I hate Min/Maxers or Statjunkies or Spreadsheet Warriors, whichever you prefer to call them. The ones who have calculated all the variables and will instruct you on how you have built your character and geared them in an unoptimized fashion. This was especially heinous in FFXI with job combinations. I mean I can understand if it is your guild raid coordinator giving you friendly advice, but when it is just a random jackass calling you ignorant, screw that.
The other one I dislike is the PvPBlamer. They want to blame everyone else on the team for a losing bout and take no responsibility on themselves, even when their stats look like crap. The other type here is the Kill Counter, completely ignores PvP objectives (which usually garners more reward) in favor of just running up a kill count at the detriment or even loss to the team.
I hate Min/Maxers or Statjunkies or Spreadsheet Warriors, whichever you prefer to call them. The ones who have calculated all the variables and will instruct you on how you have built your character and geared them in an unoptimized fashion. This was especially heinous in FFXI with job combinations. I mean I can understand if it is your guild raid coordinator giving you friendly advice, but when it is just a random jackass calling you ignorant, screw that.
The other one I dislike is the PvPBlamer. They want to blame everyone else on the team for a losing bout and take no responsibility on themselves, even when their stats look like crap. The other type here is the Kill Counter, completely ignores PvP objectives (which usually garners more reward) in favor of just running up a kill count at the detriment or even loss to the team.
haha, yes, the pvp blamer is irritating as hell. As soon as your team starts losing they start calling out 'bunch of noobs' to deflect attention away from their own terrible performance.
There are also many people in mmo's who simply do not understand that in competitive gameplay one team has to win and another has to lose (ignoring draws). They seem to think that every loss means their team is awful and everyone in it is a noob, rather than understanding that however well you play circumstances or tactics may just go against you.
Just report them as bots, because that's all they are if they don't speak.
It's my right not to talk to you, nothing says I have to. Sometimes I just want to play by myself but in your logic, I have to play how you want me to play.
If someone talks to you on a dungeon run and you choose to ignore him/her it may be your self appointed right to do so but you better face the consequences. It's not my intention to call you names but for the sake of discussion I need to point out in that moment from everyones else perspectiveyou are being literaly a retard. If that's how you like to be perceived, than fine you're free to do so.
And don't forget being in online environment together with other people also comes with a certain amount of responsibility. I know some never learn about it and that there's a lot of kids around but that doesn't mean it's any less important.
The number 2) *Insert Cricket Noise Here* is quite a good exemple of the number 1 annoyance for non-English speaking country natives playing on international games when it comes to MMO players : the eveybody should speak English type of player.
Because it is well known from English speaking people that English is the "world" language isn't it ? Well, in fact, it isn't. Sure it is the language that most of the people coming from different countries use for business. But this is for people that have to do business with foreigners. And what percent of a non-English speaking country does it represents exactly ? Maybe 1% ? Because in the daily life of the vast majority of non-English speaking country natives, you ll never have to speak English.
And, of course, those that complain about people not speaking in English only speak English. So they ask for the others to compensate their lack of knowledge by speaking the only language that they understand. Why bothering yourself at learning something when you can ask others to do it for you ?...
So the *Everybody should speak Enlish type of player* is definitively the worst kind of player that i may encounter when playing a MMO on an international server.
I agree (I am English) on an international server, anyone who cannot abide any other language is a fool.
However, a common language is often needed, and given the prevalence of English as a first or second language in so many countries it seems the natural language to choose.
Originally posted by Erda Elitists probably bother me the most followed by the know-it-all who usually ends up in every guild I join, lol. Just human nature I suppose. I don't mind advice, especially if I ask for it. Unsolicited advice jammed down my throat usually results in a bit of mental nerd rage on my part. Great article. Would love to see a follow-on article that addresses personality types in guilds! MMOs are such interesting things and a reason why I play them.
That would be my 2 most annoying types, too.
Advice I ask for is welcome. Number crunchers (min/maxers) can go to hell, in my opinion. I play concepts with my characters and so many "Elitists" and "Know-It-Alls" just do not get that.
Great list, by the way. Of course, with the influx players come the influx of these player types.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I don't let any type of player bother me when I'm playing. I play for fun. When I start to get annoyed ... I log off. But, I do enjoy beating the crap out of an elitist. They tend to underestimate me because I'm a girl and pretty laid back.
Originally posted by AlBQuirky That would be my 2 most annoying types, too.
Advice I ask for is welcome. Number crunchers (min/maxers) can go to hell, in my opinion. I play concepts with my characters and so many "Elitists" and "Know-It-Alls" just do not get that.
Great list, by the way. Of course, with the influx players come the influx of these player types.
Way back in the day, I was playing a character, I was minding my own business when I get a whisper saying that I'm "playing wrong". I of course, sent a whisper back "How can I play wrong, I'm playing how I want to play". They then proceeded to say that my gear was all wrong, how I was supposed to have a shield, ect...
I simply replied, I have no problem playing the game, and that the designers made options available for a reason. If they didn't want players to experiment we would simply have a template that we play instead of a tree that skills can be chosen from.
To me, it IS these 5 that ruin my fun in an mmoRPG. You play your way, I play mine, don't force your way on me, unless you want to pay for my account. then I guess I have no real problem
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The number 2) *Insert Cricket Noise Here* is quite a good exemple of the number 1 annoyance for non-English speaking country natives playing on international games when it comes to MMO players : the eveybody should speak English type of player.
Because it is well known from English speaking people that English is the "world" language isn't it ? Well, in fact, it isn't. Sure it is the language that most of the people coming from different countries use for business. But this is for people that have to do business with foreigners. And what percent of a non-English speaking country does it represents exactly ? Maybe 1% ? Because in the daily life of the vast majority of non-English speaking country natives, you ll never have to speak English.
And, of course, those that complain about people not speaking in English only speak English. So they ask for the others to compensate their lack of knowledge by speaking the only language that they understand. Why bothering yourself at learning something when you can ask others to do it for you ?...
So the *Everybody should speak Enlish type of player* is definitely the worst kind of player that i may encounter when playing a MMO on an international server.
Yeah, that would annoy me if I was on an international server and someone griped about not everyone speaking English. But when someone comes onto NA servers, its' really annoying when they don't speak English. I liked playing FFXI with multiple language players and that the developers put a translator into the games chat function.
Alot of people here a misunderstanding the "crickets" point, thinking that just because they don't talk that they fall into this category. What the point refers to is that bloke you party with in a dungeon or in the real world that you try to start a conversation with or ask them what they need help with or anything and they don't respond. No emotes, no chat, nothing. Yet they are running around doing stuff. Worst is when they go and start pulling mobs in dungeons when they aren't the tank or running off in a different direction for quest objectives as if you aren't there. It's like...well why did you even join the party or invite me? *boggled*
1. Gankers. The high levels who kills your newly created toon, and when someone talks about it on any forum, their only defense is "learn to play". Worst idiots out there. And there are many of them.
They turn AFK in the middle of a dungeon for 10 minutes without a comment. They are standing around in battlegrounds to farm honour-points. You wanted to invite somebody into your group? You posted an important question in your guild-channel? Haha, is AFK and leaves you alone in sometimes delicate situations, where you get whispers and invites from other people.
4. Ignorants:
They do not pay attention to any kind of game-mechanics. They constantly pull mobs and try to bomb them. They are damage dealers but make less damage than the tank. They never use any kind of crowd control and they ignore important mechanics of their very own class. But they want every loot that drops, of course. They do not listen to any hints you give them. And if there are wipes, they just blame the healer or the tank.
3. Arrogant tank/healer douchebags:
They know that grouping would be impossible without them, and they keep telling you that throughout the whole dungeon. They often make mistakes, but somehow find a way to always blame it on everybody else. They are patronizing and thin-skinned, which makes communicating with them a very annoying experience. In the end they provoke a senseless argument over nothing and leave the group just before the last boss.
2. PvP Cheater-Exploiters:
They know all the tricks and bugs one can abuse especially in battlegrounds. They use all of these to their advantage all the time. If it was a real life card board game I could hit them with my fist, but in an anonymous online-game everything is possible. I have played a lot of games in my life, but I have never met such an amount of cheating as in MMOs.
1. Elite raider show offs:
They are telling all the time, that MMOs are much too easy these days, that nobody knows how to play them correctly. That it was best when they had classic Naxxramas on farm-status (which was only true for 0.01% of all players, but somehow I have met thousands of players who pretend that their old raid-guilds completed Naxx and AQ40). However, they never stop playing only to just lament all day and blame everything on these evil casual-noobs, who seem to have invaded the MMO-world.
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Hehhee OP threw the first stone and now all elitists shout in choir. NOBODY of you are clean. You have mmo sins. In mmo games there are people from prisons and schools, different cultures and religions. You can expect that there are both bad and good and all between. But it is nice to be there and see all that, isn't it ? In real life some of those players would kill you or rob you. In game world you only loose some pleasure. And when you meet one nice player - wow. My biggest sin is this mute. I talked earlier to many. Mostly they were gays looking krhm company (especially in asian games), once even a real terrorist recruiting. It makes you silent. You don't know who you talk to. Female are often men and vice versa. And I'm slow in writing. So all silent or aggressive or proud elitist heroes or whatever you are - don't care. Just play and enjoy.
The Party starts to zone in, The Achiever first in. He promptly starts running down the corridor ahead of the entire group who's not totally zoned in yet, has the first pack pulled, and is wailing away with AoE's, etc.
The Group finally completes zoning in, strung out in sequence based on zone in, running for The Achiever who's in trouble, but not dead yet, mobs running every which way chasing him/her.
The Group bails The Achiever out, the pack manages to die, yet just before the last mob is dead, and prior to any recovering heals or group buffs The Achiever is already RACING to the next pack.
Rinse and repeat through the whole run.
This is great suckage in games today, that challenges are CALIBRATED to encourage this. To discourage necessary Teamwork. It's encouraged when we see event rewards tiered by DPS / Damage Done and/or with in-game reports showing "#1" as most DPS done.
The Achiever, in his mind, was "achieving". Yet he/she did so at the expense of everyone else around them. So, did they really Achieve anything?
This is what I think the poster you responded to meant, and why I think your estimation of an 'Achiever", in context with fast farming through content, isn't targeted well I think. It's not real (in the context of this convo).
In the end, if games are going to cater to feeding ez-mode farm running through stuff, instead of actually CALIBRATING challenges to require . . . actually achieving something through skill or strategy or smart tactics (instead of dumb race forward fap-spamming), it's never going to change.
The mistake that the party made here was in bailing out "the achiever." Anyone who runs off and pulls before the rest of the party zones in deserves to die, and hopefully the game has at least some level of death penalty.
Any time someone decides to unilaterally control the pace like that tends to be last in line for heals from the healer. Oh I am sorry, I was focusing on the tank. IE the one who is supposed to be getting hit by the monsters.
If people just let this kind of player die, then they would stop doing the behavior. When it rewards them with a highest DPS reward while having everyone else have a bad time, they are encouraged the other way.
Note: this assumes you are not in a rush group that has specifically said this was the style you would be using. In a dungeon on complete farm status, chain pulls are the most efficient way to handle it.
I hate people that wait for another player to pull a mob so they can get an item behind said mob.
I also hate gankers/griefers, which is why i avoid playing open world pvp games, i don't mind being level 10 and another level 10 tries to kill me, at least i have a fighting chance, but when the guy is 70 levels above me and one shots me just because he was bored or something, that just means you're a douchebag.
It all comes down to the one skill that many gamers have not yet 'trained' in and it will continue to allude them no matter how high/far they level their characters(s) -- it's the one called 'Social Etiquette'!
...and no, you won't find this in your Skills panel and you can't simply visit your trainer to acquire it.
However, although it won't necessarily help you to become that Über player you're striving to be in said game, it will help you to become Über in a much more important game - the game of life!
So my advice to all gamers is to kill people with kindness as that will take you much farther than any epic two-handed hammer of $#@%-your-face.
Show others kindness, whether in-game or in RL and watch how fast you level in terms of friends and players that want to play with you and those that want to be around you more. You may be surprised as to just how rewarding it can be.
It all comes down to the one skill that many gamers have not yet 'trained' in and it will continue to allude them no matter how high/far they level their characters(s) -- it's the one called 'Social Etiquette'!...and no, you won't find this in your Skills panel and you can't simply visit your trainer to acquire it.However, although it won't necessarily help you to become that
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Personally I never say anything to anyone when soloing in the world or in a pick up group. It's just better that way, as far too many people are ready to go down your throat to start an argument. In addition, I may already be talking to friends via whispers, or focused on something. Though it is very annoying when people expect you to respond to them -- a perfect stranger -- in a timely manner. Many don't play this game to make friends -- they have friends. We're not here to fill that void. We play with the friends we already have and try to do things by ourselves to show off to them or to help them in some way.
That said, I think something could've replaced that section. Gold sellers for one thing; perhaps even gold buyers. Those who give account access to others to give them an unfair advantage and get what they didn't earn. Griefers for sure. Possibly even those who hate the game or enjoy it too much. Though expecting someone to do something is borderline "know it all" as one thinks it's a "massive" game and a "social" experience for them, when people may already have all the social from that experience they need and can't be bothered by someone that may very well just be asking for gold or about to troll them.
The exception to this is when I'm Role Playing and someone randomly walks up. It'd be rude just to ignore them then, unless you are in a private event of sorts (or have an addon to signify such). Though I guess I could make a macro that says "Hello" to random people while listening to music or talking on skype and playing through old content. Though I'm not sure that fixes anything.
Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing). German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century. Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now). I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things). In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while. If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.
Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this. If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own. Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis. Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
It all comes down to the one skill that many gamers have not yet 'trained' in and it will continue to allude them no matter how high/far they level their characters(s) -- it's the one called 'Social Etiquette'!
...and no, you won't find this in your Skills panel and you can't simply visit your trainer to acquire it.
However, although it won't necessarily help you to become that Über player you're striving to be in said game, it will help you to become Über in a much more important game - the game of life!
So my advice to all gamers is to kill people with kindness as that will take you much farther than any epic two-handed hammer of $#@%-your-face.
Show others kindness, whether in-game or in RL and watch how fast you level in terms of friends and players that want to play with you and those that want to be around you more. You may be surprised as to just how rewarding it can be.
Just my 2 cents worth.
My mother called it showing common courtesy to others,even strangers and putting someone else's needs in front of your own. Several folks have stated it is their "right" to play the game the way they want to. LOL, of course it is their right, it's just not the right thing to do but they are too self centered to realize or agree with it. In fact, this lack is at the center of most of the bad behaviors in the OP, lack of consideration for others.
Exactly! And unfortunately this mentality is starting to carry over from the online realm into the real world.
I am a Christian and I was listening to this minister on the radio and I'll never forget this sermon he gave about if you want to be first in Heaven, you need to be a servant of others on earth.
Now I realize there are a lot of those out there that don't give two-expletives about Christianity or religion for that matter; however, I believe that those who put others first will also see rewards on earth as well, in the form of friendship and positive karma, etc.
It all comes down to the one skill that many gamers have not yet 'trained' in and it will continue to allude them no matter how high/far they level their characters(s) -- it's the one called 'Social Etiquette'!
...and no, you won't find this in your Skills panel and you can't simply visit your trainer to acquire it.
However, although it won't necessarily help you to become that Über player you're striving to be in said game, it will help you to become Über in a much more important game - the game of life!
So my advice to all gamers is to kill people with kindness as that will take you much farther than any epic two-handed hammer of $#@%-your-face.
Show others kindness, whether in-game or in RL and watch how fast you level in terms of friends and players that want to play with you and those that want to be around you more. You may be surprised as to just how rewarding it can be.
Just my 2 cents worth.
My mother called it showing common courtesy to others,even strangers and putting someone else's needs in front of your own. Several folks have stated it is their "right" to play the game the way they want to. LOL, of course it is their right, it's just not the right thing to do but they are too self centered to realize or agree with it. In fact, this lack is at the center of most of the bad behaviors in the OP, lack of consideration for others.
Exactly! And unfortunately this mentality is starting to carry over from the online realm into the real world.
I am a Christian and I was listening to this minister on the radio and I'll never forget this sermon he gave about if you want to be first in Heaven, you need to be a servant of others on earth.
Now I realize there are a lot of those out there that don't give two-expletives about Christianity or religion for that matter; however, I believe that those who put others first will also see rewards on earth as well, in the form of friendship and positive karma, etc.
Thanks for the reply!
As an atheist I would say that we are a social animal and have evolved to rely upon reciprocal relationships for our very survival. Of course in the modern western world where survival is not such an immediate concern it enables rather more selfish behaviour (and particularly online where there are few repercussions).
However, my point is that fundamentally this is the same idea; that effectively if you put yourself first at the expense of others you are likely to be treated the same way in turn.
It all comes down to the one skill that many gamers have not yet 'trained' in and it will continue to allude them no matter how high/far they level their characters(s) -- it's the one called 'Social Etiquette'!
...and no, you won't find this in your Skills panel and you can't simply visit your trainer to acquire it.
However, although it won't necessarily help you to become that Über player you're striving to be in said game, it will help you to become Über in a much more important game - the game of life!
So my advice to all gamers is to kill people with kindness as that will take you much farther than any epic two-handed hammer of $#@%-your-face.
Show others kindness, whether in-game or in RL and watch how fast you level in terms of friends and players that want to play with you and those that want to be around you more. You may be surprised as to just how rewarding it can be.
Just my 2 cents worth.
My mother called it showing common courtesy to others,even strangers and putting someone else's needs in front of your own. Several folks have stated it is their "right" to play the game the way they want to. LOL, of course it is their right, it's just not the right thing to do but they are too self centered to realize or agree with it. In fact, this lack is at the center of most of the bad behaviors in the OP, lack of consideration for others.
Exactly! And unfortunately this mentality is starting to carry over from the online realm into the real world.
I am a Christian and I was listening to this minister on the radio and I'll never forget this sermon he gave about if you want to be first in Heaven, you need to be a servant of others on earth.
Now I realize there are a lot of those out there that don't give two-expletives about Christianity or religion for that matter; however, I believe that those who put others first will also see rewards on earth as well, in the form of friendship and positive karma, etc.
Thanks for the reply!
As an atheist I would say that we are a social animal and have evolved to rely upon reciprocal relationships for our very survival. Of course in the modern western world where survival is not such an immediate concern it enables rather more selfish behaviour (and particularly online where there are few repercussions).
However, my point is that fundamentally this is the same idea; that effectively if you put yourself first at the expense of others you are likely to be treated the same way in turn.
Indeed, that is true. No matter what a person's beliefs are, we are all in this together and it benefits all of us if we make an effort to be cordial, gracious and kind to each other.
Perhaps the underlying issue may be lack of parenting from those that fail to teach their kids this all-important life-lesson...or maybe, like you implied, spoiled people that are too selfish to care to learn it.
It all comes down to the one skill that many gamers have not yet 'trained' in and it will continue to allude them no matter how high/far they level their characters(s) -- it's the one called 'Social Etiquette'!
...and no, you won't find this in your Skills panel and you can't simply visit your trainer to acquire it.
However, although it won't necessarily help you to become that Über player you're striving to be in said game, it will help you to become Über in a much more important game - the game of life!
So my advice to all gamers is to kill people with kindness as that will take you much farther than any epic two-handed hammer of $#@%-your-face.
Show others kindness, whether in-game or in RL and watch how fast you level in terms of friends and players that want to play with you and those that want to be around you more. You may be surprised as to just how rewarding it can be.
Just my 2 cents worth.
My mother called it showing common courtesy to others,even strangers and putting someone else's needs in front of your own. Several folks have stated it is their "right" to play the game the way they want to. LOL, of course it is their right, it's just not the right thing to do but they are too self centered to realize or agree with it. In fact, this lack is at the center of most of the bad behaviors in the OP, lack of consideration for others.
Yep, but that has to be balanced or you become a doormat to be taken advantage of.
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I confess to being the unresponsive type. I just don't have time to talk during a fight and some games make it easier to engage in chat than others. It's a pain to switch from "Guild" to "Zone" repeatedly. And don't get me started about the voice chat. When I'm in one zone I don't need to hear my guildmates complain about a dungeon in another area. It breaks the immersion. You can get a lot done with non-written communication.
Originally posted by Alverant I confess to being the unresponsive type. I just don't have time to talk during a fight and some games make it easier to engage in chat than others. It's a pain to switch from "Guild" to "Zone" repeatedly. And don't get me started about the voice chat. When I'm in one zone I don't need to hear my guildmates complain about a dungeon in another area. It breaks the immersion. You can get a lot done with non-written communication.
Same here. I will respond if I am just walking along and someone needs help or just making small talk. But in a fight especially running a dungeon chat is the last thing on my mind. I usually have my map up, and am trying to keep track of not only my character but my party members to make sure everyone is okay, as well as keep up with that one guy who always runs ahead of the group so we all have to run and catch up to them. Other times the chat system makes it difficult to respond immediately. Try stopping and answering a question about a mission when you have 5 zombies after you in Dead Frontier and more following every moment. Not all chat systems are as easy as hitting enter. By the time I figure out how to open chat and respond to a question as well as apologize for my delay I have already been insulted and abandoned. I consider an elitist anyone who uses the term noob on anyone but themselves. I understand these are usually people with no jobs and no life outside of the game that can hit level cap faster than anyone else with a life offscreen, and that this is their only claim to fame but do you really want to be remembered as a tyrant instead of that really cool guy who helped some new guys who died 1 minute after entering a dungeon? You remember how it was at that level but instead of helping you mock them? While parading your stats to make them feel worse. Even a tyrant needs other players around to be successful. Chase them off and you'll have to find a new game where you will once again be at the bottom of the totem pole in their shoes again. Sorry guess I am only a non-talker in-game. lol
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I hate Min/Maxers or Statjunkies or Spreadsheet Warriors, whichever you prefer to call them. The ones who have calculated all the variables and will instruct you on how you have built your character and geared them in an unoptimized fashion. This was especially heinous in FFXI with job combinations. I mean I can understand if it is your guild raid coordinator giving you friendly advice, but when it is just a random jackass calling you ignorant, screw that.
The other one I dislike is the PvPBlamer. They want to blame everyone else on the team for a losing bout and take no responsibility on themselves, even when their stats look like crap. The other type here is the Kill Counter, completely ignores PvP objectives (which usually garners more reward) in favor of just running up a kill count at the detriment or even loss to the team.
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haha, yes, the pvp blamer is irritating as hell. As soon as your team starts losing they start calling out 'bunch of noobs' to deflect attention away from their own terrible performance.
There are also many people in mmo's who simply do not understand that in competitive gameplay one team has to win and another has to lose (ignoring draws). They seem to think that every loss means their team is awful and everyone in it is a noob, rather than understanding that however well you play circumstances or tactics may just go against you.
If someone talks to you on a dungeon run and you choose to ignore him/her it may be your self appointed right to do so but you better face the consequences. It's not my intention to call you names but for the sake of discussion I need to point out in that moment from everyones else perspectiveyou are being literaly a retard. If that's how you like to be perceived, than fine you're free to do so.
And don't forget being in online environment together with other people also comes with a certain amount of responsibility. I know some never learn about it and that there's a lot of kids around but that doesn't mean it's any less important.
I agree (I am English) on an international server, anyone who cannot abide any other language is a fool.
However, a common language is often needed, and given the prevalence of English as a first or second language in so many countries it seems the natural language to choose.
Advice I ask for is welcome. Number crunchers (min/maxers) can go to hell, in my opinion. I play concepts with my characters and so many "Elitists" and "Know-It-Alls" just do not get that.
Great list, by the way. Of course, with the influx players come the influx of these player types.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Way back in the day, I was playing a character, I was minding my own business when I get a whisper saying that I'm "playing wrong". I of course, sent a whisper back "How can I play wrong, I'm playing how I want to play". They then proceeded to say that my gear was all wrong, how I was supposed to have a shield, ect...
I simply replied, I have no problem playing the game, and that the designers made options available for a reason. If they didn't want players to experiment we would simply have a template that we play instead of a tree that skills can be chosen from.
To me, it IS these 5 that ruin my fun in an mmoRPG. You play your way, I play mine, don't force your way on me, unless you want to pay for my account. then I guess I have no real problem
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Yeah, that would annoy me if I was on an international server and someone griped about not everyone speaking English. But when someone comes onto NA servers, its' really annoying when they don't speak English. I liked playing FFXI with multiple language players and that the developers put a translator into the games chat function.
Alot of people here a misunderstanding the "crickets" point, thinking that just because they don't talk that they fall into this category. What the point refers to is that bloke you party with in a dungeon or in the real world that you try to start a conversation with or ask them what they need help with or anything and they don't respond. No emotes, no chat, nothing. Yet they are running around doing stuff. Worst is when they go and start pulling mobs in dungeons when they aren't the tank or running off in a different direction for quest objectives as if you aren't there. It's like...well why did you even join the party or invite me? *boggled*
My top 2 list:
1. Gankers. The high levels who kills your newly created toon, and when someone talks about it on any forum, their only defense is "learn to play". Worst idiots out there. And there are many of them.
2. Elitists / e-peen'ers
Definitively the worst ones.
As long as you realize that you are team TRION, I'm ok with your bullshit psychology.
5. Notorious AFKers:
They turn AFK in the middle of a dungeon for 10 minutes without a comment. They are standing around in battlegrounds to farm honour-points. You wanted to invite somebody into your group? You posted an important question in your guild-channel? Haha, is AFK and leaves you alone in sometimes delicate situations, where you get whispers and invites from other people.
4. Ignorants:
They do not pay attention to any kind of game-mechanics. They constantly pull mobs and try to bomb them. They are damage dealers but make less damage than the tank. They never use any kind of crowd control and they ignore important mechanics of their very own class. But they want every loot that drops, of course. They do not listen to any hints you give them. And if there are wipes, they just blame the healer or the tank.
3. Arrogant tank/healer douchebags:
They know that grouping would be impossible without them, and they keep telling you that throughout the whole dungeon. They often make mistakes, but somehow find a way to always blame it on everybody else. They are patronizing and thin-skinned, which makes communicating with them a very annoying experience. In the end they provoke a senseless argument over nothing and leave the group just before the last boss.
2. PvP Cheater-Exploiters:
They know all the tricks and bugs one can abuse especially in battlegrounds. They use all of these to their advantage all the time. If it was a real life card board game I could hit them with my fist, but in an anonymous online-game everything is possible. I have played a lot of games in my life, but I have never met such an amount of cheating as in MMOs.
1. Elite raider show offs:
They are telling all the time, that MMOs are much too easy these days, that nobody knows how to play them correctly. That it was best when they had classic Naxxramas on farm-status (which was only true for 0.01% of all players, but somehow I have met thousands of players who pretend that their old raid-guilds completed Naxx and AQ40). However, they never stop playing only to just lament all day and blame everything on these evil casual-noobs, who seem to have invaded the MMO-world.
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Sadly it's not just kids
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The mistake that the party made here was in bailing out "the achiever." Anyone who runs off and pulls before the rest of the party zones in deserves to die, and hopefully the game has at least some level of death penalty.
Any time someone decides to unilaterally control the pace like that tends to be last in line for heals from the healer. Oh I am sorry, I was focusing on the tank. IE the one who is supposed to be getting hit by the monsters.
If people just let this kind of player die, then they would stop doing the behavior. When it rewards them with a highest DPS reward while having everyone else have a bad time, they are encouraged the other way.
Note: this assumes you are not in a rush group that has specifically said this was the style you would be using. In a dungeon on complete farm status, chain pulls are the most efficient way to handle it.
I hate people that wait for another player to pull a mob so they can get an item behind said mob.
I also hate gankers/griefers, which is why i avoid playing open world pvp games, i don't mind being level 10 and another level 10 tries to kill me, at least i have a fighting chance, but when the guy is 70 levels above me and one shots me just because he was bored or something, that just means you're a douchebag.
It all comes down to the one skill that many gamers have not yet 'trained' in and it will continue to allude them no matter how high/far they level their characters(s) -- it's the one called 'Social Etiquette'!
...and no, you won't find this in your Skills panel and you can't simply visit your trainer to acquire it.
However, although it won't necessarily help you to become that Über player you're striving to be in said game, it will help you to become Über in a much more important game - the game of life!
So my advice to all gamers is to kill people with kindness as that will take you much farther than any epic two-handed hammer of $#@%-your-face.
Show others kindness, whether in-game or in RL and watch how fast you level in terms of friends and players that want to play with you and those that want to be around you more. You may be surprised as to just how rewarding it can be.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Personally I never say anything to anyone when soloing in the world or in a pick up group. It's just better that way, as far too many people are ready to go down your throat to start an argument. In addition, I may already be talking to friends via whispers, or focused on something. Though it is very annoying when people expect you to respond to them -- a perfect stranger -- in a timely manner. Many don't play this game to make friends -- they have friends. We're not here to fill that void. We play with the friends we already have and try to do things by ourselves to show off to them or to help them in some way.
That said, I think something could've replaced that section. Gold sellers for one thing; perhaps even gold buyers. Those who give account access to others to give them an unfair advantage and get what they didn't earn. Griefers for sure. Possibly even those who hate the game or enjoy it too much. Though expecting someone to do something is borderline "know it all" as one thinks it's a "massive" game and a "social" experience for them, when people may already have all the social from that experience they need and can't be bothered by someone that may very well just be asking for gold or about to troll them.
The exception to this is when I'm Role Playing and someone randomly walks up. It'd be rude just to ignore them then, unless you are in a private event of sorts (or have an addon to signify such). Though I guess I could make a macro that says "Hello" to random people while listening to music or talking on skype and playing through old content. Though I'm not sure that fixes anything.
Exactly! And unfortunately this mentality is starting to carry over from the online realm into the real world.
I am a Christian and I was listening to this minister on the radio and I'll never forget this sermon he gave about if you want to be first in Heaven, you need to be a servant of others on earth.
Now I realize there are a lot of those out there that don't give two-expletives about Christianity or religion for that matter; however, I believe that those who put others first will also see rewards on earth as well, in the form of friendship and positive karma, etc.
Thanks for the reply!
As an atheist I would say that we are a social animal and have evolved to rely upon reciprocal relationships for our very survival. Of course in the modern western world where survival is not such an immediate concern it enables rather more selfish behaviour (and particularly online where there are few repercussions).
However, my point is that fundamentally this is the same idea; that effectively if you put yourself first at the expense of others you are likely to be treated the same way in turn.
Indeed, that is true. No matter what a person's beliefs are, we are all in this together and it benefits all of us if we make an effort to be cordial, gracious and kind to each other.
Perhaps the underlying issue may be lack of parenting from those that fail to teach their kids this all-important life-lesson...or maybe, like you implied, spoiled people that are too selfish to care to learn it.
Thanks for the reply and take care!
Yep, but that has to be balanced or you become a doormat to be taken advantage of.
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Same here. I will respond if I am just walking along and someone needs help or just making small talk. But in a fight especially running a dungeon chat is the last thing on my mind. I usually have my map up, and am trying to keep track of not only my character but my party members to make sure everyone is okay, as well as keep up with that one guy who always runs ahead of the group so we all have to run and catch up to them. Other times the chat system makes it difficult to respond immediately. Try stopping and answering a question about a mission when you have 5 zombies after you in Dead Frontier and more following every moment. Not all chat systems are as easy as hitting enter. By the time I figure out how to open chat and respond to a question as well as apologize for my delay I have already been insulted and abandoned. I consider an elitist anyone who uses the term noob on anyone but themselves. I understand these are usually people with no jobs and no life outside of the game that can hit level cap faster than anyone else with a life offscreen, and that this is their only claim to fame but do you really want to be remembered as a tyrant instead of that really cool guy who helped some new guys who died 1 minute after entering a dungeon? You remember how it was at that level but instead of helping you mock them? While parading your stats to make them feel worse. Even a tyrant needs other players around to be successful. Chase them off and you'll have to find a new game where you will once again be at the bottom of the totem pole in their shoes again. Sorry guess I am only a non-talker in-game. lol