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Gender lock still on or dropped ?

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  • JimmyYOJimmyYO Member UncommonPosts: 519

    it's a stupid decision no doubt but why is it such a deal breaker?? It basically has the best character customization known to man and a very immersive looking world. if you passed that up because of gender lock classes it's totally your loss.

     

    When almost every new game has such watered down classes it's a stretch to even call them classes it's kind of silly to make a big deal out of gender locks. Where are all the complaints for half the classes in FFXIV feeling similiar and/or watered down? But hey at least they aren't gender locked! /sarcasim

  • InporylemQQInporylemQQ Member Posts: 165
    I don't really see why every game has to be a 1:1 copy of something else I kinda like the fact that different genders of each class has a different kind of gameplay.

    ArcheAge, Black Desert and Bless videos InporylemQQ Youtube

  • ShaighShaigh Member EpicPosts: 2,150

    There are male and female versions of warrior, mage and archer, they are similar but not mirrors. The human female tamer and the male half-giant berzerker is gender exclusive (at least it looks that way). I think the people looking to play female half-giants berzerker is in the extreme minority, and I am not sure that its really bad that there are no male tamers.

     

    The reason why so many korean action-MMOs remove the gender option is so that they can put more focus on combat animations, something that actually matters a whole lot more than gender.

     

    I feel bad for all those players that really wanted to play male valkyries, female half-giants and male tamers but for all the others you are just complaining for the sake of complaining. Men and women aren't physically identical, why is it so bad that male and female warriors, mages and archers are different as well.

    Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
  • ZebladeZeblade Member UncommonPosts: 931
    Yeah they are more in to looks and grind. They love to work at what they want. So killing 10-20 to like Elder Scrolls and kill 2-5..
  • doragon86doragon86 Member UncommonPosts: 589
    As long as the gameplay is top notch, I can live with gender locks. 

    "For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
    And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed:
    And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
    And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!"
    ~Lord George Gordon Byron

  • TheReDKinGXXTheReDKinGXX Member Posts: 4
    Originally posted by AceMaster

    i don't get what the fuss is about..

    They did say they will have both female and male version variants for the same class.

    Even if they play different they will probably have shared skills, etc, otherwise it won be same class.

    From a guess, i would think 80-90% of skills will be the same. Even if theyr skill names will be diffrent, they should perform similar or the same way , no?

    The only problem i see if  they split them. Forr example fire mages are male, and watter mages are females. Which i agree, i wouldn't like.

     

    I actualy like the idea that a female archer will play different than a male archer.

    In most. games, both female and male have same strengths, wear same armor (i can trade me armor which i wear as a female to a male character, and the male version has way more covarage lol) which is quite funny and it's not roleplaying

     

    If you guys watch game of thrones,  in my opinion, for female to play equaly they would have to look like "Brienne of Tarth"

    Well basically , more man like. Which i wouldn't like.

    In one game, a guy was complaining in the forum, thats males can get + 1 to swordplay, while females could get + 1 sewing .I laughed so hard.the difference wasn't that big, it meant you had to work extra as a female to be better than a male in swordplay.

    I'm not biased or anything, but females and males are DIFFERENT. If not everyone one of us would be gay lol.

    Most games however ignore this, and thus you got used with it.

     

    Chears

     

    couldnt agree more really :) 

     

    that sums out about every single thing :) 

  • v_Vev_Ve Member UncommonPosts: 312
    What you people keep leaving out >.>, is that the game is race locked as well >.>. BDO locks 3 core aspects that make a MMORPG which are race, gender and class >.>. That makes no freaking sense considering that  it is suppose to be a MMORPG, but it makes your character for you -_-. I and many others are not interested in just being a number in a sea of clones >.>, which will undoubtedly happen in BDO. BDO's design is very lazy, as someone stated earlier. BDO should be taking tips form BLESS tbh >........> now that is a true MMORPG. 

    Witty & Wicked >:)

  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Guess it could feed into RP and lore having similarities between male/female classes but having them play slightly different. Main reasons some companies gender lock (from what I read from companies that say they do it) is that its easier to replicate toons for larger scale battles. Companies could just be full of it, but since they are smaller scale, it is logical that gender lock would lower processing power in large scale pvp.

    Edit: I wouldn't discriminate against the game just because it is gender locked. Hell, Path of Exile is gender locked and its a pretty awesome game. I just think people care more about open world vs gender selection.
  • PigozzPigozz Member UncommonPosts: 886
    Originally posted by dreamscaper
    Wow, so much fuss over a complete non-issue.

    Exactly

    If anything it makes more sense that men and women use different moves anyway..

    Next time people will b**** about lack of blue hair color..

    I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them

  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Originally posted by VveV

    What you people keep leaving out >.>, is that the game is race locked as well >.>. BDO locks 3 core aspects that make a MMORPG which are race, gender and class >.>. That makes no freaking sense considering that  it is suppose to be a MMORPG, but it makes your character for you -_-. I and many others are not interested in just being a number in a sea of clones >.>, which will undoubtedly happen in BDO. BDO's design is very lazy, as someone stated earlier. BDO should be taking tips form BLESS tbh >........> now that is a true MMORPG. 

     

    Um Wow has race locked classes incase you didn't know....Just saying, race lock doesn't really matter if other elements are good like character customization and open world potential (More games need flying).
  • v_Vev_Ve Member UncommonPosts: 312
    Originally posted by Albatroes
    Originally posted by VveV
    What you people keep leaving out >.>, is that the game is race locked as well >.>. BDO locks 3 core aspects that make a MMORPG which are race, gender and class >.>. That makes no freaking sense considering that  it is suppose to be a MMORPG, but it makes your character for you -_-. I and many others are not interested in just being a number in a sea of clones >.>, which will undoubtedly happen in BDO. BDO's design is very lazy, as someone stated earlier. BDO should be taking tips form BLESS tbh >........> now that is a true MMORPG. 

     

    Um Wow has race locked classes incase you didn't know....Just saying, race lock doesn't really matter if other elements are good like character customization and open world potential (More games need flying).

    Yea WoW has a race lock... but each race from the launch of the game could be 5 different classes >.>. The races can be even more classes now with all of the X-pacs. WoW's race lock makes sense, BDO's does not. In BDO if you want to be a elf the only class you are able to play is ranger <.<. Elfs cannot become anything else. Keep in mind this might change when they come out with their Tamer changes, but thats guessing >.>. But not only does the game lock your race, class and gender it locks how you can customize your character. The link i will provide below shows that if you want to be a Wizard you have to be old. Meaning every wizard in the game is going to be a variation of Gandalf. This goes for every class as well, all Sorcs have to be young females, all Warriors have to look like they are around 20.This just goes back to my point of a player who plays BDO is just a number in a sea of clones >.>. BDO claims to be a MMORPG yet it limits 95% of what a RPG is by making your character for you....

     

    opps and here is the link to the proof of restriction of class CC:

    http://2p.com/511c936561fcf3436f8de66b_1/Black-Desert-Shared-More-Details-about-New-Class-Wizard.htm

    Witty & Wicked >:)

  • v_Vev_Ve Member UncommonPosts: 312
    Originally posted by ikcin
    You are wrong, and right too :) In fact classes are not age locked, so wizard can be young. But yes, classes are gender locked, race locked and in fact weapon locked. About clone wars you are totally wrong. And Bless is temepark with tab target.

    Did you look at the article that i provided? The developer already stated you cannot make a young wizard >.>. All Wizard have to be old etc, how is that not age locked <.

    Regarding your BLESS comment, um no BLESS is a Sandbox. It even offers way more pvp than BDO when it comes to a MMORPG in general. BLESS actually had a combat revamped, but even before that the close range classes used free targeting. 

    Witty & Wicked >:)

  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662

    Uhm the classes are "gender locked" but there will be 2 versions of each class one for male and another for female.

    Only few specific classes are gender locked.


  • v_Vev_Ve Member UncommonPosts: 312
    Originally posted by Bloodaxes

    Uhm the classes are "gender locked" but there will be 2 versions of each class one for male and another for female.

    Only few specific classes are gender locked.

     While i see your point, the fact that the classes play differently mean they, are indeed, different classes. If the classes were mirrored or even slightly similar in game-play, then what you stated would be true. But as we have already found out, a Wizard is going to play completely different from a Sorc etc etc.

    Witty & Wicked >:)

  • ThorkuneThorkune Member UncommonPosts: 1,969

    I don't care how good a game is if it has a gender lock in place, I will not play the game. I have not and will not play a female character. pixel women do nothing for me. I play mmo's to get away from the real world to be an epic GUY in a game. I have never wanted to be an epic GIRL.

    /2cents 

  • v_Vev_Ve Member UncommonPosts: 312
    Originally posted by ikcin

    I saw your link, the information is old and wrong. As I played the game myself, I can tell the character editor is the best ever created. You can make old, young, thin, fat, every kind of character you can imagine. In fact you can make perfect copy of yourself, or any other person, it is amazing.  In addition you can dye every armor as you want.

    And Bless is a clean temepark with tab targeting combat, it is very close to Lineage 2 in fact, if BDO fails, maybe I will play Bless, but now BDO is far better. Of course greedy publishers and noob players may ruin every game.

    So then i can make a elf sorcercer?.... ya no >.>

    I have seen this point before, while any kind of dye system is nice, it wont be enough to change the fact that there will be clones. The Sorc to the left will just be in a blue jacket while the one to the right will be in a red one >..>.

    The games old combat system was mixed. The ranged classes used to be all tab target and the melee's were action target. They have already stated that they are revamping the combat system so all classes will have both tab target and action aiming skills. BLESS's devs are extremely good with trying to satisfy multiple play-styles. Unlike a other certain MMO that makes your character for you >.>  (BDO)

    How is BDO better when BLESS offers more (in-depth) features? At that point the only reason to get BDO is personal preference (which is fine ofc) and not because it is "better". Facts are facts :].

    Witty & Wicked >:)

  • BlaedusBlaedus Member UncommonPosts: 100
    Thankfully, the gender-lock doesn't affect me. I like to use swords and shields, so I would roll a Warrior anyway. I like the play style of the Warrior but if Valkyrie has a more interesting one, I wouldn't have much problem with her as she also has a sword and shield (I think she can even have a BFS!).

    That being said, I fully believe that the classes are in fact gender-locked. All the shouts of "There's two versions of most classes" can't erase the fact that if a person loved the play style of one version and disliked the other, but disliked the gender of the play style they liked and liked the gender of the play style they didn't like, and can't change anything, then their choices are taken away from them.

    Say, for example, I'm a girl who likes the Wizard's play style but don't want to play as a man. What am I to do? Play as the Sorceress? But I don't like the style of the Sorceress, I like playing keep away and using Crowd Control AoEs! The Sorceress is more in-your-face with not many AoEs (I personally haven't seen many, and I look at more than just Steparu's videos). I don't like Valkyrie or the female Archer (I like how the Archer is the same name for both genders...), so I'm shit outta luck.

    Or what if I'm a guy. I finally see a refreshing take on magic with the Sorceress. Tired of using weapons all the time, I decide to change things up... But I have to play as a girl... No, I want to actually BE my character, feel immersed in the game. How am I to do that if I'm playing a gender that I'm not? And if I wanna be the Wizard, I have to be old? I want my character to look just like me! What am I to do?

    Or flip the scenarios. I'm either gender but I love playing as the opposite gender (for whatever reason) and the only class, the only play style, I like is my own real gender. What am I to do?

    Personally, I'm alright playing as a girl. I might gripe, but if I like a game, gender-lock wouldn't stop me playing (but I don't wanna be hit on by hormone-crazed boys asking "Are you really a girl?"). However, I can see how the issue would annoy the Hell outta people. And I hope to God players don't have to be old if they choose the Wizard. That didn't make much sense to me when I saw someone say it (too lazy to go check who) as you can indeed make other classes look old. Why would the Wizard be the only one "age-locked"? And yes, the classes are also race-locked. I would definitely choose an Elf Warrior if it wasn't. As such, I'm stuck with a Human Warrior, not actually a problem but my choice WAS limited.

    And that's the only problemn (albeit, small) I see with BDO. Even with its eye-bleedingly amazing Character Creation, it still limits some choices in regards to what you can actually play as. It would make sense if there was a story-based reason for the locks so in a sense you really are playing a "role". But no reason has been revealed, and with this being an sandbox oriented game, shouldn't players be able to choose such a small thing? There in lies the reason for the "WTF LOCKS?!" reaction some people have when they realize their choice is being taken away.
  • AmateAmate Member Posts: 88
    Originally posted by VveV
     BDO should be taking tips form BLESS tbh >........> now that is a true MMORPG. 

    Bless, the game that had so much negative feedback from its first CBT that they had to reboot the project? I am damn glad BDO isn't following tips from that game.

    Aside from that, Bless is not a sandbox at all, and doesn't have as advanced features as BDO (economy, open world PvP, etc..). It is merely a RvR theme park very close to Aion but with upgraded graphics.

    I understand if you like games like that, but don't label Bless as something it is not.

  • v_Vev_Ve Member UncommonPosts: 312
    Originally posted by Amate
    Originally posted by VveV
     BDO should be taking tips form BLESS tbh >........> now that is a true MMORPG. 

    Bless, the game that had so much negative feedback from its first CBT that they had to reboot the project? I am damn glad BDO isn't following tips from that game.

    Aside from that, Bless is not a sandbox at all, and doesn't have as advanced features as BDO (economy, open world PvP, etc..). It is merely a RvR theme park very close to Aion but with upgraded graphics.

    I understand if you like games like that, but don't label Bless as something it is not.

    Yes it did, this goes back to my comment about the Dev actually doing their job by listening to their players. The link (below) shows that they took that cbt and have learned from it. The BDO devs are very lacking when it comes to even listening a tiny bit to their player-base. Keep in mind, listening to your player-base does not mean the will become a care-bear world. It means the dev actually consider their consumers people >.>.

    Here is a link with some of PA's lacking responses...

    http://www.blackdeserthq.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3376528

    The game is indeed a sandbox and is going to be focused on pvp. Just because its going to have a very in-depth story-line does not make it any-less sandboxie XD.

    I too hate false advertisement, it one of the reasons im even on BDO's forum. To say your game is a MMORPG  and then put the kind of limits it has on a persons character is lying.

    Witty & Wicked >:)

  • raggnirraggnir Member UncommonPosts: 51
    i totally agree, i just can't understand why there would be a gender lock in a sandbox game!
  • v_Vev_Ve Member UncommonPosts: 312
    Originally posted by raggnir
    i totally agree, i just can't understand why there would be a gender lock in a sandbox game!

    ^ #Truth

    Witty & Wicked >:)

  • AmateAmate Member Posts: 88
    Originally posted by VveV

    The game is indeed a sandbox and is going to be focused on pvp. Just because its going to have a very in-depth story-line does not make it any-less sandboxie XD.

    I too hate false advertisement, it one of the reasons im even on BDO's forum. To say your game is a MMORPG  and then put the kind of limits it has on a persons character is lying.

    You hate false advertisement yet that's all you are doing on this board. Bless IS NOT A SANDBOX. Having a seamless world DOES NOT mean the game is a sandbox. Yes it is a required feature for a sandbox game, but is not the only thing you need. A lot of theme parks also have seamless worlds. WoW for example. Yet it is not a sandbox. Please educate yourself and go search what a sandbox game means before you use the word.

    Bless is a game focused on RVR PvP, BDO is focused around GvG. These are 2 complete different style of PvP, and a game cannot be both RvR and sandbox because factions are a limitation to interactions.

    Also, having gender and race lock has nothing to do with it being RPG or not. That's actually so stupid to say. RPGs are simply a genre with specific features such as Levels, experience, skills, classes. Nothing to do with being gender lock or not, in fact a lot of older RPGs had gender or race locks of some sort. That doesn't make them less of an RPG.

  • v_Vev_Ve Member UncommonPosts: 312
    Originally posted by Amate
    Originally posted by VveV

    The game is indeed a sandbox and is going to be focused on pvp. Just because its going to have a very in-depth story-line does not make it any-less sandboxie XD.

    I too hate false advertisement, it one of the reasons im even on BDO's forum. To say your game is a MMORPG  and then put the kind of limits it has on a persons character is lying.

    You hate false advertisement yet that's all you are doing on this board. Bless IS NOT A SANDBOX. Having a seamless world DOES NOT mean the game is a sandbox. Yes it is a required feature for a sandbox game, but is not the only thing you need. A lot of theme parks also have seamless worlds. WoW or FF14 for example. Yet those games are not sandboxes.

    Please go search what a sandbox game means before you use the word. It has nothing to do with storyline either, and in fact BDO doesn't focus on story that much.

     

    Bless is a game focused on RVR PvP, BDO is focused around GvG. These are 2 complete different style of PvP, and a game cannot be both RvR and sandbox because factions are a limitation.

    Also, having gender and race lock has nothing to do with it being RPG or not. That's actually so stupid to say. RPGs are simply a genre with specific features such as Levels, experience, skills, classes. Nothing to do with being gender lock or not, in fact a lot of older RPGs had gender or race locks of some sort. That doesn't make them less of an RPG.

    The reason I linked the seamless world video was just because a seamless world is one aspect that people look for in a sandbox.

    When they state RvR they mean FvF, as they meant with games like Aion and so forth. Also GvG is just more organized than RvR anyway.

    "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

                                                                                               ~George Santayana

     

    Witty & Wicked >:)

  • jacker1991jacker1991 Member UncommonPosts: 191

    Big gender lock fan here.

    Gets rid of the people that won't play a game because of it. :D

  • AmateAmate Member Posts: 88
    Originally posted by VveV

    The reason I linked the seamless world video was just because a seamless world is one aspect that people look for in a sandbox.

    When they state RvR they mean FvF, as they meant with games like Aion and so forth. Also GvG is just more organized than RvR anyway.

    "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

                                                                                               ~George Santayana

    I know exactly what they mean with RvR, I read korean and have played betas. Doesn't change anything I have said. Are you gonna try to tell me Aion is a sandbox game too?

    Call it FvF or RvR, factions are still a limitation to players interactions, and the mark of a theme park. Coupled to the fact that Bless has a linear progression, with quests, and no other interactions with the game world or social interactions. All the content you have is quest, instances or sieges. And sieges wasn't even in CBT1.

    Meanwhile BDO has fishing, taming, breeding, milking, housing, advanced craft, advanced trading with localised resources and auction houses, open PvP with a karma system, NPC relationship system where you can befriend NPC for benefits, a knowledge system where you can gather knowledge about the game in a wiki menu, castle siege, and much much more....

    So please...

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