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The Vilification of Brad Mcquaid

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  • TankYou88TankYou88 Member Posts: 310
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    However if people are going to flame him then look no further than Blizzard ,their big shots raked in 100's millions,something Brad has NEVER had the luxury of doing.Has Blizzard stolen that money from the gamer's who made it for Blizzard,most certainly they have because imo they have not come even remotely close to putting back a fair share into the game.

    So how is Blizzard's operations and different than anything Brad has ever done?You think Blizzard tells all it's employees where the money is going?You think when Blizzard deposits 500 million into the bank they are thinking about the little guy making 40k a year,while the big shots live in mansions and travel the world?

    Did Blizzard take a bunch of customer money for a game that never launched?

    I don't think you understand how crowdsourcing works....

    If you would actually go to the website, it was very clear what the money was going to. That is, paying the developers for the prototype, and then shopping it around to investors. The rest went to the website. There were literally no surprises.

    Except when you have it on Kickstarter or Indiegogo you are insuring that you will make a product and if you dont then you can be made to repay all the money. Kickstarter just sued a company recently and refunded all the money to the people who got screwed over by some guy who was making custom playing card decks.

    For the most part you are paying for a product before hand similar to a preorder but for this the product is yet to be produced and could take some time to create.

    We also know that 45k was taken out of the 150k budget for Brad himself and was 3 months of pay... according to him. How did he expect to make a game that will take years to make on 150k when he is paying himself 15k a month and not paying anyone else apparently at the same time.

    Have you seen what he put out recently that was showing off the game? The character designs were bought from another company, the animations were horrible. He also said it was suppose to only showcase the environment, which he could have done without using character models that were not his and showing his ass. 150k and nothing to show for it.

  • Jadedangel1Jadedangel1 Member UncommonPosts: 187
    OP, I see many post from you on this thread and others, all in defense of Brad McQuaid. Why is that? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, not me trying to troll you. Or are you Brad himself? If not, I just find it odd that you would staunchly defend someone you don't know. Despite all evidence to the contrary (circumstantial or not), how can you still defend this man? You act like everyone is on a witch hunt, but what has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt? Again, honest question.
  • TibernicuspaTibernicuspa Member UncommonPosts: 1,199
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    However if people are going to flame him then look no further than Blizzard ,their big shots raked in 100's millions,something Brad has NEVER had the luxury of doing.Has Blizzard stolen that money from the gamer's who made it for Blizzard,most certainly they have because imo they have not come even remotely close to putting back a fair share into the game.

    So how is Blizzard's operations and different than anything Brad has ever done?You think Blizzard tells all it's employees where the money is going?You think when Blizzard deposits 500 million into the bank they are thinking about the little guy making 40k a year,while the big shots live in mansions and travel the world?

    Did Blizzard take a bunch of customer money for a game that never launched?

    I don't think you understand how crowdsourcing works....

    If you would actually go to the website, it was very clear what the money was going to. That is, paying the developers for the prototype, and then shopping it around to investors. The rest went to the website. There were literally no surprises.

    Except when you have it on Kickstarter or Indiegogo you are insuring that you will make a product and if you dont then you can be made to repay all the money. For Kickstarter, yes. Actually how it works is, if the project doesn't fund, you NEVER GET CHARGED. It's not a refund. So nobody got charged for the Pantheon kickstarter, because it didn't fund, and that's the most basic principal of Kickstarter, and you seem not to understand it. can't wait to read the rest of your post... Kickstarter just sued a company recently and refunded all the money to the people who got screwed over by some guy who was making custom playing card decks. Cool?

    For the most part you are paying for a product before hand similar to a preorder but for this the product is yet to be produced and could take some time to create. Okay? We don't exactly need a reminder on how crowdsourcing works... but you seem to need it.

    We also know that 45k was taken out of the 150k budget for Brad himself and was 3 months of pay... according to him. Not the entire story actually, at this point, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore. How did he expect to make a game that will take years to make on 150k when he is paying himself 15k a month and not paying anyone else apparently at the same time. He didn't, he clearly stated that the money he got was towards a prototype which would be sent out to investors who would then fund further development. That was the deal going into the funding.

    Have you seen what he put out recently that was showing off the game? The character designs were bought from another company, the animations were horrible. Holy shit, it's a pre alpha tech demo. The game hasn't even started proper development yet. Would you rather he HIDE the game from everyone until it's pretty so that everyone can scream that he's not working on the game and that he ran off with the money?  He also said it was suppose to only showcase the environment, which he could have done without using character models that were not his and showing his ass. 150k and nothing to show for it.

    Believe your own fairy tales buddy.

     

  • TankYou88TankYou88 Member Posts: 310
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    However if people are going to flame him then look no further than Blizzard ,their big shots raked in 100's millions,something Brad has NEVER had the luxury of doing.Has Blizzard stolen that money from the gamer's who made it for Blizzard,most certainly they have because imo they have not come even remotely close to putting back a fair share into the game.

    So how is Blizzard's operations and different than anything Brad has ever done?You think Blizzard tells all it's employees where the money is going?You think when Blizzard deposits 500 million into the bank they are thinking about the little guy making 40k a year,while the big shots live in mansions and travel the world?

    Did Blizzard take a bunch of customer money for a game that never launched?

    I don't think you understand how crowdsourcing works....

    If you would actually go to the website, it was very clear what the money was going to. That is, paying the developers for the prototype, and then shopping it around to investors. The rest went to the website. There were literally no surprises.

    Except when you have it on Kickstarter or Indiegogo you are insuring that you will make a product and if you dont then you can be made to repay all the money. For Kickstarter, yes. Actually how it works is, if the project doesn't fund, you NEVER GET CHARGED. It's not a refund. So nobody got charged for the Pantheon kickstarter, because it didn't fund, and that's the most basic principal of Kickstarter, and you seem not to understand it. can't wait to read the rest of your post... Kickstarter just sued a company recently and refunded all the money to the people who got screwed over by some guy who was making custom playing card decks. Cool?

    For the most part you are paying for a product before hand similar to a preorder but for this the product is yet to be produced and could take some time to create. Okay? We don't exactly need a reminder on how crowdsourcing works... but you seem to need it.

    We also know that 45k was taken out of the 150k budget for Brad himself and was 3 months of pay... according to him. Not the entire story actually, at this point, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore. How did he expect to make a game that will take years to make on 150k when he is paying himself 15k a month and not paying anyone else apparently at the same time. He didn't, he clearly stated that the money he got was towards a prototype which would be sent out to investors who would then fund further development. That was the deal going into the funding.

    Have you seen what he put out recently that was showing off the game? The character designs were bought from another company, the animations were horrible. Holy shit, it's a pre alpha tech demo. The game hasn't even started proper development yet. Would you rather he HIDE the game from everyone until it's pretty so that everyone can scream that he's not working on the game and that he ran off with the money?  He also said it was suppose to only showcase the environment, which he could have done without using character models that were not his and showing his ass. 150k and nothing to show for it.

    Believe your own fairy tales buddy.

     

    I dont think you understand what you are reading. If you donate on kickstarter and the project is funded then you are guaranteed to get a product, if not you get refunded.

    Sounds like you are one of the fans who paid him so he could pay his medical bills. Also yes he did run off with the money. A few months ago he changed everything after he took 45k from the money the fans gave him. He said that any money that went to the project wouldnt be going to the game anymore and that nothing was guaranteed.

    You shouldnt take your anger on me, I didnt steal your money.

  • TibernicuspaTibernicuspa Member UncommonPosts: 1,199
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    However if people are going to flame him then look no further than Blizzard ,their big shots raked in 100's millions,something Brad has NEVER had the luxury of doing.Has Blizzard stolen that money from the gamer's who made it for Blizzard,most certainly they have because imo they have not come even remotely close to putting back a fair share into the game.

    So how is Blizzard's operations and different than anything Brad has ever done?You think Blizzard tells all it's employees where the money is going?You think when Blizzard deposits 500 million into the bank they are thinking about the little guy making 40k a year,while the big shots live in mansions and travel the world?

    Did Blizzard take a bunch of customer money for a game that never launched?

    I don't think you understand how crowdsourcing works....

    If you would actually go to the website, it was very clear what the money was going to. That is, paying the developers for the prototype, and then shopping it around to investors. The rest went to the website. There were literally no surprises.

    Except when you have it on Kickstarter or Indiegogo you are insuring that you will make a product and if you dont then you can be made to repay all the money. For Kickstarter, yes. Actually how it works is, if the project doesn't fund, you NEVER GET CHARGED. It's not a refund. So nobody got charged for the Pantheon kickstarter, because it didn't fund, and that's the most basic principal of Kickstarter, and you seem not to understand it. can't wait to read the rest of your post... Kickstarter just sued a company recently and refunded all the money to the people who got screwed over by some guy who was making custom playing card decks. Cool?

    For the most part you are paying for a product before hand similar to a preorder but for this the product is yet to be produced and could take some time to create. Okay? We don't exactly need a reminder on how crowdsourcing works... but you seem to need it.

    We also know that 45k was taken out of the 150k budget for Brad himself and was 3 months of pay... according to him. Not the entire story actually, at this point, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore. How did he expect to make a game that will take years to make on 150k when he is paying himself 15k a month and not paying anyone else apparently at the same time. He didn't, he clearly stated that the money he got was towards a prototype which would be sent out to investors who would then fund further development. That was the deal going into the funding.

    Have you seen what he put out recently that was showing off the game? The character designs were bought from another company, the animations were horrible. Holy shit, it's a pre alpha tech demo. The game hasn't even started proper development yet. Would you rather he HIDE the game from everyone until it's pretty so that everyone can scream that he's not working on the game and that he ran off with the money?  He also said it was suppose to only showcase the environment, which he could have done without using character models that were not his and showing his ass. 150k and nothing to show for it.

    Believe your own fairy tales buddy.

     

    I dont think you understand what you are reading. If you donate on kickstarter and the project is funded then you are guaranteed to get a product, if not you get refunded. Yes, and Pantheon didn't get Kickstarted, it failed to meet funding, which means no one was charged any money at all at any point.

    Sounds like you are one of the fans who paid him so he could pay his medical bills Uh, so first you say he took it for salary, now you say it was for medical bills? Even you can't keep your story straight.. Also yes he did run off with the money. A few months ago he changed everything after he took 45k from the money the fans gave him. He changed nothing. He said that any money that went to the project wouldnt be going to the game anymore and that nothing was guaranteed. He said the leftover funds would go to the website while he shopped the protype around.

    You shouldnt take your anger on me, I didnt steal your money.

    Never spent a dime buddy.

  • DarLorkarDarLorkar Member UncommonPosts: 1,082

    Meh, i do not care about the latest whatever it is..trying to make a bigger and better EQ was doomed to niche status before the first line of code was written.

     

    That is the issue to me, why support a person that does not see that? Hate him? No,  do not know enough about the guy to care that much really. But support or care about his project?  No.

     

    Would not give a  dime, or a care really, till i saw a produced and released game that was not a re-hash of old games that like to punish you to play them.

     

     

  • sludgebeardsludgebeard Member RarePosts: 788
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Jadedangel1
    OP, I see many post from you on this thread and others, all in defense of Brad McQuaid. Why is that? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, not me trying to troll you. Or are you Brad himself? If not, I just find it odd that you would staunchly defend someone you don't know. Despite all evidence to the contrary (circumstantial or not), how can you still defend this man? You act like everyone is on a witch hunt, but what has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt? Again, honest question.

    That might be a great point. Both the people defending him have accounts from the same time and both are very upset that people are upset that he stole money from people who needs the money more than him, no one needs to pay for his drug addiction. Let him ruin his own life for that not everyone elses.

    The conspiracy runs deep, the two posters are the same person, and are also Brad.

    We are the Triumverate know as Bradsivi. 

     

     

    On a serious note, since your questioning my credability as a poster, I am not actually "Defending" Brad at all. Im merely adding some conjecture to the rampant 1-sided conversationalists that decide Brad is nothing short of the Doom-Bringer of MMO's. The man doesnt deserve the hatred, and some people still think its ok, it is not.

     

    Theres nothing positive, righteous, or even correct about hating Brad. And do you know why? Because the facts arent there to support the hate. 

     

    What do the facts tell us? Brad is a terrible manager and yes, if you dont trust his management skills, you shouldnt give money to his kickstarters, you shouldnt give your money or your time to someone you dont think capable, yes that is all correct. But vilification and staunch judgements dont belong in a logical argument, they just push the real issues down and confuse the rest.

  • TibernicuspaTibernicuspa Member UncommonPosts: 1,199
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Jadedangel1
    OP, I see many post from you on this thread and others, all in defense of Brad McQuaid. Why is that? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, not me trying to troll you. Or are you Brad himself? If not, I just find it odd that you would staunchly defend someone you don't know. Despite all evidence to the contrary (circumstantial or not), how can you still defend this man? You act like everyone is on a witch hunt, but what has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt? Again, honest question.

     no one needs to pay for his drug addiction. Let him ruin his own life for that not everyone elses.

    Okay, so you just lost 100% of your credibility if you believe tabloid clickbait.

     

    I have a timeshare I want to sell you...

    It was from an employee who said he didnt get paid from brad after he took 45k for himself. More reliable than anything you have said.

    No, the drug addiction thing. Which was from an admin of a fansite. The 45k thing is also completely unconfirmed, posted on a website that gets maybe 40 hits a day, but that's not what I was calling out.

  • TankYou88TankYou88 Member Posts: 310
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Jadedangel1
    OP, I see many post from you on this thread and others, all in defense of Brad McQuaid. Why is that? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, not me trying to troll you. Or are you Brad himself? If not, I just find it odd that you would staunchly defend someone you don't know. Despite all evidence to the contrary (circumstantial or not), how can you still defend this man? You act like everyone is on a witch hunt, but what has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt? Again, honest question.

     no one needs to pay for his drug addiction. Let him ruin his own life for that not everyone elses.

    Okay, so you just lost 100% of your credibility if you believe tabloid clickbait.

     

    I have a timeshare I want to sell you...

    It was from an employee who said he didnt get paid from brad after he took 45k for himself. More reliable than anything you have said.

    No, the drug addiction thing. Which was from an admin of a fansite. The 45k thing is also completely unconfirmed, posted on a website that gets maybe 40 hits a day, but that's not what I was calling out.

    Facebook only gets 40 people a day? That is who posted it, the patheon facebook had an argument with his wife about it where she says he deserved that money.

  • siicAdelicsiicAdelic Member Posts: 31
    Originally posted by Loke666

    Brad is a brilliant game designer but he sucks at economy. As long as you pair him up with a realistic guy who takes care of the money and a few good programmers things are peachy but putting him in charge of everything will just make SIGIL repeat itself.

    He is hardly a monster because of that, even if I still wouldn't put a dime into a project he is leading unless someone else hold the money.

    You obviously do not know him. 

    Brad never coded a damn thing in his life. 

    Granted he stole enough code and credit some people may think so.

  • Jadedangel1Jadedangel1 Member UncommonPosts: 187
    Originally posted by sludgebeard
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Jadedangel1
    OP, I see many post from you on this thread and others, all in defense of Brad McQuaid. Why is that? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, not me trying to troll you. Or are you Brad himself? If not, I just find it odd that you would staunchly defend someone you don't know. Despite all evidence to the contrary (circumstantial or not), how can you still defend this man? You act like everyone is on a witch hunt, but what has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt? Again, honest question.

    That might be a great point. Both the people defending him have accounts from the same time and both are very upset that people are upset that he stole money from people who needs the money more than him, no one needs to pay for his drug addiction. Let him ruin his own life for that not everyone elses.

    The conspiracy runs deep, the two posters are the same person, and are also Brad.

    We are the Triumverate know as Bradsivi. 

     

     

    On a serious note, since your questioning my credability as a poster, I am not actually "Defending" Brad at all. Im merely adding some conjecture to the rampant 1-sided conversationalists that decide Brad is nothing short of the Doom-Bringer of MMO's. The man doesnt deserve the hatred, and some people still think its ok, it is not.

     

    Theres nothing positive, righteous, or even correct about hating Brad. And do you know why? Because the facts arent there to support the hate. 

     

    What do the facts tell us? Brad is a terrible manager and yes, if you dont trust his management skills, you shouldnt give money to his kickstarters, you shouldnt give your money or your time to someone you dont think capable, yes that is all correct. But vilification and staunch judgements dont belong in a logical argument, they just push the real issues down and confuse the rest.

    You say you are not "defending him", but then you go on to mention about it not being "righteous" to hate him. Really odd choice of words there. You say it's not "correct"? Again, my honest question to you is, how do you know it's not correct? I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but you're talking as if you yourself are the only correct one here and has all the answers. How can this be? That makes no sense to me, especially since you say you don't know him. 

    If you're just responding to the "1-sided conversationalists" as you say, why not reply on the threads or places it occurs instead of posting new threads about it? It says a lot that the moment I saw the thread title I automatically knew it was you who had posted it, even before reading the OP. Believe what you want about the guy (I myself don't care about him either way, he's no one in my world), and conspiracy theories aside, I just don't understand practically placing a person up high on a pedestal just because you liked a game he designed a decade ago. 

    And no, don't worry about me giving money to him or any other bit of "crowdfunding". I don't put out money for products that don't exist.

  • siicAdelicsiicAdelic Member Posts: 31
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by Geebus80

    Brad, I am sure, is not a bad person, but he has let his fans down multiple times and the results of his efforts usually result in failure and or a big screw over.

    You use words like "usually" and "multiple times"... what big "screw over" happened, exactly? People were let down by the state of Vanguard, and every squarely pinned the blame on his shoulders, despite it being more to do with Microsoft than anyone else.

    What other times did people get "screwed over"?

    ENNNNNN WRONG!!!

     

    Sigil had a CONTRACT with microsoft that Sigil signed and agreed to. 

     

    Sigil agreed to meet project development progression deadlines.

    Sigil missed the first 5 deadlines in a row before microsoft even brought in oversight to check out the game direction and progress.

    When the microsoft team saw the lack of progress and the piece of crap sigil was making, microsoft tried to step in and take over the project.

    Brad threw a childish little hissy fit just like he did 100 times at SOE. Microsoft gave them three months to catch up the project Sigil ignored them, so Microsoft pulled funding.

    Sigil crawled back to SOE and got destroyed on the deal with SOE basically signing over the entire game for nothing.

    Hence ended all association between Brad and SOE, and Brad and Microsoft. 

     

    I mean honestly when nobody not SOE, Microsoft, Trion, EA, or even PWI want anything to do with Brad, you would think the public would take it as a warning sign.

  • Greymantle4Greymantle4 Member UncommonPosts: 809
    Originally posted by siicAdelic
     

    I mean honestly when nobody not SOE, Microsoft, Trion, EA, or even PWI want anything to do with Brad, you would think the public would take it as a warning sign.

    Just a heads up Brad was hired by SOE on July 6, 2012 and worked until September 9, 2013 when he left to do his own game.

  • STYNKFYSTSTYNKFYST Member Posts: 290

    It's funny how many of you think you have the right to voice an opinion on Brad. As if you really truly know the history. You know what you read here....which is nothing.

     

    Pathetic...

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Member CommonPosts: 2,556
    Originally posted by siicAdelic
    Originally posted by Loke666

    Brad is a brilliant game designer but he sucks at economy. As long as you pair him up with a realistic guy who takes care of the money and a few good programmers things are peachy but putting him in charge of everything will just make SIGIL repeat itself.

    He is hardly a monster because of that, even if I still wouldn't put a dime into a project he is leading unless someone else hold the money.

    You obviously do not know him. 

    Brad never coded a damn thing in his life. 

    Granted he stole enough code and credit some people may think so.

    Uhh... he was one of two programmers who made WarWizard, the game that got them noticed by Smed, who hired him to code EverQuest. He was the lead coder on EQ for over a year before he focused on design work.

     

  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Member CommonPosts: 2,556
    Originally posted by siicAdelic
    Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
    Originally posted by Geebus80

    Brad, I am sure, is not a bad person, but he has let his fans down multiple times and the results of his efforts usually result in failure and or a big screw over.

    You use words like "usually" and "multiple times"... what big "screw over" happened, exactly? People were let down by the state of Vanguard, and every squarely pinned the blame on his shoulders, despite it being more to do with Microsoft than anyone else.

    What other times did people get "screwed over"?

    ENNNNNN WRONG!!!

     

    Sigil had a CONTRACT with microsoft that Sigil signed and agreed to. 

    Sigil agreed to meet project development progression deadlines.

    Sigil missed the first 5 deadlines in a row before microsoft even brought in oversight to check out the game direction and progress. ENNN, WRONG. Show me the source baby.

    When the microsoft team saw the lack of progress and the piece of crap sigil was making, microsoft tried to step in and take over the project. ENNN, WRONG. Microsoft never attempted to take over the project. What happened was, the CEO that commissioned the game was almost entirely hands on, just checking in now and then. The SECOND CEO didn't want to make the MMO. At first he tried to shut it down, then he tried to have them completely redesign it. When Sigil refused, he cut them lose.

    Brad threw a childish little hissy fit just like he did 100 times at SOE. Microsoft gave them three months to catch up the project Sigil ignored them, so Microsoft pulled funding. Okay, I'm starting to believe that this is some weird fan fiction, there is no source for any of this.

    Sigil crawled back to SOE and got destroyed on the deal with SOE basically signing over the entire game for nothing.

    Hence ended all association between Brad and SOE, and Brad and Microsoft.  Except for, you know,  when Brad was hired back by SOE last year... Dude, you have some serious SOURCE issues.

     

    I mean honestly when nobody not SOE, Microsoft, Trion, EA, or even PWI want anything to do with Brad, you would think the public would take it as a warning sign. Smed has openly supported Brad multiple times since Vanguard. Try again.

    This is an expert work of fanfic.

  • coventryhagdogcoventryhagdog Member Posts: 85

    Are you fucking serious?

    This is the asshole who blew millions on the epic failure known as Vanguard.

    If anybody gives this guy money again, they are completely daft.

    Before you say "VANGUARD WAS GOOD".

     

    No. I played it from release. I played it beta, post beta, etc.

    The game was a development disaster.

     

  • TibernicuspaTibernicuspa Member UncommonPosts: 1,199
    Originally posted by coventryhagdog

    Are you fucking serious?

    This is the asshole who blew millions on the epic failure known as Vanguard.

    If anybody gives this guy money again, they are completely daft.

    Before you say "VANGUARD WAS GOOD".

     

    No. I played it from release. I played it beta, post beta, etc.

    The game was a development disaster.

     

    And yet tons of people loved it and see it as the last great AAA MMO.

    The only issues were with bugs, not design. And he's a DESIGNER for this game, not the CEO or COO.

  • DoomsDay01DoomsDay01 Member UncommonPosts: 783
    Originally posted by coventryhagdog

    Are you fucking serious?

    This is the asshole who blew millions on the epic failure known as Vanguard.

    If anybody gives this guy money again, they are completely daft.

    Before you say "VANGUARD WAS GOOD".

     

    No. I played it from release. I played it beta, post beta, etc.

    The game was a development disaster.

     

    Thats really odd. Me and my group of friends played it from beta and loved it. Did it have problems? Sure. But the real tragedy didnt happen to vanguard till microsoft got it.  Sure they fixed things here and there but they did far worse to it by trying to dumb down the game and make it into a wow clone. Just like they have done to almost all of their games. Is Brad a saint? Hell no. I do think the man has got vision though. I think in the right setting with the right structure, he could produce a hell of a game.

    Remember EQ2? When it first came out it ran like crap even on high end pcs. It had tons of bugs and problems and had the resources of sony behind it. Vanguard was certainly not a development disaster. Even during beta of vanguard, I was able to run the game on pretty high settings with little problems. I could not do that when eq2 came out. It ran like crap when I turned on high settings compared to vanguard. The only real issues I ever had with vanguard was at zone lines. Getting knocked off my flying mount when crossing and the few seconds after entering a zone.

     

    I would most certainly play a game that brad makes long before I would even think about playing a game smed was in charge of.

  • KuviskiKuviski Member UncommonPosts: 215

    I don't get the rampant hate against McQuaid either, but it seems to have really spread wide.

     

    Really, it doesn't seem to be based on rationale but rather weak internet rumours, the type of which I've seen people try to spread of other (mainly indie) developers - in McQuaid's case he just happens to have a few failures behind him and that has made him an easy target of a campaign, I think.

     

    What I find ironic is that while McQuaid's forced to take a lot of crap, Smedley seems to surprisingly be on the rise thans to EQN. If anything, he's  a person you would think people really have a reason to hate.

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  • TankYou88TankYou88 Member Posts: 310
    Originally posted by Kuviski

    I don't get the rampant hate against McQuaid either, but it seems to have really spread wide.

     

    Really, it doesn't seem to be based on rationale but rather weak internet rumours, the type of which I've seen people try to spread of other (mainly indie) developers - in McQuaid's case he just happens to have a few failures behind him and that has made him an easy target of a campaign, I think.

     

    What I find ironic is that while McQuaid's forced to take a lot of crap, Smedley seems to surprisingly be on the rise thans to EQN. If anything, he's  a person you would think people really have a reason to hate.

    I think the hate is about him taking out 45k out of the 150k budget for him alone before paying any of his employees.

  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,413

    The thing I don't like about Brad McQuaid is that we all want to be the lead on an mmo development life cycle. This guy has been the lead twice and was funded in those positions. Now he wants to be lead again with other people funding it. I think its a bit of jealousy.

    The other factor is that the biggest quality for any lead on an mmo project is management skills. Everyone here has great ideas on an mmo, but few can actually deliver on a consistent design goal. This guy has shown to have very little management skill to deliver on his ideas.  Would I give him my own money to try again? Probably not, because I feel my ideas on an mmo are better and I am more qualified to lead the project to completion.

  • KuviskiKuviski Member UncommonPosts: 215
    Originally posted by TankYou88
    Originally posted by Kuviski

    I don't get the rampant hate against McQuaid either, but it seems to have really spread wide.

     

    Really, it doesn't seem to be based on rationale but rather weak internet rumours, the type of which I've seen people try to spread of other (mainly indie) developers - in McQuaid's case he just happens to have a few failures behind him and that has made him an easy target of a campaign, I think.

     

    What I find ironic is that while McQuaid's forced to take a lot of crap, Smedley seems to surprisingly be on the rise thans to EQN. If anything, he's  a person you would think people really have a reason to hate.

    I think the hate is about him taking out 45k out of the 150k budget for him alone before paying any of his employees.

    Do we even know the details to make such broad judgements about it? All I've seen is a Facebook screenshot of a an apparently removed comment by an employee's wife where she claims McQuaid stole 45K. It all seems extremely fishy to me, the rumour itself that is.

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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227

     

    I personally think it is the very simple fact that he is repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Overreaching and under delivering.

     

    Also he could not project lead a kitten out of a paper bag.

     

    But he is still a good designer, just not a project manager.

    This have been a good conversation

  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    Originally posted by Kuviski

    I don't get the rampant hate against McQuaid either, but it seems to have really spread wide.

     

    Really, it doesn't seem to be based on rationale but rather weak internet rumours, the type of which I've seen people try to spread of other (mainly indie) developers - in McQuaid's case he just happens to have a few failures behind him and that has made him an easy target of a campaign, I think.

     

    What I find ironic is that while McQuaid's forced to take a lot of crap, Smedley seems to surprisingly be on the rise thans to EQN. If anything, he's  a person you would think people really have a reason to hate.

    It's not the failures, it's the disasters. If a game launched and didn't do so well people would probably forget about it and him. But when every project he's touched in the last decade seems to end with money scandals, staff and fans getting screwed over..etc.etc.. and all of these things center around him. That's where people start to see him as more than just a guy that failed at making a game.

    Look at Curt Schilling as an example. He's not some monster or villain of the gaming industry. He's just a guy that messed up and failed at what he set out to do. People gossiped when it first happened and then moved on. Now if he were to do a kickstarter, take a bunch of money from people and then "fail" again but making sure he was well paid for his time. Opinions would change.

    I don't think Brad is a villain...that's kind of silly. But I think he should stay away from the captains chair from now on and maybe look at a consulting position.

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