I think OP ,you hit the nail in one area that pertains to myself.
What AA did was take that hand holding and bring it to an all time low
oh, stop being so dramatic. AA's questing is mediocre, sure, kind of meh, sure, but "all time low"... That's just silly hyperbole.
The quests are a simple tutorial and do an ok job of showing you around the world and systems if you want to do them.
I am sure if they were not there you would be here complaining that the game just dropped you into a complex huge world with no support or information.
I think OP ,you hit the nail in one area that pertains to myself.
What AA did was take that hand holding and bring it to an all time low
oh, stop being so dramatic. AA's questing is mediocre, sure, kind of meh, sure, but "all time low"... That's just silly hyperbole.
The quests are a simple tutorial and do an ok job of showing you around the world and systems if you want to do them.
I am sure if they were not there you would be here complaining that the game just dropped you into a complex huge world with no support or information.
I think OP ,you hit the nail in one area that pertains to myself.
What AA did was take that hand holding and bring it to an all time low
oh, stop being so dramatic. AA's questing is mediocre, sure, kind of meh, sure, but "all time low"... That's just silly hyperbole.
The quests are a simple tutorial and do an ok job of showing you around the world and systems if you want to do them.
I am sure if they were not there you would be here complaining that the game just dropped you into a complex huge world with no support or information.
That's pretty much how it used to be...
But he's right, that would be the complaint.
How it "used to be" is over. Games these days have to be competitive with the games of today, not with games from 15 years ago, lest they be labelled anachronisms out of the gate.
You're not going to find a lot of AAA games this close to being a "throwback" coming out anytime soon. And if there is, you'll be able to enjoy it with the 12 other people that will still be playing it 6 months after launch.
I think OP ,you hit the nail in one area that pertains to myself.
What AA did was take that hand holding and bring it to an all time low
oh, stop being so dramatic. AA's questing is mediocre, sure, kind of meh, sure, but "all time low"... That's just silly hyperbole.
The quests are a simple tutorial and do an ok job of showing you around the world and systems if you want to do them.
I am sure if they were not there you would be here complaining that the game just dropped you into a complex huge world with no support or information.
That's pretty much how it used to be...
Well, yes, and it changed for a reason... People joining the hobby demanded more robust tutorials and intitial guidance. games got heavily criticised for not having this in place.
The game has hardly been out for a week and you are already calling it the best since EQ?
Since you have obviously played other MMOs, don't you think you should give it a few months before making such boastful statements?
He said it was the best mmo since EQ in his opinion. Do you go around saying the same thing to people who played the game for 15 minutes and came to the forums to whine & complain? No you didnt, instead you cheered them on. Should i go thru the post history?
Stop derailing this thread. The topic is about Archeage and how the op feels its the best since EQ. This forum has enough negativity and passive aggression.
FYI, I have no problem with him liking the game or posting that he likes it. I have nothing against the game. But what I do not care for is the hype people make for a game when it comes out. Because 9/10 these people tend to turn to bitter haters at the end and make it their personal mission to troll the forums of that specific game.
TBH Grimal, you actually do seem to be on a crusade about the game to tear it down... You ignore every positive point made and every explanation given and keep focusing on the negative and harping on the same old disproven points.
For instance, I have said *repeatedly* that I have been playing for months, and yet you keep ignoring that in favour of making out that I am in the 2 week honeymoon phase, simply because it suits you better to think that.
How about acknowledging that I have played for a good amount of time and clearly still find the game fun and addicitive?
Or wouldn't that grind your axe?
Nevulus, I absolutely agree. Like when the maker of that other thread saying how good this game was for them was called a 'troll' for expressing his like of it, because it apparently was "inflammatory". It seems some people just enjoy attacking games that they don't play all the time and that misery enjoys company.
I'm on no crusade against the game. I have clearly stated in other posts I have tried repeatedly to play the game and am still looking forward to it.
As I also stated, you may have been playing the Alpha but until the floodgates have been open to the mass population, you are not playing the game in its entirety. The community has yet to be established for one. Two, the economy. Now I have no problem with you enjoying the game. I just think you could have had a bit more tact with your title and said "I enjoy this game" instead of propping it up against one of the grandfathers of the genre, thus giving it this sort of "adoration" that perhaps stirs the little hype pot that comes around here with every release. Or is this something you do with every game and then come back 3 months later and take the other extreme? Because I see your join date and unless you have been absent from these forums you are clearly contributing to this hype cycle that plagues these forums and prohibits any sort of rational discussion.
I've also noticed a lot of people have been quitting since the game released citing issues with the community, the company or other various reasons. Issues that have come to light since launch whereas before it was never an issue because the f2p element hadn't come in. Are you playing the same game as them? Because from what I am reading they obviously feel something has changed from alpha to launch.
I think you carefully worded your title to be nothing more than an attention grab. Now that I have called you out on it, you are labeling me a hater (which I clearly am not).
I'm on no crusade against the game. I have clearly stated in other posts I have tried repeatedly to play the game and am still looking forward to it.
I'm sorry you haven't played the game but that fact alone gives little merit to opinions formed from second hand information at best ,,,,,in the OP defense I also found DAOC , WOW , LOTR and GW2 to be games that I felt where better than EQ .
I'm on no crusade against the game. I have clearly stated in other posts I have tried repeatedly to play the game and am still looking forward to it.
I'm sorry you haven't played the game but that fact alone gives little merit to opinions formed from second hand information at best ,,,,,in the OP defense I also found DAOC , WOW , LOTR and GW2 to be games that I felt where better than EQ .
You missed the point of my post entirely. I don't have an opinion of the game. I just believe (as many others have stated many times on this site) that an MMO needs a certain amount of time before you can give it a worthwhile review.
I'm on no crusade against the game. I have clearly stated in other posts I have tried repeatedly to play the game and am still looking forward to it.
I'm sorry you haven't played the game but that fact alone gives little merit to opinions formed from second hand information at best ,,,,,in the OP defense I also found DAOC , WOW , LOTR and GW2 to be games that I felt where better than EQ .
You missed the point of my post entirely. I don't have an opinion of the game. I just believe (as many others have stated many times on this site) that an MMO needs a certain amount of time before you can give it a worthwhile review.
Have to agree with you there, so many games come out with rabid fans only to find those same fans 1-2 months later trashing the game, Wildstar anyone? That said EQ was a gem with staying power and a sense of wonder because no other game had yet given us a FP perspective in an MMO. I play AA I am trying really hard to like AA, the OP is correct in his eyes this is the best game since EQ. That said in my eyes in it is not, I just find it lacking a soul that EQ did have.
Been looking for a game like this for a long time. The launch was a disaster with way to less servers but understandable if you see what happens these days with mmo players who swarm into a mmo and leave 4 days later leaving a server a ghostown.
The pvp and the traderuns are awesome. Halcyona on Dahuta is 1 big clusterfuck atm with east totaly dominating without much resistance. Once Auroria opens up its showtime and i cannot wait for Trion to open it as its clearly one of the best places to fight and pvp.
i realy love how things work in Archeage and cant give 2 cents about freeloaders and haters. its the sam pattern in each mmo, always something to hate and cry instead of loving how an mmo works.
i rate this mmo a 9/10 fucking awesome mmo that i realy want to play long term
I'm on no crusade against the game. I have clearly stated in other posts I have tried repeatedly to play the game and am still looking forward to it.
I'm sorry you haven't played the game but that fact alone gives little merit to opinions formed from second hand information at best ,,,,,in the OP defense I also found DAOC , WOW , LOTR and GW2 to be games that I felt where better than EQ .
You missed the point of my post entirely. I don't have an opinion of the game. I just believe (as many others have stated many times on this site) that an MMO needs a certain amount of time before you can give it a worthwhile review.
Have to agree with you there, so many games come out with rabid fans only to find those same fans 1-2 months later trashing the game, Wildstar anyone? That said EQ was a gem with staying power and a sense of wonder because no other game had yet given us a FP perspective in an MMO. I play AA I am trying really hard to like AA, the OP is correct in his eyes this is the best game since EQ. That said in my eyes in it is not, I just find it lacking a soul that EQ did have.
People find it lacking a soul because they expect the game to lead them. Sandbox games like AA are about the players establishing a soul in the game themselves. Each server will have its own feel, its own politics, and the like.
You can't even compare EQ and AA to each other because they are totally different games, and even though the OP feels that AA for him is the best mmo since EQ they are two entirely different games.
You have to compare AA to UO for example.
Some people just won't get the appeal of AA and that's fine, its a niche title. But for me I love it, is the first mmo in a long time that I've absolutely loved. Is it perfect? No, but I enjoy sometimes just sitting in the world and watching the emergent gameplay of what people do around me.
Its just not something that I expect your average themeparker or solo player to get.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
I gave in and started playing this game and I love it as well. I'm not doing much of the questing, I only quest when I run out of labor points. Running around and finding hidden trees to chop down, fishing, treasure hunting, crossing the ocean in a rowboat and running from gankers, I'm having a blast.
One of my issues with MMO's has always been the gold farmers who take all the resources and teenagers/people who live in their moms basement and can spend 12 hours a day playing the game/crafting/taking resources. I dont have to compete with them any longer since labor points slow them down.
Not saying the game is the greatest ever. Just saying as a patron subber who has a family/real job and other hobbies, this game is perfect for me. An OK themepark with enough sand to make me happy and well worth my $15 a month.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
The game has hardly been out for a week and you are already calling it the best since EQ?
Since you have obviously played other MMOs, don't you think you should give it a few months before making such boastful statements?
He said it was the best mmo since EQ in his opinion. Do you go around saying the same thing to people who played the game for 15 minutes and came to the forums to whine & complain? No you didnt, instead you cheered them on. Should i go thru the post history?
Stop derailing this thread. The topic is about Archeage and how the op feels its the best since EQ. This forum has enough negativity and passive aggression.
FYI, I have no problem with him liking the game or posting that he likes it. I have nothing against the game. But what I do not care for is the hype people make for a game when it comes out. Because 9/10 these people tend to turn to bitter haters at the end and make it their personal mission to troll the forums of that specific game.
TBH Grimal, you actually do seem to be on a crusade about the game to tear it down... You ignore every positive point made and every explanation given and keep focusing on the negative and harping on the same old disproven points.
For instance, I have said *repeatedly* that I have been playing for months, and yet you keep ignoring that in favour of making out that I am in the 2 week honeymoon phase, simply because it suits you better to think that.
How about acknowledging that I have played for a good amount of time and clearly still find the game fun and addicitive?
Or wouldn't that grind your axe?
Nevulus, I absolutely agree. Like when the maker of that other thread saying how good this game was for them was called a 'troll' for expressing his like of it, because it apparently was "inflammatory". It seems some people just enjoy attacking games that they don't play all the time and that misery enjoys company.
I'm on no crusade against the game. I have clearly stated in other posts I have tried repeatedly to play the game and am still looking forward to it.
As I also stated, you may have been playing the Alpha but until the floodgates have been open to the mass population, you are not playing the game in its entirety. The community has yet to be established for one. Two, the economy. Now I have no problem with you enjoying the game. I just think you could have had a bit more tact with your title and said "I enjoy this game" instead of propping it up against one of the grandfathers of the genre, thus giving it this sort of "adoration" that perhaps stirs the little hype pot that comes around here with every release. Or is this something you do with every game and then come back 3 months later and take the other extreme? Because I see your join date and unless you have been absent from these forums you are clearly contributing to this hype cycle that plagues these forums and prohibits any sort of rational discussion.
Sigh. ok, gonna reply to you one last time and then leave it, because you don't listen.
I haven't 'propped' it up against EQ. I have clearly said I think EQ was better (for me). How is saying AA isn't as good as EQ for me 'propping it up'?
Months in alpha, playing the betas, and so many weeks into live and still I am not allowed to say I love the game more than any other game for a long time? ok, whatever, I am sorry that I do not meet your obviously high standards as to being allowed to express my enjoyment for the title.
Like the other guy said here, I don't see you challenging the hate guys that have clearly played for a day or whatever as to the validity of their opinion, but whatever. It seems liking something is far more unacceptable than hating to some.
Personally, I think I come from a very qualified place to express my enjoyment and passion for this game. I get that you don't, and there isn't any point in debating that more. We will leave it to others to decide if I do.
The game has hardly been out for a week and you are already calling it the best since EQ?
Since you have obviously played other MMOs, don't you think you should give it a few months before making such boastful statements?
He said it was the best mmo since EQ in his opinion. Do you go around saying the same thing to people who played the game for 15 minutes and came to the forums to whine & complain? No you didnt, instead you cheered them on. Should i go thru the post history?
Stop derailing this thread. The topic is about Archeage and how the op feels its the best since EQ. This forum has enough negativity and passive aggression.
FYI, I have no problem with him liking the game or posting that he likes it. I have nothing against the game. But what I do not care for is the hype people make for a game when it comes out. Because 9/10 these people tend to turn to bitter haters at the end and make it their personal mission to troll the forums of that specific game.
TBH Grimal, you actually do seem to be on a crusade about the game to tear it down... You ignore every positive point made and every explanation given and keep focusing on the negative and harping on the same old disproven points.
For instance, I have said *repeatedly* that I have been playing for months, and yet you keep ignoring that in favour of making out that I am in the 2 week honeymoon phase, simply because it suits you better to think that.
How about acknowledging that I have played for a good amount of time and clearly still find the game fun and addicitive?
Or wouldn't that grind your axe?
Nevulus, I absolutely agree. Like when the maker of that other thread saying how good this game was for them was called a 'troll' for expressing his like of it, because it apparently was "inflammatory". It seems some people just enjoy attacking games that they don't play all the time and that misery enjoys company.
I'm on no crusade against the game. I have clearly stated in other posts I have tried repeatedly to play the game and am still looking forward to it.
As I also stated, you may have been playing the Alpha but until the floodgates have been open to the mass population, you are not playing the game in its entirety. The community has yet to be established for one. Two, the economy. Now I have no problem with you enjoying the game. I just think you could have had a bit more tact with your title and said "I enjoy this game" instead of propping it up against one of the grandfathers of the genre, thus giving it this sort of "adoration" that perhaps stirs the little hype pot that comes around here with every release. Or is this something you do with every game and then come back 3 months later and take the other extreme? Because I see your join date and unless you have been absent from these forums you are clearly contributing to this hype cycle that plagues these forums and prohibits any sort of rational discussion.
Sigh. ok, gonna reply to you one last time and then leave it, because you don't listen.
I haven't 'propped' it up against EQ. I have clearly said I think EQ was better (for me). How is saying AA isn't as good as EQ for me 'propping it up'?
Months in alpha, playing the betas, and so many weeks into live and still I am not allowed to say I love the game more than any other game for a long time? ok, whatever, I am sorry that I do not meet your obviously high standards as to being allowed to express my enjoyment for the title.
Like the other guy said here, I don't see you challenging the hate guys that have clearly played for a day or whatever as to the validity of their opinion, but whatever. It seems liking something is far more unacceptable than hating to some.
Personally, I think I come from a very qualified place to express my enjoyment and passion for this game. I get that you don't, and there isn't any point in debating that more. We will leave it to others to decide if I do.
Because what is clearly getting past you is your post has now become part of the hype machine. You specifically said the game is the best MMO since EQ. You chose those words very carefully because you know this is the sort of hyperbole this site feeds on and only leads to the massive hate trolls that still frequent other games because their expectations were unrealistic due to hype (look no further than SWTOR forums for that).
I don't mind whether you like the game or not, but your OP title, in its wording, is contributing to this cycle. We've lost many good members over the years due to hype/hate arguments. I am just suggesting, since you are a long time user here, to give the flamboyant speech a rest and use a little more grounded statements when giving reviews so soon after launch. This road has been travelled enough with every release I can think of for the past ten years.
i don't care for the posts that hype or hate; they are equally as bad in my view. Isn't this the same site where people have openly criticized reviews of games because the reviewer didn't put enough time into it? I understand you played Alpha for months but as I have read the F2P has significantly changed the gaming experience for many.
and for the record, you never answered my question pages back as to what kind of MMO player are you and why this game particularly draws you in.
The game has hardly been out for a week and you are already calling it the best since EQ?
Since you have obviously played other MMOs, don't you think you should give it a few months before making such boastful statements?
He said it was the best mmo since EQ in his opinion. Do you go around saying the same thing to people who played the game for 15 minutes and came to the forums to whine & complain? No you didnt, instead you cheered them on. Should i go thru the post history?
Stop derailing this thread. The topic is about Archeage and how the op feels its the best since EQ. This forum has enough negativity and passive aggression.
TBH Grimal, you actually do seem to be on a crusade about the game to tear it down... You ignore every positive point made and every explanation given and keep focusing on the negative and harping on the same old disproven points.
For instance, I have said *repeatedly* that I have been playing for months, and yet you keep ignoring that in favour of making out that I am in the 2 week honeymoon phase, simply because it suits you better to think that.
How about acknowledging that I have played for a good amount of time and clearly still find the game fun and addicitive?
Or wouldn't that grind your axe?
Nevulus, I absolutely agree. Like when the maker of that other thread saying how good this game was for them was called a 'troll' for expressing his like of it, because it apparently was "inflammatory". It seems some people just enjoy attacking games that they don't play all the time and that misery enjoys company.
As I also stated, you may have been playing the Alpha but until the floodgates have been open to the mass population, you are not playing the game in its entirety.
Sigh. ok, gonna reply to you one last time and then leave it, because you don't listen.
I haven't 'propped' it up against EQ. I have clearly said I think EQ was better (for me). How is saying AA isn't as good as EQ for me 'propping it up'?
Months in alpha, playing the betas, and so many weeks into live and still I am not allowed to say I love the game more than any other game for a long time? ok, whatever, I am sorry that I do not meet your obviously high standards as to being allowed to express my enjoyment for the title.
Like the other guy said here, I don't see you challenging the hate guys that have clearly played for a day or whatever as to the validity of their opinion, but whatever. It seems liking something is far more unacceptable than hating to some.
Personally, I think I come from a very qualified place to express my enjoyment and passion for this game. I get that you don't, and there isn't any point in debating that more. We will leave it to others to decide if I do.
ok Grimal, whatever. This particular issue of yours is indeed actually derailing a positive thread about a game and turning into a pedantic bickering squabble about whether you approve of my phrasing or not.
Like I say, we have both had our say and are now just repeating the same stuff. I will ask you to make a new thread about supposed fan hyperbole and instant hate elsewhere at this point. This one is to talk about AA, not me.
Let us move on and let the other readers decide for themselves if Alpha, Beta, live isn't enough to decide whether I like the game or not and happen to rate it very highly.
Personally, I think I come from a very qualified place to express my enjoyment and passion for this game. I get that you don't, and there isn't any point in debating that more. We will leave it to others to decide if I do.
This game is great and we need more people backing it and saying good things because it deserves it for stepping outside the Blizzard box that was created Oh so long ago. Fortunatly all the players that are loving the game are to busy playing it to spend time on these hate forums.
ok Grimal, whatever. This particular issue of yours is indeed actually derailing a positive thread about a game and turning into a pedantic bickering squabble about whether you approve of my phrasing or not.
Like I say, we have both had our say and are now just repeating the same stuff. I will ask you to make a new thread about supposed fan hyperbole and instant hate elsewhere at this point. This one is to talk about AA, not me.
Let us move on and let the other readers decide for themselves if Alpha, Beta, live isn't enough to decide whether I like the game or not and happen to rate it very highly.
Yep, time to move on. Again, I am very happy you are enjoying it.
The best for me since EQ as well...and I played years of EQ1
After so many quest hubbed MMOs in the last several years I just couldn't do it anymore. I started AA and due to habit started just questing....not good. Then all of a sudden (about level 20) I started to try out some of the other things in AA and I'm pretty much hooked.
I don't have to quest!
I've been spending my time farming and learning trade routes. I just have an 8x8 but I'm hoping to find more land someday. My guild has several plots in PvP zones so plenty I can do there as well. I appreciate the scarcity of certain stuff...it makes for some long term goals to have. Moving trade packs along with the guild thru war zones has some excitement along with heading out on a clipper ship and easily finding fights. The game has a learning curve that takes some time but if you take it a step at a time eventually things start to make sense.
It also only takes a few trade pack runs to earn enough for patron...pretty easy! I started as a free player.
Things I'm looking forward to is getting the diving gear and a ship to go treasure hunting in the deep sea, building a farm cart and checking out the new zone when it comes live. Should be plenty of land there.
AA does have some bad parts...the Queue before I bought Patron...the gold spammers and seen some bots. Probably was one of the worst launches I've seen as well but it seems to me that they are starting to get it straightened out.
In the end I can pretty much do what I want...when I want and I don't have to quest!
For people who say you don't have a set path in this game. I say there is. What ever you want to do in this game the higher level you are the better. What's the best way to level? Questing. With questing you get mounts, gold, clothes, weapons, a way to level your battle pet, and a tour. Yes you could skip questing and just start mining and gathering and crafting, maybe in a few weeks of doing this you would have reached a level that allows you to go in to higher level areas to more of the same or just to explore if you want or buy land and a house.
What's a brand new person going to do when they start the game? Head to the first quest giver. The quest giver won't tell them they don't have to quest to level. They will give them some xp and point them to the next quest. Sure if you played alpha or beta you know your way around questing but I bet when you first started it was with questing.
People used to be able to level well by crafting so they added LP's to crafting to make it slower. So there is a path set out for players to follow. It's beautifully hidden but it's still on rails.
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I stopped questing at level fifteen. I am now level fourty. All 25 levels gained through mining. Metalworking and weapons smithing. It does not take weeks to level by crafting if you are a patron. Or you are a f2p player that buys apex with game gold.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Originally posted by Maquiame I stopped questing at level fifteen. I am now level fourty. All 25 levels gained through mining. Metalworking and weapons smithing. It does not take weeks to level by crafting if you are a patron. Or you are a f2p player that buys apex with game gold.
True, I every zone I go through still has a STACK of unfinished quests that I simply missed by 50. Entire zones actually went untouched quest wise, because I didn't need them.
Anyone who is relying on soloing through quests for their xp and items is, to my mind, playing this game in the same old way and then complaining for it being the same old game.
They just don't understand what AA actually is and what's possible. That's ok though, the rail road brainwashing isn't entirely their fault, the bad part is that they now have just shut off their opinion and refuse to listen to what's being explained because they are convinced that they now know it all.
Newb: Someone new to a game, but is open to being taught and will listen.
Noob: Someone who knows nothing, but is convinced they know everything and cannot be taught.
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oh, stop being so dramatic. AA's questing is mediocre, sure, kind of meh, sure, but "all time low"... That's just silly hyperbole.
The quests are a simple tutorial and do an ok job of showing you around the world and systems if you want to do them.
I am sure if they were not there you would be here complaining that the game just dropped you into a complex huge world with no support or information.
That's pretty much how it used to be...
But he's right, that would be the complaint.
How it "used to be" is over. Games these days have to be competitive with the games of today, not with games from 15 years ago, lest they be labelled anachronisms out of the gate.
You're not going to find a lot of AAA games this close to being a "throwback" coming out anytime soon. And if there is, you'll be able to enjoy it with the 12 other people that will still be playing it 6 months after launch.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Well, yes, and it changed for a reason... People joining the hobby demanded more robust tutorials and intitial guidance. games got heavily criticised for not having this in place.
I'm on no crusade against the game. I have clearly stated in other posts I have tried repeatedly to play the game and am still looking forward to it.
As I also stated, you may have been playing the Alpha but until the floodgates have been open to the mass population, you are not playing the game in its entirety. The community has yet to be established for one. Two, the economy. Now I have no problem with you enjoying the game. I just think you could have had a bit more tact with your title and said "I enjoy this game" instead of propping it up against one of the grandfathers of the genre, thus giving it this sort of "adoration" that perhaps stirs the little hype pot that comes around here with every release. Or is this something you do with every game and then come back 3 months later and take the other extreme? Because I see your join date and unless you have been absent from these forums you are clearly contributing to this hype cycle that plagues these forums and prohibits any sort of rational discussion.
I've also noticed a lot of people have been quitting since the game released citing issues with the community, the company or other various reasons. Issues that have come to light since launch whereas before it was never an issue because the f2p element hadn't come in. Are you playing the same game as them? Because from what I am reading they obviously feel something has changed from alpha to launch.
I think you carefully worded your title to be nothing more than an attention grab. Now that I have called you out on it, you are labeling me a hater (which I clearly am not).
I'm sorry you haven't played the game but that fact alone gives little merit to opinions formed from second hand information at best ,,,,,in the OP defense I also found DAOC , WOW , LOTR and GW2 to be games that I felt where better than EQ .
You missed the point of my post entirely. I don't have an opinion of the game. I just believe (as many others have stated many times on this site) that an MMO needs a certain amount of time before you can give it a worthwhile review.
After about the 20th quest... Déjà vu, ...uninstall.
It is truly still more of the same. Just more of it in one package.
Until an innovative game comes out, I'll still be bored.
Have to agree with you there, so many games come out with rabid fans only to find those same fans 1-2 months later trashing the game, Wildstar anyone? That said EQ was a gem with staying power and a sense of wonder because no other game had yet given us a FP perspective in an MMO. I play AA I am trying really hard to like AA, the OP is correct in his eyes this is the best game since EQ. That said in my eyes in it is not, I just find it lacking a soul that EQ did have.
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Been looking for a game like this for a long time.
The launch was a disaster with way to less servers but understandable if you see what happens these days with mmo players who swarm into a mmo and leave 4 days later leaving a server a ghostown.
The pvp and the traderuns are awesome.
Halcyona on Dahuta is 1 big clusterfuck atm with east totaly dominating without much resistance.
Once Auroria opens up its showtime and i cannot wait for Trion to open it as its clearly one of the best places to fight and pvp.
i realy love how things work in Archeage and cant give 2 cents about freeloaders and haters.
its the sam pattern in each mmo, always something to hate and cry instead of loving how an mmo works.
i rate this mmo a 9/10
fucking awesome mmo that i realy want to play long term
People find it lacking a soul because they expect the game to lead them. Sandbox games like AA are about the players establishing a soul in the game themselves. Each server will have its own feel, its own politics, and the like.
You can't even compare EQ and AA to each other because they are totally different games, and even though the OP feels that AA for him is the best mmo since EQ they are two entirely different games.
You have to compare AA to UO for example.
Some people just won't get the appeal of AA and that's fine, its a niche title. But for me I love it, is the first mmo in a long time that I've absolutely loved. Is it perfect? No, but I enjoy sometimes just sitting in the world and watching the emergent gameplay of what people do around me.
Its just not something that I expect your average themeparker or solo player to get.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
lol, yes, and the fact that if you *have* been playing for months and like it your opinion is still disregarded.
If I had been playing for months and had come to hate it, I am sure certain posters here would be using me as an example of the truth.
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
I gave in and started playing this game and I love it as well. I'm not doing much of the questing, I only quest when I run out of labor points. Running around and finding hidden trees to chop down, fishing, treasure hunting, crossing the ocean in a rowboat and running from gankers, I'm having a blast.
One of my issues with MMO's has always been the gold farmers who take all the resources and teenagers/people who live in their moms basement and can spend 12 hours a day playing the game/crafting/taking resources. I dont have to compete with them any longer since labor points slow them down.
Not saying the game is the greatest ever. Just saying as a patron subber who has a family/real job and other hobbies, this game is perfect for me. An OK themepark with enough sand to make me happy and well worth my $15 a month.
Sigh. ok, gonna reply to you one last time and then leave it, because you don't listen.
I haven't 'propped' it up against EQ. I have clearly said I think EQ was better (for me). How is saying AA isn't as good as EQ for me 'propping it up'?
Months in alpha, playing the betas, and so many weeks into live and still I am not allowed to say I love the game more than any other game for a long time? ok, whatever, I am sorry that I do not meet your obviously high standards as to being allowed to express my enjoyment for the title.
Like the other guy said here, I don't see you challenging the hate guys that have clearly played for a day or whatever as to the validity of their opinion, but whatever. It seems liking something is far more unacceptable than hating to some.
Personally, I think I come from a very qualified place to express my enjoyment and passion for this game. I get that you don't, and there isn't any point in debating that more. We will leave it to others to decide if I do.
Because what is clearly getting past you is your post has now become part of the hype machine. You specifically said the game is the best MMO since EQ. You chose those words very carefully because you know this is the sort of hyperbole this site feeds on and only leads to the massive hate trolls that still frequent other games because their expectations were unrealistic due to hype (look no further than SWTOR forums for that).
I don't mind whether you like the game or not, but your OP title, in its wording, is contributing to this cycle. We've lost many good members over the years due to hype/hate arguments. I am just suggesting, since you are a long time user here, to give the flamboyant speech a rest and use a little more grounded statements when giving reviews so soon after launch. This road has been travelled enough with every release I can think of for the past ten years.
i don't care for the posts that hype or hate; they are equally as bad in my view. Isn't this the same site where people have openly criticized reviews of games because the reviewer didn't put enough time into it? I understand you played Alpha for months but as I have read the F2P has significantly changed the gaming experience for many.
and for the record, you never answered my question pages back as to what kind of MMO player are you and why this game particularly draws you in.
ok Grimal, whatever. This particular issue of yours is indeed actually derailing a positive thread about a game and turning into a pedantic bickering squabble about whether you approve of my phrasing or not.
Like I say, we have both had our say and are now just repeating the same stuff. I will ask you to make a new thread about supposed fan hyperbole and instant hate elsewhere at this point. This one is to talk about AA, not me.
Let us move on and let the other readers decide for themselves if Alpha, Beta, live isn't enough to decide whether I like the game or not and happen to rate it very highly.
This game is great and we need more people backing it and saying good things because it deserves it for stepping outside the Blizzard box that was created Oh so long ago. Fortunatly all the players that are loving the game are to busy playing it to spend time on these hate forums.
Yep, time to move on. Again, I am very happy you are enjoying it.
I agree with the OP so far.
The best for me since EQ as well...and I played years of EQ1
After so many quest hubbed MMOs in the last several years I just couldn't do it anymore. I started AA and due to habit started just questing....not good. Then all of a sudden (about level 20) I started to try out some of the other things in AA and I'm pretty much hooked.
I don't have to quest!
I've been spending my time farming and learning trade routes. I just have an 8x8 but I'm hoping to find more land someday. My guild has several plots in PvP zones so plenty I can do there as well. I appreciate the scarcity of certain stuff...it makes for some long term goals to have. Moving trade packs along with the guild thru war zones has some excitement along with heading out on a clipper ship and easily finding fights. The game has a learning curve that takes some time but if you take it a step at a time eventually things start to make sense.
It also only takes a few trade pack runs to earn enough for patron...pretty easy! I started as a free player.
Things I'm looking forward to is getting the diving gear and a ship to go treasure hunting in the deep sea, building a farm cart and checking out the new zone when it comes live. Should be plenty of land there.
AA does have some bad parts...the Queue before I bought Patron...the gold spammers and seen some bots. Probably was one of the worst launches I've seen as well but it seems to me that they are starting to get it straightened out.
In the end I can pretty much do what I want...when I want and I don't have to quest!
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For people who say you don't have a set path in this game. I say there is. What ever you want to do in this game the higher level you are the better. What's the best way to level? Questing. With questing you get mounts, gold, clothes, weapons, a way to level your battle pet, and a tour. Yes you could skip questing and just start mining and gathering and crafting, maybe in a few weeks of doing this you would have reached a level that allows you to go in to higher level areas to more of the same or just to explore if you want or buy land and a house.
What's a brand new person going to do when they start the game? Head to the first quest giver. The quest giver won't tell them they don't have to quest to level. They will give them some xp and point them to the next quest. Sure if you played alpha or beta you know your way around questing but I bet when you first started it was with questing.
People used to be able to level well by crafting so they added LP's to crafting to make it slower. So there is a path set out for players to follow. It's beautifully hidden but it's still on rails.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
True, I every zone I go through still has a STACK of unfinished quests that I simply missed by 50. Entire zones actually went untouched quest wise, because I didn't need them.
Anyone who is relying on soloing through quests for their xp and items is, to my mind, playing this game in the same old way and then complaining for it being the same old game.
They just don't understand what AA actually is and what's possible. That's ok though, the rail road brainwashing isn't entirely their fault, the bad part is that they now have just shut off their opinion and refuse to listen to what's being explained because they are convinced that they now know it all.
Newb: Someone new to a game, but is open to being taught and will listen.
Noob: Someone who knows nothing, but is convinced they know everything and cannot be taught.