No concept of the game ...Heading out of port with 2k in gold worth of trade packs on board your ships is what pvp is all about at the moment , not sure what game you played but it sure isn't AA beyond the F2P level
I agree.
TBH, pretty much every hater on a crusade seems to be operating from a place of 'insulted' freeb, who has spent 1-3 hours in game, or is working on information from others and operating simply from watched videos and received wisdom.
It's all so pendantically derivative and tedious really.
90% of the opinions I see on the game are outdated or plain bad.
A lot of people buying archeage are not going to want to do quests since they are same old same old, and some might not even want to craft.
If you are not into crafting and insane grinding associated with it, there isn't really much to do and that is what "there is so much to do in AA" utter bs myth boils down to.
In AA you can do about the same as in other themeparks - raid, craft, pvp but comparatively the game is severly lacking content in that regard.
Is this a serious statement or trolling?
How many AAA "themeparks" have naval combat, non-instanced housing, non-instanced farming, collision physics, trade runs and sieges of custom user-built castles for territorial tax rights?
Non-instance housing/farming is a gimmick, doesn't add to gameplay in anyway shape or form.
My thatched farmhouse with it's extra planting land and the storage chests i have in there for extra space, plus the other utilities I am aiming to put in there says to me [mod edit]
your farmhouse could have all that just as well by being instanced.
The game has hardly been out for a week and you are already calling it the best since EQ?
Since you have obviously played other MMOs, don't you think you should give it a few months before making such boastful statements?
He said it was the best mmo since EQ in his opinion. Do you go around saying the same thing to people who played the game for 15 minutes and came to the forums to whine & complain? No you didnt, instead you cheered them on. Should i go thru the post history?
Stop derailing this thread. The topic is about Archeage and how the op feels its the best since EQ. This forum has enough negativity and passive aggression.
Originally posted by boxsnd Finally a game that gives you a reason to do world PvP. I don't know how long it'll last but right now I'm loving it.
There will be an even better reason when they open the northern continent with sieging and territory control or whatever they have planned.
Sidenote: Do patrons get zapped to the front of the que? I've been playing as free to play (what's the point of patron if there is no property available) and the que is not doable during primetime 3+ hours.
Originally posted by boxsnd Finally a game that gives you a reason to do world PvP. I don't know how long it'll last but right now I'm loving it.
There will be an even better reason when they open the northern continent with sieging and territory control or whatever they have planned.
Sidenote: Do patrons get zapped to the front of the que? I've been playing as free to play (what's the point of patron if there is no property available) and the que is not doable during primetime 3+ hours.
Yup. I was getting 3-4k queues as a F2Per. At level 40 I got enough gold to buy 1 month subscription and since then my queues range from 1 to 15 people.
Too early for me to say. I see they brought out the good old nerf hammer for healing. Today was a struggle to get through some adventures that were loaded with bots. Not to mention gold selllers in chat. So, I'll wait to see how they handle this and future problems. So far I've enjoyed my ranger with his pet cat. To get a pet wolf I'm going to have to sneak deep into enemy lands...
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A lot of people buying archeage are not going to want to do quests since they are same old same old, and some might not even want to craft.
If you are not into crafting and insane grinding associated with it, there isn't really much to do and that is what "there is so much to do in AA" utter bs myth boils down to.
In AA you can do about the same as in other themeparks - raid, craft, pvp but comparatively the game is severly lacking content in that regard.
Is this a serious statement or trolling?
How many AAA "themeparks" have naval combat, non-instanced housing, non-instanced farming, collision physics, trade runs and sieges of custom user-built castles for territorial tax rights?
Non-instance housing/farming is a gimmick, doesn't add to gameplay in anyway shape or form.
My thatched farmhouse with it's extra planting land and the storage chests i have in there for extra space, plus the other utilities I am aiming to put in there says to me [mod edit]
your farmhouse could have all that just as well by being instanced.
MMORPG means Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game
Not one place in there says anything about being instanced
*Points you to the plethora of themeparks out there with nice instanced housing
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Read up allot about this game, bad and the good, going to jump in a few months time when the crowd waaah waaah have thinned out a bit, and servers settle down.
Read up allot about this game, bad and the good, going to jump in a few months time when the crowd waaah waaah have thinned out a bit, and servers settle down.
Yeah, give it a go and see for yourself. Please do remember though that it is a cooperative social game... I get the feeling from reading that the majority of the 'waah waahs' have logged in, played 3 hours of solo quests, and then logged out with (in their heads) a full and undoubtedtly amazing opinion on what AA is. They just plug the gaps in knowledge with outdated and bad received wisdom read on the internet.
Give it a go, give it time, and it unfolds. It doesn't take long through the tutorial (quests) to reveal what it is really about
The game has hardly been out for a week and you are already calling it the best since EQ?
Since you have obviously played other MMOs, don't you think you should give it a few months before making such boastful statements?
He said it was the best mmo since EQ in his opinion. Do you go around saying the same thing to people who played the game for 15 minutes and came to the forums to whine & complain? No you didnt, instead you cheered them on. Should i go thru the post history?
Stop derailing this thread. The topic is about Archeage and how the op feels its the best since EQ. This forum has enough negativity and passive aggression.
FYI, I have no problem with him liking the game or posting that he likes it. I have nothing against the game. But what I do not care for is the hype people make for a game when it comes out. Because 9/10 these people tend to turn to bitter haters at the end and make it their personal mission to troll the forums of that specific game.
The game has hardly been out for a week and you are already calling it the best since EQ?
Since you have obviously played other MMOs, don't you think you should give it a few months before making such boastful statements?
I agree with this. It takes a bit of perculating before making such grandiose statements. I find it fun so far, but I haven't been playing for very long. Much to early to determine where I place it in the MMO scheme of things.
I never played EQ so can't comment on the comparison. I am an old Asheron's Call player though and can echo some of the sentiment of the OP. AA reminds me of some of the older games I've played for years and have enjoyed very much. A couple of points that appeal to me:
1. Long term goals. To achieve stuff in the game is going to take some long term commitment and patience. I just got my house built after some very focused grinding. Now to plan my money making ventures---exactly what am I going to grow, what trade routes are going to be my routine, what goodies am I going to make to decorate? Etc. After I get myself organized, there is that ship to build, that glider to upgrade, that manor to acquire and build somewhere.....after all, my thatched farmhouse will be maintained by my serfs! I want to wallow in luxury with my main! And I haven't even figured out what crafting profession I want to master. There are so many and I just can't focus.
2. Socializing. This is a great social game since there is quite a bit of down time. Making those trade runs is a great time to get to know your guild mates. I've met quite a few other people out adventuring or on trade runs and we've stuck up conversations. People are incredibly social and this harkens back to my earlier MMO days were people actually got to know one another. In a game like ESO for example, you could join 5 guilds. I never once met any of my guild mates or did anything with them. It was a solitary experience for me as I flitted from quest to quest. What to run a dungeon....just queue up and get it done. AA is really bringing back that great guild experience for me. I'm in a fantastic guild with folks that have been playing since alpha and adore the game. I think this is also a game where reputation matters. Our guild has alliances and enemies. Certain players are KOS. Alliances are always changing and I love this dynamic nature of the game. Things don't get boring.
I'm a pretty casual player who does take my time. Sure, the game has bugs. Trion finally got the queue times down to manageable....at least for patrons. They have bots to fix....that is for sure. Same with gold spam. To judge an entire game on some of these initial problems is rather shortsighted. The questing was rather boring and I found myself skipping through some dialogue. It isn't terrible but more of an introduction to the game. I always got off the rails early though and find myself just doing the quests if I need some gear or money. I just made 30 on my highest and hear that the game opens up after that. Frankly, the game opened up for me after I got my mount and garden plot and I've found myself very busy indeed.
The only problem for me is that the game is a bit like crack. Very addictive and I know that I'm going to have to pace myself carefully. When I retired, I started to play AC1 obsessively and got rather burned out. I'm finding that AA is a bit the same way. In fact I'm glad that they have the LP system. It keeps me paced, lol.
I have to disagree with the OP, SWG to me was a 50 times better game then this, housing wise, crafting, PvP, Classes etc. I could write a laundry list of things SWG did better and this is released what 10 years after, it could have been a lot better then this current Sandpark game they call it. I won't even compare it to Eve which stands head and shoulders above this as a sandbox game.
Originally posted by Saxonblade I have to disagree with the OP, SWG to me was a 50 times better game then this, housing wise, crafting, PvP, Classes etc. I could write a laundry list of things SWG did better and this is released what 10 years after, it could have been a lot better then this current Sandpark game they call it. I won't even compare it to Eve which stands head and shoulders above this as a sandbox game.
Well, yeah, but I didn't enjoy SWG all that much... And I have the feeling that others didn't really either at the time, but kind of pretend to now because it's the hipster stance to take (if everyone who says it was the best game evah was actually playing it back then the NGE would never have been needed due to shitty sub figures).
I also don't like EvE... I find it a dull spread sheet of a game. Not for me at all.
So, yeah, feel free to enjoy what you personally enjoy, whatever, but I don't think that you can sensibly disagree with my statement that *I* find it the best MMORPG since classic EQ.
The game has hardly been out for a week and you are already calling it the best since EQ?
Since you have obviously played other MMOs, don't you think you should give it a few months before making such boastful statements?
He said it was the best mmo since EQ in his opinion. Do you go around saying the same thing to people who played the game for 15 minutes and came to the forums to whine & complain? No you didnt, instead you cheered them on. Should i go thru the post history?
Stop derailing this thread. The topic is about Archeage and how the op feels its the best since EQ. This forum has enough negativity and passive aggression.
FYI, I have no problem with him liking the game or posting that he likes it. I have nothing against the game. But what I do not care for is the hype people make for a game when it comes out. Because 9/10 these people tend to turn to bitter haters at the end and make it their personal mission to troll the forums of that specific game.
TBH Grimal, you actually do seem to be on a crusade about the game to tear it down... You ignore every positive point made and every explanation given and keep focusing on the negative and harping on the same old disproven points.
For instance, I have said *repeatedly* that I have been playing for months, and yet you keep ignoring that in favour of making out that I am in the 2 week honeymoon phase, simply because it suits you better to think that.
How about acknowledging that I have played for a good amount of time and clearly still find the game fun and addicitive?
Or wouldn't that grind your axe?
Nevulus, I absolutely agree. Like when the maker of that other thread saying how good this game was for them was called a 'troll' for expressing his like of it, because it apparently was "inflammatory". It seems some people just enjoy attacking games that they don't play all the time and that misery enjoys company.
There are some great elements in Archeage, no doubt, and for that it is a great game.
Unfortunately you will find that it isnt a game that will keep its appeal. You will grow tired of it eventually, weather it is due to the lack of innovation, its very fine line of the themepark-type quests. You will grow tired of it, but it is still worth trying.
Anyone still clinging to the complaint of quests hasn't gotten very far, and is limiting THEMSELVES either intentionally, or through ignorance.
There's more to do in the game than quest hubs. Much, much more than what's available in straight themepark games.
Yes, it's also possible to play EvE, and only play the missions, and call it a quest grinder. Of course, you'd be missing 90% of the game, but gamer's ignorance is legion, I suppose.
My recommendation - play more than 30 minutes, and actually experience all the game has to offer, and not just the tiny slice many of the opinionated have here, before rendering a verdict.
I think OP ,you hit the nail in one area that pertains to myself.
It is not actually that i "HATE" Themepark gaming it is just that it is not really a RPG idea just a bunch of random content to fill out a game.If the quests actually had some realism towards your characters role in the game,i might accept it more but that is NOT what devs are doing with quests.Quests are used to simply hold your hand through levels and in a VERY easy fashion.
What AA did was take that hand holding and bring it to an all time low,flashing arrows on the ground as well as markers,that is a big NO thanks.I have been there done that a million times,i want freedom to how and where i play my game,after all i am role playing MY character i am not roleplaying a person walking through a Themepark full of rides and cotton candy.
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I agree.
TBH, pretty much every hater on a crusade seems to be operating from a place of 'insulted' freeb, who has spent 1-3 hours in game, or is working on information from others and operating simply from watched videos and received wisdom.
It's all so pendantically derivative and tedious really.
90% of the opinions I see on the game are outdated or plain bad.
your farmhouse could have all that just as well by being instanced.
He said it was the best mmo since EQ in his opinion. Do you go around saying the same thing to people who played the game for 15 minutes and came to the forums to whine & complain? No you didnt, instead you cheered them on. Should i go thru the post history?
Stop derailing this thread. The topic is about Archeage and how the op feels its the best since EQ. This forum has enough negativity and passive aggression.
DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann
There will be an even better reason when they open the northern continent with sieging and territory control or whatever they have planned.
Sidenote: Do patrons get zapped to the front of the que? I've been playing as free to play (what's the point of patron if there is no property available) and the que is not doable during primetime 3+ hours.
Yup. I was getting 3-4k queues as a F2Per. At level 40 I got enough gold to buy 1 month subscription and since then my queues range from 1 to 15 people.
DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann
This was exactly my thought and reminds of me others I know who made the same comments about other games they no longer played after 3-6 months.
If you liked EQ, you might want to give Project: Gorgon a try. Having a blast playing it. Reminds me of UO, and the good times I had in DAoC.
It doesn't have very much PvP yet, so stick with ArcheAge if you only like a game if it has PvP. My brother is playing ArcheAge right now.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
MMORPG means Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game
Not one place in there says anything about being instanced
*Points you to the plethora of themeparks out there with nice instanced housing
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Not one place in there says anthing about being not instanced.
You could still have a MMORPG with instanced housing. Unless you would like to say that every game that has instanced housing isn't an MMORPG.
Read up allot about this game, bad and the good, going to jump in a few months time when the crowd waaah waaah have thinned out a bit, and servers settle down.
Yeah, give it a go and see for yourself. Please do remember though that it is a cooperative social game... I get the feeling from reading that the majority of the 'waah waahs' have logged in, played 3 hours of solo quests, and then logged out with (in their heads) a full and undoubtedtly amazing opinion on what AA is. They just plug the gaps in knowledge with outdated and bad received wisdom read on the internet.
Give it a go, give it time, and it unfolds. It doesn't take long through the tutorial (quests) to reveal what it is really about
Funny you calling me out on this when you did this after someone gave their opinion about Wildstar here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6325392#6325392.
FYI, I have no problem with him liking the game or posting that he likes it. I have nothing against the game. But what I do not care for is the hype people make for a game when it comes out. Because 9/10 these people tend to turn to bitter haters at the end and make it their personal mission to troll the forums of that specific game.
I agree with this. It takes a bit of perculating before making such grandiose statements. I find it fun so far, but I haven't been playing for very long. Much to early to determine where I place it in the MMO scheme of things.
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Ahh, I was gonna say this too, but not as nice, but thanks for beating me to the punch lol.
I never played EQ so can't comment on the comparison. I am an old Asheron's Call player though and can echo some of the sentiment of the OP. AA reminds me of some of the older games I've played for years and have enjoyed very much. A couple of points that appeal to me:
1. Long term goals. To achieve stuff in the game is going to take some long term commitment and patience. I just got my house built after some very focused grinding. Now to plan my money making ventures---exactly what am I going to grow, what trade routes are going to be my routine, what goodies am I going to make to decorate? Etc. After I get myself organized, there is that ship to build, that glider to upgrade, that manor to acquire and build somewhere.....after all, my thatched farmhouse will be maintained by my serfs! I want to wallow in luxury with my main! And I haven't even figured out what crafting profession I want to master. There are so many and I just can't focus.
2. Socializing. This is a great social game since there is quite a bit of down time. Making those trade runs is a great time to get to know your guild mates. I've met quite a few other people out adventuring or on trade runs and we've stuck up conversations. People are incredibly social and this harkens back to my earlier MMO days were people actually got to know one another. In a game like ESO for example, you could join 5 guilds. I never once met any of my guild mates or did anything with them. It was a solitary experience for me as I flitted from quest to quest. What to run a dungeon....just queue up and get it done. AA is really bringing back that great guild experience for me. I'm in a fantastic guild with folks that have been playing since alpha and adore the game. I think this is also a game where reputation matters. Our guild has alliances and enemies. Certain players are KOS. Alliances are always changing and I love this dynamic nature of the game. Things don't get boring.
I'm a pretty casual player who does take my time. Sure, the game has bugs. Trion finally got the queue times down to manageable....at least for patrons. They have bots to fix....that is for sure. Same with gold spam. To judge an entire game on some of these initial problems is rather shortsighted. The questing was rather boring and I found myself skipping through some dialogue. It isn't terrible but more of an introduction to the game. I always got off the rails early though and find myself just doing the quests if I need some gear or money. I just made 30 on my highest and hear that the game opens up after that. Frankly, the game opened up for me after I got my mount and garden plot and I've found myself very busy indeed.
The only problem for me is that the game is a bit like crack. Very addictive and I know that I'm going to have to pace myself carefully. When I retired, I started to play AC1 obsessively and got rather burned out. I'm finding that AA is a bit the same way. In fact I'm glad that they have the LP system. It keeps me paced, lol.
I hate f2p games but this game is awesome fun.
has flaws could be better but it's better than any other mmo
that i've played however i give it 3 months to really
see what I think.
pvp and crafting seem to be main part of game
They aren't the type of mmos I want to play anymore. As a roleplayer I'v had enough with games that take the community out of the main game world.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Well, yeah, but I didn't enjoy SWG all that much... And I have the feeling that others didn't really either at the time, but kind of pretend to now because it's the hipster stance to take (if everyone who says it was the best game evah was actually playing it back then the NGE would never have been needed due to shitty sub figures).
I also don't like EvE... I find it a dull spread sheet of a game. Not for me at all.
So, yeah, feel free to enjoy what you personally enjoy, whatever, but I don't think that you can sensibly disagree with my statement that *I* find it the best MMORPG since classic EQ.
TBH Grimal, you actually do seem to be on a crusade about the game to tear it down... You ignore every positive point made and every explanation given and keep focusing on the negative and harping on the same old disproven points.
For instance, I have said *repeatedly* that I have been playing for months, and yet you keep ignoring that in favour of making out that I am in the 2 week honeymoon phase, simply because it suits you better to think that.
How about acknowledging that I have played for a good amount of time and clearly still find the game fun and addicitive?
Or wouldn't that grind your axe?
Nevulus, I absolutely agree. Like when the maker of that other thread saying how good this game was for them was called a 'troll' for expressing his like of it, because it apparently was "inflammatory". It seems some people just enjoy attacking games that they don't play all the time and that misery enjoys company.
Anyone still clinging to the complaint of quests hasn't gotten very far, and is limiting THEMSELVES either intentionally, or through ignorance.
There's more to do in the game than quest hubs. Much, much more than what's available in straight themepark games.
Yes, it's also possible to play EvE, and only play the missions, and call it a quest grinder. Of course, you'd be missing 90% of the game, but gamer's ignorance is legion, I suppose.
My recommendation - play more than 30 minutes, and actually experience all the game has to offer, and not just the tiny slice many of the opinionated have here, before rendering a verdict.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
I think OP ,you hit the nail in one area that pertains to myself.
It is not actually that i "HATE" Themepark gaming it is just that it is not really a RPG idea just a bunch of random content to fill out a game.If the quests actually had some realism towards your characters role in the game,i might accept it more but that is NOT what devs are doing with quests.Quests are used to simply hold your hand through levels and in a VERY easy fashion.
What AA did was take that hand holding and bring it to an all time low,flashing arrows on the ground as well as markers,that is a big NO thanks.I have been there done that a million times,i want freedom to how and where i play my game,after all i am role playing MY character i am not roleplaying a person walking through a Themepark full of rides and cotton candy.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.