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Can We STOP with All the WOW Clone Remarks Please?
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The problem is that Wow is SO popular that it outshines any of the other games that it came from.
The main clone-thing is the quest hub, a thing that most definitely is in Rift.
In itself, it doesnt make Rift bad, it is just that it wasnt exactly an innovation, so it felt like watching a rerun of a movie.
Who wants to watch the same rerun over and over?
Doubt we will see themepark games that actually does enough innovation, to not being called a Wow-clone.
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In response to the OP, whether or not WOW invented the generic mmo features you list, it certainly popularised them and created a success that other developer's tried to emulate for years afterwards. Therefore, the phrase 'WOW-clone' is quite apt to describe the lack of innovation in the mmo market in the years following WOW.
I will continue using it.
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I don't know. Some clones earned their reputation.
There used to be a picture of Swtor's Marauder class, side by side, next to the WoW Warrior class, and the skills were literally cloned. The same could be said of Rift.
WoW clones do exist, but thankfully the genre has finally tried something new with GW2, TSW, WS, AA, etc.
Right On!! Thats far out man! right on!
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Wow Warrior is not the same as Sith Marauder.
Also SWTOR has more than 1 "Warrior" class and all of them play different than the WOW warrior.
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Don't forget Derek Smart's baby Alganon! Anyway, finally someone who understands what the word clone means....and it don't means features, cloned features would make it part of the mmorpg genre...not a wow-clone! Honestly, these folks who throw around the clone word might as well call us human-clones of each other and throw out the word species. Yeah they sound so smart....
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Well, this will probally happen once mmo's come out that don't feel like they are copy pasted from wow. As in.. I don't see this happening anytime soon. To me a wow clone is: a game where you go from quest hub to quest hub on a set path you cannot deviate from at all. Bascally the game is completly linear and on rails you cannot change directions or anything.
A decent example of a mmo that doesn't feel like a biliant wow wannabe is fallen earth, yes it has quest hubs, however, your free to go to any town you want and quest there, your not locked into one linear unchangable railride.
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.. Why?
Everythings incredibly similar.
what. are. you.
ok a few things because you are obvs a console only gamer and are new to this.
name a themepark mmo that isnt linear. i will wait.
"To me a wow clone is: a game where you go from quest hub to quest hub"
(you mean every themepark mmo before wow is a wow clone?)
ALSO in all of these you can go to any town you want not just in your game FE (btw FE sucks imo)
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Define WoW clone please
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
Well, there is linear and linear. Any game that has levelled zones is linear to some degree, in that you must finish the low level zones before you do the high ones. But in WoW, say, there is nothing to stop you starting off a human character and then heading off to do the beginning dwarf quests,
A linear game is one where at any point you have essentially one quest only available to you. Like Dragon Nest, for instance.
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Honestly, I don't know how this "wow clone" thinking started but it might just be that Blizzard invented that by theirs PR department. It benefits them quiet well because if you say something is a "wow clone" or seems like it people playing WoW won't feel need to try that game. And than you have stupid people who are indoctrinated by this society too hard and can't see behind labels like these. For ex. someone said that marauder in Swtor is a clone of Warrior from WoW. Who cares. I played both games and imo I enjoyed Swtor WAY more, no game can't be a clone, because graphics, lore etc. is ALWAYS part of the game. You can have the same skills but they look differently and are used a bit differently etc.
Innovation in this industry is almost impossible because it takes a lot of money to make something like an MMO these days so noone wants to try and fail with something really new. Prove of that was a topic once here where a guy asked about what kind of world people would like to have in an MMO, that his company is in creating such a world and would like players opinion. People said some stuff like diesel-punk atomic-punk etc. and he replied that crazy ideas like that are not possible because people wouldn't know the world, wouldn't know what is this or that. Well I don't know how about you but I play games to get out of this world and more crazy world the better, because there is more to explore. Unless developers will take their heads out of theirs a*s and stop thinking only about profits and will think about creating a great game, no real change in MMOs won't happen.
And what we see on games like Guild Wars 2 is that people who get a feeling of money tend to go just for that. GW 2 is way closer to a label "wow clone" than GW 1 ever was. GW 2 is basically the same thing as WoW was, taking good ideas from other games, putting it together and milking the customers.
Great games are RARE for one reason only, capitalism. When your focus is profit (as it is in capitalism) you can't have really good product, because quality of the product is not your concern, only profit is. Thats why we see something like EvE online still here as the only really different MMO, because they wanted to create something original and they did and its still here because noone had the balls to jump on that train of originality and make something different.
Don't take me wrong, I've enjoyed Swtor or Ragnarok online or Tera or Lineage 2 which are similar in many things, crazy original world is not necessary for a great MMO, but certainly doesn't hurt. Thinking out of the box is what created best games imo, but its also about players willing to go deep in these games and not just want to go in a familiar world to become hero as quickly as possible. Be adventurous and courageous and explore, don't just turn your brain off and play something so similar what a 5 year old can do, like WoW.
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To me SWTOR is definedtly a wow-clone (sorry)
The combat system is very similar to wow's combatsystem and it's a themepark game. The quest system is very similar exept voiced in swtor and textbased in wow.
Ofc there's a difference between a star wars themepark and a warcraft themepark, but if I were to compare SWTOR to a friend that had tried wow and GW2 and TERA and TSW, I wouldn't hesitate to call it a wow clone while ofc. pointing out the few differences.
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