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Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636

So, I just wanted to post this message to say that I was one of the people who, wayyy back, believed that because Yoshi-P was following the standard themepark model, that ARR would follow the same path. I fully expected F2P to follow not long after launch, fully on the weight of believing "well, they're doing what almost every other MMO developer since WoW has tried and failed to do. Why should SE expect any different in the current MMO market, with a playerbase as fickle as MMO gamers can tend to be?"

I'd said back then that I'd love to be wrong. I'm here now to say: I was wrong... and damn I'm happy about it.

They have been kicking much ass in developing this game, adding tons of stuff.. not just the major, top-of-the-bullet-list stuff that everyone talks about, but so many less highlighted things which also add up, but are never mentioned... at least not very "loudly". As the saying goes, "it's the little things", and in ARR so far, all the "little things" add up to be quite a lot. 

Consequently - to me - A Realm Reborn has gone from feeling like merely a Game when I first played it, to now feeling like a World. A smallish, rather limited world for now - in terms of areas to go to, etc - but still a world. That's a major distinction for me, personally. It's what I'd missed from XI and found lacking in ARR in the beginning. Well, I don't have to miss it anymore :).

I have so much stuff I want to do now, I sometimes will just stand there trying to think of what to do first. It's 180 degrees from how I felt when I first played ARR, and even when I came back for a short period, only to leave again. Somewhere along the way, this "standard post-WoW themepark" grew into something quite a bit more. ARR has come into its own.

For those who are all about end-game, all about the speed-runs, and "efficiency" and "optimization" and "server firsts" and all this... well, you may yawn when you read this. You're playing a 'different' ARR than I am, and so nothing I'm discussing is likely to even raise an eyebrow, much less any interest. That's okay, though. Good thing is, there's a whole lot of game waiting for you should you ever decide you're done with the chase, or need a break from it.

So yeah... this crow tastes great! :p

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  • GregorMcgregorGregorMcgregor Member UncommonPosts: 263
    FF was ok til it filled up with console kiddies zerging every zone. It was like "omg we finally have a mmo, all get it quick!" - as a pc elitist it was just depressing to watch :P

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  • sumdumguy1sumdumguy1 Member RarePosts: 1,373
    Originally posted by drivendawn
    Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
    FF was ok til it filled up with console kiddies zerging every zone. It was like "omg we finally have a mmo, all get it quick!" - as a pc elitist it was just depressing to watch :P

    Lol, well I'm sure half of them were PC users one of them being me.

    Since I own Both a console and PC I immaturely contribute on both sides. 

  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    I wouldn't notice any of that. I'm too busy enjoying the game. :p
  • cerulean2012cerulean2012 Member UncommonPosts: 492

    I was kinda like you.  When I first heard about FFXIV and how bad it was I couldn't say anything good.  Then about 5 months ago, for fun I checked out the game.  I watched a lot of youtube videos and read what I could and it made me interested, so I tried it with a friend and we are still having fun.

    Plus can't wait for 2.4!

  • ChrisboxChrisbox Member UncommonPosts: 1,729

    I agree, I'm very happy I bought this game and have been here to see it evolve over the patches.  I bet the expansion will be insane.

    Oh, and did you guys see this ? http://imgur.com/wAaqhGk   :D 

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  • Raven322Raven322 Member UncommonPosts: 68

    FFXIV:ARR is the best MMO available right now in my opinion.

    Yes it's a themepark, yes its a monthly fee, yes it's the best.

  • Storman1977Storman1977 Member Posts: 207

    I tried, I really did, but I just couldn't get in to the game. The world is beautiful. The story lines aren't bad. But, it just didn't grab me. Glad to see it being successful, though.

  • I didn't play this game at launch because of the non-pvp issue and 2,5 sec global cooldown. And of course when I saw Yoshida's interviews, I said oh another WoW clone... I bought it like 2 weeks ago and damn I was wrong. I'm seriously having a blast. I can't even remember the last time I've had this much fun in an mmorpg. Community is amazing. I loved the class system. Story is great. Combat is a lot better than I think. There is a pvp system right now but I don't even care. The pve content alone is amazing. There is a lot more to do and I'm not even 50 yet. I have a cute, little lalafell scholar and I love it. I can't wait to try other classes.

  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916
    Originally posted by Demogorgon
    Originally posted by Raven322

    FFXIV:ARR is the best MMO available right now in my opinion.

    Yes it's a themepark, yes its a monthly fee, yes it's the best.

    Fully agree! Why? Simply because its the only great AAA game that hasn't been swallowed by greed.

    12.99/month and no cash shop. Beat that!

    Here's where you can get the 14 days free trial ( cap lvl 20) for those that would want to see for themself.

    http://www.ffxiv-freetrial.com/us/

    Just one thing though... Know that at lvl 20, you are barely scratching the surface. Its kinda just the tutorial. The higher you go or the more you do, the game gets better and better. ( of coarse thats imho )

    Have fun! :)

    I lvoe this game. It's schoking they have a cheaper sub which only limites the number of characters you can make on a server to 1. But you will never need more than 1 char...

    There are so many things that I love about this game. IT seems that every decision Square have made, I like. I keep on levelling and I am AMAZED at how many features this game has. They keep giving you new and new stuff to do as your progress. At each point there is so much to do - level up your current class, try a new class, explore, do some of the logs, achievement hunting, dungeons, guildhests, trials, raids, primal fights, world events, BRILLIANT Crafting system, gathering classes, awesome fishing collections, housing, gardening, customising and levelling up your chocobo, collecting mini pets. It is really disgusting how much there is to do. And they keep on adding more and more. There patches are HUGE. They are even adding a brand new class and job in a freaking patch!

    Also I love how I never have to make an alt. This is the way all MMOs should be. Being able to do everything on 1 char. 

    Btw dungeons become so good and engaging later on. As a healer, I constantly hve to juggle loads of things. Dispellnig stuff is actually really important in this game and also all those things you need to dodge...

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
    FF was ok til it filled up with console kiddies zerging every zone. It was like "omg we finally have a mmo, all get it quick!" - as a pc elitist it was just depressing to watch :P

    i take it you didnt play the game at launch? the pc kiddies were pretty bad too.... and they do the same on every mmo that comes out. Trolls gonna troll.





  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860

    I really enjoyed it for just a month. It felt to linear and the areas felt enclosed to me so I quit. I kinda wish they would have gone f2p so I could try it again!  

    Glad to see a bunch of people are enjoying it though!  

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  • Sector13Sector13 Member UncommonPosts: 784
    When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 
  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by fivoroth
     

    Btw dungeons become so good and engaging later on. As a healer, I constantly hve to juggle loads of things. Dispellnig stuff is actually really important in this game and also all those things you need to dodge...

    My favorite by far, so far, is Tam Tara Hard mode. So fun, and such an awesome storyline to it.

     

    In contrast, my least liked so far is Qarn (regular mode). That one didn't really impress me. 

  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by Sector13
    When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 

    Well that's a rather sweeping remark to make. Kinda difficult to speak for an entire genre on the basis of some people's individual opinions.

    Personally, I'd say it's a great day for any MMO player if they can find one they really enjoy, be it ARR or anything else.

     

     

  • Sector13Sector13 Member UncommonPosts: 784
    Originally posted by Pratt2112
    Originally posted by Sector13
    When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 

    Well that's a rather sweeping remark to make. Kinda difficult to speak for an entire genre on the basis of some people's individual opinions.

    Personally, I'd say it's a great day for any MMO player if they can find one they really enjoy, be it ARR or anything else.

    Not really the point, but when the "best MMO out now" is nothing more then a rehash of a failed MMO that was rereleased a year later more of a clone of a 10 year old game shows how poor the MMO industry has become. If players are fine with that then that's on them but I expected more from the industry in 10 years then the same game over and over again with slightly better graphics.

  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by Sector13
    Originally posted by Pratt2112
    Originally posted by Sector13
    When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 

    Well that's a rather sweeping remark to make. Kinda difficult to speak for an entire genre on the basis of some people's individual opinions.

    Personally, I'd say it's a great day for any MMO player if they can find one they really enjoy, be it ARR or anything else.

    Not really the point, but when the "best MMO out now" is nothing more then a rehash of a failed MMO that was rereleased a year later more of a clone of a 10 year old game shows how poor the MMO industry has become. If players are fine with that then that's on them but I expected more from the industry in 10 years then the same game over and over again with slightly better graphics.

    Well, actually.. it was the point. But, you seem a bit confused.

    The whole "best MMO out now" remark is the personal opinion of individual player(s). No one in this thread is speaking on the state of the entire MMO industry. Nobody is attempting to speak for everyone. They're just sharing their own personal opinions of the game, and how they feel about it. So, for them, personally, ARR is the best MMO on the market. 

    For others, GW2 is the best on the market. For others, it's Eve... and so on. 

    Do you understand the difference now, and why it makes both your responses to that remark seem kinda... silly and moot?

    As for the rest of your post... Do you have a character I can check on the Lodestone? I'd like to see how much you've played, what you've done, and how informed your comments about the game are. If you have a character, please be sure I can view your achievements and such. Thanks.

  • NobleNerdNobleNerd Member UncommonPosts: 759
    Originally posted by drivendawn
    Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
    FF was ok til it filled up with console kiddies zerging every zone. It was like "omg we finally have a mmo, all get it quick!" - as a pc elitist it was just depressing to watch :P

    Lol, well I'm sure half of them were PC users one of them being me.

     Keep in mind this is NOT their first MMO on a console. FFXI was on the PS2 along with Xbox. This is the first HD MMO though and FFXI was a different generation.

    To the OP... I am glad you are finding excitement in the game! I too have renewed my sub with the new patch forthcoming. I may need a new guild, not sure if any are left in mine or they may have moved on.


  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by NobleNerd
    Originally posted by drivendawn
    Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
    FF was ok til it filled up with console kiddies zerging every zone. It was like "omg we finally have a mmo, all get it quick!" - as a pc elitist it was just depressing to watch :P

    Lol, well I'm sure half of them were PC users one of them being me.

     Keep in mind this is NOT their first MMO on a console. FFXI was on the PS2 along with Xbox. This is the first HD MMO though and FFXI was a different generation.

    To the OP... I am glad you are finding excitement in the game! I too have renewed my sub with the new patch forthcoming. I may need a new guild, not sure if any are left in mine or they may have moved on.

    Indeed!

    What server are you on, Noble? If you're on Hyperion, I can hook you up with an awesome FC (mine, of course :p). A great group of people. It's a large group, and pretty much active around the clock - even with a chunk of them off playing Destiny for now. 

    In any case, let me know! PM me with your character name and/or catch me in-game on my character, which is in my sig.

    Otherwise, I hope you find a good and active new FC!

     

     

  • BoneserinoBoneserino Member UncommonPosts: 1,768
    Originally posted by Pratt2112
    Originally posted by Sector13
    Originally posted by Pratt2112
    Originally posted by Sector13
    When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 

    Well that's a rather sweeping remark to make. Kinda difficult to speak for an entire genre on the basis of some people's individual opinions.

    Personally, I'd say it's a great day for any MMO player if they can find one they really enjoy, be it ARR or anything else.

    Not really the point, but when the "best MMO out now" is nothing more then a rehash of a failed MMO that was rereleased a year later more of a clone of a 10 year old game shows how poor the MMO industry has become. If players are fine with that then that's on them but I expected more from the industry in 10 years then the same game over and over again with slightly better graphics.

    Well, actually.. it was the point. But, you seem a bit confused.

    The whole "best MMO out now" remark is the personal opinion of individual player(s). No one in this thread is speaking on the state of the entire MMO industry. Nobody is attempting to speak for everyone. They're just sharing their own personal opinions of the game, and how they feel about it. So, for them, personally, ARR is the best MMO on the market. 

    For others, GW2 is the best on the market. For others, it's Eve... and so on. 

    Do you understand the difference now, and why it makes both your responses to that remark seem kinda... silly and moot?

    As for the rest of your post... Do you have a character I can check on the Lodestone? I'd like to see how much you've played, what you've done, and how informed your comments about the game are. If you have a character, please be sure I can view your achievements and such. Thanks.

    You do realize that you are coming down on him for stating the exact same things that you were saying initially?

    People in glass houses....

     

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  • ChrisboxChrisbox Member UncommonPosts: 1,729
    Originally posted by Sector13
    Originally posted by Pratt2112
    Originally posted by Sector13
    When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 

    Well that's a rather sweeping remark to make. Kinda difficult to speak for an entire genre on the basis of some people's individual opinions.

    Personally, I'd say it's a great day for any MMO player if they can find one they really enjoy, be it ARR or anything else.

    Not really the point, but when the "best MMO out now" is nothing more then a rehash of a failed MMO that was rereleased a year later more of a clone of a 10 year old game shows how poor the MMO industry has become. If players are fine with that then that's on them but I expected more from the industry in 10 years then the same game over and over again with slightly better graphics.

    It being a themepark also doesn't make it a WoW clone.  Same goes for sandboxes, just because both games have Full loot pvp doesn't mean they're a clone of eachother.  As a serious themepark player for me FFXIV outdoes WoW in many aspects which is why many others including myself have subbed to it. Class design, actual story, music, pve content, update schedule, etc.  

    So yes, the best MMO out for a lot of people right now is a reboot of a failed game.  Remind me again what exactly that means? Nothing.  It has absolutely no effect on the game today.  FFXIV:ARR is an extremely solid themepark, sorry to hear that's not your cup of tea.  

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  • Sector13Sector13 Member UncommonPosts: 784
    Originally posted by Chrisbox
    Originally posted by Sector13
    Originally posted by Pratt2112
    Originally posted by Sector13
    When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 

    Well that's a rather sweeping remark to make. Kinda difficult to speak for an entire genre on the basis of some people's individual opinions.

    Personally, I'd say it's a great day for any MMO player if they can find one they really enjoy, be it ARR or anything else.

    Not really the point, but when the "best MMO out now" is nothing more then a rehash of a failed MMO that was rereleased a year later more of a clone of a 10 year old game shows how poor the MMO industry has become. If players are fine with that then that's on them but I expected more from the industry in 10 years then the same game over and over again with slightly better graphics.

    It being a themepark also doesn't make it a WoW clone.  Same goes for sandboxes, just because both games have Full loot pvp doesn't mean they're a clone of eachother.  As a serious themepark player for me FFXIV outdoes WoW in many aspects which is why many others including myself have subbed to it. Class design, actual story, music, pve content, update schedule, etc.  

    So yes, the best MMO out for a lot of people right now is a reboot of a failed game.  Remind me again what exactly that means? Nothing.  It has absolutely no effect on the game today.  FFXIV:ARR is an extremely solid themepark, sorry to hear that's not your cup of tea.  

    I find it funny that you keep going on about themepark like I said that was a problem or even brought it up at all. Also, if you need it to be explained why people considering FFXIV the best MMO out right now then you obviously don't expect much to come from your MMO games besides pretty graphics and exclamation points. 

  • Sector13Sector13 Member UncommonPosts: 784
    Originally posted by Pratt2112
    Originally posted by Sector13
    Originally posted by Pratt2112
    Originally posted by Sector13
    When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 

    Well that's a rather sweeping remark to make. Kinda difficult to speak for an entire genre on the basis of some people's individual opinions.

    Personally, I'd say it's a great day for any MMO player if they can find one they really enjoy, be it ARR or anything else.

    Not really the point, but when the "best MMO out now" is nothing more then a rehash of a failed MMO that was rereleased a year later more of a clone of a 10 year old game shows how poor the MMO industry has become. If players are fine with that then that's on them but I expected more from the industry in 10 years then the same game over and over again with slightly better graphics.

    Well, actually.. it was the point. But, you seem a bit confused.

    The whole "best MMO out now" remark is the personal opinion of individual player(s). No one in this thread is speaking on the state of the entire MMO industry. Nobody is attempting to speak for everyone. They're just sharing their own personal opinions of the game, and how they feel about it. So, for them, personally, ARR is the best MMO on the market. 

    For others, GW2 is the best on the market. For others, it's Eve... and so on. 

    Do you understand the difference now, and why it makes both your responses to that remark seem kinda... silly and moot?

    As for the rest of your post... Do you have a character I can check on the Lodestone? I'd like to see how much you've played, what you've done, and how informed your comments about the game are. If you have a character, please be sure I can view your achievements and such. Thanks.

    I like how you like to speak for me, when I say the remark "best MMO out now" I am speaking for anyone that believes that in general, not speaking for the entire industry, didn't realize I had to be so specific with my words for you to understand. I will try to be more clear since you apparently take everything literally. For your last question, lol. You going to say your opinion is better then mine cause you played it more? Hate to tell you, that's not how opinions work. 

    I beta tested the game, had plenty of time to play it and it didn't get better. 

  • ChrisboxChrisbox Member UncommonPosts: 1,729
    Originally posted by Sector13
    Originally posted by Chrisbox
    Originally posted by Sector13
    Originally posted by Pratt2112
    Originally posted by Sector13
    When FFXIV:ARR is considered the best MMO out is a sad day for MMOs. 

    Well that's a rather sweeping remark to make. Kinda difficult to speak for an entire genre on the basis of some people's individual opinions.

    Personally, I'd say it's a great day for any MMO player if they can find one they really enjoy, be it ARR or anything else.

    Not really the point, but when the "best MMO out now" is nothing more then a rehash of a failed MMO that was rereleased a year later more of a clone of a 10 year old game shows how poor the MMO industry has become. If players are fine with that then that's on them but I expected more from the industry in 10 years then the same game over and over again with slightly better graphics.

    It being a themepark also doesn't make it a WoW clone.  Same goes for sandboxes, just because both games have Full loot pvp doesn't mean they're a clone of eachother.  As a serious themepark player for me FFXIV outdoes WoW in many aspects which is why many others including myself have subbed to it. Class design, actual story, music, pve content, update schedule, etc.  

    So yes, the best MMO out for a lot of people right now is a reboot of a failed game.  Remind me again what exactly that means? Nothing.  It has absolutely no effect on the game today.  FFXIV:ARR is an extremely solid themepark, sorry to hear that's not your cup of tea.  

    I find it funny that you keep going on about themepark like I said that was a problem or even brought it up at all. Also, if you need it to be explained why people considering FFXIV the best MMO out right now then you obviously don't expect much to come from your MMO games besides pretty graphics and exclamation points. 

    "A clone of a 10 year old game shows how poor the MMO industry has become".  Here you imply that FFXIV is a WoW clone. "..I expected more from the industry in 10 years then the same game over and over again" According to your fantastic logic all a game has to do is share the same genre to be a clone This is again all of your words, and your logic. As you can see I was not just pulling these things out of my arse, you brought themeparks up plenty even though you may not have used the term.  

    The red highlight isn't even english.  

    I'm not sure where you gathered the information of me only caring about graphics and quests though in my MMO games.  I gave several examples of why I prefer FFXIV over WoW which are both themepark games and none of which consisted of graphics or quests.  I've greatly enjoyed many MMOs with terrible or subpar graphics by modern standards.

    I assume you were trying to say every new MMO to launch is just another quest based title with improved graphics which is half true, but as you can see from my extensive list of games that I'm currently playing *sarcasm alert* I clearly don't play just any MMO that has high graphics and quests. I'd probably be deep into TERA if that was the case.  

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  • RaquisRaquis Member RarePosts: 1,029

    ill try ffxv and I played a view ff games but the questing that was sush a negative for me,i mean giving letters and cookies and calling a npc to follow you 100 meters just made me so angry asif the questing was there just to fill the game.

    I will never play it again,i like the over the top animations a ff games maybe ffxv will be better.

    going to buy a ps4 for bloodborne so I may just aswell try ffxv.

  • ZenTaoYingYangZenTaoYingYang Member Posts: 354

    I love this game and although i stopped playing in the first few months, I came back later and found out how much has changed and just could not stop playing, I wont repeat the good things about the game because many players in this thread mentioned them.

     

    on the subject of being best MMO and not the best MMO, statistics always wins, not only from the rating here , IGN, metacritic and so on but you can do your own research:

     

    click this:

     

    http://steamcommunity.com/app/39210/reviews/?p=1&browsefilter=mostrecent

     

    you will find something really interesting that might not be shown in other statistic polls, all negative and I mean ALL negative reviews about the game is people with less than 10 or so hours playtime, otherwise 99.999% of the people who have more then 20+ hours you will find their reviews recommending this game.

     

    tdlr: if you can not pass the tutorial part and reach mid game, you will be more likely to give a negative review of the game, however, if you reach the higher levels and unlock most of the content , you will almost likely going to give this game a good review.

     

     

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