It's unfortunate that some individuals at the top of the food chain don't know when to step back. If any of you know of Derek Smart from games like Alganon, you know what I'm talking about. He went as far as posting and editing forum inputs for that game. He would troll the trolls and become part of what his team should have been policing. Anyway, I wouldn't let what someone says decide the outcome of my game making decision, but it sure doesn't help the development team.
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Originally posted by JemAs666 Yeah I see no problems with his tweets. Don't like their rules, don't play their game. It really is that simple. No one is forcing you to play EA games. Hell I may buy into EA just because the OP made this post.
See this is exactly why so many walked away from SOE, that is exactly what they say to their customers.
Was in business for 22 years and to this day if you want to be a success then you have to at least make the customer feel like they are always right. SOE has a habit of telling their customers where they can go, more so from this jerk.
No, this is the problem with society. The customer is far from right all the time. I guess I see your point in making them feel they are right. I respect Smed more for holding his balls in hand than licking customer butts.
Customers are not always right, sometimes they are D-Bags. If I didnt buy a game every time a game company had an employee was a loud mouth jurk, I would no longer have games to play. Smed is just a straight shooter, you see what you get. I like him flaws and all.
Originally posted by JemAs666 Yeah I see no problems with his tweets. Don't like their rules, don't play their game. It really is that simple. No one is forcing you to play EA games. Hell I may buy into EA just because the OP made this post.
See this is exactly why so many walked away from SOE, that is exactly what they say to their customers.
Was in business for 22 years and to this day if you want to be a success then you have to at least make the customer feel like they are always right. SOE has a habit of telling their customers where they can go, more so from this jerk.
Actually, I can respect them for this attitude, some people need to be told to piss off, too much entitlement in folks these days, and too many like the OP looking for reasons to justify decisions they've already long since made.
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Originally posted by TribeofOne well, Smed had already been talking about how they were and still are in his opinion to "generous" with PS2 monetization and made to many concessions. They are going build and release H1Z1 with a NEED to spend money even if it means p2w
The sooner you guys realize that "free" to play is never free the happier you'll be. Most are not even "free to try" any more.
please do not include me in your "you guys" statement..I would be happier is F2P didnt exist . I would much rather pay a sub, even a sub higher that 15$/m for a whole game with no need for the nickel and dime used car sale pitch type deal we have now because of the "welfare gamers"
Wow, ok ,umm.
I think I might be able to shed light on your situations. It has nothing to do with welfare gamers imo. I think it has to do with the fact, that gamers today, love the spice of life, which is variety. Most people dont wanna sub to more then 1 game at a time.
Sorry for the hijack, but that "welfare player" ugh, disgusting........
I have 2 children, 1 of the plays WoW. As did I. So were talking 2 fully upgraded accounts, and the nshe has all the mounts and pets from blizzard store on her account, now add in several years of subs. Then theres race changes, server transfers, insta 90, were talking in the thousands of dollars here. I dont mind paying money for entertainment. But BUT there comes a time, when WoW doesnt cut it. For me or her.
She will branch of too tera (she has 1 store bought mount) and has played that for several months. If it had a sub, would i pay for that and WoW? No. Why? because 1 sub is enough. She doesnt wanna play WoW everyday, but she wants to play every week. Theres more important things in life, then video games. But can some money be shed there, sure!
I used to branch to zero online, which was mega pay to win. But recenty closed (Damn you TQ) Would i wanna pay for another sub myself. No. But I like breaks from WoW as well.
Now your debate again is f2p being for welfare, ummm,last a checked the biggest spenders flock to those games, cause just like in real life. money is power. I think the REAL problem is, you cant keep up with the p2w players, so you dismiss these games as a whole.
No, your gonna say, oh well I could if i wanted to, but its stupid. IMO, yes it is. In theres its not. Its also there money. They choose when and were its used. Would I? If I had it damn right! But I dont, im not rich, Im average soooooo : )
Basically what I am saying, is that companies understand, that people dont want to commit to many games by paying subs, as a whole. Some might not mind, but me not so much. 1 is plenty! BUT i love free to play games, cause when I pick them up, and play and enjoy them, oh look a cash shop! Oh man that items coll, ching ching! Hey I have it now awesome! I can tell you right now, excluding WoW.......cause its the god of MMO right now, these free 2 play games, are tearing the charts apart with there income. Way more then they would with a standard sub fee.
So in conclusion, welfare gamers..............maybe your over tired and your brain isnt thinking clear? Get some sleep. Its good for you! Its not because of "poor people" its because people will spend more then a sub to get what they want in the long run. Amazing business practice, and MMO is a business. And IMO its the right way to go. Give everyone a chance to play.
You dont wanna be that short skinny kid that doesnt get picked for the team because of his stature. Everyone should be included.
Its funny how people do not really truly understand that f2p+p2w cash shops actually make more money than p2p/b2p+cash shop. Which is why I do not like the f2p genre, its too greed oriented.
Originally posted by TribeofOne well, Smed had already been talking about how they were and still are in his opinion to "generous" with PS2 monetization and made to many concessions. They are going build and release H1Z1 with a NEED to spend money even if it means p2w
The sooner you guys realize that "free" to play is never free the happier you'll be. Most are not even "free to try" any more.
please do not include me in your "you guys" statement..I would be happier is F2P didnt exist . I would much rather pay a sub, even a sub higher that 15$/m for a whole game with no need for the nickel and dime used car sale pitch type deal we have now because of the "welfare gamers"
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I do apologize. Was my choice of words not politically correct enough for these forums? I do however stand by the sentiment.
F2P was a bad idea from greedy people to afraid to openly defy the taboo of asking for more than $14.95/m for a quality game.
More players does not mean more money for game companies especially when you end up having a few carry the many.
$15 a month doesn't seem unreasonable, it really doesn't, and I don't think you'd have people argue that. However, if you've got 3 or 4 other games to play, you actually feel guilty that you're not playing that subscription game, don't you? I know how it is, I'm a WoW subscriber. How scalable is that though? There really isn't any room for more than a few subscription-based games. Especially while WoW still holds a massive majority of the market.
Being F2P it's like you're looking for crumbs. You've got a large user base, but few who pay. I will, on average, play other sub games for 3 or 4 months of the year, so they get my crumbs for that time, but they need to do something else in order to remain financially viable, so F2P is a good model for that. That's why I really like the hybrid model like Rift and SWTOR and LOTRO. It just makes sense, you know?
Straight-up F2P games are a little more aggressive, but I'll still dump in $10 or $20 here and there if I feel like I am getting use out of it. Games like Warframe are a great example. I feel like it relieves me of the burden I feel with a subscription, but it doesn't at all bind my hands or make me feel cheap. I feel empowered. I can speak with my dollar.
Originally posted by TribeofOne well, Smed had already been talking about how they were and still are in his opinion to "generous" with PS2 monetization and made to many concessions. They are going build and release H1Z1 with a NEED to spend money even if it means p2w
The sooner you guys realize that "free" to play is never free the happier you'll be. Most are not even "free to try" any more.
please do not include me in your "you guys" statement..I would be happier is F2P didnt exist . I would much rather pay a sub, even a sub higher that 15$/m for a whole game with no need for the nickel and dime used car sale pitch type deal we have now because of the "welfare gamers"
I will add an "Hell Yeah!" to this statement. I play Free to Pay games on occasion, but most keep me for a month or two. I rather buy a game I like and subscribe than to be nickel and dimed to death ever time I log in.
Originally posted by Brenics See this is exactly why so many walked away from SOE, that is exactly what they say to their customers.Was in business for 22 years and to this day if you want to be a success then you have to at least make the customer feel like they are always right. SOE has a habit of telling their customers where they can go, more so from this jerk.
Considering that SOE is one of the largest publishers around, it is truly funny watching you telling them what they should do to be successfull...
I kind of like his attitude to things. He says how it is and does not pussy foot around trying to please self righteous pricks. I wish more took on his mentality when dealing with customers who think they know better.
He is a CEO of a large company, weather you like it or not he is doing something right.
I kind of like his attitude to things. He says how it is and does not pussy foot around trying to please self righteous pricks. I wish more took on his mentality when dealing with customers who think they know better.
He is a CEO of a large company, weather you like it or not he is doing something right.
Being a CEO does not automatically mean he's doing something right.
I kind of like his attitude to things. He says how it is and does not pussy foot around trying to please self righteous pricks. I wish more took on his mentality when dealing with customers who think they know better.
He is a CEO of a large company, weather you like it or not he is doing something right.
Being a CEO does not automatically mean he's doing something right.
I kind of like his attitude to things. He says how it is and does not pussy foot around trying to please self righteous pricks. I wish more took on his mentality when dealing with customers who think they know better.
He is a CEO of a large company, weather you like it or not he is doing something right.
Being a CEO does not automatically mean he's doing something right.
he's probably better at setting up people to take the fall for his mistakes.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Customers are not always right, sometimes they are D-Bags. If I didnt buy a game every time a game company had an employee was a loud mouth jurk, I would no longer have games to play. Smed is just a straight shooter, you see what you get. I like him flaws and all.
This is the attitude of the entitled generation. The young person standing there behind the counter at Starbucks texting away to her boyfriend while 50 customers are standing there waiting. Eventually customers start walking out then the girl makes some snide comment and goes right back to texting.
That is a huge problem with the country is this new attitude of the customer is wrong.
Sure some customers are D-Bags, but treating them with patience and respect is part of being a success in business.
The customer is NEVER wrong, even when they are wrong they are right especially now that we live in an age of social media, instagrams, and tweets. One image, one bad review, can destroy a business.
But what the hell do these young people care, they never learned respect or discipline, they never learned history, or economics, all they know is instant selfish self-centered gratification.
Honestly when I see people defend ignorant egotistical undisciplined asshats like this in positions of authority it turns my stomach.
someone just asked if the game will have a sub and he replied with "Not at this time"
Seems like there's going to be a sub system in the future.
well I´d be suprised if H1Z1 didnt have a sub option once it get fully released, as it is SOE´s standard model, all their games are F2P with an optional sub option, which gives bonuses in all their games.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Customers are not always right, sometimes they are D-Bags. If I didnt buy a game every time a game company had an employee was a loud mouth jurk, I would no longer have games to play. Smed is just a straight shooter, you see what you get. I like him flaws and all.
This is the attitude of the entitled generation. The young person standing there behind the counter at Starbucks texting away to her boyfriend while 50 customers are standing there waiting. Eventually customers start walking out then the girl makes some snide comment and goes right back to texting.
That is a huge problem with the country is this new attitude of the customer is wrong.
Sure some customers are D-Bags, but treating them with patience and respect is part of being a success in business.
The customer is NEVER wrong, even when they are wrong they are right especially now that we live in an age of social media, instagrams, and tweets. One image, one bad review, can destroy a business.
But what the hell do these young people care, they never learned respect or discipline, they never learned history, or economics, all they know is instant selfish self-centered gratification.
Honestly when I see people defend ignorant egotistical undisciplined asshats like this in positions of authority it turns my stomach.
LOL, I said the customer is not always right. Meaning sometimes they are wrong. Never said staff is always right but I am also a huge supporter of people being human and being able to not show me a fake person to kiss my butt. Im 41 years old and have seen my share of the world. Smed is honest with who he is and anyone worth their salt should appreciate that. If more people were open and honest as he is, there would be a lot more right with the world.
Originally posted by JemAs666 Yeah I see no problems with his tweets. Don't like their rules, don't play their game. It really is that simple. No one is forcing you to play EA games. Hell I may buy into EA just because the OP made this post.
See this is exactly why so many walked away from SOE, that is exactly what they say to their customers.
Was in business for 22 years and to this day if you want to be a success then you have to at least make the customer feel like they are always right. SOE has a habit of telling their customers where they can go, more so from this jerk.
Actually, I can respect them for this attitude, some people need to be told to piss off, too much entitlement in folks these days, and too many like the OP looking for reasons to justify decisions they've already long since made.
As CCP says in EVE, HTFU.
I've gotta agree with this. The whole 'customer is always right' philosophy may work great in department stores, but it doesn't mean that it's applicable to every aspect of business. While there are certainly situations where it's more advantageous to make people believe they're the smartest in the room, there are times (such as this one) where you need to tell people they are being stupid.
There's only so much a company can do to make it perfectly clear what your spending your money on. If you then, knowingly, pay into it, and then are mad that you did; then i'm sorry but you made a bad decision. This is up there with the woman who bought coffee at mcdonalds and then sued them because it was hot.
I'm not generally a fan of SOE or Smedley, but lately there have been a lot of stupid complaints going on about their games. I hope that one day, people will understand that you can stop buying into deals that you don't want. You don't have to buy that collectors edition, early access, alpha access, etc. pack. You can, infact, wait until the game launches and see how people react first.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Customers are not always right, sometimes they are D-Bags. If I didnt buy a game every time a game company had an employee was a loud mouth jurk, I would no longer have games to play. Smed is just a straight shooter, you see what you get. I like him flaws and all.
This is the attitude of the entitled generation. The young person standing there behind the counter at Starbucks texting away to her boyfriend while 50 customers are standing there waiting. Eventually customers start walking out then the girl makes some snide comment and goes right back to texting.
That is a huge problem with the country is this new attitude of the customer is wrong.
Sure some customers are D-Bags, but treating them with patience and respect is part of being a success in business.
The customer is NEVER wrong, even when they are wrong they are right especially now that we live in an age of social media, instagrams, and tweets. One image, one bad review, can destroy a business.
But what the hell do these young people care, they never learned respect or discipline, they never learned history, or economics, all they know is instant selfish self-centered gratification.
Honestly when I see people defend ignorant egotistical undisciplined asshats like this in positions of authority it turns my stomach.
The admiration is because they want to be that asshat in a position of authority... because they're already an asshat, but just not one in a position of authority.
Originally posted by Mr.SeriousGuy he is the ceo of soe a division of sony not the ceo of sony international or SCE / SCEA . smedly is just the guy responsible for keeping a bunch of F2P games that are dragging down profit margins . EQN may make them some money with founders packs and later when it comes out but until then he is probably worried about his division making enough money since sony shut down vaio and cut the american jobs attached . they could get rid of smedly and merge soe and sce so if a game goes cash grab who cares . odds are it wont affect their other products
I look at him as the CEO of Sony Online not Sony International.
All I see on here and on Steam are a bunch of frustrated people that so desperately want to play that they will find any reason possible to bitch and bash SOE...
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Customers are not always right, sometimes they are D-Bags. If I didnt buy a game every time a game company had an employee was a loud mouth jurk, I would no longer have games to play. Smed is just a straight shooter, you see what you get. I like him flaws and all.
This is the attitude of the entitled generation. The young person standing there behind the counter at Starbucks texting away to her boyfriend while 50 customers are standing there waiting. Eventually customers start walking out then the girl makes some snide comment and goes right back to texting.
That is a huge problem with the country is this new attitude of the customer is wrong.
Sure some customers are D-Bags, but treating them with patience and respect is part of being a success in business.
The customer is NEVER wrong, even when they are wrong they are right especially now that we live in an age of social media, instagrams, and tweets. One image, one bad review, can destroy a business.
But what the hell do these young people care, they never learned respect or discipline, they never learned history, or economics, all they know is instant selfish self-centered gratification.
Honestly when I see people defend ignorant egotistical undisciplined asshats like this in positions of authority it turns my stomach.
Not really. This is PC speech and some people value PC anti speech.
You just need to focus on the niche.
I dont like lies, and sometimes im wrong.
If someone will say ''you are right'' and im wrong is like '"The Emperor New Clothes''.
And yes, we must stop to tell people they are right when not. Or they will start to really think they are and act like.
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No, this is the problem with society. The customer is far from right all the time. I guess I see your point in making them feel they are right. I respect Smed more for holding his balls in hand than licking customer butts.
Actually, I can respect them for this attitude, some people need to be told to piss off, too much entitlement in folks these days, and too many like the OP looking for reasons to justify decisions they've already long since made.
As CCP says in EVE, HTFU.
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Wow, ok ,umm.
I think I might be able to shed light on your situations. It has nothing to do with welfare gamers imo. I think it has to do with the fact, that gamers today, love the spice of life, which is variety. Most people dont wanna sub to more then 1 game at a time.
Sorry for the hijack, but that "welfare player" ugh, disgusting........
I have 2 children, 1 of the plays WoW. As did I. So were talking 2 fully upgraded accounts, and the nshe has all the mounts and pets from blizzard store on her account, now add in several years of subs. Then theres race changes, server transfers, insta 90, were talking in the thousands of dollars here. I dont mind paying money for entertainment. But BUT there comes a time, when WoW doesnt cut it. For me or her.
She will branch of too tera (she has 1 store bought mount) and has played that for several months. If it had a sub, would i pay for that and WoW? No. Why? because 1 sub is enough. She doesnt wanna play WoW everyday, but she wants to play every week. Theres more important things in life, then video games. But can some money be shed there, sure!
I used to branch to zero online, which was mega pay to win. But recenty closed (Damn you TQ) Would i wanna pay for another sub myself. No. But I like breaks from WoW as well.
Now your debate again is f2p being for welfare, ummm,last a checked the biggest spenders flock to those games, cause just like in real life. money is power. I think the REAL problem is, you cant keep up with the p2w players, so you dismiss these games as a whole.
No, your gonna say, oh well I could if i wanted to, but its stupid. IMO, yes it is. In theres its not. Its also there money. They choose when and were its used. Would I? If I had it damn right! But I dont, im not rich, Im average soooooo : )
Basically what I am saying, is that companies understand, that people dont want to commit to many games by paying subs, as a whole. Some might not mind, but me not so much. 1 is plenty! BUT i love free to play games, cause when I pick them up, and play and enjoy them, oh look a cash shop! Oh man that items coll, ching ching! Hey I have it now awesome! I can tell you right now, excluding WoW.......cause its the god of MMO right now, these free 2 play games, are tearing the charts apart with there income. Way more then they would with a standard sub fee.
So in conclusion, welfare gamers..............maybe your over tired and your brain isnt thinking clear? Get some sleep. Its good for you! Its not because of "poor people" its because people will spend more then a sub to get what they want in the long run. Amazing business practice, and MMO is a business. And IMO its the right way to go. Give everyone a chance to play.
You dont wanna be that short skinny kid that doesnt get picked for the team because of his stature. Everyone should be included.
$15 a month doesn't seem unreasonable, it really doesn't, and I don't think you'd have people argue that. However, if you've got 3 or 4 other games to play, you actually feel guilty that you're not playing that subscription game, don't you? I know how it is, I'm a WoW subscriber. How scalable is that though? There really isn't any room for more than a few subscription-based games. Especially while WoW still holds a massive majority of the market.
Being F2P it's like you're looking for crumbs. You've got a large user base, but few who pay. I will, on average, play other sub games for 3 or 4 months of the year, so they get my crumbs for that time, but they need to do something else in order to remain financially viable, so F2P is a good model for that. That's why I really like the hybrid model like Rift and SWTOR and LOTRO. It just makes sense, you know?
Straight-up F2P games are a little more aggressive, but I'll still dump in $10 or $20 here and there if I feel like I am getting use out of it. Games like Warframe are a great example. I feel like it relieves me of the burden I feel with a subscription, but it doesn't at all bind my hands or make me feel cheap. I feel empowered. I can speak with my dollar.
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I will add an "Hell Yeah!" to this statement. I play Free to Pay games on occasion, but most keep me for a month or two. I rather buy a game I like and subscribe than to be nickel and dimed to death ever time I log in.
Considering that SOE is one of the largest publishers around, it is truly funny watching you telling them what they should do to be successfull...
I kind of like his attitude to things. He says how it is and does not pussy foot around trying to please self righteous pricks. I wish more took on his mentality when dealing with customers who think they know better.
He is a CEO of a large company, weather you like it or not he is doing something right.
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Being a CEO does not automatically mean he's doing something right.
Being a CEO for as long as he has does.
If he is in lead for so long, he definitely does.
he's probably better at setting up people to take the fall for his mistakes.
This is the attitude of the entitled generation. The young person standing there behind the counter at Starbucks texting away to her boyfriend while 50 customers are standing there waiting. Eventually customers start walking out then the girl makes some snide comment and goes right back to texting.
That is a huge problem with the country is this new attitude of the customer is wrong.
Sure some customers are D-Bags, but treating them with patience and respect is part of being a success in business.
The customer is NEVER wrong, even when they are wrong they are right especially now that we live in an age of social media, instagrams, and tweets. One image, one bad review, can destroy a business.
But what the hell do these young people care, they never learned respect or discipline, they never learned history, or economics, all they know is instant selfish self-centered gratification.
Honestly when I see people defend ignorant egotistical undisciplined asshats like this in positions of authority it turns my stomach.
well I´d be suprised if H1Z1 didnt have a sub option once it get fully released, as it is SOE´s standard model, all their games are F2P with an optional sub option, which gives bonuses in all their games.
LOL, I said the customer is not always right. Meaning sometimes they are wrong. Never said staff is always right but I am also a huge supporter of people being human and being able to not show me a fake person to kiss my butt. Im 41 years old and have seen my share of the world. Smed is honest with who he is and anyone worth their salt should appreciate that. If more people were open and honest as he is, there would be a lot more right with the world.
I've gotta agree with this. The whole 'customer is always right' philosophy may work great in department stores, but it doesn't mean that it's applicable to every aspect of business. While there are certainly situations where it's more advantageous to make people believe they're the smartest in the room, there are times (such as this one) where you need to tell people they are being stupid.
There's only so much a company can do to make it perfectly clear what your spending your money on. If you then, knowingly, pay into it, and then are mad that you did; then i'm sorry but you made a bad decision. This is up there with the woman who bought coffee at mcdonalds and then sued them because it was hot.
I'm not generally a fan of SOE or Smedley, but lately there have been a lot of stupid complaints going on about their games. I hope that one day, people will understand that you can stop buying into deals that you don't want. You don't have to buy that collectors edition, early access, alpha access, etc. pack. You can, infact, wait until the game launches and see how people react first.
The admiration is because they want to be that asshat in a position of authority... because they're already an asshat, but just not one in a position of authority.
I look at him as the CEO of Sony Online not Sony International.
All I see on here and on Steam are a bunch of frustrated people that so desperately want to play that they will find any reason possible to bitch and bash SOE...
Gamers gunna Game...
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
Not really. This is PC speech and some people value PC anti speech.
You just need to focus on the niche.
I dont like lies, and sometimes im wrong.
If someone will say ''you are right'' and im wrong is like '"The Emperor New Clothes''.
And yes, we must stop to tell people they are right when not. Or they will start to really think they are and act like.
Not surprised. EQN is turning into a disaster and the Smedster is lashing out? Not news.