People don't arbitrarily hate on someone for no reason at all, particularly someone who, by all rights, should own the street cred of being the guy who built the anti-WoW.
People despise McQuaid for a reason: he's despicable. Those of us who have known him know how he treats other people in reality, and anyone familiar with the final days of Vanguard can tell you how the man's utter lack of character revealed itself when his people needed him the most and he abandoned them without even the courtesy of telling them to their faces. He's a coward.
He is gutless, without scruples, and a blazing hypocrite. A talented game designer, perhaps, and for that he earns his place in the discussion. But no one is "unfairly berating" him. He reaps what he has sown. And he will always be remembered that way.
Men do not stop playing because they grow old. They grow old because they stop playing. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes
Going to ignore how his coworkers admitted that he's a coke head and rarely showed up to work?
Clearly this man deserves your money.
"OMG VANGUARD BEST AAA GAME EVER"
That's why it's currently doing so well.
Well to be fair once the blame game start all manner of rumours start flying. So i would take that with a grain of salt until i see actually paperwork on it.
I don't get the rampant hate against McQuaid either, but it seems to have really spread wide.
Really, it doesn't seem to be based on rationale but rather weak internet rumours, the type of which I've seen people try to spread of other (mainly indie) developers - in McQuaid's case he just happens to have a few failures behind him and that has made him an easy target of a campaign, I think.
What I find ironic is that while McQuaid's forced to take a lot of crap, Smedley seems to surprisingly be on the rise thans to EQN. If anything, he's a person you would think people really have a reason to hate.
It's not the failures, it's the disasters. If a game launched and didn't do so well people would probably forget about it and him. But when every project he's touched in the last decade seems to end with money scandals, staff and fans getting screwed over..etc.etc.. and all of these things center around him. That's where people start to see him as more than just a guy that failed at making a game.
Look at Curt Schilling as an example. He's not some monster or villain of the gaming industry. He's just a guy that messed up and failed at what he set out to do. People gossiped when it first happened and then moved on. Now if he were to do a kickstarter, take a bunch of money from people and then "fail" again but making sure he was well paid for his time. Opinions would change.
I don't think Brad is a villain...that's kind of silly. But I think he should stay away from the captains chair from now on and maybe look at a consulting position.
My take on it is, when you lay it out like that "everything within the last decade has been a disaster" it does sound bad, but then when you think about what he's done in the last decade all you have to really look at is VG:SOH. His current game hasn't even got off the ground. Is that because of the stigma with VG and the fallout from it? OR is it something else? I'd go with VG being the reason personally. As well as the rumors out there about him, yet most of those are still tied to the VG fiasco. As that's when most of those rumors surfaced, or the cause oft them surfacing later.
I can't think of any other entertainment medium where such would really transpire in such a way. All because of one failed venture. Maybe he had a drug habit, I don't know, I do know that such a rumor can do a lot to ones reputation on the net, with the holier than thou crowd. But for the regular person that's not so bad in the grand scheme of things.
I just can't believe so many judge a person based on internet hearsay. To me that's like using tabloids as your source of evidence. A lot of it is going to be hyperbole at best, a game of telephone at worst.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I don't get the rampant hate against McQuaid either, but it seems to have really spread wide.
Really, it doesn't seem to be based on rationale but rather weak internet rumours, the type of which I've seen people try to spread of other (mainly indie) developers - in McQuaid's case he just happens to have a few failures behind him and that has made him an easy target of a campaign, I think.
What I find ironic is that while McQuaid's forced to take a lot of crap, Smedley seems to surprisingly be on the rise thans to EQN. If anything, he's a person you would think people really have a reason to hate.
It's not the failures, it's the disasters. If a game launched and didn't do so well people would probably forget about it and him. But when every project he's touched in the last decade seems to end with money scandals, staff and fans getting screwed over..etc.etc.. and all of these things center around him. That's where people start to see him as more than just a guy that failed at making a game.
Look at Curt Schilling as an example. He's not some monster or villain of the gaming industry. He's just a guy that messed up and failed at what he set out to do. People gossiped when it first happened and then moved on. Now if he were to do a kickstarter, take a bunch of money from people and then "fail" again but making sure he was well paid for his time. Opinions would change.
I don't think Brad is a villain...that's kind of silly. But I think he should stay away from the captains chair from now on and maybe look at a consulting position.
My take on it is, when you lay it out like that "everything within the last decade has been a disaster" it does sound bad, but then when you think about what he's done in the last decade all you have to really look at is VG:SOH. His current game hasn't even got off the ground. Is that because of the stigma with VG and the fallout from it? OR is it something else? I'd go with VG being the reason personally. As well as the rumors out there about him, yet most of those are still tied to the VG fiasco. As that's when most of those rumors surfaced, or the cause oft them surfacing later.
I can't think of any other entertainment medium where such would really transpire in such a way. All because of one failed venture. Maybe he had a drug habit, I don't know, I do know that such a rumor can do a lot to ones reputation on the net, with the holier than thou crowd. But for the regular person that's not so bad in the grand scheme of things.
I just can't believe so many judge a person based on internet hearsay. To me that's like using tabloids as your source of evidence. A lot of it is going to be hyperbole at best, a game of telephone at worst.
I couldn't care less about the drugs, or if he's an asshole or whatever. I don't even care if his games just fail. It's how they fail and how much pain and suffering everyone that works with him seems to go through that makes me think he's not someone people should be giving money to. That being said, I don't care if people do. If he funds a game and it works out, I wont be there bashing it or trying to bring it down.
Only the internet is able to create people - that if kicked in the balls - cheer, applaud and ask for more.
Bravo guys. Keep it up, lol.
Winning a discussion is not what it's about. If you could pass insight to someone or learn something from it in return - noone can really loose, can they?
There's quite the evidence stacked against him. But really, if you have an unquestionable faith in him, then please donate your entire lifesavings to him.
There's quite the evidence stacked against him. But really, if you have an unquestionable faith in him, then please donate your entire lifesavings to him.
Just don't say we didn't warn you.
His failed KS garnered over $400k of his $800k asking. That's still quite a lot of people who have "unquestionable faith in him". The funny part now is that he seems to be kicking himself and wishing that the KS goal was in the $400 k range. I lol'd when I read that... Duh, I bet he did.
Just reading this thread and remembering this is why I will never give to any kick starter program.
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Originally posted by RavingRabbid Just reading this thread and remembering this is why I will never give to any kick starter program.
Kickstarter guarantees you a product. So far I have had tons of games that have been successful and delivered a great game. On Steam there is over 100 games that were made from kickstarter which they guarantee as well.
I like Brad's ideas as far as game design go. His two games, EQ1 and Vanguard, I loved. I am following his new game and look forward to playing it as soon as possible. AS far as his drug issues in the past... Why do I care? He hasn't stolen any of my money, so he gets a pass as far as I am concerned. A lot of people battle with addiction issues, and it doesn't mean they cannot be successful.
Blizzard wasted hundreds of millions on the next MMORPG and then canned it. Brad only took $45k. Blizzard wasted over $100 millions and had to start over.
How about FFXIV? Wasted millions and had to start over.
IF BLIZZARD AND SQUARE are willing to waste millions and continue on, then I say we need to give Brad millions to make the next great game
Don't attempt to make sense!
Yeah, FF14 was a massive disaster. They took a ton of customer money and then shut down for 2 years. Yet people seem peachy with it because there's no NAME branded on the game.
FFXIV 1.0 was up and running the whole time , they never shut down the servers , the removed the sub fee too, i was able to log in and play , SE even gave 1.0 players 3 weeks of free game time for 2.0 release
OT: Brad , meh.....too many fails , the man and his vision....i loved Eq ,and kinda enjoyed Vanguard back then ,but im not going back to that type of mmorpg EVER . We arent teenagers anymore
I am honestly a bit perplexed , you have started threads about Panthoen and Brad before and the result has always been a rehashing of the same issues. People will come by and take potshots at Brad and I am beginning to wonder if this exercise is an attempt to help or damn him and bring up new ways of discussing his faults in colourful and allegorical ways. The result has not changed I notice.
Personally although I loved Everquest to death and loved Vanguard too I would not trust the man with any of my money sorry to say.
As for comparing this to the failure of FFXIV Tiber you failed to mention they did not collect any subscriptions and did not shutdown the game until they were ready to relaunch ARR. Then they allowed everyone who bought the earlier game to play ARR. I would say Square Enix did not cheat anyone as they have acted honorably having not collected any subs and allowing people who bought the earlier version to play the new one. Do not say untrue things to prop up your arguments.
Originally posted by sludgebeard Am I really the only person who is willing to step up and defend this man?Let me get one thing straight right off the bat. I don't think Brad is the greatest guy ever, I also don't believe every complaint about him is unwarranted. The man has most defiently made mistakes and payed a heavy price for himself and others due to those choices.However is this man really the monster people make him out to be? Is he worthy of the constant berating, blame, the 83 page sub forum on a site I won't name that is literally dedicated to destroying his current and future projects. Is he really THAT bad is my question, or is he simply the victim of an internet escapism, or people who are so spiteful that they will blame anything and anyone vehemently; to the end. Just so that they have a reason to hate.I for one think the man is just that, a man. And he's made lot of great things and a lot of bad. But he's just not worthy of the blame people place on him, not completely. There are far worse people in the industry than Brad Mcquaid, and real issues that could have dedicated time spent on them.
He stole 35% of the funding for his own personal needs and lost the respect of those who worked with him and they abandoned him cause of it. Now his game is running on random freelancers who aren't paid at all.
He may as well retire as a game developer at this point, cause the guy is a crook in my books. "*Edited & Fixed* His campaign only managed to raise $400,000 out of the asked $800k on Kickstarter, and soon after retreated to paypal and really after all that has happened and after failing nobody will have any faith in this man anymore.
This guy will never be trusted again with any game he is working on from this point on.
Making games is hard work, and although fun and rewarding, hardly any game developers get rich. Making alot of money is not why peoplemake games, and people who keep trying are definately in it because they love games and not because they love money.
Games fail, most games fail, and when it happens, game creators start looking for another opportunity to be involved with a game. They are mad but creativity is hard to stop, just ask any broke artist. Sometimes you get out of a failed game gracefully, and other times not as much.
I have read various claims about Brad here, which can't be confirmed nor denied. Some may be true from one point of view but seeing it from another angle may be different. Everyone screws up, no one is the perfect self they try to be behind the safety of the anonymous keybord typing. What I definately don't buy, is the notion that he is just trying to create games to screw you over and run away with all your money laughing wickedly at your stupidity.. It makes no sense.
As for the game designer Brad is, he is just plain genious. He has vision and has proven it by having lead roles in the game design of two of the best mmorpgs made. He knows what a roleplaying gamer feels when playing games, and he aims for that flow and immersion that most other mmorpgs seem to miss. To be able to find the middle ground of features and and immersion. For me, that is the most important property that a mmorpg game designer should have, and that is why I like Brad.
But Vanguard definitely was a great game underneath all the bugs and unfinished parts, and when Brad got back for a while at SOE, I felt they made the game a lot better and enjoyable in a quite short time. It was definitely the best time of all the time Vanguard run.
So I would definitely say he's gifted and talented and good at this.
I would however want to point out I saw a lot of things that could be improved about Vanguard as well. It wasnt the perfect game, far from it. It was just much better than any other MMO out there.
And now I can get back to moping Vanguard is gone and even Brads new project is so unlike Vanguard that I kind of lack the motivation to play it, because it looks like a step back from what Vanguard was in respect to class design. Pantheon has no Necromancers, the Dark Knights are back to being these silly evil dudes of EQ, Dark Elves exist but cant be Dark Knights, and so on and so forth.
Originally posted by Xer0id
[...] He managed to secure $400,000 on kickstarter [...]
Brad is the type of Dev who you would hire just so he can spout ideas for more practical people to then make into actual good products.
He is also the type of guy who embezzles 45 grand from his employees and supporters.
If I had him on my MMO team, i could see him making a valuable contribution ao long as he stays away from three things: the leadership roles, the corporate account password, and the oxies.
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
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Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Brad reminds me of that CEO guy from Robocop the movie that has great ideas and is done in by snorting coke off hooker cleavage and pissing the wrong people off.
Originally posted by Joejc7135 Brad reminds me of that CEO guy from Robocop the movie that has great ideas and is done in by snorting coke off hooker cleavage and pissing the wrong people off.
Pretty sure that's the only thing those two characters have in common.
Who is dumb enough to donate money to a coke addict anyway?
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Men do not stop playing because they grow old. They grow old because they stop playing. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes
Going to ignore how his coworkers admitted that he's a coke head and rarely showed up to work?
Clearly this man deserves your money.
"OMG VANGUARD BEST AAA GAME EVER"
That's why it's currently doing so well.
Well to be fair once the blame game start all manner of rumours start flying. So i would take that with a grain of salt until i see actually paperwork on it.
This have been a good conversation
My take on it is, when you lay it out like that "everything within the last decade has been a disaster" it does sound bad, but then when you think about what he's done in the last decade all you have to really look at is VG:SOH. His current game hasn't even got off the ground. Is that because of the stigma with VG and the fallout from it? OR is it something else? I'd go with VG being the reason personally. As well as the rumors out there about him, yet most of those are still tied to the VG fiasco. As that's when most of those rumors surfaced, or the cause oft them surfacing later.
I can't think of any other entertainment medium where such would really transpire in such a way. All because of one failed venture. Maybe he had a drug habit, I don't know, I do know that such a rumor can do a lot to ones reputation on the net, with the holier than thou crowd. But for the regular person that's not so bad in the grand scheme of things.
I just can't believe so many judge a person based on internet hearsay. To me that's like using tabloids as your source of evidence. A lot of it is going to be hyperbole at best, a game of telephone at worst.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I couldn't care less about the drugs, or if he's an asshole or whatever. I don't even care if his games just fail. It's how they fail and how much pain and suffering everyone that works with him seems to go through that makes me think he's not someone people should be giving money to. That being said, I don't care if people do. If he funds a game and it works out, I wont be there bashing it or trying to bring it down.
Only the internet is able to create people - that if kicked in the balls - cheer, applaud and ask for more.
Bravo guys. Keep it up, lol.
Winning a discussion is not what it's about. If you could pass insight to someone or learn something from it in return - noone can really loose, can they?
There's quite the evidence stacked against him. But really, if you have an unquestionable faith in him, then please donate your entire lifesavings to him.
Just don't say we didn't warn you.
His failed KS garnered over $400k of his $800k asking. That's still quite a lot of people who have "unquestionable faith in him". The funny part now is that he seems to be kicking himself and wishing that the KS goal was in the $400 k range. I lol'd when I read that... Duh, I bet he did.
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
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Kickstarter guarantees you a product. So far I have had tons of games that have been successful and delivered a great game. On Steam there is over 100 games that were made from kickstarter which they guarantee as well.
FFXIV 1.0 was up and running the whole time , they never shut down the servers , the removed the sub fee too, i was able to log in and play , SE even gave 1.0 players 3 weeks of free game time for 2.0 release
OT: Brad , meh.....too many fails , the man and his vision....i loved Eq ,and kinda enjoyed Vanguard back then ,but im not going back to that type of mmorpg EVER . We arent teenagers anymore
At first I was really surprised to see so many people defending Brad.
Then I realized I know most of these names: Most are players from Mortal Online, Darkfall UW and ESO
What do these 3 games have in common? They were released bug riddled and lured their players in with empty promises.
Apparently there are games that cater to an audience that considers it absolutely normal to be lied to.
I am honestly a bit perplexed , you have started threads about Panthoen and Brad before and the result has always been a rehashing of the same issues. People will come by and take potshots at Brad and I am beginning to wonder if this exercise is an attempt to help or damn him and bring up new ways of discussing his faults in colourful and allegorical ways. The result has not changed I notice.
Personally although I loved Everquest to death and loved Vanguard too I would not trust the man with any of my money sorry to say.
As for comparing this to the failure of FFXIV Tiber you failed to mention they did not collect any subscriptions and did not shutdown the game until they were ready to relaunch ARR. Then they allowed everyone who bought the earlier game to play ARR. I would say Square Enix did not cheat anyone as they have acted honorably having not collected any subs and allowing people who bought the earlier version to play the new one. Do not say untrue things to prop up your arguments.
He's a monster that destroys anything he touches.
He stole 35% of the funding for his own personal needs and lost the respect of those who worked with him and they abandoned him cause of it. Now his game is running on random freelancers who aren't paid at all.
He may as well retire as a game developer at this point, cause the guy is a crook in my books. "*Edited & Fixed* His campaign only managed to raise $400,000 out of the asked $800k on Kickstarter, and soon after retreated to paypal and really after all that has happened and after failing nobody will have any faith in this man anymore.
This guy will never be trusted again with any game he is working on from this point on.
: at least for me ill never donate to him ever xD
Making games is hard work, and although fun and rewarding, hardly any game developers get rich. Making alot of money is not why peoplemake games, and people who keep trying are definately in it because they love games and not because they love money.
Games fail, most games fail, and when it happens, game creators start looking for another opportunity to be involved with a game. They are mad but creativity is hard to stop, just ask any broke artist. Sometimes you get out of a failed game gracefully, and other times not as much.
I have read various claims about Brad here, which can't be confirmed nor denied. Some may be true from one point of view but seeing it from another angle may be different. Everyone screws up, no one is the perfect self they try to be behind the safety of the anonymous keybord typing. What I definately don't buy, is the notion that he is just trying to create games to screw you over and run away with all your money laughing wickedly at your stupidity.. It makes no sense.
As for the game designer Brad is, he is just plain genious. He has vision and has proven it by having lead roles in the game design of two of the best mmorpgs made. He knows what a roleplaying gamer feels when playing games, and he aims for that flow and immersion that most other mmorpgs seem to miss. To be able to find the middle ground of features and and immersion. For me, that is the most important property that a mmorpg game designer should have, and that is why I like Brad.
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Well.
I dunno if he is "brilliant".
But Vanguard definitely was a great game underneath all the bugs and unfinished parts, and when Brad got back for a while at SOE, I felt they made the game a lot better and enjoyable in a quite short time. It was definitely the best time of all the time Vanguard run.
So I would definitely say he's gifted and talented and good at this.
I would however want to point out I saw a lot of things that could be improved about Vanguard as well. It wasnt the perfect game, far from it. It was just much better than any other MMO out there.
And now I can get back to moping Vanguard is gone and even Brads new project is so unlike Vanguard that I kind of lack the motivation to play it, because it looks like a step back from what Vanguard was in respect to class design. Pantheon has no Necromancers, the Dark Knights are back to being these silly evil dudes of EQ, Dark Elves exist but cant be Dark Knights, and so on and so forth.
Dude, the kickstarter failed.
He didnt get a single cent out of it.
brad mcquad thats the guy who developed the disaster vanguard game from sigil, and stole 45k from his kickstarter fans.
Good thing i didnt donate or fall to the scam. i would hate to lose my money to scam.
i would sue to get my money back if i get scammed out of my pledge money.
Brad is the type of Dev who you would hire just so he can spout ideas for more practical people to then make into actual good products.
He is also the type of guy who embezzles 45 grand from his employees and supporters.
If I had him on my MMO team, i could see him making a valuable contribution ao long as he stays away from three things: the leadership roles, the corporate account password, and the oxies.
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Dwight D Eisenhower
My optimism wears heavy boots and is loud.
Henry Rollins
we know why he did it,the ship was sinking and he bailed with what he could.
Pretty sure that's the only thing those two characters have in common.
Who is dumb enough to donate money to a coke addict anyway?