was set up for both freeloaders and paying customers to be on equal ground....what would be the point of paying any money. Everybody would just run on F2P status and that would quickly shut down the games.
If you like the game support it by dumping a few bucks into it once in a while. Don't cry cause it's not 100% free. Nothing is free in the world. Even tho this generation seems to think the previous generation owes them a living.
I think it's a legitimate concern when pvp items go up for sale in a cash shop. In the particular case of the Depleted Supply Crates in RIFT, it's only a concern in that it may be a first step to a potential p2w cash shop. The Depleted Supply Crates are actually quite cheap to purchase with in-game currency and offer stuff that is mostly useless to experienced level 60 pvpers.
I'm not trying to make the argument that items like this are okay in a cash shop, but I am saying that in Trion's case so far - most players would not feel that they have crossed over into the p2w category.
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Both will also offer optional subscriptions . Even with the points given to keep up you would have to spend a lot of real world money . So where is the insentive to subscribe .
Not just any pvp items they have made legendary pvp items available in the cash shop . The supply crates are quite cheep but remember to upgrade one item to legendary you would need to buy 55 of them at least .
You said it.
All this means is that a few people with way more disposable income than they need will upgrade their PvP armor. That doesn't provide them with skill to go with it, nor does it represent a high volume of pay to win. Do I support the selling of top-tier armor or other gear for cash? No. Does Trion have any right to do so? Yep. You can play Rift for free very easily. They have one of the best F2P models in the genre.
I quit playing a bit shy of 3 years. It didn't phase me a bit when they went free to play. In fact I knew it was coming when hartsman actually left. I don't see this pvp edge case as being a big deal or representative of their model as a whole. I certainly don't see it as having any correlation to AA and their plans for it.
You settled your own silly thread, imo.
This.
Players don't want to pay a sub but at the same time they don't want publishers to do something to favor the spenders. Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
So, choices are rather limited, you can deal with it or get off the dime.
These are open threads your entitled to your own opinion but I would say there is nothing silly about discussing this topic . In fact I would say its silly of you to make such a comment .
As I pointed out earlier both offer and optional subscription as well . These are western model free to play mmos not asian ones which generally speaking have no such system of offering a subscription with perks and points . Big difference. Also to my knowledge no other free to play western model mmo is offering legendary items through the cash shop .
Well the solution is quite simple....don't spend the money. In all likelyhood the vast majority of players won't even touch on that if this is the case. So really only a very small portion of the playerbase would even dump that kinda money into the game. Most will carry on gaming as usual.
They probibly felt the need to go this route to make extra money to keep the game going smoothly. So why complain? If a few people here and there spend the money, it probibly means the game will continue to run.
If they stop doing updates and adding new content due to lack of funds...you would complain too.
You are aware that you can also buy them with Warlords Marks?
The gliders in the pre-orders are already pay2win.
Gold and Archeum gliders are the best ingame, at least until the northern continent goes live.
I was going to play it and subscribe . But if people can get legendary gear by spending a few hundred dollars in a pvp game I really don't see the point . Its the same reason I have quit Rift today . I don't mind free to play , I don't even mind some lower level gear being available in the cash shop but where I do draw the line is when legendary items become available for real world money . I suspect many others will feel the same . It may be a case of short term greed at the expense of long term gain .
For some reason it just really bothers people to know someone else can do this. Even though if they didn't know it was happening, their gameplay experience would have never changed. But suddenly now knowing that people can buy this, hurts them.
And then ultimately, in PvP people will start blaming all their losses on the other person buying gear.
You may be right, but In the end, it's up to Trion. If they so chose, AA could be a game where if you want to play, you have to pay. If so, there really isn't much anyone can do about it.
I wouldnt exactly call it pay to win. Its a complete gamble, and to fully outfit and upgrade a full set of armor could take over 10K. So if people really want to do that then let them. Unless the company pockets every penny that person or persons just funded a lot of stuff.
I am also not sure the lockboxes drop the top end loot but just the upgrades. I havent seen or heard of anyone who has bougt enough of the to give any indication .
But I thik they mostly added those to get PvP people to spend some money. Dimension makers have really been the biggest spenders by far I am sure with a few people maybe buying mis level stuff looking to then get into top raids.
PvP didnt have to spend any money. Probably still dont. I suspect the biggest draw to people buying those boxes will stil be the mount and not the chance at am armor piece, that due to a bad RNG you might not be able t wear anyway because it could come out as a level 70 piece.
So I really dont see them selling many of them beyond the curiosity factor. Or someone feeling lucky
There is nothing to stop them, other than AA is a PvP centric game and being able to buy the armor in the cash shop would disrupt the balance of the entire game. In Rift it just gives some people a head start, but it removes a large part of the reason for playing the PvP in the first place, which is to get the armor.
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