Because Wildstar just came out. Now there is some real competition.
Pretty much this.
This^
You will notice Wildstar massive price drop too when Warlords come out.
This is it right here
People need to be reminded just how powerful Wow is. The same thing happened with GW2. When mist came out the playerbase got alot smaller in days. Alot of people are checking out Wildstar and waiting for the new Wow espansion just like in GW2. Wildstar and ESO will never knock wow off the top of the mount.
I know right? Actually Dino Horde just did the same thing on steam this past weekend. They were offering 95% off! Damn Wildstar is making everyone drop their prices /sarcasm
Let's be honest, ESO is a subscription game, the box price will make a dent in their dev costs, but after launch there really isn't going to be much reason to even have a box price, your focus is obtaining/retaining subscribers. If they were really concerned about people leaving their service for Wildstar they would have dropped their subscription fees, not their box price.
If they sell a million or more copies it can actually almost completley cover the development cost the problem is ESO only sold 400k copies
Because Wildstar just came out. Now there is some real competition.
Pretty much this.
This^
You will notice Wildstar massive price drop too when Warlords come out.
This is it right here
People need to be reminded just how powerful Wow is. The same thing happened with GW2. When mist came out the playerbase got alot smaller in days. Alot of people are checking out Wildstar and waiting for the new Wow espansion just like in GW2. Wildstar and ESO will never knock wow off the top of the mount.
I know right? Actually Dino Horde just did the same thing on steam this past weekend. They were offering 95% off! Damn Wildstar is making everyone drop their prices /sarcasm
Let's be honest, ESO is a subscription game, the box price will make a dent in their dev costs, but after launch there really isn't going to be much reason to even have a box price, your focus is obtaining/retaining subscribers. If they were really concerned about people leaving their service for Wildstar they would have dropped their subscription fees, not their box price.
If they sell a million or more copies it can actually almost completley cover the development cost the problem is ESO only sold 400k copies
That is really not a good start for a MMO. Warhammer Online managed to sell 750k copies its first month.
No.
They needed to sell over 5 million copies to cover the 200+ million dollar cost - remember that on a $60 physical copy less than $40 actually goes to Zenimax.
There is a LOT of overhead in retail box business - which is why if you can recoup your profits with 100% digital sales - that's the way to go.
Bottom line - you don't want to be on the store shelves - as if your product doesn't sell after X number of weeks - guess what, you have to buy it back from retailers at 100% retail cost.
Yeah it sucks.
Depends on the retailer Walmart will only give them about $20 but other stores its much higher. But lets not get into a whole economics debate
The point I was making is that the game only sold 400k copies (maybe double that with digital sales but even then thats not a lot) so that after the intial first month or two when ALL mmos see a 50% drop or more in subs things are not looking good.
Edit btw did they ever release their budget? I'm not saying you are wrong with the 200 million but I don't remember them releasing anything. All I know is that some of my friends at Zenimax told me they were throwing money at ESO as if it was the cure for cancer.
Edit btw did they ever release their budget? I'm not saying you are wrong with the 200 million but I don't remember them releasing anything. All I know is that some of my friends at Zenimax told me they were throwing money at ESO as if it was the cure for cancer.
There was an infamous twitter leak - where it was posted $200 million but quickly got removed - however as most things on twitter it got read and screenshot by lots of people.
Edit btw did they ever release their budget? I'm not saying you are wrong with the 200 million but I don't remember them releasing anything. All I know is that some of my friends at Zenimax told me they were throwing money at ESO as if it was the cure for cancer.
There was an infamous twitter leak - where it was posted $200 million but quickly got removed - however as most things on twitter it got read and screenshot by lots of people.
The twitter leak was real - it cost over 200mil - ZOS damage control failed. (The twitter leak where Matt says there is no way that they spent 200 million is real, yet then you think that some how confirms that it DID cost over 200 million dollars, so what Denying is admitting to you?
Yeah, I know it's satire, the link they used was real, exactly.
Matt DID say that there was no way that they spent 200m ON TWITTER.
/facepalm
Edit: My point is there is NO NUMBERS! EITHER WAY! You are literally linking a rumor based off a rumor based off what some guy over heard his room mate say while on video chat with his nephew who knows a guy at ZoS. I.E. Bullshit.
My point in linking the first article was to point out to you that both of them, are equally stupid. /sigh
The twitter message was not posted by a ZOS employee iirc but a game journalist (form Kotaku). Which was then picked up by even more and spread like wildfire without any evidence given (possibly why it was removed).
ZOS never released any information on it's budget, over than it's not $200 million (implied less, though not stated).
Originally posted by Doogiehowser You can pick it up at wallmart for 9 bucks..why pay 30 for it? ESO isn't even worth 30 bucks.
9 Bucks for a new released mmo in less than 3 months is bad news for this game. It doesn't matter what fanboys say. This is not a good thing and Zenimax most be going to say something soon about the game. Some shake up must be coming and they are waiting to get as much money as they can first. I have never seen a price drop this fast for any mmo. If you can get it for 9 bucks somewhere than its pretty much over for making huge money on this game. And didn't they do some huge layoffs at the mmo branch of the company too? Not looking to good i think.
The earlier you get into a game, the more you pay for it. With subscription games especially, the box price tends to drop or even go away entirely after a while just to get people into the game so they can start paying the subscription fee.
Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.
Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.
Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.
Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.
Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.
Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.
Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.
Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.
Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.
TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.
Final Fantasy XI is actually an example of what happens to a lot of products as they become "scare" - namely the price goes up somewhat as the product nears the end of its life cycle. You want some old RAM for example - good look finding any of that cheap.
The price drop is actually a great idea...This is what I was waiting for with ESO...didnt think it deserved 60 bucks, but when dropped ot 30.00 and even 10.00 in select Wal-Marts, I was more than excited to get it. It's a really good game, just not great.
Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.
Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.
Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.
TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.
Final Fantasy XI is actually an example of what happens to a lot of products as they become "scare" - namely the price goes up somewhat as the product nears the end of its life cycle. You want some old RAM for example - good look finding any of that cheap.
FFXI is not scarce or rare. It's the newest edition with all expansions. It's also not near the end of its life-cycle it just released a new expansion and is going strong on subscribers.
rumors come and go, but a reliable source has pointed at this game going f2p 2-3 months before console launch, and will launch on consoles as an f2p game.
Originally posted by Crusades rumors come and go, but a reliable source has pointed at this game going f2p 2-3 months before console launch, and will launch on consoles as an f2p game.
Crusades, can you stick to WS which clearly you are a fanboy of having checked your previous posts:
"(Wildstar) The game is actually a beautifully orchestrated masterpiece of an mmorpg. It's going to go down as one of the greatest in history."
In your signature you mount a diatribe against ESO and clearly want it to fail so WS does well, if the games that good, why are you posting on the ESO forums and not playing WS?
Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.
Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.
Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.
TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.
Final Fantasy XI is actually an example of what happens to a lot of products as they become "scare" - namely the price goes up somewhat as the product nears the end of its life cycle. You want some old RAM for example - good look finding any of that cheap.
FFXI is not scarce or rare. It's the newest edition with all expansions. It's also not near the end of its life-cycle it just released a new expansion and is going strong on subscribers.
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It's one of the longest running successful MMOS.
You cannot compare any old MMO with a new one in the area of price. SWTOR, RIft, TSW (was it P2P?); they are the only comparable MMOS I can think of. TESO is 30$ on Amazon atm.
Also still no proof of all these 10$ copies from Walmart that are supposedly on sale when the game is ~40$ on Walmart online.
FFXI is not scarce or rare. It's the newest edition with all expansions. It's also not near the end of its life-cycle it just released a new expansion and is going strong on subscribers.
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It's one of the longest running successful MMOS.
I should have been more explicit. The retail box copy - and this thread is about retail boxes - of FFXI is no longer being made. A mixed bag of retailers still sell it at a mixed bag of prices. "High" prices in several cases. What you can buy at amazon .com for $29.99 is the digital download.
We can expect the same to happen for TESO. Currently the price has dropped because retailers have more stock than they want. They make no profit on unsold stock; infact it costs them money: insurance, warehouse space, making sure it doesn't get damp, staff etc. So they reduce the price, pulp it, sell it on to TKMaxx - whatever - clearing space for the next "big thing".
When the retail box copies of TESO are "mostly sold or pulped" the retail box copies will become harder to find and the prices will probably go up. Just like FFXI. You will still be able to buy the digital download however - currently $59.99.
Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.
Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.
Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.
TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.
Final Fantasy XI is actually an example of what happens to a lot of products as they become "scare" - namely the price goes up somewhat as the product nears the end of its life cycle. You want some old RAM for example - good look finding any of that cheap.
FFXI is not scarce or rare. It's the newest edition with all expansions. It's also not near the end of its life-cycle it just released a new expansion and is going strong on subscribers.
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It's one of the longest running successful MMOS.
You cannot compare any old MMO with a new one in the area of price. SWTOR, RIft, TSW (was it P2P?); they are the only comparable MMOS I can think of. TESO is 30$ on Amazon atm.
Also still no proof of all these 10$ copies from Walmart that are supposedly on sale when the game is ~40$ on Walmart online.
More than likely they are just selling old stock that they need moving, its kind of telling that Amazon UK is selling the game for £20 now, which is well below the original price, even Wildstar is selling for £27, but i think one of the most telling features is that Amazon UK is not offering customers the option of buying the digital download version. Of course the other problem is that even at the reduced price, the game doesn't seem to be shifting any boxes, maybe Amazon will eventually do the Walmart thing and reduce the price yet again, their only other option is probably going to be to get their money back from Zenimax for unsold boxes.
Unlike a B2P where you can keep the box price high a P2P will drop of quickly. If someone wants to present evidence that TESO is dropping of faster or slower than average then fine. If not I think it is fare to say its dropping at an average rate.
Most stores like Walmart are allowed to set their own price, so I would not be surprised if you found a copy for 2$ if they wanted to get rid of old stock. In gaming 'old stock' means last months release.
Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.
TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.
Final Fantasy XI is actually an example of what happens to a lot of products as they become "scare" - namely the price goes up somewhat as the product nears the end of its life cycle. You want some old RAM for example - good look finding any of that cheap.
FFXI is not scarce or rare. It's the newest edition with all expansions. It's also not near the end of its life-cycle it just released a new expansion and is going strong on subscribers.
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It's one of the longest running successful MMOS.
You cannot compare any old MMO with a new one in the area of price. SWTOR, RIft, TSW (was it P2P?); they are the only comparable MMOS I can think of. TESO is 30$ on Amazon atm.
Also still no proof of all these 10$ copies from Walmart that are supposedly on sale when the game is ~40$ on Walmart online.
More than likely they are just selling old stock that they need moving, its kind of telling that Amazon UK is selling the game for £20 now, which is well below the original price, even Wildstar is selling for £27, but i think one of the most telling features is that Amazon UK is not offering customers the option of buying the digital download version. Of course the other problem is that even at the reduced price, the game doesn't seem to be shifting any boxes, maybe Amazon will eventually do the Walmart thing and reduce the price yet again, their only other option is probably going to be to get their money back from Zenimax for unsold boxes.
Wildstar is now only £24.55 on Amazon in fact, OMG the price is falling, the game must be crap! In the four hours since Phry posted it dropped £2.05. Obviously I have no proof there was a price drop, but you don't need proof to post anything on here!
Will we do that sort of post on the WS forums? I should hope not, but they deserve some of the same nonsense we are getting.
Wanting to shift stock is always going to make the price go down, when are our gaming pundits going to realise this? Well they think of themselves as pundits anyway.
The reason for the price drop is the same reason for the lawsuits, for double charging customers for their second month & not giving it to them, for locking the horse and imperial race behind a paywall, launching the game when it should still be in beta, etc. They are desperate to make back the money they have invested in this game. Millions were invested in this game because it was a rather safe investment with all the TES fans out there, they figured it would be easy to make their money back. Unfortunately though they decided to make DAoC2 with TES lore, instead of a TES game, and many TES fans either beta tested the game, or knew someone who did. The TES fans weren't fooled into buying this garbage as easily as the investors had hoped, so now they're pulling out all the stops to make their money back on this game before they decide to pull the plug.
I actually pity anyone who bought this game thinking they would get a TES game. You've been had.
Buying the game for $30 Versus someone who bought the game when it first came out, you've only saved yourself $30 and didn't enjoy the first few months of play.
If and when this game goes free to play or no box fee, you still had to wait to play.
========================== The game is dead not, this game is good we make it and Romania Tv give it 5 goat heads, this is good rating for game.
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If they sell a million or more copies it can actually almost completley cover the development cost the problem is ESO only sold 400k copies
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70799/the-elder-scrolls-online/
That is really not a good start for a MMO. Warhammer Online managed to sell 750k copies its first month.
Depends on the retailer Walmart will only give them about $20 but other stores its much higher. But lets not get into a whole economics debate
The point I was making is that the game only sold 400k copies (maybe double that with digital sales but even then thats not a lot) so that after the intial first month or two when ALL mmos see a 50% drop or more in subs things are not looking good.
Edit btw did they ever release their budget? I'm not saying you are wrong with the 200 million but I don't remember them releasing anything. All I know is that some of my friends at Zenimax told me they were throwing money at ESO as if it was the cure for cancer.
So that article is literally 'there are rumors that it's 200m' and it's substantiated by 'more rumors'.
No offense, I don't like ESO, but I don't think they spent 200million on it, they even said it wasn't 'close to 200 million' before when teased.
Also, your article was posted Jan 2.
Interestingly enough on Jan 1st this article was published. http://www.p4rgaming.com/zenimax-debunks-elder-scrolls-online-200m-budget-rumor-we-couldnt-have-wasted-that-much-money/
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Yeah, I know it's satire, the link they used was real, exactly.
Matt DID say that there was no way that they spent 200m ON TWITTER.
/facepalm
Edit: My point is there is NO NUMBERS! EITHER WAY! You are literally linking a rumor based off a rumor based off what some guy over heard his room mate say while on video chat with his nephew who knows a guy at ZoS. I.E. Bullshit.
My point in linking the first article was to point out to you that both of them, are equally stupid. /sigh
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The twitter message was not posted by a ZOS employee iirc but a game journalist (form Kotaku). Which was then picked up by even more and spread like wildfire without any evidence given (possibly why it was removed).
ZOS never released any information on it's budget, over than it's not $200 million (implied less, though not stated).
We were paying 50- 70 bucks for old Sega and Nintendo games back in the day on a 8/16/32 bit cartridge.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
9 Bucks for a new released mmo in less than 3 months is bad news for this game. It doesn't matter what fanboys say. This is not a good thing and Zenimax most be going to say something soon about the game. Some shake up must be coming and they are waiting to get as much money as they can first. I have never seen a price drop this fast for any mmo. If you can get it for 9 bucks somewhere than its pretty much over for making huge money on this game. And didn't they do some huge layoffs at the mmo branch of the company too? Not looking to good i think.
Let's be fair and compare it to an 11 year old P2P Fantasy MMO with only 500k subscribers.
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Final Fantasy XI still sells for $30 on amazon.
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TESO is like that half dead mouse your cat drops on your doorstep because it got tired playing with it.
they should have launched as a Buy 2 Play game with a cash shop instead of a Pay To Play game with a cash shop.
who knows maybe it will be a huge success on console.
Final Fantasy XI is actually an example of what happens to a lot of products as they become "scare" - namely the price goes up somewhat as the product nears the end of its life cycle. You want some old RAM for example - good look finding any of that cheap.
The price drop is actually a great idea...This is what I was waiting for with ESO...didnt think it deserved 60 bucks, but when dropped ot 30.00 and even 10.00 in select Wal-Marts, I was more than excited to get it. It's a really good game, just not great.
P.S. - Wildstar sucks
FFXI is not scarce or rare. It's the newest edition with all expansions. It's also not near the end of its life-cycle it just released a new expansion and is going strong on subscribers.
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It's one of the longest running successful MMOS.
Crusades, can you stick to WS which clearly you are a fanboy of having checked your previous posts:
"(Wildstar) The game is actually a beautifully orchestrated masterpiece of an mmorpg. It's going to go down as one of the greatest in history."
In your signature you mount a diatribe against ESO and clearly want it to fail so WS does well, if the games that good, why are you posting on the ESO forums and not playing WS?
You cannot compare any old MMO with a new one in the area of price. SWTOR, RIft, TSW (was it P2P?); they are the only comparable MMOS I can think of. TESO is 30$ on Amazon atm.
Also still no proof of all these 10$ copies from Walmart that are supposedly on sale when the game is ~40$ on Walmart online.
I should have been more explicit. The retail box copy - and this thread is about retail boxes - of FFXI is no longer being made. A mixed bag of retailers still sell it at a mixed bag of prices. "High" prices in several cases. What you can buy at amazon .com for $29.99 is the digital download.
We can expect the same to happen for TESO. Currently the price has dropped because retailers have more stock than they want. They make no profit on unsold stock; infact it costs them money: insurance, warehouse space, making sure it doesn't get damp, staff etc. So they reduce the price, pulp it, sell it on to TKMaxx - whatever - clearing space for the next "big thing".
When the retail box copies of TESO are "mostly sold or pulped" the retail box copies will become harder to find and the prices will probably go up. Just like FFXI. You will still be able to buy the digital download however - currently $59.99.
More than likely they are just selling old stock that they need moving, its kind of telling that Amazon UK is selling the game for £20 now, which is well below the original price, even Wildstar is selling for £27, but i think one of the most telling features is that Amazon UK is not offering customers the option of buying the digital download version. Of course the other problem is that even at the reduced price, the game doesn't seem to be shifting any boxes, maybe Amazon will eventually do the Walmart thing and reduce the price yet again, their only other option is probably going to be to get their money back from Zenimax for unsold boxes.
Wildstar is now only £24.55 on Amazon in fact, OMG the price is falling, the game must be crap! In the four hours since Phry posted it dropped £2.05. Obviously I have no proof there was a price drop, but you don't need proof to post anything on here!
Will we do that sort of post on the WS forums? I should hope not, but they deserve some of the same nonsense we are getting.
Wanting to shift stock is always going to make the price go down, when are our gaming pundits going to realise this? Well they think of themselves as pundits anyway.
The reason for the price drop is the same reason for the lawsuits, for double charging customers for their second month & not giving it to them, for locking the horse and imperial race behind a paywall, launching the game when it should still be in beta, etc. They are desperate to make back the money they have invested in this game. Millions were invested in this game because it was a rather safe investment with all the TES fans out there, they figured it would be easy to make their money back. Unfortunately though they decided to make DAoC2 with TES lore, instead of a TES game, and many TES fans either beta tested the game, or knew someone who did. The TES fans weren't fooled into buying this garbage as easily as the investors had hoped, so now they're pulling out all the stops to make their money back on this game before they decide to pull the plug.
I actually pity anyone who bought this game thinking they would get a TES game. You've been had.
Buying the game for $30 Versus someone who bought the game when it first came out, you've only saved yourself $30 and didn't enjoy the first few months of play.
If and when this game goes free to play or no box fee, you still had to wait to play.
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The game is dead not, this game is good we make it and Romania Tv give it 5 goat heads, this is good rating for game.