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2004 WOW, 2014 WOW...Is it my fault?
Kopogero
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I think not. Have I played completely different MMO's prior to WOW that I've enjoyed far more like Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies? Yes.
From January 11th, 2011 to December 20th 2014 I have not spent a dime on a new MMO and it's just saddening the state of the genre, truly is. But, as thread states, is it my fault? I'll continue to fund WOW and Blizz for what they've done. Let's be real, if WOW was not today, what else I would be left to play out there?
Many blame WOW for the state of the genre and how many copy it, but that's not my or Blizz fault. So, it is what it is...P2W and cheating/botting has dominated this genre over the years. Rushed, hyped products with little value and empty promises...2014 imo was the best example for most MMO gamers to truly see the state of the genre and learn to appreciate and value some of the few choices we have left like WOW, Path of Exile (not a MMO but close) as example.
P.S: I truly was into Star Citizen early this year. I was following it closely and hyped, but all the shipmart they have running quickly made me lose any hype I had going for that game. What truly is saddening is that Asian/Korean countries seem far ahead when developing MMO's these days. From Black Desert to Lost Ark...I never even played Blade & Soul. Lineage 3? Idk, it seems like they have a lot going on, which again is good for us gamers.
Free to play is very difficult model to run, but props to SOE for attempting it with Everquest Next...I just have a strong feeling it will backfire. If the game cost like $30 with $7 monthly fee, imo would be the perfect and simple monetizing model that would work for them.
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I personally see nothing wrong with the genre. Right now I can think of at least 6 games I would love to be able to play all at the same time! There are many others I could play and be happy with as well.
Everyone keeps beating up the genre, and comparing games from the past. Many of those games are still there to play. I hear epic tales of DAoC and how superior it was, but no one plays it. To me it's the players, not the genre.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Then play other games. MMOs are not the only entertainment out there. Entertainment always have trends ... just like super hero movies are all the craze now. No dev in the market owe you a game you like.
Personally, i like the trend of moving away from classical MMO and do new stuff like a hybrid of ARPG & mmo elements, or other types of online games.
Yes, you can easily claim it's the gamers, cuz when I was 6 year old I would play if not every single NES, SNES, Gameboy, arcade and playstation game I could grab my hands on and have a blast with. Thing is as I kept growing up and the online multiplayer thing game, then the massive MORPG's with persistent, open worlds, it was natural to raise the bar and be more picky with what I get myself involved with. It's like once you experience the best you try not to settle with rest unless the rest is the best possible option or I don't have anything else to do to kill my free time.
As a veteran player I have the ability to make far more valid choices with far less regrets. I spend far less and I vote with my valet wisely in what direction I want this market to head toward. Yes, I could still play pong and tetris today and enjoy for what they offer and I'll continue since they are free if they give me close to the same value of entertainment than something else where I have to spend $ for.
And I have, Path of Exile and even played Need for Speed World before that for some period. Point is MMORPG's have the most potential to deliver and to offer the most for the player in a single game...it's sad to see that no company/developer have took this advantage and potential and made it to fruition, beside WOW which by the way is best example just how much $ you can earn back if you invest and continue to invest and build your product.
While you enjoy WoW, others find it bored and they are playing the MMOs and games that they enjoy and love.
AS much as I loved playing Anarchy Online and SWG and even Vanilla / TBC WoW, And for all the crusading I do for those style of play in an MMORPG, I have to admit, I'm having fun in SWTOR right now. But that's not to say I'm thrilled with the current state of MMOs. As it is, from the launch of WoD, I've had to force myself to log in and play. I finally gave up and canceled my WoW sub. Don't ask me why I like SWTOR and not WoW. I can't tell you.
I love how in the very first sentence of your article you absolve yourself of any wrong doing.
This is where I stopped paying attention.
Korean MMO's are in no way advanced, just play ArcheAge for confirmation. Black Desert is the exception to the rule as it's the only decent looking game in a sea of garbage. It's true WoW is really the only decent choice atm, especially since they launched a successful expansion during an MMO drought.
They are the only ones that seem to "get it" for the past decade so why not pay them for it? In fact, Wow is so succesful that even far inferior clones manage to turn a profit, e.g Rift and LoTRO. We don't keep funding WoW because we're hopeless fanbois, we fund it because every other developer has failed so completely regardless of budgets both big and small.
I'm feeling the same. I feel like I'm having to force myself to log in to do garrison maintenance. WoD offers nothing beyond garrison and Highmaul for a PvEer, which garrison is forced if you want to pursue any sort of crafting or additional chances at raid loot since the rng on personal loot is horrid. Which if it weren't for that I wouldn't even bother with garrisons as I have no real interest in it.
Which is why I'm really hoping the EQN delivers their promise of an explorable world with meaningful PvE events happening around the world that brings back an open world that one needs to explore vs a tiny as world where one just sits in their private instance while waiting for queues or raid night with their guild with a gutted uncustomizable class.
I wouldn't even go that far. Black Desert isnt more innovative then AA was or others that came before it. It just has shinier graphics.
"Potential" cannot be played, and it is just a mirage. A lot of stuff sounds good on paper, and eventually they may fall short of expectation, may be too expensive to implement, or what-not.
It is not sad to me ... since I am plenty of fun entertainment, and I don't worry about what may or may not be good if someone just does something different.
And while WoW is a good example of a good investment ... started many years ago ... Blizz is not making new MMOs anymore. That should tell you something.
It's worth noting that many of the older games still running (EQ, DAoC etc) have changed greatly over the years. Many have adopted or made shifts to more closely resemble the market leaders.
Last time I went back to EQ the game was a very different beast from it's heydey with quests littering the landscape (NPCs even being marked as quest givers), loot drops being thrown at you and everything being scaled down in required players in order to continue with it's diminished playerbase.
The only way to play the games as they were is hope somebody creates an emulator of some form with the consent of the original devs, many of which are not always as close as some would like. It's not just nostalgia, the games many drone on about on these forums simply do not exist as they did anymore.
I'm not however saying those games were perfect, they weren't, however there really is very little out there currently trying to break the mold and move the genre forward beyond making the game superficially more attractive. Though on that score we the players are to blame, as we keep throwing money at shallow pretty games and wonder why shallow pretty games are being produced.
Blizz not making MMOs is more likely a sign that with the current market leader (by some margin in the western market) they do not see the benefit of releasing another game that will compete directly with their own product when they could be producing games to appeal to a different audience.
WoW is an extremely good investment. Thats probably the biggest reason they are not making a new MMO. It would not make sense to compete with yourself from a business perspective.
Try playing the Korean version of ArcheAge rather than the BS TrionWorlds version. Vastly different gameplay and experience.
WoW is just part of the reason gaming is in a sorry state. 2004 to 2014, do you think the player base is the same? 2004 to 2014 do you think revenue systems have changed?
The second paragraph make me wonder at your mental capacity. Apparently you think EQ1 2014 is THE SAME GAME as EQ1 2004. The same for DAoC and AoC and AC1, and WAR, and... Please, get a clue and stop that nonsense.
AS for the topic:
Your fault? Yes. I present for my opinion a video by Sharm: Still Subscribed. It's over 3 years old, yet still appropriate
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
MMORPGs I've played in the last six months:
Mental capacity? That isn't necessary. Something you don't understand and you take unnecessary jabs at other members. All I meant was people hate the current state of the genre but do nothing to play games that are still operating from the past. That is all, there was nothing deep or mind blowing that it required your insult.
edit: and I am not "bugged" in the slightest about your unhappiness. If you don't like things the way they are that's your deal, not mine, don't play. /shrug
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Gaming is in a very good state. Some of the best games I've ever played were released in the last couple of years. Oh sure there's been some stinkers, but that's hardly exclusive to recent years.
A sorry state would be akin to the one just before the crash in '83, and modern gaming is nowhere near that threshold.
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Gaming is only in a sorry state for those who can't find something fun to play .... which is not me. I have a whole list of games on my steam account that i don't have time to finish.
Gaming is in a great state for me.
Clearly it's the internet's fault... if there was no internet, this discussion would be moot... there would be no discussion.
Case closed.
I disagree. I don't come to this site just because there are no games to play, I come here to share new games, features, and general ideas with other players. Coming to this site is not a due to lack of playable games. Even if there was a super game that everyone played, I would hope that people would still come here and discuss mmorpgs.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.