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  • SamuraiXIVSamuraiXIV Member Posts: 354
    Originally posted by Myrdynn

    I will be playing AA at launch, I like open world ffa pvp just fine, if I get ganked so be it, I will have a large guild in my back pocket to help avenge me when necessary

    I also look forward to making one of my chars a Pirate.

    that being said, Trion would make more money and be able to support the game even better with a PVE server, or some type of alternate server rules

    the more people playing the better, even if not on my server

     

    Oh man I would so play if there was PvE server, like I said I really like all what the game offers but the open pvp and so did Aion back then most threads here were saying if this had PvE server so many more would have play. Look at aion now that's how AA will be soon.

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  • SamuraiXIVSamuraiXIV Member Posts: 354
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by nationalcity
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
    Originally posted by DMKano
    ArcheAge is a guild PvP game at heart. 

    So will you take me in your guild and help protect me when someone 20 levels higher then me kills me over and over and over?

    Highly doubtful that you would be 20 levels lower as my entire guild will be 50 in about 3-4 days post early access.

    Leveling up in AA is trivial, I've never even fought anyone in PvP who was not 50 already.

     

    I played CB2 for 3 days and I'm only level 8 so no 3-4 days 50 means you're not enjoying playing the game but you're on race to level cap and consider your game your job not game.

    Once you've leveled to 50 three times - you sort of know the game already - launch will be my 4th time leveling to 50. Some  guilds have done it more than 10 times already (playing since Korean beta).

     

    All the top guilds will be 50s within the first week.

    And quit within a month....

    I mean what is there to actually hold people to this game at endgame because from all the info we have this game is severely lacking for things to do once you reach max.......

     

     

     

    Which would be again completely wrong as we've been 50 for months already (Korea). Getting the best in slot armor and weapons takes a LONG time in ArcheAge.

    1.7 update is around the corner too, but sandboxy games hold me for years, themeparks 2 months tops.

     

    Not up to you how long you play a game if most kill others for no reason sooner or later you will be playing with yourself. I played FFXI for 10 years and been playing FFXIV for 3 years it don't matter if it's themepark or sandbox if it's fun and has people to play with

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  • BigdaddyxBigdaddyx Member UncommonPosts: 2,039
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by nationalcity
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
    Originally posted by DMKano
    ArcheAge is a guild PvP game at heart. 

    So will you take me in your guild and help protect me when someone 20 levels higher then me kills me over and over and over?

    Highly doubtful that you would be 20 levels lower as my entire guild will be 50 in about 3-4 days post early access.

    Leveling up in AA is trivial, I've never even fought anyone in PvP who was not 50 already.

     

    I played CB2 for 3 days and I'm only level 8 so no 3-4 days 50 means you're not enjoying playing the game but you're on race to level cap and consider your game your job not game.

    Once you've leveled to 50 three times - you sort of know the game already - launch will be my 4th time leveling to 50. Some  guilds have done it more than 10 times already (playing since Korean beta).

     

    All the top guilds will be 50s within the first week.

    And quit within a month....

    I mean what is there to actually hold people to this game at endgame because from all the info we have this game is severely lacking for things to do once you reach max.......

     

     

     

    Which would be again completely wrong as we've been 50 for months already (Korea). Getting the best in slot armor and weapons takes a LONG time in ArcheAge.

    1.7 update is around the corner too, but sandboxy games hold me for years, themeparks 2 months tops.

     

    You just said you still play Rift..and i am pretty sure its themepark.

    To me it seems you are just biased against anything (mostly) that is not from Trion.

     

  • bentrimbentrim Member UncommonPosts: 299
    The sole reason the game failed is PVP. You CANNOT produce an MMORPG with ANY type of open PVP and make it. Too small of following. STOP trying to appease everyone, and stick with what works....a true MMORPG with NO PVP (only duels) , and take care of 90% of your target, and let the other 10% bitch about not having PVP. Go back to your FPSers!
  • TakooTakoo Member CommonPosts: 149
    Originally posted by bentrim
    The sole reason the game failed is PVP. You CANNOT produce an MMORPG with ANY type of open PVP and make it. Too small of following. STOP trying to appease everyone, and stick with what works....a true MMORPG with NO PVP (only duels) , and take care of 90% of your target, and let the other 10% bitch about not having PVP. Go back to your FPSers!

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    Originally posted by bentrim
    The sole reason the game failed is PVP. You CANNOT produce an MMORPG with ANY type of open PVP and make it. Too small of following. STOP trying to appease everyone, and stick with what works....a true MMORPG with NO PVP (only duels) , and take care of 90% of your target, and let the other 10% bitch about not having PVP. Go back to your FPSers!

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  • YhumarYhumar Member UncommonPosts: 8
    Im gonna skip it too... What's the point of killing people if you cant even loot their gear... Fucking carebear game again.
  • Victor_KrugerVictor_Kruger Member UncommonPosts: 280
    Originally posted by bentrim
    The sole reason the game failed is PVP. You CANNOT produce an MMORPG with ANY type of open PVP and make it. Too small of following. STOP trying to appease everyone, and stick with what works....a true MMORPG with NO PVP (only duels) , and take care of 90% of your target, and let the other 10% bitch about not having PVP. Go back to your FPSers!

     

    The game is selling well, your thinking is ten years outdated. There are lots of pvp players now post WoW. 

     

     

  • Victor_KrugerVictor_Kruger Member UncommonPosts: 280
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
    Originally posted by Victor_Kruger
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
    Originally posted by DMKano
    ArcheAge is a guild PvP game at heart. 

    So will you take me in your guild and help protect me when someone 20 levels higher then me kills me over and over and over?

    You can level all the way to 50 and avoid pvp. Most areas have war and peace timers, you can level in the zones that are in a peaceful period  and you can't be attack be anybody. The ocean and the north continent are the only places where pvp is always active. Joining a Guild is good for protection when you want to go out and do over sea trade routes or go to the open pvp continent. 

    Active PvP or not your own faction members see you as purple name meaning can attack you at any time no matter the zone.

    The starting zones 1-30 you cant be attack by players, the contested zones 30-50 you can only be attack by players if you are in a zone that is in war mode. If you are in a peaceful zone which usually last for a 2 hour period you can't be attack by anyone including your own faction. If the peaceful period is about to run out in one zone you can move to different zone and level there as the war and peace timers are different for all the zones. 

    The oceans and the northern continent is fully open pvp where you have no safety, and you usually want to be with friends and guilds when going to those places. Archeage gives players a lot of breathing room from pvp, might not be good enough for some who completely hate pvp or hardcore enough for some pvpers, but for many people playing Archeage its good enough. 

  • oldbright15oldbright15 Member UncommonPosts: 4
    Originally posted by Victor_Kruger

    The game is selling well, your thinking is ten years outdated. There are lots of pvp players now post WoW. 

     

     

    This made me happy. and i only just woke up.

    Gaming in general has been in need of one major thing.....a Video Game Crash. just like the 83 to 85 crash.

    We need new concepts and new ideas. i like the idea that i can log into a game and not be forced to wait till the next week to carry on raiding content.

    Or Alas the Great Con!...pay a sub. get to raid 4 times a month for the latest content....and now we have Archeage.

     

    Its Sandboxy. its dangerious to go alone. and most importantly you have to relearn what has been lost in gaming....How to make friends and allies so you can stand a chance in battles with other players.

     

    Hehe....and if your me. apply nautical maritime tactics and training to your fellow guild mates who pain stakingly build a fleet of ships in order to blast a kraken and......then land up becoming pirates later in there careers.

     

    Alas. Community is changing again in games, and i like this feeling of change.

  • TineaTinea Member UncommonPosts: 86

    I think now you understand how us PvP'ers have felt for a very long time. AA might interest you PvE wise but PvP is a big mechanic in the game and won't change, the core game is based around PvP. Remove that and the game is meaningless to how the developers have made it.

     

    I'm more of a PvE player but I agree with this... how many times do you see posts complaining about PvP in a PvE game?  AA is a PvP game.  Don't turn the tables and think that it should be made into anything else if you don't want people complaining about other PvE games not having decent PvP.

    The only thing I will complain about is offline vs online labor points.  It's complete garbage and promotes going AFK in the game when you're not playing.  That's a weak mechanic.  I'm not arguing paying vs free to play players here... this mechanic affects both.  I'd consider playing and getting my butt kicked in pvp at launch because the game is interesting enough... but the LP system needs to change so people don't feel the need to stay logged in 24/7.   Other than that, I say leave it as-is.  AA is a PvP game.

  • kabitoshinkabitoshin Member UncommonPosts: 854
    Originally posted by DMKano

    ArcheAge is a guild PvP game at heart. 

    It also has some awesome non-pvp trolling I've ever seen like this:

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC5FpuxcI9M

    This be the reason I decided not to bother with this game, it's not the pvp part it's more so that I'm a night shift worker and usually can't find a solid group to play with.

  • BalianWolfieBalianWolfie Member UncommonPosts: 240
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV

    Nope I didn't even hit 30 to get killed yet I only hit level 8 and I so much loved the game that I went to the official forums for ArcheAge to ask questions and the answers were...

    Level eight... You didn't even experience the fundamental reason for opening pvp, which in Asian culture(MMORPG wise) it's totally just self-explanatory and a motive to play the game, if at all.

     

    First of all, at level ten you will have your own "class" out of 120 combinations; it's precisely the large pool of combinations set up the pvp foundation as it's for players to compete which "class" is the best. Beyond that, if you've ever played MiR, a very early developed game by Korean back in the 2000s, the PVP system in this game will definitely seem trivial; I mean, most of the European(including US, as considered Western) MMORPG veterans are complaining about not enough open world PVP and glorify UO for it's unique open world PVP and crime system, how is that a turn off for veterans?

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  • BalianWolfieBalianWolfie Member UncommonPosts: 240
    Originally posted by kabitoshin
    Originally posted by DMKano

    ArcheAge is a guild PvP game at heart. 

    It also has some awesome non-pvp trolling I've ever seen like this:

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC5FpuxcI9M

    This be the reason I decided not to bother with this game, it's not the pvp part it's more so that I'm a night shift worker and usually can't find a solid group to play with.

    Though both perspectives are correct, the end game style is more or less the improved version of L2: you have your MMO part as guilds fight over for land, castle, sea, and you have your RPG part for crafters and explore the world for new land to conquer.

     

    I mean, for a second, ain't we talking about MMORPGs in general? Why is there's so much fear toward MMO when you decided to play an online game?

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  • SoybeanSoybean Member UncommonPosts: 111
    Originally posted by LachyFTW
    There are very few games where you are free to kill anyone you want to just because however there are hundreds of PVE games where you are protected and that's fine. AA is a PVP game at it's very core and some of you want to change it, but it won't happen. Koreans love their PVP, AA is a korean game so the content is developed by them meaning PVP is here to stay. If you don't want to be ganked stick to your PVE safe havens and lets us play our handful of free for all PVP games.

    the Koreans have a different code of ethics than the US does. So lumping all pvpers is like comparing apples to oranges.

  • BetaBlockaBetaBlocka Member Posts: 222
    So pve in the safe zones then? Who cares if you die a few times? Seriously? I think a lot of us have become so dependent in single player mmorpgs that are faceroll easy and where dying more than twice from anything at all on your way to max level is now so abnormal...there is zero risk v reward in mmorpgs these days...especially the latest crop of single player mmos that people now freak out at the slightest hint of dying regularly or the slightest suggestion that they group up for protection and play socially its a real shame...

    Bring it on I say...Im sure I will get dicked over from time to time...probably at really inconvenient times too...but who cares...ill just laugh about it and get back on the saddle so to speak.
  • SamuraiXIVSamuraiXIV Member Posts: 354
    Originally posted by BetaBlocka
    So pve in the safe zones then? Who cares if you die a few times? Seriously? I think a lot of us have become so dependent in single player mmorpgs that are faceroll easy and where dying more than twice from anything at all on your way to max level is now so abnormal...there is zero risk v reward in mmorpgs these days...especially the latest crop of single player mmos that people now freak out at the slightest hint of dying regularly or the slightest suggestion that they group up for protection and play socially its a real shame...

    Bring it on I say...Im sure I will get dicked over from time to time...probably at really inconvenient times too...but who cares...ill just laugh about it and get back on the saddle so to speak.

    I did made it clear I don't mind to die here and there from other players but sounds like most pvp enthusiasts are looking to make unfair pvp(level wise and gear wise) their full time job. 

    I play to have fun not to be camped by sucky players that try to piss others that are 20 levels lower and lesser gear.

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  • RIG4REDRIG4RED Member UncommonPosts: 58
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV

    As title say I decided no to play ArcheAge after trying the game and gathering more info and here is why:

    I love the gameplay during the CB2 and I find it very nice, despite my hate against free2play scam methods used in the game that is not the reason I decided not to play. 

    Main reason I won't play is that after level 30 the game is not a game anymore but it's an anarchy where anyone and everyone can kill you for no reason without any rules just cause they feel like it. 

    Any game that has player versus player even not mmorpg or video game at all still has rules for example chess, ping pong, tabletop role playing games, fighting games, all have rules but ArcheAge has not at level 30+ even your own faction will kill you for no reason at all, and the community even during CB2 takes pride and says that yes killing for no reason it's the best aspect of the game.

    I'm PvE mainly but even when I PvP I expect rules and regulations not lets become cavemen again.

    Translation:

    "Hi! I play on a WoW PVE server and want every other game to have the exact same rule set for us giant carebears! I can't defend myself in an open world, FFA pvp environment and yet blindly wonder the world expecting the dev's to hold my hand. I require AA devs to immediately change the game for me me me me me me me." - SamuraiXIV

  • SamuraiXIVSamuraiXIV Member Posts: 354
    Originally posted by ZutroyTheTroll
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV

    As title say I decided no to play ArcheAge after trying the game and gathering more info and here is why:

    I love the gameplay during the CB2 and I find it very nice, despite my hate against free2play scam methods used in the game that is not the reason I decided not to play. 

    Main reason I won't play is that after level 30 the game is not a game anymore but it's an anarchy where anyone and everyone can kill you for no reason without any rules just cause they feel like it. 

    Any game that has player versus player even not mmorpg or video game at all still has rules for example chess, ping pong, tabletop role playing games, fighting games, all have rules but ArcheAge has not at level 30+ even your own faction will kill you for no reason at all, and the community even during CB2 takes pride and says that yes killing for no reason it's the best aspect of the game.

    I'm PvE mainly but even when I PvP I expect rules and regulations not lets become cavemen again.

    Translation:

    "Hi! I play on a WoW PVE server and want every other game to have the exact same rule set for us giant carebears! I can't defend myself in an open world, FFA pvp environment and yet blindly wonder the world expecting the dev's to hold my hand. I require AA devs to immediately change the game for me me me me me me me." - SamuraiXIV

    I didn't ask for someone's translation specially a bad one. I don't play wow I played FFXI 10 years and I'm playing ffxiv for 3 years now also I pvp in call of duty and I usually have double the kills vs deaths and that game depends on skill not on level and gear, I have skilled friends that can murder a whole team of heavy equiped machine guns and him just a hand gun so that is skill not sissy mmorpg unfair pvp.

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  • TakooTakoo Member CommonPosts: 149
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
    Originally posted by ZutroyTheTroll
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV

    As title say I decided no to play ArcheAge after trying the game and gathering more info and here is why:

    I love the gameplay during the CB2 and I find it very nice, despite my hate against free2play scam methods used in the game that is not the reason I decided not to play. 

    Main reason I won't play is that after level 30 the game is not a game anymore but it's an anarchy where anyone and everyone can kill you for no reason without any rules just cause they feel like it. 

    Any game that has player versus player even not mmorpg or video game at all still has rules for example chess, ping pong, tabletop role playing games, fighting games, all have rules but ArcheAge has not at level 30+ even your own faction will kill you for no reason at all, and the community even during CB2 takes pride and says that yes killing for no reason it's the best aspect of the game.

    I'm PvE mainly but even when I PvP I expect rules and regulations not lets become cavemen again.

    Translation:

    "Hi! I play on a WoW PVE server and want every other game to have the exact same rule set for us giant carebears! I can't defend myself in an open world, FFA pvp environment and yet blindly wonder the world expecting the dev's to hold my hand. I require AA devs to immediately change the game for me me me me me me me." - SamuraiXIV

    I didn't ask for someone's translation specially a bad one. I don't play wow I played FFXI 10 years and I'm playing ffxiv for 3 years now also I pvp in call of duty and I usually have double the kills vs deaths and that game depends on skill not on level and gear, I have skilled friends that can murder a whole team of heavy equiped machine guns and him just a hand gun so that is skill not sissy mmorpg unfair pvp.

    I don't know what it is but all Final Fantasy players hate PvP.. I remember how much the community bitched about them just adding an arena to ARR. Saying it doesn't belong in a FF game..

  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV
    Originally posted by ZutroyTheTroll
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV

    As title say I decided no to play ArcheAge after trying the game and gathering more info and here is why:

    I love the gameplay during the CB2 and I find it very nice, despite my hate against free2play scam methods used in the game that is not the reason I decided not to play. 

    Main reason I won't play is that after level 30 the game is not a game anymore but it's an anarchy where anyone and everyone can kill you for no reason without any rules just cause they feel like it. 

    Any game that has player versus player even not mmorpg or video game at all still has rules for example chess, ping pong, tabletop role playing games, fighting games, all have rules but ArcheAge has not at level 30+ even your own faction will kill you for no reason at all, and the community even during CB2 takes pride and says that yes killing for no reason it's the best aspect of the game.

    I'm PvE mainly but even when I PvP I expect rules and regulations not lets become cavemen again.

    Translation:

    "Hi! I play on a WoW PVE server and want every other game to have the exact same rule set for us giant carebears! I can't defend myself in an open world, FFA pvp environment and yet blindly wonder the world expecting the dev's to hold my hand. I require AA devs to immediately change the game for me me me me me me me." - SamuraiXIV

    I didn't ask for someone's translation specially a bad one. I don't play wow I played FFXI 10 years and I'm playing ffxiv for 3 years now also I pvp in call of duty and I usually have double the kills vs deaths and that game depends on skill not on level and gear, I have skilled friends that can murder a whole team of heavy equiped machine guns and him just a hand gun so that is skill not sissy mmorpg unfair pvp.

     

    FWIW, I'm with you Samurai.  I won't be playing AA either.  I don't mind consensual PvP in my FPS games, but I am totally against non-consensual OWPvP in my MMORPGs.  I was still going to give it the benefit of the doubt until I learned that even your own faction can gank you.  I mean, what kind of game design is that?  If that's the case, why even have factions?  Its just beyond silly. 

    I find no fun PvPing with people who have no interest in PvPing with me in return.  I also don't derive any pleasure by ganking people.  To each their own, its just not my idea of fun.  All I need do is go to AAs official forum and read the responses of some of those PvP-centric players to realize it is not a community I want to be a part of. 

  • SamuraiXIVSamuraiXIV Member Posts: 354

    Update: I might consider playing after all if I actually find a good guild that will back up their members when in trouble.

    So is there anyone that knows or have a good guild to call home and make AA enjoyable even after level 30.

    My thing is I will join if the guild don't mind me being mostly PvE, slow leveling, casual overall but loyal and game for anything when needed.

    I prefer a small guild 20-40 members but active and play AA as main mmo, like I said I do play FFXIV but mostly do dailies and weeklies by now as I have all clears so if I do find a guild for AA I will be playing it as main mmorpg.

    I'm 37 open to humor and jokes so I don't get offended easily, I hope to find a guild with individuals like me :)

     

    edit: I live in Eastern USA so playtime is usually 6pm-midnight EST timezone.

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  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV

    Update: I might consider playing after all if I actually find a good guild that will back up their members when in trouble.

    So is there anyone that knows or have a good guild to call home and make AA enjoyable even after level 30.

    My thing is I will join if the guild don't mind me being mostly PvE, slow leveling, casual overall but loyal and game for anything when needed.

    I prefer a small guild 20-40 members but active and play AA as main mmo, like I said I do play FFXIV but mostly do dailies and weeklies by now as I have all clears so if I do find a guild for AA I will be playing it as main mmorpg.

    I'm 37 open to humor and jokes so I don't get offended easily, I hope to find a guild with individuals like me :)

     

    Have you tried posting this in the AA official forum?  Might stand a better chance of finding what you need by also posting there.

  • Victor_KrugerVictor_Kruger Member UncommonPosts: 280
    Originally posted by SamuraiXIV

    Update: I might consider playing after all if I actually find a good guild that will back up their members when in trouble.

    So is there anyone that knows or have a good guild to call home and make AA enjoyable even after level 30.

    My thing is I will join if the guild don't mind me being mostly PvE, slow leveling, casual overall but loyal and game for anything when needed.

    I prefer a small guild 20-40 members but active and play AA as main mmo, like I said I do play FFXIV but mostly do dailies and weeklies by now as I have all clears so if I do find a guild for AA I will be playing it as main mmorpg.

    I'm 37 open to humor and jokes so I don't get offended easily, I hope to find a guild with individuals like me :)

    I would go here..    http://www.archeagegame.com/en/ and see who is recruiting. 

    There are guilds in AA that are more pve foucued.

     

     

     

  • SamuraiXIVSamuraiXIV Member Posts: 354
    Thank you will go check there.

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