Originally posted by Channce Not sure how to respond to OP. The game is called Elder Scrolls, I like the game, I sub to the game, does it feel like a game? ya, a good one.
The series of this game Elder Scrolls was created in rpg form many years ago. We are comparing the online version to the offline versions of the game. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls
Which is EXACTLY what they have done and continue on adding more. /shrug
You said yourself you only tried early beta. They have made vast changes since then. All based on player feedback.
Launch was a bit of a mess and I left within 2-3 weeks because of it.
Now I am back since last week and having a blast. For me it very much feels as Elder Scrolls to me.
The only difference is that you choose one out of 4 starter classes that has it's own 3 skill lines, but other than that it's pretty much an open ended skill system that allows for Incredible customization. There are dozens of universal skill lines you can dive into to completely customize your character and play style.
With my Templar character I can go any way I want, from sword and Board tank, to pure dual wield melee DPS or any other weapon, or don't use any weapon and go pure Magicka route and torch my enemies With Magic skills or go pure healer route. Whatever I want. Can wear any armor type I want.
You can be a werewolf or a vampire. Join the fighter's guild, Mages guild, etc... unlock unique skill lines in them... etc.
It has the exact same Exploration and Lore features as Skyrim. Almost carbon copy combat system. With my Templar it feels very much Skyrim to me and feels extremely familiar. The Whole UI strengthen this feel.
If all that is not Elder Scrolls........ I don't know what to say really.
Exactly? No way. Not even close. You must be deluding yourself. In your post on this thread you keep giving this link: http://esohead.com/calculator/skills This is case and point a good example of what is wrong with how they designed the game NOT like ES right from the start. I knew at character creation there was a big problem. Where in the lore of ES does it list any of these ultimate active and passive abilities? I have never heard of any of these abilities before. All the names are foreign. So how is this exactly the way it was in ES? It is completely and utterly foreign to the series. Plus all the skills are tied to a particular kind of armor or specific weapon type so basically it is a class system where ES was not. They have changed the fundamental dynamics of the game for the worse.
LMAO man! You clearly have never played any Elder Scrolls game.
Go play Skyrim and then come back and tell me the skill lines in Skyrim are not tied to Armor, Weapon and Magic type. And so in essence forced you to make decisions in specializing in a sertain class/playstyle. /FACEPALM
The only difference in ESO is that Magic actives are not learned via scrolls found or bought ingame, but unlocked in skill trees.
Like you unlock an entire Magic skill tree by joining the Mages Guild that require you to explore the world and find Magic Lore (or trade these with other players) to advance in the guild and unlock the skills. Which is actually a nicer touch.
Or join the fighters guild or other guild to unlock a specific skill tree and do missions for them to advance and unlock said skills.
Or Vampire and Werewolf having their own skill lines, including transformation!
All skill lines that are available to EVERYONE, no matter what race and starter class you've chosen.
Seriously.... so they use some new names in skills, introduced new stories.... because Guess what, they have friggin' done that in every single ES game, with each their own setting and timeline. Come on now.
You are just nit picking now, just for the sake of trolling and desperation. It's getting a bit silly and immature now.
TESO is set in a past not experienced in the solo games, the names of people, the themes, are going to be different. To complain about that would be like saying Xmen: First Class is not the same as the earlier films, it has different names and themes.
Originally posted by Scot TESO is set in a past not experienced in the solo games, the names of people, the themes, are going to be different. To complain about that would be like saying Xmen: First Class is not the same as the earlier films, it has different names and themes. :)
That is not the "gripe" here. The way the game is set up and plays is very dislike previous Elder Scrolls (ES) games.
When I put on heavy armor in ANY previous ES game, I did not "magically obtain" special skills/abilities as I got better with its use. When I switched from a 1-handed dagger to a 2-handed axe, I did not gain or lose any "magically appearing" skills/abilities. I had racial abilities that were the exact same from the moment I chose that race for my character. My Khajiit "Night-Eye" never improved, my Dunmer "Summon Ancestor" never got better. I did not add to those skills/abilities as my Nord grew. He had frost resistance and other abilities, depending on which game you speak of. Classes were suggested by the game, but also defined by the player. But being a Scout in previous games did not set me on a path to gain "Scout ONLY" skills/abilities.
TES:O is closer to being like Skyrim, in that Skyrim is 75-90% "kill stuff and grow your character." In ES I-IV, there was so much more to the games than just that. With Skyrim, a pillar of RPGs was dropped: Attributes. Attributes factored into every skill and ability the player had. So if a player bases their opinion of it playing only Skyrim, they may differ on opinions. If they look at the whole series, even with the differences between the games (I-IV), the soul is just not there.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
It's up to you weaklings not to call it an ES game, then try to make it so.
I played every ES game from Daggerfall to Skyrim and the Elder Scrolls feeling was not present in ESO IMHO.
That's not a bad thing.
If an MMORPG feels like a singleplayer game, something went terribly wrong.
This is the problem though.....it DOES feel like a singleplayer game but it is nowhere near as immersive as Skyrim was. They took out everything that made Skyrim great, put in everything people complain about in today's MMO's and came up with this piece of crap. It DID go terribly wrong.
Originally posted by Scot TESO is set in a past not experienced in the solo games, the names of people, the themes, are going to be different. To complain about that would be like saying Xmen: First Class is not the same as the earlier films, it has different names and themes.
That is not the "gripe" here. The way the game is set up and plays is very dislike previous Elder Scrolls (ES) games.
When I put on heavy armor in ANY previous ES game, I did not "magically obtain" special skills/abilities as I got better with its use. When I switched from a 1-handed dagger to a 2-handed axe, I did not gain or lose any "magically appearing" skills/abilities. I had racial abilities that were the exact same from the moment I chose that race for my character. My Khajiit "Night-Eye" never improved, my Dunmer "Summon Ancestor" never got better. I did not add to those skills/abilities as my Nord grew. He had frost resistance and other abilities, depending on which game you speak of. Classes were suggested by the game, but also defined by the player. But being a Scout in previous games did not set me on a path to gain "Scout ONLY" skills/abilities.
TES:O is closer to being like Skyrim, in that Skyrim is 75-90% "kill stuff and grow your character." In ES I-IV, there was so much more to the games than just that. With Skyrim, a pillar of RPGs was dropped: Attributes. Attributes factored into every skill and ability the player had. So if a player bases their opinion of it playing only Skyrim, they may differ on opinions. If they look at the whole series, even with the differences between the games (I-IV), the soul is just not there.
So now we are done with ESO, we are going to debate Skyrim not being an Elder Scrolls game?
/SIGH
Well good Luck and debate all you want. If you don't mind.... I go back and enjoy BOTH Skyrim and ESO.
Originally posted by Scot TESO is set in a past not experienced in the solo games, the names of people, the themes, are going to be different. To complain about that would be like saying Xmen: First Class is not the same as the earlier films, it has different names and themes.
That is not the "gripe" here. The way the game is set up and plays is very dislike previous Elder Scrolls (ES) games.
When I put on heavy armor in ANY previous ES game, I did not "magically obtain" special skills/abilities as I got better with its use. When I switched from a 1-handed dagger to a 2-handed axe, I did not gain or lose any "magically appearing" skills/abilities. I had racial abilities that were the exact same from the moment I chose that race for my character. My Khajiit "Night-Eye" never improved, my Dunmer "Summon Ancestor" never got better. I did not add to those skills/abilities as my Nord grew. He had frost resistance and other abilities, depending on which game you speak of. Classes were suggested by the game, but also defined by the player. But being a Scout in previous games did not set me on a path to gain "Scout ONLY" skills/abilities.
TES:O is closer to being like Skyrim, in that Skyrim is 75-90% "kill stuff and grow your character." In ES I-IV, there was so much more to the games than just that. With Skyrim, a pillar of RPGs was dropped: Attributes. Attributes factored into every skill and ability the player had. So if a player bases their opinion of it playing only Skyrim, they may differ on opinions. If they look at the whole series, even with the differences between the games (I-IV), the soul is just not there.
This exactly my point and I could not have said it better. Thank You for stating it clearer than I have. I actually hated the fact Skyrim had skill trees. That really sucked and broken the spirit of the series. But since it was just one screw up one could look past it and play the game. ESO has so many deviations one cannot look past them all and play.
When you two are done with Skyrim, you can then start working your way back and start bashing Oblivion.
And as you guys clearly have no clue what you talk about anyway, nor clearly never played any of the older ES games, I just post this link with info from Oblivion and how those mechanics worked:
When you two are done with Skyrim, you can then start working your way back and start bashing Oblivion.
And as you guys clearly have no clue what you talk about anyway, nor clearly never played any of the older ES games, I just post this link with info from Oblivion and how those mechanics worked:
Just let me know when you are done with that.... then we can move on to Morrowind next.
It has been a long time since I played any of these games so things will be a little fussy but in Oblivion and Morrowind your skill with a weapon or armor was just tied to how much you used it or trained it with a trainer, nothing else. In Skyrim one had to pick points in say 2handed to get those perks. Without getting the perks in say 2handed the 2handed skill was useless. I liked the Oblivion, Morrowind way much better. There is much more freedom there and it feels much for ES. You could become a master of all weapons and armor if you wished and not be gimped by the perks like in Skyrim. Don't get me wrong. I love Bethesda division or I would not even bother making all these posts. Bethesda in general is the best think to happen in gaming.
When you two are done with Skyrim, you can then start working your way back and start bashing Oblivion.
And as you guys clearly have no clue what you talk about anyway, nor clearly never played any of the older ES games, I just post this link with info from Oblivion and how those mechanics worked:
Just let me know when you are done with that.... then we can move on to Morrowind next.
It has been a long time since I played any of these games so things will be a little fussy but in Oblivion and Morrowind your skill with a weapon or armor was just tied to how much you used it or trained it with a trainer, nothing else. In Skyrim one had to pick points in say 2handed to get those perks. Without getting the perks in say 2handed the 2handed skill was useless. I liked the Oblivion, Morrowind way much better. There is much more freedom there and it feels much for ES. You could become a master of all weapons and armor if you wished and not be gimped by the perks like in Skyrim. Don't get me wrong. I love Bethesda division or I would not even bother making all these posts. Bethesda in general is the best think to happen in gaming.
You're kidding now right?
Have you even played ESO? Do you know you just described the ESO system plus the part about becoming a master of all weapons and armor?
When you two are done with Skyrim, you can then start working your way back and start bashing Oblivion.
And as you guys clearly have no clue what you talk about anyway, nor clearly never played any of the older ES games, I just post this link with info from Oblivion and how those mechanics worked:
Just let me know when you are done with that.... then we can move on to Morrowind next.
It has been a long time since I played any of these games so things will be a little fussy but in Oblivion and Morrowind your skill with a weapon or armor was just tied to how much you used it or trained it with a trainer, nothing else. In Skyrim one had to pick points in say 2handed to get those perks. Without getting the perks in say 2handed the 2handed skill was useless. I liked the Oblivion, Morrowind way much better. There is much more freedom there and it feels much for ES. You could become a master of all weapons and armor if you wished and not be gimped by the perks like in Skyrim. Don't get me wrong. I love Bethesda division or I would not even bother making all these posts. Bethesda in general is the best think to happen in gaming.
For you and a few others in this thread, there are certain ES things that any ES MMO must have in order for it to meet your threshold criteria to be worth your time and that is why you don't play it and most of you have never played it since release.
You came here supposedly to ask a question (you didn't really, you came with your soapbox,) which has been answered: no, this is not your type of ES game and it will never be. Still you and the other amateur developer wannabes of the True ES Faith want to keep trying to win this silly argument: Is it ES or isn't it? And you will also never win that argument. because those who do play it and enjoy it feel it's ES enough to meet their criteria.
So what it boils down to is that you and a couple of others believe you have superior knowledge and/or taste so you don't play this nor most other MMOs apparently... we get it... you're not part of the great unwashed.
But don't you think it's about time you and your fellow self-professed refined MMO connoisseurs stop trolling the forum of a game that disgusts you and go play one you actually enjoy? If you're capable of admitting enjoyment of any MMO, that is....
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So what it boils down to is that you and a couple of others believe you have superior knowledge and/or taste so you don't play this nor most other MMOs apparently... we get it... you're not part of the great unwashed.
But don't you think it's about time you and your fellow self-professed refined MMO connoisseurs stop trolling the forum of a game that disgusts you and go play one you actually enjoy? If you're capable of admitting enjoyment of any MMO, that is....
Actually it is not a couple or a few it is the majority of people that feel the way I do. Get on YouTube and type in Elder Scrolls Online review. Most of them are quite negative and voice the same concerns I do. Most people just do not care enough to voice their views online (lurkers) They just walk away sad with a tear in their eye. I guess I will do the same for the online version. There is always Fallout and other Bethesda games to look forward to.
Originally posted by Iselin But don't you think it's about time you and your fellow self-professed refined MMO connoisseurs stop trolling the forum of a game that disgusts you and go play one you actually enjoy? If you're capable of admitting enjoyment of any MMO, that is....
Point taken. Sorry for my input. I'll let the "Praise be!" folks chat amongst themselves again.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
So what it boils down to is that you and a couple of others believe you have superior knowledge and/or taste so you don't play this nor most other MMOs apparently... we get it... you're not part of the great unwashed.
But don't you think it's about time you and your fellow self-professed refined MMO connoisseurs stop trolling the forum of a game that disgusts you and go play one you actually enjoy? If you're capable of admitting enjoyment of any MMO, that is....
Actually it is not a couple or a few it is the majority of people that feel the way I do. Get on YouTube and type in Elder Scrolls Online review. Most of them are quite negative and voice the same concerns I do. Most people just do not care enough to voice their views online (lurkers) They just walk away sad with a tear in their eye. I guess I will do the same for the online version. There is always Fallout and other Bethesda games to look forward to.
Vast majority? So you can't come up with any arguments anymore, as they all have been debunked.
So now you try to use some stupid youtube videos by some wannabe's, the most of them are from early beta and have nothing to do with how the game is today.
If you actually bothered to filter those videos and find the ones that are actually from AFTER launch, then you would see the most aren't that negative at all.
But it has ben said many times now. You lot clearly have an agenda against Zenimax with some deep hatred, still giving you sleepless Nights and just continue on ignoring everything that has been said.
Good Luck finding a game you can enjoy, as I hardly doubt you ever find one.
Vast majority? So you can't come up with any arguments anymore, as they all have been debunked.
So now you try to use some stupid youtube videos by some wannabe's, the most of them are from early beta and have nothing to do with how the game is today.
If you actually bothered to filter those videos and find the ones that are actually from AFTER launch, then you would see the most aren't that negative at all.
But it has ben said many times now. You lot clearly have an agenda against Zenimax with some deep hatred, still giving you sleepless Nights and just continue on ignoring everything that has been said.
Good Luck finding a game you can enjoy, as I hardly doubt you ever find one.
Actually, I have filtered them out by date. I have watched the most recent ones. As far you accusing me of having an agenda against Zenimax well that is just pure trolling and incorrect. It is my love for Bethesda that makes me write this stuff. I will try the game in another 6 months and see if they have ironed out any of the issues.
The game is okay for me and I'm sticking with it for now to see what is in store down the road. I have no burning desire to play anything else at the moment although ArcheAge intrigues me from the sandbox stuff. At times ESO feels a bit dull as I'm endlessly questing away. Things start blending together so I have to play in little stretches at a time. Does it feel like an Elder Scrolls game to me? Somewhat. I'm familiar with the lore, the universe, etc. I've played everyone of their stand alone games over the years. Does it feel as immersive as the stand alone TES games? Not really. I loved the freedom I had in the stand past games. Some of my characters would be dark thieving characters who would quietly assassinate people in the night (evil chuckle). Others would be goody two shoes avoiding any nefarious activities. Loved the world, the environment and many times I felt like I was on a grand adventure.
ESO doesn't give me that grand sense of adventure. I do like it but something is missing for me. Not sure I will be remembering any particular quest two years from now when I find another MMO to play. I haven't finished the main story quest so perhaps that will blow me away ...hard to say. I do have vivid memories of some of the past TES games though and some of my adventures.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not flaming the game. It just feels a bit blah to me---both as an MMO and an Elder Scrolls game.
For you and a few others in this thread, there are certain ES things that any ES MMO must have in order for it to meet your threshold criteria to be worth your time and that is why you don't play it and most of you have never played it since release.
You came here supposedly to ask a question (you didn't really, you came with your soapbox,) which has been answered: no, this is not your type of ES game and it will never be. Still you and the other amateur developer wannabes of the True ES Faith want to keep trying to win this silly argument: Is it ES or isn't it? And you will also never win that argument. because those who do play it and enjoy it feel it's ES enough to meet their criteria.
So what it boils down to is that you and a couple of others believe you have superior knowledge and/or taste so you don't play this nor most other MMOs apparently... we get it... you're not part of the great unwashed.
But don't you think it's about time you and your fellow self-professed refined MMO connoisseurs stop trolling the forum of a game that disgusts you and go play one you actually enjoy? If you're capable of admitting enjoyment of any MMO, that is....
Agree. This OP was never meant for anything but to find a way to bash the game. It might have been titled "Does this game not suck now?"
Only you can answer that for yourself. This back and forth arguing is offering zero constructive or worthwhile conversation. It is clogging up the entire forum overview and only acts as a soapbox. Please, can we just lock this thread and lock any future posts like it for any game? (It's also using up unnecessary resources on your web host's end and could be contributing to the sluggish overall performance many are reporting when trying to visit this site).
Being able to pick up more stuff that you see lying around helps a lot. The big question is if you understand that MMOs aren't single player games and can't be designed as such. If you're thinking a game with levels can have the whole world open to all players of differing levels at the same time then the problem is you.
Originally posted by sketocafe Being able to pick up more stuff that you see lying around helps a lot. The big question is if you understand that MMOs aren't single player games and can't be designed as such. If you're thinking a game with levels can have the whole world open to all players of differing levels at the same time then the problem is you.
The only game that could was Ultima Online. I have never seen nor experienced any game that could do that and provide the MMO experience. Let's be frank here, if anyone expected this game to offer something akin to that, you are out of your mind.
Feelings are personal. They are never the same for two people. Yet you are asking for just that. So, please either pick up the game, try a friend's copy out or do whatever, but you are going to be the only one to decide that for yourself. And really? How many days have you spent on this topic? Man you could have bought this game tenfold over with the amount of time wasted already.
Haha!! Are you kidding? You are basing "the majority" off of YouTube videos!?!? Sure maybe the majority of negative videos you were looking for feel the same way you do...but nobody listens to that crowd all they do is hate on and cry over every new game!
Yeah the only ones with years in their eyes are those who cry about video games and feel the need to talk out their a$$ with comments like "the majority feel like I do I watch YouTube!!"
Its truly amazing on this site, you think you have seen everything and then another comes out with another amazing head scratcher!
Keep it up little buddy!
The majority just means more than half by definition. The way I came to this conclusion was not just YouTube videos but podcasts, forum posts all over the web other websites etc etc. When I look at a YouTube video I want to make sure it is creditable so I look at who made it and look at the ratio of how many liked it verse how many did not like it. If it does not have at least 75% liked I do not watch it at all. If 75% like it then more than the majority of people who voted liked it so it is a good indicator of how most people feel about it. Most of the videos I watched were versed in the Elder Scrolls Series and they had played ESO quite a bit. The fact that you think nobody listens to YouTube videos is mind blowing.
I didn't say people don't listen to YouTube...I said getting your "majority" by basing it off negative videos is hilarious. Well you keep plugging your agenda I'm sure you have nothing better to do with your time then hate on a video game you don't play.
My only agenda was getting an answer to my original question. Does this game feel like an Elder Scrolls Game now? The opinions vary greatly and the answer is dependent solely on the person. So the answer will be different for each person. I thought when I made this post that there would be a cut and dry answer but this turned out to be a false assumption. However, I got the answer that is right for me. This game will probably never feel like a ES game for me personally. This will not stop me from trying it again to see if I want to play it regardless of its lack of ES spirit. I have always had faith in Bethesda so I am sure it will just get better with time.
I didn't say people don't listen to YouTube...I said getting your "majority" by basing it off negative videos is hilarious. Well you keep plugging your agenda I'm sure you have nothing better to do with your time then hate on a video game you don't play.
My only agenda was getting an answer to my original question. Does this game feel like an Elder Scrolls Game now? The opinions vary greatly and the answer is dependent solely on the person. So the answer will be different for each person. I thought when I made this post that there would be a cut and dry answer but this turned out to be a false assumption. However, I got the answer that is right for me. This game will probably never feel like a ES game for me personally. This will not stop me from trying it again to see if I want to play it regardless of its lack of ES spirit. I have always had faith in Bethesda so I am sure it will just get better with time.
Idk you seem to have pretty strong feelings and have made up your mind. In the OP you said "My main issue is does it feel like an Elder Scrolls Game?" Here you say "This game will probably never feel like a ES game for me personally". This just doesn't seem like the game for you.
Idk you seem to have pretty strong feelings and have made up your mind. In the OP you said "My main issue is does it feel like an Elder Scrolls Game?" Here you say "This game will probably never feel like a ES game for me personally". This just doesn't seem like the game for you.
Now, why do you want to play?
It does not need to be an ES game for me to enjoy playing it. So it is not an ES game that sucks but that does not ruin the game as an mmo.
Idk you seem to have pretty strong feelings and have made up your mind. In the OP you said "My main issue is does it feel like an Elder Scrolls Game?" Here you say "This game will probably never feel like a ES game for me personally". This just doesn't seem like the game for you.
Now, why do you want to play?
It does not need to be an ES game for me to enjoy playing it. So it is not an ES game that sucks but that does not ruin the game as an mmo.
Isn't it funny how we all rationalize things in our own way.
I usually don't play theme parks, but because this is an Elder Scrolls game, I gave it a look. I'm glad I did. I found the best pvp and combat the genre has to offer, even though it's not FFA. To top it all off, it's the fricken Elder Scrolls mmorpg. I'm playing a Redguard Night Blade who hates Elves and Nords. How cool is that?
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The series of this game Elder Scrolls was created in rpg form many years ago. We are comparing the online version to the offline versions of the game. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls
LMAO man! You clearly have never played any Elder Scrolls game.
Go play Skyrim and then come back and tell me the skill lines in Skyrim are not tied to Armor, Weapon and Magic type. And so in essence forced you to make decisions in specializing in a sertain class/playstyle. /FACEPALM
The only difference in ESO is that Magic actives are not learned via scrolls found or bought ingame, but unlocked in skill trees.
Like you unlock an entire Magic skill tree by joining the Mages Guild that require you to explore the world and find Magic Lore (or trade these with other players) to advance in the guild and unlock the skills. Which is actually a nicer touch.
Or join the fighters guild or other guild to unlock a specific skill tree and do missions for them to advance and unlock said skills.
Or Vampire and Werewolf having their own skill lines, including transformation!
All skill lines that are available to EVERYONE, no matter what race and starter class you've chosen.
Seriously.... so they use some new names in skills, introduced new stories.... because Guess what, they have friggin' done that in every single ES game, with each their own setting and timeline. Come on now.
You are just nit picking now, just for the sake of trolling and desperation. It's getting a bit silly and immature now.
When I put on heavy armor in ANY previous ES game, I did not "magically obtain" special skills/abilities as I got better with its use. When I switched from a 1-handed dagger to a 2-handed axe, I did not gain or lose any "magically appearing" skills/abilities. I had racial abilities that were the exact same from the moment I chose that race for my character. My Khajiit "Night-Eye" never improved, my Dunmer "Summon Ancestor" never got better. I did not add to those skills/abilities as my Nord grew. He had frost resistance and other abilities, depending on which game you speak of. Classes were suggested by the game, but also defined by the player. But being a Scout in previous games did not set me on a path to gain "Scout ONLY" skills/abilities.
TES:O is closer to being like Skyrim, in that Skyrim is 75-90% "kill stuff and grow your character." In ES I-IV, there was so much more to the games than just that. With Skyrim, a pillar of RPGs was dropped: Attributes. Attributes factored into every skill and ability the player had. So if a player bases their opinion of it playing only Skyrim, they may differ on opinions. If they look at the whole series, even with the differences between the games (I-IV), the soul is just not there.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
This is the problem though.....it DOES feel like a singleplayer game but it is nowhere near as immersive as Skyrim was. They took out everything that made Skyrim great, put in everything people complain about in today's MMO's and came up with this piece of crap. It DID go terribly wrong.
So now we are done with ESO, we are going to debate Skyrim not being an Elder Scrolls game?
/SIGH
Well good Luck and debate all you want. If you don't mind.... I go back and enjoy BOTH Skyrim and ESO.
Bye.
This exactly my point and I could not have said it better. Thank You for stating it clearer than I have. I actually hated the fact Skyrim had skill trees. That really sucked and broken the spirit of the series. But since it was just one screw up one could look past it and play the game. ESO has so many deviations one cannot look past them all and play.
When you two are done with Skyrim, you can then start working your way back and start bashing Oblivion.
And as you guys clearly have no clue what you talk about anyway, nor clearly never played any of the older ES games, I just post this link with info from Oblivion and how those mechanics worked:
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion
Just let me know when you are done with that.... then we can move on to Morrowind next.
It has been a long time since I played any of these games so things will be a little fussy but in Oblivion and Morrowind your skill with a weapon or armor was just tied to how much you used it or trained it with a trainer, nothing else. In Skyrim one had to pick points in say 2handed to get those perks. Without getting the perks in say 2handed the 2handed skill was useless. I liked the Oblivion, Morrowind way much better. There is much more freedom there and it feels much for ES. You could become a master of all weapons and armor if you wished and not be gimped by the perks like in Skyrim. Don't get me wrong. I love Bethesda division or I would not even bother making all these posts. Bethesda in general is the best think to happen in gaming.
You're kidding now right?
Have you even played ESO? Do you know you just described the ESO system plus the part about becoming a master of all weapons and armor?
What are you upset about again?
For you and a few others in this thread, there are certain ES things that any ES MMO must have in order for it to meet your threshold criteria to be worth your time and that is why you don't play it and most of you have never played it since release.
You came here supposedly to ask a question (you didn't really, you came with your soapbox,) which has been answered: no, this is not your type of ES game and it will never be. Still you and the other amateur developer wannabes of the True ES Faith want to keep trying to win this silly argument: Is it ES or isn't it? And you will also never win that argument. because those who do play it and enjoy it feel it's ES enough to meet their criteria.
So what it boils down to is that you and a couple of others believe you have superior knowledge and/or taste so you don't play this nor most other MMOs apparently... we get it... you're not part of the great unwashed.
But don't you think it's about time you and your fellow self-professed refined MMO connoisseurs stop trolling the forum of a game that disgusts you and go play one you actually enjoy? If you're capable of admitting enjoyment of any MMO, that is....
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Actually it is not a couple or a few it is the majority of people that feel the way I do. Get on YouTube and type in Elder Scrolls Online review. Most of them are quite negative and voice the same concerns I do. Most people just do not care enough to voice their views online (lurkers) They just walk away sad with a tear in their eye. I guess I will do the same for the online version. There is always Fallout and other Bethesda games to look forward to.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Vast majority? So you can't come up with any arguments anymore, as they all have been debunked.
So now you try to use some stupid youtube videos by some wannabe's, the most of them are from early beta and have nothing to do with how the game is today.
If you actually bothered to filter those videos and find the ones that are actually from AFTER launch, then you would see the most aren't that negative at all.
But it has ben said many times now. You lot clearly have an agenda against Zenimax with some deep hatred, still giving you sleepless Nights and just continue on ignoring everything that has been said.
Good Luck finding a game you can enjoy, as I hardly doubt you ever find one.
Actually, I have filtered them out by date. I have watched the most recent ones. As far you accusing me of having an agenda against Zenimax well that is just pure trolling and incorrect. It is my love for Bethesda that makes me write this stuff. I will try the game in another 6 months and see if they have ironed out any of the issues.
Been playing regularly since beta. My two cents.
The game is okay for me and I'm sticking with it for now to see what is in store down the road. I have no burning desire to play anything else at the moment although ArcheAge intrigues me from the sandbox stuff. At times ESO feels a bit dull as I'm endlessly questing away. Things start blending together so I have to play in little stretches at a time. Does it feel like an Elder Scrolls game to me? Somewhat. I'm familiar with the lore, the universe, etc. I've played everyone of their stand alone games over the years. Does it feel as immersive as the stand alone TES games? Not really. I loved the freedom I had in the stand past games. Some of my characters would be dark thieving characters who would quietly assassinate people in the night (evil chuckle). Others would be goody two shoes avoiding any nefarious activities. Loved the world, the environment and many times I felt like I was on a grand adventure.
ESO doesn't give me that grand sense of adventure. I do like it but something is missing for me. Not sure I will be remembering any particular quest two years from now when I find another MMO to play. I haven't finished the main story quest so perhaps that will blow me away ...hard to say. I do have vivid memories of some of the past TES games though and some of my adventures.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not flaming the game. It just feels a bit blah to me---both as an MMO and an Elder Scrolls game.
Agree. This OP was never meant for anything but to find a way to bash the game. It might have been titled "Does this game not suck now?"
Only you can answer that for yourself. This back and forth arguing is offering zero constructive or worthwhile conversation. It is clogging up the entire forum overview and only acts as a soapbox. Please, can we just lock this thread and lock any future posts like it for any game? (It's also using up unnecessary resources on your web host's end and could be contributing to the sluggish overall performance many are reporting when trying to visit this site).
The only game that could was Ultima Online. I have never seen nor experienced any game that could do that and provide the MMO experience. Let's be frank here, if anyone expected this game to offer something akin to that, you are out of your mind.
Feelings are personal. They are never the same for two people. Yet you are asking for just that. So, please either pick up the game, try a friend's copy out or do whatever, but you are going to be the only one to decide that for yourself. And really? How many days have you spent on this topic? Man you could have bought this game tenfold over with the amount of time wasted already.
The majority just means more than half by definition. The way I came to this conclusion was not just YouTube videos but podcasts, forum posts all over the web other websites etc etc. When I look at a YouTube video I want to make sure it is creditable so I look at who made it and look at the ratio of how many liked it verse how many did not like it. If it does not have at least 75% liked I do not watch it at all. If 75% like it then more than the majority of people who voted liked it so it is a good indicator of how most people feel about it. Most of the videos I watched were versed in the Elder Scrolls Series and they had played ESO quite a bit. The fact that you think nobody listens to YouTube videos is mind blowing.
My only agenda was getting an answer to my original question. Does this game feel like an Elder Scrolls Game now? The opinions vary greatly and the answer is dependent solely on the person. So the answer will be different for each person. I thought when I made this post that there would be a cut and dry answer but this turned out to be a false assumption. However, I got the answer that is right for me. This game will probably never feel like a ES game for me personally. This will not stop me from trying it again to see if I want to play it regardless of its lack of ES spirit. I have always had faith in Bethesda so I am sure it will just get better with time.
Idk you seem to have pretty strong feelings and have made up your mind. In the OP you said "My main issue is does it feel like an Elder Scrolls Game?" Here you say "This game will probably never feel like a ES game for me personally". This just doesn't seem like the game for you.
Now, why do you want to play?
It does not need to be an ES game for me to enjoy playing it. So it is not an ES game that sucks but that does not ruin the game as an mmo.
Isn't it funny how we all rationalize things in our own way.
I usually don't play theme parks, but because this is an Elder Scrolls game, I gave it a look. I'm glad I did. I found the best pvp and combat the genre has to offer, even though it's not FFA. To top it all off, it's the fricken Elder Scrolls mmorpg. I'm playing a Redguard Night Blade who hates Elves and Nords. How cool is that?