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It's certainly up there for me, primarily because the person using it is often mistaking their exceptional knowledge of how to play them for knowledge of how they work or how to create them.
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This would be a good example that experience is more credible. You are incorrect, MUD's have been around since the late 70's and satisfy all the requirements of being a MMORPG, they were just titled something different. The term MMORPG was coined by Garriot for Ultima Online, prior to that (M59) these types of games were called graphical MUD's. Since you judge people by their facts, it seems you have just lost all credibility with yourself. RIP game-cred.
1997 Lord British actualy made up the name :P
Before that they where called MUD's that when i started online gaming :P
(Damn u zac u beat me to it:P)
MUD games are not MMORPGs. Not by a long shot. Or do you mean that 20-50 people interacting at the same time on 1 server is massively multiplayer? MUDs were online text based RPGs but they were certainly not massively multiplayer online roleplaying games.
First MMOs were Meridian 59 and UO. UO coined the term as you pointed out.
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Who do you trust out of these two?
So 19 years not 20 :P
Anyways having 50 peep in a MUD in 1972 is for that time MASSIVE
Anyways u can still play m59
www.meridian59.com
I am playing MMOs for 24 years therefore it does not irritate me at all...
your opinion has 0% ,why cause what you like and what i like IS 2 seperate things.this is the case in ANY opinion subject.i have seen plenty of movies that people rave about and i think they suck,THAT is my opinion.i take others opinion as a guidance,but i do not rely on OTHERS opinions.
notice the lack of how many people are playing as part of definition.ergo 50 would seem like it qualifies.most MUDS are just 1 sever,i played on a mud that had 200 online at any time.
I've been playing MMO's for 20+ years...
Now get off my lawn ya whippersnappers...
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
The problem here is like so many young people maybe you are only hearing what you want to hear and not what is actually being said. Or you are too busy thinking about what you are going to respond with rather than trying to even open your mind an inch.
Perhaps the older person was trying to convey to you that you were not around when the first MMOs came out and how awesome they were because they were all about community....not bis, raids, rotations, dps counters, cash shops, general chat trolling, soloing the entire game, quest grinds, etc. I could go on and on and on. We older folks got to experience something many here did not, and you will never know it....never. Blah blah blah old people blah blah blah is all you will know.
And that's okay, because I am thankful I got to experience that moment in time when this genre was the coolest freaking thing on this planet. They were more than games, they were social experiences and all about community. I doubt we will ever see it again, you will never get to experience it. Your loss, not mine.
So when we say we know more about what makes this genre great, yea....we do. Great for us.
Exactly.
How many times have we seen those "Pick your top 3 mmo's" threads? If you go back a look at these threads closely you would see that the majority of the answers are clearly based on thier first mmo experience. It's unlikely to see one who experienced both DaoC and SWG end up choosing GW2 for best mmo.
My point is experience plays a large factor in your opinion. If your first mmo was an earlier model it tells me that you worked hard to progress through the game and you were there before all the luxuries. If a new game were to come out without these luxuries such as fast travel, you would most likely keep an open mind.
If you tried different types of mmo's and achieved a respectable level, that tells me you aren't limited by a particular model and you played the game long enough to understand the mechanics. Also have you experienced trying to make a mmo? If you tried programming your own game you might understand that there is no "perfect launch" only a launch with the fewest problems.
Ill just put it like this... If you are giving dating advice or just talking about women in general but you've only been on the scene for 11 months and you only date Romanian girls ill still listen but not very closely.
As opposed to mario kart, NHL 2000, metroid and Skyrim ? Other that really deep flight simulator (which could be complex for non pilot) I don't know many really complex games...
The most complex games are usually the ones with multiple path options, EVE for example can give neophyte nightmares. But once you grab the basics it's still not hard. Older RPG with decision making, could have some thinking involved.
I think MMO are in the top complex scale compared to other games, but even the most complex of em all isn't really rocket science.
Meh it can go either way imo, would you walk into a PC shop looking for repair and listen to the guy that has 20y exp or the guy panhandling for change by the door?
Its called an educated opinion, and you need that exp to become educated.
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No it does not.
So experience never means anything ? Bold statement.
In terms of video games? nope it doesn't. It is not some specific skill line that only few can pick up learn and then boast about their experience in terms of years. Any dick and harry can pick up a computer and console and start playing video games.
Almost everyone here who is in their 30's and 40's have 10+ years of experience with online games. It is silly to brag about something so pointless.
You played MMOS for 10 years? so did i..who gives a bloody toss really?
Yea 20 years ago we had MORPG, MMORPG are 18 years ago... is it really important ?
I think you are missing the point. It is not a matter of bragging, it's more about knowledge of the changes that operated over the years. So yes having played more games than someone else can give you a different point of view on certain things.
No one is talking about it making you play the game better.