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gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47
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alright so I am needed a new motherboard for my i7-2700k will be upgrading to the i7-4790k later this year when ive saved for a new mobo/cpu

 

anyway im looking at 2 boards right now the msi Z77A-G45 and the asrock z77 extreme 4 

 

any one know which is better or use either?

I dont know about either brand i normally go with asus but had 2 mobo from them that wouldnt read my r9 270x at all

 

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  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,413

    Try a BIOS update on your ASUS board and make sure its getting sufficient power first. You don't want to buy a 6 year old stop gap mobo when you are upgrading in a couple months. You will also potentially face the same issue with other mobos if you are putting in a modern video card that is unreadable since they will all be about the same age and support the same technology. Not sure if the AMD R7 series requires UEFI Bios. What is your ASUS model so I can see if it has UEFI bios?

    ASRock is the budget offset of ASUS. However, they have proceeded into offering more robust offerings. That model has UEFI bios.

    MSI is the direct competitor for ASUS. They tend to give a lot of bang for the buck and make risky design decisions. The MSI board you linked to does have UEFI bios.

    Either is a good choice.

  • gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47
    Originally posted by Cleffy

    Try a BIOS update on your ASUS board and make sure its getting sufficient power first. You don't want to buy a 6 year old stop gap mobo when you are upgrading in a couple months. You will also potentially face the same issue with other mobos if you are putting in a modern video card that is unreadable since they will all be about the same age and support the same technology. Not sure if the AMD R7 series requires UEFI Bios. What is your ASUS model so I can see if it has UEFI bios?

    ASRock is the budget offset of ASUS. However, they have proceeded into offering more robust offerings. That model has UEFI bios.

    MSI is the direct competitor for ASUS. They tend to give a lot of bang for the buck and make risky design decisions. The MSI board you linked to does have UEFI bios.

    Either is a good choice.

    thanks and yea it was the asus ASUS P8Z77-V LK which seemed to have alot of trouble from what i read my power supply is a thermaltake 750watt and all connections were connected i seeked alot of help from eggxpert and after all the testing and bio updates concluded something was wrong with the pci slots because the board would boot up from on board but not pci slot which in bios did show the card was connected but wouldnt use it. 

     

    and thanks i think ill go with msi since i like the board design and it has alot of good reviews

  • lugallugal Member UncommonPosts: 671
    Asus has earned a bad rep the last few years due to issues with motherboards. Going with msi is a good choice. Gigabyte is also a good choice.

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    The reviewer has a mishapen head
    Which means his opinion is skewed
    ...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley

  • gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47
    Originally posted by lugal
    Asus has earned a bad rep the last few years due to issues with motherboards. Going with msi is a good choice. Gigabyte is also a good choice.

    yea ive been reading asus issue just isnt with there mobo but with there rma service as well they used to be so good idk what happened.

  • bigbudzbigbudz Member Posts: 52
    Good luck finding a new MSI GD45 with a Z77 chipset. I have only found them on ebay (which doesn't have a decent return policy for DOA) or used. I have been looking for months and I decided that I'll just wait for Devil's Canyon (Broadwell) to come out and grab a G45 Z97 board for it.

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  • gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47
    Originally posted by bigbudz
    Good luck finding a new MSI GD45 with a Z77 chipset. I have only found them on ebay (which doesn't have a decent return policy for DOA) or used. I have been looking for months and I decided that I'll just wait for Devil's Canyon (Broadwell) to come out and grab a G45 Z97 board for it.

    yea well for me buying one on ebay is better then what i have seeing as my mobo has a few bent cpu pins and i need a temp one for replacement. I always when buying mobos on ebay make sure they accept returns. atleast for me if its doa ic an return it and iof the seller doesnt wanna help paypal/ebay is willing to help

     

    had a issue with a mouse awhile back didnt work off its charger person didnt accept returns paypal told me to send it back and they gave me a refund for it since it wasnt as described 

  • jdnewelljdnewell Member UncommonPosts: 2,237

    Here is a refurbished one from Tigerdirect.com

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3231834&SRCCODE=WEBGOO0163C&cm_mmc_o=VRqCjC7BBTkwCjCECjCE&gclid=CPiqutCV4b4CFWgF7AodUHoAQw&gclsrc=aw.ds

     

    Personally I would buy from them over ebay, as returns are accepted and should be easy if it does not work.

    I use that exact motherboard and have had no issues with it. I bought it new tho, but in my experience its a quality product.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Don't bother upgrading unless the old computer is failing.  That's not much of an upgrade unless you're insistent on leaving chips at stock speeds.
  • gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47
    Originally posted by jdnewell

    Here is a refurbished one from Tigerdirect.com

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3231834&SRCCODE=WEBGOO0163C&cm_mmc_o=VRqCjC7BBTkwCjCECjCE&gclid=CPiqutCV4b4CFWgF7AodUHoAQw&gclsrc=aw.ds

     

    Personally I would buy from them over ebay, as returns are accepted and should be easy if it does not work.

    I use that exact motherboard and have had no issues with it. I bought it new tho, but in my experience its a quality product.

    thanks but honestly i dont buy from tiger just because me personally i dont like paying for shipping and tax normally also ive had alot of bad experinces with referb items

     

    and great well if theres no issues then ill probably pick up this board found one new on ebay in open package for 99.00

  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,413
    I don't think a new mobo will help. The PCI slots are controlled on the CPU not the mobo. Might be a problem with switchable graphics. I am pretty sure that generation started Intel Switchable graphics. Although bent pins might also be the issue.
  • gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Don't bother upgrading unless the old computer is failing.  That's not much of an upgrade unless you're insistent on leaving chips at stock speeds.

    yea i was thinking of upgrading to a i7-4770k but reading up on it the overall performance increase was between 5-15% but the devils canyon sounded nice plus assuming i can actually see a increase at atleast 20-25% overall i wont. Also its because lga 1155 boards are getting harder and harder to come by new.

  • gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47
    Originally posted by Cleffy
    I don't think a new mobo will help. The PCI slots are controlled on the CPU not the mobo. Might be a problem with switchable graphics. I am pretty sure that generation started Intel Switchable graphics. Although bent pins might also be the issue.

    yea i assumed that to and went into the bios and manually set it to read from the graphics card but nothing and i know the card works because it does on my old mobo but this one has already been sent back.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Originally posted by gaara168
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Don't bother upgrading unless the old computer is failing.  That's not much of an upgrade unless you're insistent on leaving chips at stock speeds.

    yea i was thinking of upgrading to a i7-4770k but reading up on it the overall performance increase was between 5-15% but the devils canyon sounded nice plus assuming i can actually see a increase at atleast 20-25% overall i wont. Also its because lga 1155 boards are getting harder and harder to come by new.

    If you compare an overclocked Sandy Bridge to an overclocked Devil's Canyon, there's no guarantee that the latter will even be an upgrade at all.

    Try putting the video card into a different PCI Express slot in your existing motherboard.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Originally posted by Cleffy
    I don't think a new mobo will help. The PCI slots are controlled on the CPU not the mobo. Might be a problem with switchable graphics. I am pretty sure that generation started Intel Switchable graphics. Although bent pins might also be the issue.

    Discrete switchable graphics is a laptop thing, and I'm not sure if it's even available in desktops at all.  The only point of switchable graphics is to reduce idle power consumption, but that barely matters in a desktop.  Given a choice of 10 W lower idle power consumption or 10% higher gaming performance, people would pick the latter--and yes, discrete switchable graphics does hurt performance on the discrete card because of the need to copy frames over the PCI Express bus before they can be displayed.

  • gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by gaara168
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Don't bother upgrading unless the old computer is failing.  That's not much of an upgrade unless you're insistent on leaving chips at stock speeds.

    yea i was thinking of upgrading to a i7-4770k but reading up on it the overall performance increase was between 5-15% but the devils canyon sounded nice plus assuming i can actually see a increase at atleast 20-25% overall i wont. Also its because lga 1155 boards are getting harder and harder to come by new.

    If you compare an overclocked Sandy Bridge to an overclocked Devil's Canyon, there's no guarantee that the latter will even be an upgrade at all.

    Try putting the video card into a different PCI Express slot in your existing motherboard.

    well right now my i7-2700k isnt even over clocked and runs at 3.5ghz i assume on a normal basis 

    so assuming if i did overclock this to the 3.8 and decided to get the devils canyon and overclock it to the 4.5ghz there might be a difference but i was reading something about the devils canyon being able to overclock to 5ghz unless i misread something 

    so i assume 3.8 vs 4.5 might be a 15%-20% overall increase in performance

     

    well since its been sent back i cant do that 

    but I did try that also made sure that both 6 pin connectors were connected and not loose which they were.

    as i tested back in my old board when testing the asus one my R9 270X would slide in and isntantly boot up without issue

    I did alot of research when testing seeing alot of people with the same issue and tried everything everyone else did 

  • gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47

    yea heres the article about the devils canyon being able to overclock to 5.5ghz which is really good which makes me wanna get into overclocking and assuming there saying 6.4ghz with liquid nitrogen cooling not doing that but thats cool as well XD

     

    http://www.extremetech.com/computing/183708-overclockers-push-new-devils-canyon-haswell-to-5-5ghz-on-air-6-4ghz-with-ln2

  • jdnewelljdnewell Member UncommonPosts: 2,237
    Originally posted by gaara168
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by gaara168
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Don't bother upgrading unless the old computer is failing.  That's not much of an upgrade unless you're insistent on leaving chips at stock speeds.

    yea i was thinking of upgrading to a i7-4770k but reading up on it the overall performance increase was between 5-15% but the devils canyon sounded nice plus assuming i can actually see a increase at atleast 20-25% overall i wont. Also its because lga 1155 boards are getting harder and harder to come by new.

    If you compare an overclocked Sandy Bridge to an overclocked Devil's Canyon, there's no guarantee that the latter will even be an upgrade at all.

    Try putting the video card into a different PCI Express slot in your existing motherboard.

    well right now my i7-2700k isnt even over clocked and runs at 3.5ghz i assume on a normal basis 

    so assuming if i did overclock this to the 3.8 and decided to get the devils canyon and overclock it to the 4.5ghz there might be a difference but i was reading something about the devils canyon being able to overclock to 5ghz unless i misread something 

    so i assume 3.8 vs 4.5 might be a 15%-20% overall increase in performance

     

    well since its been sent back i cant do that 

    but I did try that also made sure that both 6 pin connectors were connected and not loose which they were.

    as i tested back in my old board when testing the asus one my R9 270X would slide in and isntantly boot up without issue

    I did alot of research when testing seeing alot of people with the same issue and tried everything everyone else did 

    You can easily get 4.5 off that 2700k. I have a 2500k myself and it overclocks well, an easy 4.5 off of it, maybe higher but there was never a need to even try.

  • gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47
    Originally posted by jdnewell
    Originally posted by gaara168
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by gaara168
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Don't bother upgrading unless the old computer is failing.  That's not much of an upgrade unless you're insistent on leaving chips at stock speeds.

    yea i was thinking of upgrading to a i7-4770k but reading up on it the overall performance increase was between 5-15% but the devils canyon sounded nice plus assuming i can actually see a increase at atleast 20-25% overall i wont. Also its because lga 1155 boards are getting harder and harder to come by new.

    If you compare an overclocked Sandy Bridge to an overclocked Devil's Canyon, there's no guarantee that the latter will even be an upgrade at all.

    Try putting the video card into a different PCI Express slot in your existing motherboard.

    well right now my i7-2700k isnt even over clocked and runs at 3.5ghz i assume on a normal basis 

    so assuming if i did overclock this to the 3.8 and decided to get the devils canyon and overclock it to the 4.5ghz there might be a difference but i was reading something about the devils canyon being able to overclock to 5ghz unless i misread something 

    so i assume 3.8 vs 4.5 might be a 15%-20% overall increase in performance

     

    well since its been sent back i cant do that 

    but I did try that also made sure that both 6 pin connectors were connected and not loose which they were.

    as i tested back in my old board when testing the asus one my R9 270X would slide in and isntantly boot up without issue

    I did alot of research when testing seeing alot of people with the same issue and tried everything everyone else did 

    You can easily get 4.5 off that 2700k. I have a 2500k myself and it overclocks well, an easy 4.5 off of it, maybe higher but there was never a need to even try.

    hmmm really didnt know that if thats the case then there really is no point to upgrade at the moment if i can get 4.5ghz now but imma get a new cooler before i do that i know overclocking tends to create some heat im still using the stock cooler plan on getting the zalman kraken x41

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483

    Sandy Bridge overclocks famously well.  If you've got the appropriate other stuff around it (motherboard, power supply, case, not overly hot room), 4.5 GHz should be easy and 5 GHz is likely doable.

    Haswell, on the other hand, isn't much of an overclocker.  If Intel is releasing a bin clocked a full 400 MHz higher than any other bin of the same die, it's probable that most of the "overclocking" headroom is built into the stock speeds, much like what AMD did with their 5 GHz bin of Vishera.

    Don't confuse the record best result that expert overclockers using very high end hardware could achieve for barely long enough to pass a stability test with what you might hope to run a CPU at for months or years.

  • gaara168gaara168 Member UncommonPosts: 47
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Sandy Bridge overclocks famously well.  If you've got the appropriate other stuff around it (motherboard, power supply, case, not overly hot room), 4.5 GHz should be easy and 5 GHz is likely doable.

    Haswell, on the other hand, isn't much of an overclocker.  If Intel is releasing a bin clocked a full 400 MHz higher than any other bin of the same die, it's probable that most of the "overclocking" headroom is built into the stock speeds, much like what AMD did with their 5 GHz bin of Vishera.

    Don't confuse the record best result that expert overclockers using very high end hardware could achieve for barely long enough to pass a stability test with what you might hope to run a CPU at for months or years.

    yea i see your point i dont know alot about overclocking and i know its alot of voltage testing and other things to keep it stable ontop of that being able to keep it cool my room its normally kinda warm so id need a good cooler 

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