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DrunkenW
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/30/denmark.cartoon.ap/index.html
Let's support Denmark and counter the middle-east boycot of danish products.
Respect is not a oneway road.
Feel free to drop a comment on the matter.
Suggestion for superbowl: Ham/chesse sandwich with lots of danish beer.
Buttercookies and bacon also has great chance of being danish import.
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Hey bro.
Thanks for supporting denmark(yea I'm danish)
If it were up to me, we should stop sending resources, money(lots of them), give shelter to saudi arabes and we should suggest to EU that we totally boycutt their goods. It would ruin their economy.
We can say sorry for sending money.
We can say sorry for helping people with healthcare.
We can say sorry for helping people with starting new lives in Denmark.
BUT we won't say sorry for our god given freedom of speech!
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I'm danish too... And thanks for supporting us
This whole Muhammed-drawings issue is going to be very interresting. As mentioned a Norwigian newspaper also posted the drawings as well as a french newspaper. All muslim countries is going to starve to death if they are going to boycut every product from the countries which post these (funny) drawings..
I guess they just don't understand the humor that we danish people have..
Anyways... No dictatorship is going to decide what a danish newspaper is posting!
Btw: And I've heard that some muslim countries gave danish citizens who live in thier country 48 hours to get out of the country. Oh well... lets do the same in Denmark? Give all muslims 48 hours to get out of the country? Actually imigrants make 10 % of the danish population...
Kudos to the Danes for standing up for freedom of speech. I'll be making a point of buying Danish products when I can.
A rather depressing example of French spinelessness:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4672642.stm
I think it was outrageous of the newspapers to post the pictures. Don't come with the shit of "freedom of speech" and all that. Even if I have the right to say what I want, I don't go around insulting everyone, or scream racistic messages in the streets. Everyone knows that it's the worst thing for a muslim. The only purpose of these pictures is a insult. And the pictures aren't even "proper" pictures, it's cartoons. Some website in USA have even started to post pictures where Muhammed is pictured as a pedofile. If you want to take the debate around the muslims and their way of life, you can atleast do it in a proper and repectful way. How would the christians react if New York Times printed a picture of Jesus raping Mariah on the frontpage?
It's not right that the muslims now want to hurt Norwegian and Danish people. Both Norway and Denmark had to withdraw people from the middleeast. A Norwegian council was also closed today when 2 extreme groups threathened to even it with the ground.
It has been done bad things on both sides. And I will not support any of the sides.
It's also a well known fact that the danish have the most extreme immigration politics in the nordic countries.
Yes. It's stupid to post insulting photos. I agree.
But
They act like all danes are the ones posting/creating those images. They are mad at all danes. Some even want to hurt. They burn our flag.
Then I say
How many times have the not f***** with us? How many times have they not called us infidels and insulted us on and on again.
If we were to react the with the same amount of rage they do, whenever they insult or harm us, we should carpet bomb the whole friggin' middle east!
I'm not saying that we should carpet bomb the middle, nor that we should react the same way as them, since that will just lower us to their level... but I simply can't understand how they can blame and be mad on all of Denmark? Even if they follow that eye for an eye bullshit, they should only blame the guilty ones.
What I then want
I want the muslims to forgive and forget, or else I want denmark to cut all support to the muslims. Hell we could probably get much of europe with us since they are also blaming France and norway.
Also
You said:
It's also a well known fact that the danish have the most extreme immigration politics in the nordic countries.
Yeah, but about 9% if i remember correctly, of the total population is foreign. If we didn't have a strict policy we would be overrun.
Try to reversing the situation. If danes knocked on the doors of the middle east what would happen? Beheadding unless you convert. If you convert, you still wouldn't be considered a true muslim, you would be met with a lot of hostility.
Those who make it in Denmark are presented with a considerable amount of money each month, help finding a job, free education, free medical services, apartments and other benifits.
How do they repay us? Acting extremely hostile in other contries, make a lot of trouble in our country(47% of all youth crimes were comitted by immigrants. That means they are about 9 times as criminal as us) and then spit on us?
No. Of course it's not all immigrants that's like that. But a great part of them is. That's the truth. Still we don't generalize in Denmark.
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Hi
Just wanted to add this. Here's a bunch of guys from the muslim world, that stands up for Denmark. Jesus, imagine the risk they're takin.
http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/lets-boycott-boycott.html
First of all, do some research. There have been cartoons posted in Muslim papers (in the US) that depicted the Virgin Mary exposing her breasts in a sexually provactive manner. Second, yes, free speech is the issue here. Big deal if it offends a group of people; it is still the right in a democratic country to say/draw/whatever about what group of people they wish.
Muslims down Christians all the time without repricution. Why cannot someone represent Mohammed, a self-proclaimed general who murdered thousands, was historically a rapist and practioner of bigotry be made fun of or misrepresented?
Now, for the Muslims who misunderstand the cartoon, it was directed to the Islamic extremists. They are the ones who perverted Islam with their extremist beliefs and they are the ones that this cartoon is directed to, not the entire Islamic religion.
With that said....mmmmmm Danish beer.
Mohammed is to the muslims what Jesus/God is to christians. It's their most holy thing, and they have a rule that you can't make pictures of him. A simple religious rule. Just like the bible says "You shall not have any other god than me". I don't see why this rule has to be the target of a freedom of speech campaign. Like most western people I don't think some of the things in Islam are correct. I believe in freedom of speech. But there is something called ethics too. And being blasfemic isn't the correct way of taking a debate about freedom of speech. It's like hitting somebody in the face at the start of a conversation. The conversation will not be friendly after that.
It has been big in the media here in Norway. Logically. And in some cases I have been really sad and ashamed of the things that are being said. I heard a radio debate today, where they let people call in and debate with a Imam. It was almost so bad that I wanted to call to the radio show and ask them to stop it. I haven't heard more shit being thrown at the muslims from Christians in a long time. Specially one lady was really bad. She was calling all people in the middle east for lowlife and scum. No wonder muslims get angry when stuff like that is broadcasted nationwide *shakes head*. It's more shit throwig than a debate.
Today after the friday prayers many muslim religious leaders have gone out and said that common sence should be restored, and that their followers shouldn't do anything stupid. But they still want a apology. Wich I think is fair. The shitthrowers should apologies and the muslims should stop making threaths and revolting. Then take a fair debate.
I think many of your comments are disgraceful.
Phoenix I see your point and raise with 100%. But you fail to see the big picture.
Based down like this: Imagine yourself visiting a middle-east nation, that being Saudi A., Iraq or whatever. The women there are extremly supressed and ofcourse being from a Western country you would find this wrong. Eventhough you'd have all respect for it, because it's their culture. You simply dont have the right to interfear.
Why is it that well-argumented, good and enlighted spirits like yourself absolutly fail to see this very important point that this is IMO all about.
Thanks
-W
I think it's fair to take a debate, question it. I don't like it either, something has to be done about it. But being blasfemic, insulting and just trying to get the muslims as angry as you possible can. Is in no way helping. This hasn't been a debate. It's just insults being thrown at the muslims. What I want to see is a good and educated debate. The muslim world is never going to give their people more rights, if this is the way the west approaches it. The islamic society needs modernisation, but we have to make them realice it in civilized ways.
JoHosephat:
Mohammad is like god on earth. It's like christians Jesus. He is a very, very important person in Islam.
I sure the Quran says that pictures of god and prophets is not allowed.
Yeah, but the muslims are way too overreacting. Today(or yesterday) 100 to 300 muslims trying to raid the danish embassy with the intentions(as their banners and drawing say) to slaughter the leader of the ambassy.
The dane though managed to talk them to peace, and they walked away with no blood spilled.
Muslims often talk down to christians, if we were to immigrate to a country like Saudi A. we had two choices:
A. Convert
B. Beheading
It's that simple.
First of all I wouldn't like none of this to have happend, but it there's nothing to do about that now. How many times haven't christian missionaries been killing in their countries, how many times haven't they spit upon the western culture and how many times haven't they referred to us as the infidels. By calling christians infidels, you insult their faith and beliefs.
To quote a danes letter to a newspaper:
Sorry, because we gave you shelter and help
Sorry, because we are educating you
Sorry, because we are helping you economical
Sorry, because you are free to pratice your relion in our christian country
Sorry, we are sending help to your countries
Sorry, because we don't demand blood vengeance for the murder on our fellow, commited by muslims.
Sorry, because we don't run around with explosives attached to our bodies, when we fell insulted
Sorry, because we just don't do what your religion says
But an excuse to express ourselves in our country after our own laws - That you will never get
No matter how much you twist and turn it, they are way overreacting.
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Yes, the muslims overeact. I in noway support their actions.
A. Christians also want others to convert. Hence the missionaries all over the world.
B. A few posts ago you (I think) asked why the muslims judge all Danes based on the action of a few? Here you judge all muslims based on a few extremists.
I don't like this thinking. I don't know how to describe it, but it's so selfish. You can't think like that, what about the assets these people bring back into your society? I don't like the "we did that for you, now we want that" way of thinking. It just feels so wrong for me to think like that.
Not a few. No. We have 1 creator of the drawing, 1 journalist writing the story and 1 editor. That's 3 people. They blame all of denmark. Many of them. We see stores all over the Saudi A. boycutting us, we see thousands of the muslims demostratin against denmark.
As i also said before. It's not all muslims. But just think about the statistics in denmark. The young immigrants are about 10 times as criminal as the young danes.
Well... at least Saudi A. is gonna run out of butter...
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Interesting article on the issue here: http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAF58.htm
There have been demonstrations by some muslims outside the BBC (apparently they showed a fleeting glimpse of the cartoons at some point). Placards carried by the demonstrators called for the annihilation of Europeans and the beheading of infidels etc - all the usual tiresome vitriol that spews from the mouths of these people whenever they're given a platform to broadcast their hatred. They certainly seem to enjoy freedom of speech when it comes to venting their collective spleen against Western nations, and they do so unmolested. I find it hard to accept and it makes my blood boil, but that is what freedom of speech is and if I have to accept it then I expect them to too.
In any case, there seems something false and opportunistic in their reaction - the fanatics always seem a little too happy to take to the stage and hijack the muslim identity to suit their own anti-Western agenda, and the news shows love to broadcast the drama of it all. But lets face it, if you're offended because you feel a cartoon implies that all muslims are terrorists, you don't respond with death threats because doing so only confirms that the implication is correct. So obviously, their offence is at best exaggerated and at worst utterly phoney. Sadly, caught in the middle of the whole absurd situation are those ordinary devout muslims whose faith is genuine rather than something cynically hijacked to spread hate, whose offence is probably deep and heart-felt but who will only become more isolated because their voices aren't heard over the din of the baying rabid dogs who presume to speak on their behalf.
[quote]Originally posted by Mandolin
[b]Interesting article on the issue here: [url=http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAF58.htm]
There have been demonstrations by some muslims outside the BBC (apparently they showed a fleeting glimpse of the cartoons at some point). Placards carried by the demonstrators called for the annihilation of Europeans and the beheading of infidels etc - all the usual tiresome vitriol that spews from the mouths of these people whenever they're given a platform to broadcast their hatred. They certainly seem to enjoy freedom of speech when it comes to venting their collective spleen against Western nations, and they do so unmolested. I find it hard to accept and it makes my blood boil, but that is what freedom of speech is and if I have to accept it then I expect them to too.
In any case, there seems something false and opportunistic in their reaction - the fanatics always seem a little too happy to take to the stage and hijack the muslim identity to suit their own anti-Western agenda, and the news shows love to broadcast the drama of it all. But lets face it, if you're offended because you feel a cartoon implies that all muslims are terrorists, you don't respond with death threats because doing so only confirms that the implication is correct. So obviously, their offence is at best exaggerated and at worst utterly phoney. Sadly, caught in the middle of the whole absurd situation are those ordinary devout muslims whose faith is genuine rather than something cynically hijacked to spread hate, whose offence is probably deep and heart-felt but who will only become more isolated because their voices aren't heard over the din of the baying rabid dogs who presume to speak on their behalf.[/b][/quote]
You are so right. I totally concur with what you've just said!
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Where can I actually see these pictures? Because I have no idea what to think about this right now.
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No Userbar here, sorry to disappoint.
http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/baggrund/article.php?id=3575894
there's one.
And another one:
http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/baggrund/article.php?id=3293352
I've found a site with all the drawings:
Muhammed drawings
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Superbowl?
That's some kind of extreme lawn bowling tourney, or the equivalent thereof?
Forum signatures are stupid and annoying. I've turned mine off.
Except from one of those drawings. I find nothing worth threatening to kill people about, but I'm not Muslim, so what the hell would I know?
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No Userbar here, sorry to disappoint.
I wouldn't even find one of these pictures worth mentioning.
Now they've destroyed a consulat, an ambassy and are know threatening western people and christians in their countries. The danish foreignminister is now advicing danes to leave the eastern countries as soon as possible, and are telling danes to stay indoors till the travel has been planned.
My opinion is that we should reinstate the use of napalm and send a squadron of the B-2 Stealth bomber down there to carpet bomb the masses protesting. That will teach them.
Anyways I hope that no western man or woman is hurt(but I don't give a **** for those muslims), and that the whole west boycut the middle east. If they try to pass our border we shoot em.
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The reason they blame all of Denmark is because they think the danish government is controling the danish media, like it's done in thier country...
Nice to see a educated comment. With respect to other people and some common sence.
And I'm wondering why this world is still stuck in a stinking shithole.
Nice to see a educated comment. With respect to other people and some common sence.
And I'm wondering why this world is still stuck in a stinking shithole.
Normally I wouldn't say things like that. Really. But they are just pissing me off with all their BS!
I can't really make out why you keep defending the muslims in this case? I has nothing to do with some drawings, but about that the muslims somehow want respect from the rest of the world. Or perhaps that the imames(don't know the english word, but its a muslim kind-of priest) are fighting for power by trying to control the masses?
The ambassies in Syrien was burned to the grund. USA has confirmed that, that they wouldn't be able to do that without help from the government.
If they think killing people, burning buildings, claiming unrightful excuses and threatning nations will gain them anything they are wrong. I simply can't understand why they act this way.
Are you a muslim? Tell me why muslims are so enraged now? Because it can't be the drawings.
I don't wonder why the world is in a stinking shithole. But I don't need to say why, since you probably already know.
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