Speaking for my self, I didn't spend the $150 to "test", but I wanted the game and I got one pack for me and the wife so we would have nice stuff when it launches.
The beta and alpha are just perks, We have maybe played 2-3 weeks in total but are holding off until release. It's really hard to stay out though, the game is so fun
Edit: I'm also very fascinated about how much people care about how other people spend their money. It's as if one had personal interests in other peoples money.
What's more hilarious: paying to test an unfinished new game or paying to test an already released title that's been out for a couple of years.
The idea of both is laughable to me.
You get those packs for the 4 day head start (claiming land) and the extra items+credits.
You make it look like people pay for the alpha/beta access only. False, if you look you can get the Archeum pack for 80$ and that is a very good price for the items you get as you would pay abit more for the same stuff at release.
+you get to test the game before and if you dont like to pay for that or you are unlucky maybe just wait for the OPEN beta were everyone can test and stop doing stuipid posts that lack any real arguments
Early access is a gimmick to receive money, the Devs already got a team working on bugs and such, the only real test you early access people provide are server stress tests.
I don't mean to burst your bubbles and your high hopes for this sorry excuse of a MMO, but it's been in development for long enough and it changed course quite a few times. And back in the 90's early 2000's, you would sign up for a beta try out and if you're lucky you'd receive a e-mail with a code to join in and have fun. Today it's all a scheme to pay to enter, doesn't matter how many years the game still has in development, pay and you'll get in guaranteed.
As probably every upcoming MMO, ArcheAge is all nice and shiny but deep to it's core, it's still the same garbage we've been seeing for countless years. You want a real game? Then go play Divinity : Original Sin, real gamers don't let themselves be hand hold.
At any rate, if you want a serious MMO that knows what the hell it's doing, then go play WoW, it's still the real deal for many years to come. No matter how much you want to hate and troll on it, numbers don't lie, WoW is still on top of the MMO world, and by a lot. You got more people playing WoW private servers then registered users on GW2. So yeah, at the end of the day we can talk for hours about up coming MMO's, but deep down, when you really get down to it and be honest with yourselves, there is only WoW.
At any rate, if you want a serious MMO that knows what the hell it's doing, then go play WoW, it's still the real deal for many years to come. No matter how much you want to hate and troll on it, numbers don't lie, WoW is still on top of the MMO world, and by a lot. You got more people playing WoW private servers then registered users on GW2. So yeah, at the end of the day we can talk for hours about up coming MMO's, but deep down, when you really get down to it and be honest with yourselves, there is only WoW.
Lol @ serious MMO and WoW in the same sentence.
Also saying that broke kids that play on illegal private servers are more then gw2 registered users (care to show your source? ofc you don't have it no need to think hard about it) doesn't really help you make a point.
Originally posted by KookidTo all those who have not joined the Beta test yet, I'll let you know that there are many features (such as auction house, or building a house) that will not work unless you have bought a founder's pack.As many know, when joining a beta test for an mmorpg, the main focus should be on finding bugs and reporting those bugs in order for them to get fixed so that when the game launches everyone can enjoy the game with almost flawless functionality.Allowing players to beta test a game is a cheap, quick way of finding out what problems your game might have and needs fixing BEFORE you sell the game, and in exchange, you allow eager impatient players to test out your game before launch.Paying for the game should be the decision you take after you decide that you like the game, and to influence players to pay for the game for full basic functionality during a beta test is an unclassy, cheap move.Granted, the founder's pack gets you exclusive items, and you must pay to have full functionality when the game launches anyway, though the fact still is that this is still a testing phase aimed at getting rid of problems.I am not sure what message Trion sends across when it asks for money from players who are helping it get rid of bugs for free in exchange for playing the game (in this case, without full functionality)
Trion doesn't care for you to test the patron aspects of the game, as they already have many patrons doing it. Thanks for your interest anyway.
I want numbers of how many players are patrons, how many are still active, and how many have found bugs and reported it.
I bet you won't be able to provide that information as you'll probably never get to shouting distance from Trion during your lifetime.
Thanks for the useless post anyway.
I think you should get more familiar with AA forums, maybe you spend too much time in unrelated forums?
You want numbers? Enough people paid the 150$ to fill 2 whole servers. Many others bought the beta pack. Again nobody really cares about f2p testing patron stuff, if you don't feel like testing the f2p then wait release or get a pack.
And that folks is how to react to a obvious troll bait attempt.
Not really, they normally educate people at universities (at least the good ones) how to provide sources that basically says you're not making shit up. These sources must be credible and not written by someone who could have made them up as well.
You then learn how important it is to rely on factual information and not what you believe, as what you believe may not always be true.
Providing forum links that free and paying players post at to prove that there are many paying players (especially when most posts are technical issues caused by bad computer configuration) isn't really how things work.
Neither is saying "Two servers were full" when the capacity of a server could be 100 players to 100,000 players.
Or if you were in class and you made a statement such as your fellow poster there your professor would question whether it is true or not. Providing a half assed explanation as such would probably get you humiliated.
Also, when in a professional setting, you need to provide data that has to be analyzed and studied in order to ultimately make a decision. Again, an answer such as your fellow poster would probably result in a huge loss for the company.
However, I don't really give two sh*ts about AA anymore and why Trion wants to make as much money as possible from the small % of people who are capable of paying 150$ before proceeding to launch which brings the regular monthly rate that a much larger % of people are willing to pay.
I still do try every once in a while to engage in productive, intellectual dialogue with strangers on the internet, but I inevitably get smacked in the face by all the keyboard warriors and children who know the secrets of the universe.
I'm not in the mood to debate the amount of paying players on AA based on wack.
Well you can log in beta and go click on all players to see if they have a patron buff. Pls do that on all servers or your "facts" won't be enough to be called true. Then i want you to screenshot them all and post them in an open image hosting website. Please add the names of all these players too. Oh and then buy the 150$ pack go to the alpha forum and screenshot every page of the game bug reports, so everyone else can see for themselves that what you are telling is true.
I'd also like you to go to Trion and ask for an officially signed paper with the number of patrons registered as of today 16/08/14 aswell as the active statistics.
Too much of a hassle? Well then don't ask for "facts" if you are the first who can't be arsed to look for them ^^
Don't act like a smart kid when you don't even understand what you are talking about.
...At any rate, if you want a serious MMO that knows what the hell it's doing, then go play WoW, it's still the real deal for many years to come. No matter how much you want to hate and troll on it, numbers don't lie, WoW is still on top of the MMO world, and by a lot. You got more people playing WoW private servers then registered users on GW2. So yeah, at the end of the day we can talk for hours about up coming MMO's, but deep down, when you really get down to it and be honest with yourselves, there is only WoW.
Well you can log in beta and go click on all players to see if they have a patron buff. Pls do that on all servers or your "facts" won't be enough to be called true. Then i want you to screenshot them all and post them in an open image hosting website. Please add the names of all these players too. Oh and then buy the 150$ pack go to the alpha forum and screenshot every page of the game bug reports, so everyone else can see for themselves that what you are telling is true.
I'd also like you to go to Trion and ask for an officially signed paper with the number of patrons registered as of today 16/08/14 aswell as the active statistics.
Too much of a hassle? Well then don't ask for "facts" if you are the first who can't be arsed to look for them ^^
Don't act like a smart kid when you don't even understand what you are talking about.
You don't get it do you?
Originally posted by An4thor
Trion doesn't care for you to test the patron aspects of the game, as they already have many patrons doing it. Thanks for your interest anyway.
I asked you to prove this, and then you came back to me telling me its very hard to prove....
The proof is the reason for this thread... If Trion needed f2p players to test patron stuff they would have given everybody patron status. Did they do it? No. What does trion need, that they can't test with only patrons? Free to play stuff. It's not hard to grasp with a little thought.
Originally posted by lugal I don't get what there is to test, the game is launched on 2 continents already. All this company is doing is milking suckers for money.
The server infrastructure need testing so the launch can be smooth. I have seen no problems at all though.
Suckers as you call them are not as stupid as you think, they know that what they buy, its called founders packs because you give extra support, so the developers can give the game extra support.
Originally posted by KookidTo all those who have not joined the Beta test yet, I'll let you know that there are many features (such as auction house, or building a house) that will not work unless you have bought a founder's pack.As many know, when joining a beta test for an mmorpg, the main focus should be on finding bugs and reporting those bugs in order for them to get fixed so that when the game launches everyone can enjoy the game with almost flawless functionality.Allowing players to beta test a game is a cheap, quick way of finding out what problems your game might have and needs fixing BEFORE you sell the game, and in exchange, you allow eager impatient players to test out your game before launch.Paying for the game should be the decision you take after you decide that you like the game, and to influence players to pay for the game for full basic functionality during a beta test is an unclassy, cheap move.Granted, the founder's pack gets you exclusive items, and you must pay to have full functionality when the game launches anyway, though the fact still is that this is still a testing phase aimed at getting rid of problems.I am not sure what message Trion sends across when it asks for money from players who are helping it get rid of bugs for free in exchange for playing the game (in this case, without full functionality)
Trion doesn't care for you to test the patron aspects of the game, as they already have many patrons doing it. Thanks for your interest anyway.
I want numbers of how many players are patrons, how many are still active, and how many have found bugs and reported it.
I bet you won't be able to provide that information as you'll probably never get to shouting distance from Trion during your lifetime.
Thanks for the useless post anyway.
I think you should get more familiar with AA forums, maybe you spend too much time in unrelated forums?
You want numbers? Enough people paid the 150$ to fill 2 whole servers. Many others bought the beta pack. Again nobody really cares about f2p testing patron stuff, if you don't feel like testing the f2p then wait release or get a pack.
And that folks is how to react to a obvious troll bait attempt.
Not really, they normally educate people at universities (at least the good ones) how to provide sources that basically says you're not making shit up. These sources must be credible and not written by someone who could have made them up as well.
You then learn how important it is to rely on factual information and not what you believe, as what you believe may not always be true.
Providing forum links that free and paying players post at to prove that there are many paying players (especially when most posts are technical issues caused by bad computer configuration) isn't really how things work.
Neither is saying "Two servers were full" when the capacity of a server could be 100 players to 100,000 players.
Or if you were in class and you made a statement such as your fellow poster there your professor would question whether it is true or not. Providing a half assed explanation as such would probably get you humiliated.
Also, when in a professional setting, you need to provide data that has to be analyzed and studied in order to ultimately make a decision. Again, an answer such as your fellow poster would probably result in a huge loss for the company.
However, I don't really give two sh*ts about AA anymore and why Trion wants to make as much money as possible from the small % of people who are capable of paying 150$ before proceeding to launch which brings the regular monthly rate that a much larger % of people are willing to pay.
I still do try every once in a while to engage in productive, intellectual dialogue with strangers on the internet, but I inevitably get smacked in the face by all the keyboard warriors and children who know the secrets of the universe.
I'm not in the mood to debate the amount of paying players on AA based on wack.
And that people is how you prove the closest you ever got to University is Good Will Hunting. You may try to hid your personal attacks between the lines and claim others are "keyboard warriors and children" but you really only proven that you haven't even got the slightest clue how you go about proving a theory and make wild allegations (a server could have 100 to 100.000 players, false outliers stretch from 60-70000, EVE Online's mega server, to the default 10.000, last time I checked that was the industry standard and the one most AA and AAA MMOs had for their servers including WoW) while meandering around in a tirade and ignoring facts you dislike.
To humor you: Most professors wouldn't humiliate you in class if you made a wrong supposition or an error in logic at the University level, they'd look at your work and help you understand where you screwed up on your own. The others would humor you and help you through the process of proving (or in this case: disproving) your theory by using the scientific method (long story short here: proven theory = theory + repeated, independent, data sets obtained from experiments which are predicted by said theory, ex: how the theory of relativity was proven via observations of stars during solar eclipses).
His theory, that there are plenty of people playing the game at both beta and alpha level, assuming best conservative case for alpha around 20.000 and worse 10.000 spread amongst two servers, is partially proven by his sources but not definitively as that would require seeing the alpha only sub-forum found in the links and I assume that is still under heavy NDA but considering this isn't a black or white subject ( IE: 1+1=2, completely abstract numbers btw ) his proof outweighs your opinion by a country mile and thus you come off looking like someone who is, pardon the frankness, that which he loathes.
Paying for the game should be the decision you take after you decide that you like the game, and to influence players to pay for the game for full basic functionality during a beta test is an unclassy, cheap move.
I am glad you called them out on their questionable business practices but companies will do anything these days to make a buck when there are tons and tons of suckers that will just give them 150- for essentially nothing. I agree, you should only spend 150- after you have played the game and decided you like the game enough to spend 150-. Spending 150- before is essentially gambling that the game will be fun for you at release. How can you know that before trying it? I made the same mistake for the Landmark game but I got my money back so no loss. I admit I was a fool to spend that 100- but there are so many people that will not let their egos say such a thing. This lesson is NOT to buy anything until after you have tried it in a released form.
On the other hand ...lots of folks already have played 3 months with one or two more months in Alpha and 3 months in hand c/w $75.00 worth of cash shop goodies .Might have been a gamble at first but now it looks like a pretty good deal to anyone that actually enjoys playing the game more then posting on the forums .
So gamble or not it seems 8+ months of AA is a better deal then 1 month in TESO and 1 week to 1 month in Wildstar for the same $150
And all your Alpha progress will be wiped at the release. Really sound investment there, playing on a server that not only gets wiped but also is not representative of the final game because you are playing patch 1.2 and not all modifications for live are published. Many things will change, one of them is the LP gain.
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Calling $75 worth of cash shop goodies a good deal is ridiculous, you are forced to pay $75 for cash shop items you would have never bought just to be part of a preview game and you think its a good deal?
I think the idea to limit beta "testers" who have not purchased the game to only F2P portion of the game is a poor choice made by them. First, if the idea is to beta test your product, let the people you have invited to test the game test all aspects of the game. Limiting it only to people who have a vested financial interest is going to give you skewed results. Second, it's just bad marketing. These beta events are really just a way to market their game. If you are going to alienate people that you've invited to these events, you're going to lose potential customers.
And the argument about "well, it's not to mislead you" is a bogus argument. They could have handled that with a popup that displays something like "This is a beta test.. All features are enabled for all users, yet come launch, your game options might be limited if you are a F2P player." The way they are going about it is a cash grab. They have charged an insane amount for these founder packs and now they have to justify the cost to the people who have paid it by giving them and them alone the access to the full game.
Sure, they are keeping the buyers somewhat happy in this but shouldn't there aim to be to grab any new customers? With how they are handling it right now, they are turning off a lot of people.
Paying for the game should be the decision you take after you decide that you like the game, and to influence players to pay for the game for full basic functionality during a beta test is an unclassy, cheap move.
I am glad you called them out on their questionable business practices but companies will do anything these days to make a buck when there are tons and tons of suckers that will just give them 150- for essentially nothing. I agree, you should only spend 150- after you have played the game and decided you like the game enough to spend 150-. Spending 150- before is essentially gambling that the game will be fun for you at release. How can you know that before trying it? I made the same mistake for the Landmark game but I got my money back so no loss. I admit I was a fool to spend that 100- but there are so many people that will not let their egos say such a thing. This lesson is NOT to buy anything until after you have tried it in a released form.
On the other hand ...lots of folks already have played 3 months with one or two more months in Alpha and 3 months in hand c/w $75.00 worth of cash shop goodies .Might have been a gamble at first but now it looks like a pretty good deal to anyone that actually enjoys playing the game more then posting on the forums .
So gamble or not it seems 8+ months of AA is a better deal then 1 month in TESO and 1 week to 1 month in Wildstar for the same $150
And all your Alpha progress will be wipes at the release. Really sound investment there, playing on server that not only gets wiped but also is not representative of the final game because you are playing patch 1.2 and not all modifications for live are published. Many things will change, one of them is the LP gain.
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Calling $75 worth of cash shop goodies a good deal is ridiculous, you are forced to pay $75 for cash shop items you would have never bought just to be part of a preview game and you think its a good deal?
Alpha gets the newest builds before beta; so yes you get the modifications. Experience is very valuable in this game, if it's not for you doesn't mean it can't be for others. Nobody is forced to spend the 75$ in one go. If one spent 150$ for AA he (hopefully) knew that he was going to play it for a long time after launch and would have bought that ammount of credits anyway. These credits can be spent to buy Patron, so yeah you get the value out of that too.
It is a good deal for those that see the value in it. It's not a deal for you. Neither of the two groups are wrong nor smarter.
Well if you plan on investing time and everything in AA it was smart to get the alpha pack, as it is smart now to get a beta pack.
Originally posted by KookidTo all those who have not joined the Beta test yet, I'll let you know that there are many features (such as auction house, or building a house) that will not work unless you have bought a founder's pack.As many know, when joining a beta test for an mmorpg, the main focus should be on finding bugs and reporting those bugs in order for them to get fixed so that when the game launches everyone can enjoy the game with almost flawless functionality.Allowing players to beta test a game is a cheap, quick way of finding out what problems your game might have and needs fixing BEFORE you sell the game, and in exchange, you allow eager impatient players to test out your game before launch.Paying for the game should be the decision you take after you decide that you like the game, and to influence players to pay for the game for full basic functionality during a beta test is an unclassy, cheap move.Granted, the founder's pack gets you exclusive items, and you must pay to have full functionality when the game launches anyway, though the fact still is that this is still a testing phase aimed at getting rid of problems.I am not sure what message Trion sends across when it asks for money from players who are helping it get rid of bugs for free in exchange for playing the game (in this case, without full functionality)
Trion doesn't care for you to test the patron aspects of the game, as they already have many patrons doing it. Thanks for your interest anyway.
I want numbers of how many players are patrons, how many are still active, and how many have found bugs and reported it.
I bet you won't be able to provide that information as you'll probably never get to shouting distance from Trion during your lifetime.
Thanks for the useless post anyway.
I think you should get more familiar with AA forums, maybe you spend too much time in unrelated forums?
You want numbers? Enough people paid the 150$ to fill 2 whole servers. Many others bought the beta pack. Again nobody really cares about f2p testing patron stuff, if you don't feel like testing the f2p then wait release or get a pack.
And that folks is how to react to a obvious troll bait attempt.
Not really, they normally educate people at universities (at least the good ones) how to provide sources that basically say you're not making shit up. These sources must be credible and not written by someone who could have made them up as well.
You then learn how important it is to rely on factual information and not what you believe, as what you believe may not always be true.
Providing forum links that free and paying players post at to prove that there are many paying players (especially when most posts are technical issues caused by bad computer configuration) isn't really how things work.
Neither is saying "Two servers were full" when the capacity of a server could be 100 players to 100,000 players.
Or if you were in class and you made a statement such as your fellow poster there your professor would question whether it is true or not. Providing a half assed explanation as such would probably get you humiliated.
Also, when in a professional setting, you need to provide data that has to be analyzed and studied in order to ultimately make a decision. Again, a decision based on the likes of the answers of your fellow poster would probably result in a huge loss for the company.
However, I don't really give two sh*ts about AA anymore and why Trion wants to make as much money as possible from the small % of people who are capable of paying 150$ before proceeding to launch which brings the regular monthly rate that a much larger % of people are willing to pay.
I still do try every once in a while to engage in productive, intellectual dialogue with strangers on the internet, but I inevitably get smacked in the face by all the keyboard warriors and children who know the secrets of the universe.
I'm not in the mood to debate the amount of paying players on AA based on wack.
Far out. You just discredited quite a few people who posted their thoughts/ideas/concerns/etc... on numerous public forums with one giant wall of text.
Your excessive use of expletives demonstrates your taking this forum way too seriously. Please, for your health, don't take it so personal. It'll all be ok.
Paying for the game should be the decision you take after you decide that you like the game, and to influence players to pay for the game for full basic functionality during a beta test is an unclassy, cheap move.
I am glad you called them out on their questionable business practices but companies will do anything these days to make a buck when there are tons and tons of suckers that will just give them 150- for essentially nothing. I agree, you should only spend 150- after you have played the game and decided you like the game enough to spend 150-. Spending 150- before is essentially gambling that the game will be fun for you at release. How can you know that before trying it? I made the same mistake for the Landmark game but I got my money back so no loss. I admit I was a fool to spend that 100- but there are so many people that will not let their egos say such a thing. This lesson is NOT to buy anything until after you have tried it in a released form.
On the other hand ...lots of folks already have played 3 months with one or two more months in Alpha and 3 months in hand c/w $75.00 worth of cash shop goodies .Might have been a gamble at first but now it looks like a pretty good deal to anyone that actually enjoys playing the game more then posting on the forums .
So gamble or not it seems 8+ months of AA is a better deal then 1 month in TESO and 1 week to 1 month in Wildstar for the same $150
And all your Alpha progress will be wipes at the release. Really sound investment there, playing on server that not only gets wiped but also is not representative of the final game because you are playing patch 1.2 and not all modifications for live are published. Many things will change, one of them is the LP gain.
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Calling $75 worth of cash shop goodies a good deal is ridiculous, you are forced to pay $75 for cash shop items you would have never bought just to be part of a preview game and you think its a good deal?
75$ worth of cash shop currency, the (I assume) limited edition (no post founder pack availability) desert set, the cloak, some items to help speed up the acquisition of certain things (the top level one came with a kit to design your own crest from the get go), the glider and 3 months worth of patron. Just saying you should add in everything not just what you disregard because you do not want to play the game.
And everyone who play a game in beta is main objective is finding bugs and report to company, right...
Most of ppl playing betas is to play the game and decide if like or not.
I never play betas or alphas to find bugs, i dont work for them, i play to see if the game will worth my Money or not when release, like ESO betas example.
In AA thats not need it, because ppl can try it for free when release.
Wanna help Trion with ArcheAge? buy a fonder pack, Trion will say Thanks
Note: all is based in my personal opinion, no facts envolve.
Originally posted by lugal I don't get what there is to test, the game is launched on 2 continents already. All this company is doing is milking suckers for money.
The server infrastructure need testing so the launch can be smooth. I have seen no problems at all though.
Suckers as you call them are not as stupid as you think, they know that what they buy, its called founders packs because you give extra support, so the developers can give the game extra support.
So if everything is running great for you, wonderful. But how about those that are having issues? Is there a working system in place to isolate what may be causing these issues? I have seen some little articles about common steps to help with reported Hackshield issues, but there are still a number of people (as evidenced) by the posts on the bug report and tech support forums that are having issues with just launching the game.
If you can't even solve the issue that is prohibiting people from entering your said game then you have a problem on your hands.
Calling $75 worth of cash shop goodies a good deal is ridiculous, you are forced to pay $75 for cash shop items you would have never bought just to be part of a preview game and you think its a good deal?
No you buy it because you think it is worth investing it because you want to play the game serious.
You will need the credits, the glider, mount gives you an advantage at the start of the game. The six extra shop boxes will give you potions that speed up your leveling.
And everyone who play a game in beta is main objective is finding bugs and report to company, right...
Most of ppl playing betas is to play the game and decide if like or not.
I never play betas or alphas to find bugs, i dont work for them, i play to see if the game will worth my Money or not when release, like ESO betas example.
In AA thats not need it, because ppl can try it for free when release.
Wanna help Trion with ArcheAge? buy a fonder pack, Trion will say Thanks
Note: all is based in my personal opinion, no facts envolve.
(Sorry for double post).
That's another thing that irks me. These beta events are just early sneak peaks. Why even call them beta events any more? Just call them for what they are.
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LOL ...pretty sure 99.99% of folks in general and fans in particular have no interest in the fact that you are playing or not
the F2P content needs to be tested too, one of the results is a rework of the labor system, trion discusses changes with XL atm.
thats what a beat is for, also to test server structure, interest in the game and plan servers and ofc creating a shop for the western market
What's more hilarious: paying to test an unfinished new game or paying to test an already released title that's been out for a couple of years.
The idea of both is laughable to me.
Speaking for my self, I didn't spend the $150 to "test", but I wanted the game and I got one pack for me and the wife so we would have nice stuff when it launches.
The beta and alpha are just perks, We have maybe played 2-3 weeks in total but are holding off until release. It's really hard to stay out though, the game is so fun
Edit: I'm also very fascinated about how much people care about how other people spend their money. It's as if one had personal interests in other peoples money.
You get those packs for the 4 day head start (claiming land) and the extra items+credits.
You make it look like people pay for the alpha/beta access only. False, if you look you can get the Archeum pack for 80$ and that is a very good price for the items you get as you would pay abit more for the same stuff at release.
+you get to test the game before and if you dont like to pay for that or you are unlucky maybe just wait for the OPEN beta were everyone can test and stop doing stuipid posts that lack any real arguments
Early access is a gimmick to receive money, the Devs already got a team working on bugs and such, the only real test you early access people provide are server stress tests.
I don't mean to burst your bubbles and your high hopes for this sorry excuse of a MMO, but it's been in development for long enough and it changed course quite a few times. And back in the 90's early 2000's, you would sign up for a beta try out and if you're lucky you'd receive a e-mail with a code to join in and have fun. Today it's all a scheme to pay to enter, doesn't matter how many years the game still has in development, pay and you'll get in guaranteed.
As probably every upcoming MMO, ArcheAge is all nice and shiny but deep to it's core, it's still the same garbage we've been seeing for countless years. You want a real game? Then go play Divinity : Original Sin, real gamers don't let themselves be hand hold.
At any rate, if you want a serious MMO that knows what the hell it's doing, then go play WoW, it's still the real deal for many years to come. No matter how much you want to hate and troll on it, numbers don't lie, WoW is still on top of the MMO world, and by a lot. You got more people playing WoW private servers then registered users on GW2. So yeah, at the end of the day we can talk for hours about up coming MMO's, but deep down, when you really get down to it and be honest with yourselves, there is only WoW.
Lol @ serious MMO and WoW in the same sentence.
Also saying that broke kids that play on illegal private servers are more then gw2 registered users (care to show your source? ofc you don't have it no need to think hard about it) doesn't really help you make a point.
Well you can log in beta and go click on all players to see if they have a patron buff. Pls do that on all servers or your "facts" won't be enough to be called true. Then i want you to screenshot them all and post them in an open image hosting website. Please add the names of all these players too. Oh and then buy the 150$ pack go to the alpha forum and screenshot every page of the game bug reports, so everyone else can see for themselves that what you are telling is true.
I'd also like you to go to Trion and ask for an officially signed paper with the number of patrons registered as of today 16/08/14 aswell as the active statistics.
Too much of a hassle? Well then don't ask for "facts" if you are the first who can't be arsed to look for them ^^
Don't act like a smart kid when you don't even understand what you are talking about.
She went deep there. I hope I don't drown.
The proof is the reason for this thread... If Trion needed f2p players to test patron stuff they would have given everybody patron status. Did they do it? No. What does trion need, that they can't test with only patrons? Free to play stuff. It's not hard to grasp with a little thought.
The server infrastructure need testing so the launch can be smooth. I have seen no problems at all though.
Suckers as you call them are not as stupid as you think, they know that what they buy, its called founders packs because you give extra support, so the developers can give the game extra support.
And that people is how you prove the closest you ever got to University is Good Will Hunting. You may try to hid your personal attacks between the lines and claim others are "keyboard warriors and children" but you really only proven that you haven't even got the slightest clue how you go about proving a theory and make wild allegations (a server could have 100 to 100.000 players, false outliers stretch from 60-70000, EVE Online's mega server, to the default 10.000, last time I checked that was the industry standard and the one most AA and AAA MMOs had for their servers including WoW) while meandering around in a tirade and ignoring facts you dislike.
To humor you: Most professors wouldn't humiliate you in class if you made a wrong supposition or an error in logic at the University level, they'd look at your work and help you understand where you screwed up on your own. The others would humor you and help you through the process of proving (or in this case: disproving) your theory by using the scientific method (long story short here: proven theory = theory + repeated, independent, data sets obtained from experiments which are predicted by said theory, ex: how the theory of relativity was proven via observations of stars during solar eclipses).
His theory, that there are plenty of people playing the game at both beta and alpha level, assuming best conservative case for alpha around 20.000 and worse 10.000 spread amongst two servers, is partially proven by his sources but not definitively as that would require seeing the alpha only sub-forum found in the links and I assume that is still under heavy NDA but considering this isn't a black or white subject ( IE: 1+1=2, completely abstract numbers btw ) his proof outweighs your opinion by a country mile and thus you come off looking like someone who is, pardon the frankness, that which he loathes.
And all your Alpha progress will be wiped at the release. Really sound investment there, playing on a server that not only gets wiped but also is not representative of the final game because you are playing patch 1.2 and not all modifications for live are published. Many things will change, one of them is the LP gain.
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Calling $75 worth of cash shop goodies a good deal is ridiculous, you are forced to pay $75 for cash shop items you would have never bought just to be part of a preview game and you think its a good deal?
I think the idea to limit beta "testers" who have not purchased the game to only F2P portion of the game is a poor choice made by them. First, if the idea is to beta test your product, let the people you have invited to test the game test all aspects of the game. Limiting it only to people who have a vested financial interest is going to give you skewed results. Second, it's just bad marketing. These beta events are really just a way to market their game. If you are going to alienate people that you've invited to these events, you're going to lose potential customers.
And the argument about "well, it's not to mislead you" is a bogus argument. They could have handled that with a popup that displays something like "This is a beta test.. All features are enabled for all users, yet come launch, your game options might be limited if you are a F2P player." The way they are going about it is a cash grab. They have charged an insane amount for these founder packs and now they have to justify the cost to the people who have paid it by giving them and them alone the access to the full game.
Sure, they are keeping the buyers somewhat happy in this but shouldn't there aim to be to grab any new customers? With how they are handling it right now, they are turning off a lot of people.
Alpha gets the newest builds before beta; so yes you get the modifications. Experience is very valuable in this game, if it's not for you doesn't mean it can't be for others. Nobody is forced to spend the 75$ in one go. If one spent 150$ for AA he (hopefully) knew that he was going to play it for a long time after launch and would have bought that ammount of credits anyway. These credits can be spent to buy Patron, so yeah you get the value out of that too.
It is a good deal for those that see the value in it. It's not a deal for you. Neither of the two groups are wrong nor smarter.
Well if you plan on investing time and everything in AA it was smart to get the alpha pack, as it is smart now to get a beta pack.
Far out. You just discredited quite a few people who posted their thoughts/ideas/concerns/etc... on numerous public forums with one giant wall of text.
Your excessive use of expletives demonstrates your taking this forum way too seriously. Please, for your health, don't take it so personal. It'll all be ok.
75$ worth of cash shop currency, the (I assume) limited edition (no post founder pack availability) desert set, the cloak, some items to help speed up the acquisition of certain things (the top level one came with a kit to design your own crest from the get go), the glider and 3 months worth of patron. Just saying you should add in everything not just what you disregard because you do not want to play the game.
Source: http://www.archeagegame.com/en/shop/
And everyone who play a game in beta is main objective is finding bugs and report to company, right...
Most of ppl playing betas is to play the game and decide if like or not.
I never play betas or alphas to find bugs, i dont work for them, i play to see if the game will worth my Money or not when release, like ESO betas example.
In AA thats not need it, because ppl can try it for free when release.
Wanna help Trion with ArcheAge? buy a fonder pack, Trion will say Thanks
Note: all is based in my personal opinion, no facts envolve.
So if everything is running great for you, wonderful. But how about those that are having issues? Is there a working system in place to isolate what may be causing these issues? I have seen some little articles about common steps to help with reported Hackshield issues, but there are still a number of people (as evidenced) by the posts on the bug report and tech support forums that are having issues with just launching the game.
If you can't even solve the issue that is prohibiting people from entering your said game then you have a problem on your hands.
No you buy it because you think it is worth investing it because you want to play the game serious.
You will need the credits, the glider, mount gives you an advantage at the start of the game. The six extra shop boxes will give you potions that speed up your leveling.
and most important, 4 days headstart ofc
(Sorry for double post).
That's another thing that irks me. These beta events are just early sneak peaks. Why even call them beta events any more? Just call them for what they are.