Free to play sucks salty gonads. Every game that goes F2P instantly loses respect in my book. The last F2P model I tried was SWTOR and I literally wanted to vomit on my keyboard. Didn't last any longer then 30 min before I uninstalled that crap.
If ESO online goes F2P then I'm scratching it off my list of future MMO's to possibly dabble in (currently playing FFIVARR atm) and it also loses a lot of respect from me. I just don't have any respect for a AAA mmo going F2P with cash-shops. No thank you. Cash shops are the biggest fucking immersion breaker to ever hit the MMO scene and it sucks gigantic donkey balls. I want to pay a sub and have access to all content and be on the same playing field as all other subbers. That is the best way to play and experience an MMO. No amount of cash-shops or weird gimmicks will ever beat that experience.
People thinking going F2P will increase players, and yes it will, but you increase lower-quality of players in trade for people that actually want to stick around for the long haul. F2P games turn into a revolving door of "just checking it out" players that never seem to stick around anyways. You gain some, you lose some. You lose out on the quality players but gain abunch of asshats that are willing to drop 100 bucks on vanity items because an MMO to them is just how flashy your stupid mount or sword looks. Such a shame.
The age old excuse of "I cant justify 15$ of months for a game" is just fucking bullshit on so many levels. If you can't find 15 dollars in your budget for a game that will provide hours of entertainment, your finances are seriously fucked or your just really stupid with math. I find most people that say "I cant afford it" are the same people that drop 25$ of a large pizza at round table, or buy 15 bucks worth of booze or w/e and then say "oh 15 dollars for a sub, geez that steep" w/e, your just a cheap bastard and a sorry gaming loser that is driving the MMO industry into the dirt. ESO is a mature game, with a long standing lore and it deserves a more mature, dignified treatment. Not this "ZOMG FREE FOR EVERYONE YAAAAYZZZ CASH-SHOPS@!!" bullshit. Oh well, it just where the industry is going. YAY....
I enjoy undercutting people in the market place - it's the only PvP a crafter gets.
I think most developers/publishers make the games already with a F2P model in mind, and just cash in on the people who subscribe in the first months/year. Let's face it, monthly subscription fees are a dying model, especially in this day and age, where the economy is going down the drains and with so many quality F2P games on the market right now, if you have little spending money why would you use it on a game that offers you the exact same thing as a free one, only with a different coat of paint?
I have nothing against paying subscribers, but if you're totally against the F2P model, then you're just that "F2P player trash" hating snob douchebag that exists in every MMO.
Meh - ESO, as a modern MMO, is kind of a joke compared to the upcoming Archage. ESO seems geared towards forcing slow progression for whatever reason, and holding on to old game design tricks to keep the player on the hampster wheel while also failing to progress the genre (but maintaining a grip on our pocketbooks). Through only 3 beta weekends my wife and I feel Archage has nailed that spirit of Skyrim better than Elder Scrolls Online, while also progressing the genre and doing it all for free. Mounts for free at level 8?!?!?!?! Fast travel options from level 5?!?!?! I can haz land?!?!?! I can adventure and sail the seas, create a farm, build a house, make my own weapons and gear, raid with my friends, do PVP and also do all the regular PVE question that any MMO has? And I can do this all for free (yes Archage has a cash shop but its a good one)????? Say it isn't so...
Personally, rather than pay $60 for ESO and then $15 a month, I would gladly rather give my money to the Archage cash shop where I can pick and choose where to spend my money - on the features in game that I WANT to use. Personally, I think ESO is a typical SWTOR all over again - writing was on the wall before they even launched as you could tell in Beta it was going to be another attempt to copy the success of WOW without actually putting any effort into make the experience better or advancing the genre (IMO they actually took a step back with their shitty compass, no quest objective lit path and many other missing features typical to a modern MMO). People can say its a matter of preference - what I see is ESO as a high budget failed B movie (there is quality here and there but its too painful finding/waiting for those moments) and Archage as a Guardians of the Galaxy - high production quality thats easily accessible and pushes the genre it rests in while also being highly entertaining and open to interpretation (allow players to play their way and discover their own version of fun in the product).
Meh - ESO, as a modern MMO, is kind of a joke compared to the upcoming Archage. ESO seems geared towards forcing slow progression for whatever reason, and holding on to old game design tricks to keep the player on the hampster wheel while also failing to progress the genre (but maintaining a grip on our pocketbooks). Through only 3 beta weekends my wife and I feel Archage has nailed that spirit of Skyrim better than Elder Scrolls Online, while also progressing the genre and doing it all for free. Mounts for free at level 8?!?!?!?! Fast travel options from level 5?!?!?! I can haz land?!?!?! I can adventure and sail the seas, create a farm, build a house, make my own weapons and gear, raid with my friends, do PVP and also do all the regular PVE question that any MMO has? And I can do this all for free (yes Archage has a cash shop but its a good one)????? Say it isn't so...
Personally, rather than pay $60 for ESO and then $15 a month, I would gladly rather give my money to the Archage cash shop where I can pick and choose where to spend my money - on the features in game that I WANT to use. Personally, I think ESO is a typical SWTOR all over again - writing was on the wall before they even launched as you could tell in Beta it was going to be another attempt to copy the success of WOW without actually putting any effort into make the experience better or advancing the genre (IMO they actually took a step back with their shitty compass, no quest objective lit path and many other missing features typical to a modern MMO). People can say its a matter of preference - what I see is ESO as a high budget failed B movie (there is quality here and there but its too painful finding/waiting for those moments) and Archage as a Guardians of the Galaxy - high production quality thats easily accessible and pushes the genre it rests in while also being highly entertaining and open to interpretation (allow players to play their way and discover their own version of fun in the product).
Agree 100%
Currently i m playing WS and i m paying with CREDD (in game gold). For me after almost 15 years of paying subs for mmo's f2p (or at least b2p) is the way to go. I m planning to play AA too (not a huge fan but hey its f2p and who knows, maybe i ll love it) and i think spending my money where I WANT is the key.
I think there are too many descent mmo's in the market anymore (and more are coming), so asking for a sub is too much, considering you pay for the box too. SWTOR / Rift / WS (using CREDD) / EvE (using PLEX) / AA / GW2 are more than enough to feed my mmo hunger.
So by playing f2p mmo's i can save money and buy other games like Dragon Age Inquisition or other quality titles.
All Time Favorites: EQ1, WoW, EvE, GW1 Playing Now: WoW, ESO, GW2
Meh - ESO, as a modern MMO, is kind of a joke compared to the upcoming Archage. ESO seems geared towards forcing slow progression for whatever reason, and holding on to old game design tricks to keep the player on the hampster wheel while also failing to progress the genre (but maintaining a grip on our pocketbooks). Through only 3 beta weekends my wife and I feel Archage has nailed that spirit of Skyrim better than Elder Scrolls Online, while also progressing the genre and doing it all for free. Mounts for free at level 8?!?!?!?! Fast travel options from level 5?!?!?! I can haz land?!?!?! I can adventure and sail the seas, create a farm, build a house, make my own weapons and gear, raid with my friends, do PVP and also do all the regular PVE question that any MMO has? And I can do this all for free (yes Archage has a cash shop but its a good one)????? Say it isn't so...
Personally, rather than pay $60 for ESO and then $15 a month, I would gladly rather give my money to the Archage cash shop where I can pick and choose where to spend my money - on the features in game that I WANT to use. Personally, I think ESO is a typical SWTOR all over again - writing was on the wall before they even launched as you could tell in Beta it was going to be another attempt to copy the success of WOW without actually putting any effort into make the experience better or advancing the genre (IMO they actually took a step back with their shitty compass, no quest objective lit path and many other missing features typical to a modern MMO). People can say its a matter of preference - what I see is ESO as a high budget failed B movie (there is quality here and there but its too painful finding/waiting for those moments) and Archage as a Guardians of the Galaxy - high production quality thats easily accessible and pushes the genre it rests in while also being highly entertaining and open to interpretation (allow players to play their way and discover their own version of fun in the product).
Agree 100%
Currently i m playing WS and i m paying with CREDD (in game gold). For me after almost 15 years of paying subs for mmo's f2p (or at least b2p) is the way to go. I m planning to play AA too (not a huge fan but hey its f2p and who knows, maybe i ll love it) and i think spending my money where I WANT is the key.
I think there are too many descent mmo's in the market anymore (and more are coming), so asking for a sub is too much, considering you pay for the box too. SWTOR / Rift / WS (using CREDD) / EvE (using PLEX) / AA / GW2 are more than enough to feed my mmo hunger.
So by playing f2p mmo's i can save money and buy other games like Dragon Age Inquisition or other quality titles.
Play Archeage dude, ESO was D.O.A.
And to the trolls who wanna call Archeage a P2W game, you clearly have never played it. So do everyone a favor and go back to your caves, trolls.
Im so in if it went b2p or f2p like lotro or sto where its ACTUALLY free.I like spending a few buck in f2p games but i hate that alot of them make the f2p players feel punished.
Archeage if the type of game TESO should have been . A sand box go anywhere do anything type of game . Once thats out if you liked the single player Elder Scrolls games I would strongly suggest you try it .
As for TESO itself I think all games with such a linear nature should be buy to play . Just charge for DLCs like TSW does . I might go back and play a bit every now and then if that happened .
The reason I didnt subscribe was because of how the mega server phasing worked . I seemed to always be on solo quests with at least 10 other people which made them too easy and ruined any kind of immersion and I found the lack of an auction house cumbersome . I could over look them if it was a one off payment .
Also the existence of a cash shop on top of a subscription really put me off .
Why does it depend on a console release? The servers arent even the same, so your saying that its beyond anything to make the console F2P, and the PC Pay 2 Play? I dont see why Dark Fall in the USA is pay 2 play, and is free 2 play in asia.
As for the thought that pay 2 play cant be done for consoles, that is wrong. You make it sound like people with consoles are like another whole different people from people who own computers lol. They got their own different culture too? Based on owning a console vs owning a pc, they just are whole different person who will kill anything that says 15 dollars a month.
Lets see if i can find anything on final fantasy console sales. I couldent, but that game from the small amount i could find, did fine staying p2p on the console.
I am not sure why ESO isnt making console and pc on the same server though, it would just be better, but....;
As an ESO player I would not like to see it go F2P. The subscription model is a hard one to sell corporately but is better for players. To many games try to be something for everyone, that is what F2P games do. However in doing so they water down what they are.
Instead of being a game for everyone be a game for a set target and nail it. Sure you will not get as many numbers of raw player activity but the base you get will be solid.
As for the little section at the end I 100% agree that worrying about loyalty is the priority companies should focus on. I understand wanting to expand sales but sale numbers where are margins are cut razor thin are not the answer, they are a short term fix at best. A Band-Aid on an open wound. If you have a loyal base that feels you actually CARE about that base it will spread the word. As that word spreads, even with a higher cost of entry, people will come to you because they WANT a company that supports loyalty.
I see no evidence that ESO will become F2P, at least not anytime soon. The F2P model would surely introduce more griefers than those already griefing that it's a subscription.
As for me, I'm willing to continue my subscription almost indefinitely at this point. No complaints from me. Keep the riff raff out!
Originally posted by Channce what is the fascination of this game going f2p? it isn't going to happen.
I wondered that myself. People keep raging on this debate because they refuse to accept it's subscription and refuse to pay.
Go somewhere else if you don't like ESO! There are lots of F2P out there. Why grief on a game that isn't going to change their subscription model? Get over it. Move on.
"This is something that always bugged me about World of Warcraft. I took a break from WoW and when I returned I was so far behind on the treadmill that I thought I would never be able to catch up and experience the new content before the next content is released."
I've taken huge breaks from WoW myself in the recent years since the end of WotLK. The catching up has been dumbed down for casual play so badly, it only takes a day or two to catch up and gear up in full epics.
And if you make that a complaint that you can't put in that short amount of time into MMORPG's, you might be playing the wrong types of games bro.
I'm back at eso and I'm loving it. After playing AA I just couldn't go back to such a traditional game. ESO is so streamlined and smooth from it's mechanics/control/UI. I do think PVP needs serious work though.
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Free to play sucks salty gonads. Every game that goes F2P instantly loses respect in my book. The last F2P model I tried was SWTOR and I literally wanted to vomit on my keyboard. Didn't last any longer then 30 min before I uninstalled that crap.
If ESO online goes F2P then I'm scratching it off my list of future MMO's to possibly dabble in (currently playing FFIVARR atm) and it also loses a lot of respect from me. I just don't have any respect for a AAA mmo going F2P with cash-shops. No thank you. Cash shops are the biggest fucking immersion breaker to ever hit the MMO scene and it sucks gigantic donkey balls. I want to pay a sub and have access to all content and be on the same playing field as all other subbers. That is the best way to play and experience an MMO. No amount of cash-shops or weird gimmicks will ever beat that experience.
People thinking going F2P will increase players, and yes it will, but you increase lower-quality of players in trade for people that actually want to stick around for the long haul. F2P games turn into a revolving door of "just checking it out" players that never seem to stick around anyways. You gain some, you lose some. You lose out on the quality players but gain abunch of asshats that are willing to drop 100 bucks on vanity items because an MMO to them is just how flashy your stupid mount or sword looks. Such a shame.
The age old excuse of "I cant justify 15$ of months for a game" is just fucking bullshit on so many levels. If you can't find 15 dollars in your budget for a game that will provide hours of entertainment, your finances are seriously fucked or your just really stupid with math. I find most people that say "I cant afford it" are the same people that drop 25$ of a large pizza at round table, or buy 15 bucks worth of booze or w/e and then say "oh 15 dollars for a sub, geez that steep" w/e, your just a cheap bastard and a sorry gaming loser that is driving the MMO industry into the dirt. ESO is a mature game, with a long standing lore and it deserves a more mature, dignified treatment. Not this "ZOMG FREE FOR EVERYONE YAAAAYZZZ CASH-SHOPS@!!" bullshit. Oh well, it just where the industry is going. YAY....
I enjoy undercutting people in the market place - it's the only PvP a crafter gets.
I love how people are claiming "clickbait" and "flamebait."
Time will tell and we need a paygate...if even to keep some of these commentors out of our games.
I think most developers/publishers make the games already with a F2P model in mind, and just cash in on the people who subscribe in the first months/year. Let's face it, monthly subscription fees are a dying model, especially in this day and age, where the economy is going down the drains and with so many quality F2P games on the market right now, if you have little spending money why would you use it on a game that offers you the exact same thing as a free one, only with a different coat of paint?
I have nothing against paying subscribers, but if you're totally against the F2P model, then you're just that "F2P player trash" hating snob douchebag that exists in every MMO.
Reading some of the posts, I'd think "flamebait" works.
Meh - ESO, as a modern MMO, is kind of a joke compared to the upcoming Archage. ESO seems geared towards forcing slow progression for whatever reason, and holding on to old game design tricks to keep the player on the hampster wheel while also failing to progress the genre (but maintaining a grip on our pocketbooks). Through only 3 beta weekends my wife and I feel Archage has nailed that spirit of Skyrim better than Elder Scrolls Online, while also progressing the genre and doing it all for free. Mounts for free at level 8?!?!?!?! Fast travel options from level 5?!?!?! I can haz land?!?!?! I can adventure and sail the seas, create a farm, build a house, make my own weapons and gear, raid with my friends, do PVP and also do all the regular PVE question that any MMO has? And I can do this all for free (yes Archage has a cash shop but its a good one)????? Say it isn't so...
Personally, rather than pay $60 for ESO and then $15 a month, I would gladly rather give my money to the Archage cash shop where I can pick and choose where to spend my money - on the features in game that I WANT to use. Personally, I think ESO is a typical SWTOR all over again - writing was on the wall before they even launched as you could tell in Beta it was going to be another attempt to copy the success of WOW without actually putting any effort into make the experience better or advancing the genre (IMO they actually took a step back with their shitty compass, no quest objective lit path and many other missing features typical to a modern MMO). People can say its a matter of preference - what I see is ESO as a high budget failed B movie (there is quality here and there but its too painful finding/waiting for those moments) and Archage as a Guardians of the Galaxy - high production quality thats easily accessible and pushes the genre it rests in while also being highly entertaining and open to interpretation (allow players to play their way and discover their own version of fun in the product).
Agree 100%
Currently i m playing WS and i m paying with CREDD (in game gold). For me after almost 15 years of paying subs for mmo's f2p (or at least b2p) is the way to go. I m planning to play AA too (not a huge fan but hey its f2p and who knows, maybe i ll love it) and i think spending my money where I WANT is the key.
I think there are too many descent mmo's in the market anymore (and more are coming), so asking for a sub is too much, considering you pay for the box too. SWTOR / Rift / WS (using CREDD) / EvE (using PLEX) / AA / GW2 are more than enough to feed my mmo hunger.
So by playing f2p mmo's i can save money and buy other games like Dragon Age Inquisition or other quality titles.
All Time Favorites: EQ1, WoW, EvE, GW1
Playing Now: WoW, ESO, GW2
Play Archeage dude, ESO was D.O.A.
And to the trolls who wanna call Archeage a P2W game, you clearly have never played it. So do everyone a favor and go back to your caves, trolls.
Yes please if you want f2p, cash shops, cash to gold conversion, etc., please play Arche Age or Wildstar. No need to play ESO.
Everyone is happy now. Something for everyone out there
Archeage if the type of game TESO should have been . A sand box go anywhere do anything type of game . Once thats out if you liked the single player Elder Scrolls games I would strongly suggest you try it .
As for TESO itself I think all games with such a linear nature should be buy to play . Just charge for DLCs like TSW does . I might go back and play a bit every now and then if that happened .
The reason I didnt subscribe was because of how the mega server phasing worked . I seemed to always be on solo quests with at least 10 other people which made them too easy and ruined any kind of immersion and I found the lack of an auction house cumbersome . I could over look them if it was a one off payment .
Also the existence of a cash shop on top of a subscription really put me off .
Apart from Zenimax if their profits arn't large enough due to a low subscription base
Why does it depend on a console release? The servers arent even the same, so your saying that its beyond anything to make the console F2P, and the PC Pay 2 Play? I dont see why Dark Fall in the USA is pay 2 play, and is free 2 play in asia.
As for the thought that pay 2 play cant be done for consoles, that is wrong. You make it sound like people with consoles are like another whole different people from people who own computers lol. They got their own different culture too? Based on owning a console vs owning a pc, they just are whole different person who will kill anything that says 15 dollars a month.
Lets see if i can find anything on final fantasy console sales. I couldent, but that game from the small amount i could find, did fine staying p2p on the console.
I am not sure why ESO isnt making console and pc on the same server though, it would just be better, but....;
As an ESO player I would not like to see it go F2P. The subscription model is a hard one to sell corporately but is better for players. To many games try to be something for everyone, that is what F2P games do. However in doing so they water down what they are.
Instead of being a game for everyone be a game for a set target and nail it. Sure you will not get as many numbers of raw player activity but the base you get will be solid.
As for the little section at the end I 100% agree that worrying about loyalty is the priority companies should focus on. I understand wanting to expand sales but sale numbers where are margins are cut razor thin are not the answer, they are a short term fix at best. A Band-Aid on an open wound. If you have a loyal base that feels you actually CARE about that base it will spread the word. As that word spreads, even with a higher cost of entry, people will come to you because they WANT a company that supports loyalty.
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I have a soap box and I am not afraid to use it.
Because stuff that is better for customers sells hard, right?
Wonders of forum poster logic, or the lack of....
I see no evidence that ESO will become F2P, at least not anytime soon. The F2P model would surely introduce more griefers than those already griefing that it's a subscription.
As for me, I'm willing to continue my subscription almost indefinitely at this point. No complaints from me. Keep the riff raff out!
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
Nonsense. But if you like Archeage that much, that's the game for you. Let those of us who like ESO the way it is, keep it the way it is.
Not every game is going to meet everyone's needs. If people wish it was something else, they will be wishing and griefing a very long time.
I wondered that myself. People keep raging on this debate because they refuse to accept it's subscription and refuse to pay.
Go somewhere else if you don't like ESO! There are lots of F2P out there. Why grief on a game that isn't going to change their subscription model? Get over it. Move on.
"This is something that always bugged me about World of Warcraft. I took a break from WoW and when I returned I was so far behind on the treadmill that I thought I would never be able to catch up and experience the new content before the next content is released."
I've taken huge breaks from WoW myself in the recent years since the end of WotLK. The catching up has been dumbed down for casual play so badly, it only takes a day or two to catch up and gear up in full epics.
And if you make that a complaint that you can't put in that short amount of time into MMORPG's, you might be playing the wrong types of games bro.