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+1 hit the nail right on the head ...
This.
My Credit Card had no issue doing a chargeback on GW2 4 months after release or Neverwinter 2 months after release.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Four months after!! Yeah and there are no issue with the current system. Completely asinine for someone to ask for a refund after four months. People like this and others are just going to make companies change their rules and TOS. I would assume your CC did not get money back from GW2 or Neverwinter but instead used their fraud accounts, so people making fraudulent claims like this are only hurting honest consumers as their feels will continue to go up. (Now my disgust with this is assuming you played the game for four months).
It's not cool, it's realistic.
GW2 offered refunds up till 6 months after purchase date, don't think a chargeback was necessary. The TOS already say you can't refund the product, the problem is it's not exactly legal, and unfair to the customer, thus the need for chargeback and consumer protection policies.
I guess it is realistic to have certain people hate others for being more successful then them. It's unfortunate that people feel this way but it is today's society.
As part of "today's society" that was raised with more transparency to the corruption and abuse these more successful people put others through on a daily basis, yes, it's how some of us feel. Those of us who listened when they said "Think for yourself. Question authority."
Oh this thread is just priceless... priceless... damn, I have to say it again... priceless.
At the end of the day the credit card companies will see a pattern of buying and returning and eventually cancel their cards.
I like the way you insult in every post you make. Shows your debate skills. Stop watching Fox News and try doing what I said sometime, or keep swallowing what they feed you and never raise a fuss.
If it's abused, sure. Not when it's legitimate though.
Yes raising a fuss because I bought a video game I didn't like and therefore feel I am entitled to a refund. Yeah that sounds logical.
Live my life thinking everyone is out to get me. Yeah that sounds logical.
Well look on the bright side, he didn't create a class action lawsuit over it... that's the other thing people seem to think they are entitled to...
I liked the game when it worked. I would've kept playing had they provided an unbroken product. They didn't, I exercised my rights as a consumer and got a refund. I'm sorry it angers you that corporations don't have your best interest at heart, but it's time you learned.
'You deserve to have your refund denied based on your use of the phrase "copy pasta". ' That is the moment when I died. hahaha.
But if you don't find for what you find is not worth your value, you're letting big corporation, rape your weak individual ass. And as we know, corporation does not care for individuals but their money. By fighting for what you think that is not worth the value, you are actually letting them know that, they need to improve on a specific grounds (basically learn from their mistakes). It's basically the same as giving money to a beggar, with an expectation that they will use it on foods and such, but they are using it for drugs instead. I'm not saying all beggars do that, but there are a few, its just an example of 'if'.
Also, perhaps he's denied because of his country of origin, that does not have such law?.
I'm sure you can understand corporation are not put on this earth to put your heart at ease. They are created to make money, I'm sorry you have an issue with other people making more money then you. I'm not angry for getting a legit refund, I think it pathetic, reckless, immature, borderline illegal to play a game for a month two months three months and say it's broken and request a refund. If it's broken it shouldn't take that long.
Unfortunately we have some that exploit and take advantage of the system, I'd call them hypocrites . They QQ about these companies but in a way they cause these companies to tweak TOS and rules by their exploiting and taking advantage of the system. You think it's free for your cc company to get your money back? I understand it's a large company and you hate them but what you and others do raises the fees on the rest of the consumers but as long as you give it to the large evil companies and you are happy screw the rest right.
And what happens to all those indie companies if 80-90% of the people who buy their games dispute the charges once they have played the game a few hundred hours and are tired of it? What the OP is doing on a large scale is the death of any video game that doesn't conform to a narrow legal definition of complete.
They already charged more than any MMO on the market. When it gets worse, it won't be because I asked for my 60 bucks back, it'll be because they want more money. Still plenty of fish in the sea to milk.
If you purchase a RELEASED product and it doesn't work properly, indie or not, you can/should be allowed to refund it, yes.
If you have no issues but dislike the game, no you can't/shouldn't be allowed a refund.
99% of people don't ask for refunds and just eat the loss, some of us care more about our money/rights than others.
if company doesnt release a broken buggy gamebreakign bugs into release this wouldnt have happen in the first place right?
lol Archeage doesnt evne have any bugs
but yea to OP, one of my roommate chargedback on ESO like 3 weeks ago.
make sure you put faulty software product for paypal, it worked for my roommate just fyi.
But what does it mean "doesn't work properly" and how do you define that in a clear manner everyone can agree on? Is it enough to just install and run because clearly ESO does that? Is it enough you can log in (if online) and play the game in some manner because clearly ESO lets you do that to?
Can you install ESO? yes
Can you move around in game and can you engage in combat? yes
Can you take, preform and complete quests? yes with a few exceptions.
Can you level, gather gear, wear that gear and upgrade skills? Yes
Can you engage in PVP in the designated areas? yes
I don't disagree the game had and still has bugs and even basic implementation issues but that doesn't mean it's broken. At a basic level the game works fine it's only when you throw expectations into the mix that you start to see the flaws. The problem with allowing refunds based on expectations is that everyone has their own and it's impossible to agree on so you are basically asking for a free trial for all video games.
The idea that you can consume a game than decide if it's worth paying for or not won't work. There are way to many people out their that lack the moral center to pay for something they used regardless of if they liked it or not and plenty more who can find reasons to justify their position one way or another. This isn't even about ESO but more to the point about video games in general. Your options are buy a game or wait for trials/reviews not buy it, play the shit out of it than find a way to justify wanting you money back.
It occurs to me this is nothing but another part of the F2P vs Purchase debate. Some people just fundamentally have a issue paying for something regardless of what it might be so are trying to force the F2P business model on everything. I remember reading a article from a Android developer where they said over 80% of the copies of their game where pirated until they went to F2P model where their revenue sky rocketed. That developer was basically forced into F2P on Android because people wouldn't pay for their games any other way. What you are doing on a large scale is really the same. The end result will be F2P ends up being the only viable business model and even than only if a business can protect purchases. Maybe that's a good thing to you but for those of us who recognize the kinds of games F2P can't make and enjoy playing them it's not.