I agree with everything the OP reviewed. His sentiments in the areas he listed mirror mine almost exactly. The onyl thing I really liked about the game was the world. I enjoyed looking around, but the game is just bad. I have loved all the ES games and put hundreds of hours into them, but this was just a huge let down.
Pretty fair review, at least the OP put some good effort into, obviously some of it is subjective. But at least he tried to see the good and the bad in the game, One thing I agree with is the low score for combat and grouping. I only played the beta, and found the combat to be amazingly boring, maybe it gets more fun at level 50, but I cant imagine it gets good enough for me to care.
I haven't played this game so I'm not biased, but I lost any credibility in your "review" when you said a MMORPG was more about online social interaction than the story present in a game. You do know what an RPG is, right? I understand the social aspect of things is important, but I wouldn't touch a MMORPG if it didn't have an engaging story, and that's a big reason why I can count the amount of MMORPGs I've played in the last 10 years on one hand.
TL:DR couple with a laughable 4.5, why waste time reading it?
Go to mmorpg homepage scroll down a little and check out what the "Most popular games" are for...
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It would'nt happen to be ESO would it?
LMAO , seriously , you do realize that all that means is posts , wether positive or negative it counts them .. and most have been negative , because it happens to be a 1/2 baked Elder Scrolls game in a 1/2 baked MMO wrapper , and people are pissed ...
But , because you went there did you notice the tab next to that for Top voted games , there is one MMO that released very recently that isnt even in the top 8 list ..
It wouldnt happen to be ESO.............................would it?
Originally posted by Kanester Pretty spot on to be fair.
I agree entirely.
And the OP doesn't even mention duping or the zone roll backs or the fact that the first dungeon on AD was unplayable for the first week of release (and a little past that, but I had given up by then).
4.5 seems a little low, I think a 6 would be fair, and that's including the bugs and game breaking duping / roll backs.
I haven't played this game so I'm not biased, but I lost any credibility in your "review" when you said a MMORPG was more about online social interaction than the story present in a game.
Ultima Online
Everquest 1
Eve Online
All MMORPG's that didn't have an in your face thrilling story like SWTOR but did phenomenally well.
Also all 3 have/had vibrant communities that new each other rather then just knowing how to use dungeon finder/raid finder to group.
+ you haven't played it....
I lost credibility in your ability to judge others credibility. /sadface
The rating by the OP seems a touch low but his points are pretty solid.
Are they? I decided to stop reading about half way through the questing critique. First, a backhanded remark about handholding.. followed by frustration that the game doesn't instruct you where to go next. That, along with the tone, told me pretty much all I needed to know. The tone led me to believe this was going to be 4.5 out of 100. You can tell from the start that it's a "this is why I hated the game", even if that wasn't the intention of the OP. Our experiences craft our agenda, whether we realize it or not.
For everyone asking why he even made a review if he didnt like, Reviews are suppose to be for the people who have not bought the game and thinking about it.
If you bought the game already then this isnt for you.
A review is to help people look at the pros and cons of the game according to that person. Some cons to one person might be pros for another person. Just because he didnt like it and because he rated it low does not mean you have to be mean about it. All you are doing is bumping his thread to the top and allowing more people to view it.
So if you are mad about his review then ignore it. If you are happy about the review then bump it. Its as easy as that. Attacking him for giving an honest review, which as long as someone didnt pay him to make a horrible review is, is wrong. If you want you have every opportunity to put your time and effort into making a review that fits how you feel about the game.
Bad reviews also help change the industry. Bad reviews mean less people will purchase the game, tons of players wait until a few months after to check out the review. Less players for a game means less time the company will stay afloat. Less time Afloat means how long the game stays in business. How long the game stays in business determines if the game is a success or not. When other companies look at if the game is a success or not they will look at what they did right and what they did wrong.
MMORPG.com and some others grade games based on the school grade system. Ie, a 60 is a D-, and anything below 60 is failing. A 70 is average, and 80+ is a B. Only games with a 90+ rating are 'A" games.
So based on that curve, his 4.5, which is meant to be just below average, would score about a 6.5 on the MMORPG scale.
MMORPG.com and some others grade games based on the school grade system. Ie, a 60 is a D-, and anything below 60 is failing. A 70 is average, and 80+ is a B. Only games with a 90+ rating are 'A" games.
So based on that curve, his 4.5, which is meant to be just below average, would score about a 6.5 on the MMORPG scale.
Just edited my post from earlier with this exact thing said by Bill Murphy. In the second paragraph.
Can we all just agree that ESO was a bad game and move on. The many issues, design flaws and bugs the game has are well known now. But hey, some people like playing it and good luck to them. But for me this is the Star Wars Episode one of the Elderscrolls series. Zenimax will now be scrambling to make improvements prior to console release so in essence the current subscribers will be the alfa anb beta testers for the console release.
While the word "boring/bored" annoys the living crap out of me in reviews, I appreciate that the OP used the numbering system as it should have been. If everything that doesn't instantly crash to desktop is worth a "5+" in reviews, then what's the point of having a 1-4?
MMORPG.com and some others grade games based on the school grade system. Ie, a 60 is a D-, and anything below 60 is failing. A 70 is average, and 80+ is a B. Only games with a 90+ rating are 'A" games.
So based on that curve, his 4.5, which is meant to be just below average, would score about a 6.5 on the MMORPG scale.
You can't compare the way education is graded and the way products are reviewed, that just doesn't work. In education, to be considered "Learned" in a specific area, you have to understand and answer correctly the majority of the questions or do well on the majority of the work. That's why a 60 or below is failing because you cannot be considered Proficient only knowing barely above half of the required information.
In a "product review" failing is 0. ANything above is an average of how you score specific areas of the product. Average or the middle ground on a 1-10 scale must be 5, other wise the reviewer loses credibility in not fully utilizing the entire number scale used.
There, I just learned you in something lol. I dont' post this trying to be a jerk, but trying to shed light on the mentality and methodology behind reviewing products.
While the word "boring/bored" annoys the living crap out of me in reviews, I appreciate that the OP used the numbering system as it should have been. If everything that doesn't instantly crash to desktop is worth a "5+" in reviews, then what's the point of having a 1-4?
+1, I can't stand when reviewers say 7 is average, 6 is below average, and 5 and below is failing. What are 1-4 used for then? Lol. Completely agree with you.
MMORPG.com and some others grade games based on the school grade system. Ie, a 60 is a D-, and anything below 60 is failing. A 70 is average, and 80+ is a B. Only games with a 90+ rating are 'A" games.
So based on that curve, his 4.5, which is meant to be just below average, would score about a 6.5 on the MMORPG scale.
You can't compare the way education is graded and the way products are reviewed, that just doesn't work. In education, to be considered "Learned" in a specific area, you have to understand and answer correctly the majority of the questions or do well on the majority of the work. That's why a 60 or below is failing because you cannot be considered Proficient only knowing barely above half of the required information.
In a "product review" failing is 0. ANything above is an average of how you score specific areas of the product. Average or the middle ground on a 1-10 scale must be 5, other wise the reviewer loses credibility in not fully utilizing the entire number scale used.
There, I just learned you in something lol. I dont' post this trying to be a jerk, but trying to shed light on the mentality and methodology behind reviewing products.
I agree with you whole heartedly about using the school system for reviews, but it is the way it is. No review column online is actually using a true 1-10 point scale unless they actually state that. They are using a five point scale with ten point numbers. It just makes people feel better I guess. I have linked an actual quote from Bill Murphy on this twice in this post.
when you dont like something and the game becomes boring to you, then every other part of that game is bad also. It doesnt matter if its good or bad too that part ...
I would also rate your review as 4.5(F school grade).
It is just lenghty, which at the end hurts you the most as your thoughts are inconsistent, contradictory, consiting of self made arbitrary qualifiers and often you make no sense at all.
Review score shouldn't be based on your liking/dislike but rather be as much objective as possible, something you utterly failed at.
Without a actual qualification on the measurement scale your values look like pulled out of my arse values. please give us the metric you used to determine your ratings.
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The rating by the OP seems a touch low but his points are pretty solid.
I haven't played this game so I'm not biased, but I lost any credibility in your "review" when you said a MMORPG was more about online social interaction than the story present in a game. You do know what an RPG is, right? I understand the social aspect of things is important, but I wouldn't touch a MMORPG if it didn't have an engaging story, and that's a big reason why I can count the amount of MMORPGs I've played in the last 10 years on one hand.
Sounds about right
/personallygiveita6
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LMAO , seriously , you do realize that all that means is posts , wether positive or negative it counts them .. and most have been negative , because it happens to be a 1/2 baked Elder Scrolls game in a 1/2 baked MMO wrapper , and people are pissed ...
But , because you went there did you notice the tab next to that for Top voted games , there is one MMO that released very recently that isnt even in the top 8 list ..
It wouldnt happen to be ESO.............................would it?
I agree entirely.
And the OP doesn't even mention duping or the zone roll backs or the fact that the first dungeon on AD was unplayable for the first week of release (and a little past that, but I had given up by then).
4.5 seems a little low, I think a 6 would be fair, and that's including the bugs and game breaking duping / roll backs.
Ultima Online
Everquest 1
Eve Online
All MMORPG's that didn't have an in your face thrilling story like SWTOR but did phenomenally well.
Also all 3 have/had vibrant communities that new each other rather then just knowing how to use dungeon finder/raid finder to group.
+ you haven't played it....
I lost credibility in your ability to judge others credibility. /sadface
I agree, I am not a fan of ESO but this is true.
Are they? I decided to stop reading about half way through the questing critique. First, a backhanded remark about handholding.. followed by frustration that the game doesn't instruct you where to go next. That, along with the tone, told me pretty much all I needed to know. The tone led me to believe this was going to be 4.5 out of 100. You can tell from the start that it's a "this is why I hated the game", even if that wasn't the intention of the OP. Our experiences craft our agenda, whether we realize it or not.
- Nellus
For everyone asking why he even made a review if he didnt like, Reviews are suppose to be for the people who have not bought the game and thinking about it.
If you bought the game already then this isnt for you.
A review is to help people look at the pros and cons of the game according to that person. Some cons to one person might be pros for another person. Just because he didnt like it and because he rated it low does not mean you have to be mean about it. All you are doing is bumping his thread to the top and allowing more people to view it.
So if you are mad about his review then ignore it. If you are happy about the review then bump it. Its as easy as that. Attacking him for giving an honest review, which as long as someone didnt pay him to make a horrible review is, is wrong. If you want you have every opportunity to put your time and effort into making a review that fits how you feel about the game.
Bad reviews also help change the industry. Bad reviews mean less people will purchase the game, tons of players wait until a few months after to check out the review. Less players for a game means less time the company will stay afloat. Less time Afloat means how long the game stays in business. How long the game stays in business determines if the game is a success or not. When other companies look at if the game is a success or not they will look at what they did right and what they did wrong.
MMORPG.com and some others grade games based on the school grade system. Ie, a 60 is a D-, and anything below 60 is failing. A 70 is average, and 80+ is a B. Only games with a 90+ rating are 'A" games.
So based on that curve, his 4.5, which is meant to be just below average, would score about a 6.5 on the MMORPG scale.
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Judging by how he gave the crafting a 2/10 I'm going to guess he's one of those people that would only consider giving a 10 to SWG or UO.
Just edited my post from earlier with this exact thing said by Bill Murphy. In the second paragraph.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/632/feature/8491/Gauging-the-Critical-Reception.html
While the word "boring/bored" annoys the living crap out of me in reviews, I appreciate that the OP used the numbering system as it should have been. If everything that doesn't instantly crash to desktop is worth a "5+" in reviews, then what's the point of having a 1-4?
You can't compare the way education is graded and the way products are reviewed, that just doesn't work. In education, to be considered "Learned" in a specific area, you have to understand and answer correctly the majority of the questions or do well on the majority of the work. That's why a 60 or below is failing because you cannot be considered Proficient only knowing barely above half of the required information.
In a "product review" failing is 0. ANything above is an average of how you score specific areas of the product. Average or the middle ground on a 1-10 scale must be 5, other wise the reviewer loses credibility in not fully utilizing the entire number scale used.
There, I just learned you in something lol. I dont' post this trying to be a jerk, but trying to shed light on the mentality and methodology behind reviewing products.
-Unconstitutional laws aren't laws.-
+1, I can't stand when reviewers say 7 is average, 6 is below average, and 5 and below is failing. What are 1-4 used for then? Lol. Completely agree with you.
-Unconstitutional laws aren't laws.-
I agree with you whole heartedly about using the school system for reviews, but it is the way it is. No review column online is actually using a true 1-10 point scale unless they actually state that. They are using a five point scale with ten point numbers. It just makes people feel better I guess. I have linked an actual quote from Bill Murphy on this twice in this post.
I would also rate your review as 4.5(F school grade).
It is just lenghty, which at the end hurts you the most as your thoughts are inconsistent, contradictory, consiting of self made arbitrary qualifiers and often you make no sense at all.
Review score shouldn't be based on your liking/dislike but rather be as much objective as possible, something you utterly failed at.
Less personal bias, more review.
Without a actual qualification on the measurement scale your values look like pulled out of my arse values. please give us the metric you used to determine your ratings.