Originally posted by Bladestrom There are more players playing other MMO than wow. Don't worry about the dinasaur, let it plod along while the majority have fun with more modern games.
So you are comparing the entire MMO genre to WoW? I can't comment about the current situation but there was a point at which WoW actually had more than 50% of all MMO players, making it bigger than all MMOs combined.
Now it's really difficult to measure how much those players who play F2P games are "worth". It's like with the ios and android thing. Android is 80% of the market, apple has around 18% yet Apple earn more profit than all major android manufacturers combined. How many cheap android phones equate to one iphone? 3? 5?
WoW is the only wildly succesful P2P MMO. It's quite telling when every single MMO except EVE and FFXIV have to go F2P.
Well the fact is WoW is not half the mmo market. There are many games in China, for example, that have high player base but are not released any where else. As such, they are not counted for the "global mmo sub numbers" market. Also, with F2P games it's difficult to say who has more players, since the subs would only be a small part of the actual people playing. League of Legends typically ranks 1st in most concurrent users and Runescape is #1 in most accounts made.
As for how "quite telling" that WoW is P2P, that may change. Data mining has showed a "Veteran Status" for players with more cash shop items. So it's very possible that WoW is going to go to a hybrid model sometime this year. It's simple finances, F2P generates more revenue on average. WoW had a huge drop in subs in the long content drought between Panda's last patch and WoD, microtransactions would help keep the monies flowing in.
Originally posted by Thane Originally posted by BladestromThere are more players playing other MMO than wow. Don't worry about the dinasaur, let it plod along while the majority have fun with more modern games.
no idea how many of your majority are still left, after you substract WoW's 10 million
Is 10 million even current anymore? Didn't it drop to 6-7m?
It reminds me of these mmorpg.com posters who back in late 2007 stated WOW would be down to 1 million subscribers in 2010.
I am willing to post the link.
But it is much more fun to see these posters continue to up up their efforts.
Froums are around 0.001% of the active players of WOW and ... it was pretty clear already in MoP, 6-7 million was the very low bottom of the game.
2016: World of Warcraft the movie.
Don't let me explain why this game will probably outlive most of us anyway.
it is like asking for the end of Superman or Spiderman.
Sure. Keep dreaming but WOW passed already long ago its ciritcal mass to implode. It simply won't happen as the franchise will go into the next century even.
10 billion bucks. You might as well ask for the moon to blow up.
Honestly, i think WoW getting back to 10mil subs has more to do with the fact that there are no real viable alternatives. Back when it got down to 6mil there were at least a few things here and there, and some stuff that at least appeared promising on the horizon.
The worst part for me is that i once considered WoW to have become the antithesis of what i hate in MMOrpg, i.e. on the rail quests, super fast leveling, face roll easy content.
But, all these new F2P, facebook/mobile type of "mmmorpg's" have taught me that it can always be MUCH MUCH worse. Now a game simply having things like group mechanics, reasons to group, etc, is like seeing a pegasus fly by your window.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
as long as your game makes the least amount of logical profit you predicted then it didn't fail. if we are talking quality-wise then it is subjective to some extent like how CoD sells millions each year.
while WoW was epic and still a great game it really got lucky (plus blizzard is smart). not only it was released at a great time but it was lucky enough to have mostly weak "clones" or niche games as competitors for a long time so winning against those was easy. and now some are used/addicted to it without even knowing it, some don't want to let go of what they spent their thousand hours on and some use WoW as their communication hub cause most of their friends are there.
weaker clones are also free advertisement for stronger ones or the original.. now hopefully we have past the cloning phase.
more importantly when something become a phenomenon success then it won't matter if it is good or not...the mass will go for it.
as for it's King title...it is a fitting title cause being born as a prince/later King is also a matter of Luck and once you are a King whether you are worthy or not replacing you is not an easy task.
my top MMOs: UO,DAOC,WoW,GW2
most of my posts are just my opinions they are not facts,it is the same for you too.
WOW's ATVI revenue rose with 29% in 2014 compared to 2013.
1.035 billion dollars and that's not even the NetEase part included (China representing around 9% of the market for ATVI, but NetEase gaining its own proper 90 million dollars as a distributor of the thing which doesn't show up on Blizzard's revenue of course).
ANY game which would grow with almost 30% ... after 10 years of existence is an anomaly really.
Let alone WOW did this in a time and place where NO game can hold on to subscriptions after ... 6 months, ... and free to play is the default standard...
Makes you wonder why you even want to discuss the quality of this game.
Its head and shoulders above anything in the field really. People vote with their pockets.
Simple facts.
Nothing to see here/.
Will WOW's subscriptions go down again ? Of course ... until next year in Mar 2016 when the movie will launch along with a new expansion...
If you can't live with the fact WOW will stay - in one form or another - then seek out a new hobby.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Yep and nope (30 million +) and who cares how much of an audiance 1 game has, it doesnt affect choice, although ths investment blizzard suckles from subs would be better used improving the mediocrity.
I think Blizzard are already at a point where they don't know what to do with WoW. At this point it feels like they are only adding more raids, zones and quests just because the game is ultra successful and tons of people pay them truckload of money in subs and for expansions.
In the entire 10 years of WoW, we haven't seen any new systems or mechanics which would expand character progression or the way you play the game. They could've added:
- an alternate progression systems
Agreed. It's sorely needed at this point. Gear progression, while fun, gets old after a relatively short time. Something like the Omega system from Marvel Heroes would be most welcome.
- heroic specs/classes which they once talked about
I'd love to see hero classes implemented. Could tie them in nicely with an alternative progression system.
- revamped crafting completely to not be so mindnumbing
Sweet buttery Jesus, yes. The crafting right now is horrible. It's basically just waiting for cooldowns to end right now. WoD is great, but whomever thought the current crafting system was a good idea needs to be fired immediately.
- something similar to GW2's WvW and ESO's RVR
Not a PvP guy, but why not?
- world events aka rift/gw2
They seemed to experiment with those for a while. Wouldn't surprise me if they implemented it at some point.
- housing
Garrisons are pretty much houses. I do hope they add better customization to them though.
There are tons of stuff they could've done to expand their core gameplay beyond just raiding in PVE and battlegrounds/arenas for PvP.
Things which were great but they should've had more stuff like it:
- archaelogy to promote world exploration
- pet battles
They should've just included tons of alternatives.
I think at this point they only care about recycling the same type of content until people stop playing lol. But people just don't want to stop playing WoW.
Loving WoW and WoD right now, but I do agree with many of your points. Blizzard really needs to take a look at where the game is going at this point. It's good, it's polished, but it's also become rather stagnant. Hopefully the next xpack will bring something truly fresh to the table.
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Originally posted by Bladestrom There are more players playing other MMO than wow. Don't worry about the dinasaur, let it plod along while the majority have fun with more modern games.
So you are comparing the entire MMO genre to WoW? I can't comment about the current situation but there was a point at which WoW actually had more than 50% of all MMO players, making it bigger than all MMOs combined..
It's still amusing how people here (and everywhere else) hold that World of Warcraft has the most subscribers to the game. Okay, 10M is an impressive amount, but look at other Asian MMOs as well. A lot of Asian MMOs have their numbers scattered across half a dozen publishers and there are no accurate numbers of total players. Add to that the enormous amount of private (pirtated) servers of these Asian MMOs and it wouldn't surprise me if those Asian MMOs come to a total of at least half the number Blizzards keeps reporting for WoW. I am pretty sure that worldwide there are over 10M Lineage II players, though sadly 75% (if not more) plays on private servers
An other thing to take into account is that Blizzard hasn't made a new MMO since WoW, while competitors keep making sequels of their games (and keep the prequels alive as well). That's also one of the major reasons WoW still is on 10M. If WoW2 (or Titan for that matter) would see the light of day, both MMOs that Blizzard would be running would not hit the current numbers by a long shot combined...
And it continue to be the number 1 for next 10 years. Blizzard will greedily consume any idea/system they find useful in other games, then incorporate it in their game in a way that will tell the originals : "this is how you do it suckers!!".
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What's holding them up is that they are the established game....
WoW isn't an MMO for people anymore... It's become a way of life.
People met their guildmates, and best friends, and wives playing wow.
It's transended game status and become it's own sub-culture.
You don't stop being a wow-head just because a game comes out that's more shiny....
The only game that can ever kill wow... is wow.
And as long as they keep using their buckets of money to steal every good idea everyone else has and put it into their next X-pac, they will continue to be king.
There are many reason for WOW still the king. But the most reason why it still king in my opinion is Blizzard care about the community who make it king .
Most MMORPGs after WOW make by money chaser don't care about the community at all. When they have problem , they enter damage control mode instead of admit and try to solve it.
The next king will come when the way of gaming change , like how WOW become king at the time internet change
I think what's far more telling is the numbers for Hearthstone. Namely, it has 2.5x as many players right now as WoW does.
So I guess if you exclude Hearthstone, League of Legends, and a number of other games which technically don't fall into the P2P MMORPG genre, then yeah, WoW's still king. If you do? WoW lost its throne years ago, and it's a symbol of the genre's utter stagnation. Every big MMO up to this point has had its day in the sun, but they all faded. It's long since past WoW's time to fade into the sunset, and because it's taking so long, it's becoming a problem for anyone who honestly cares about seeing the genre move forward.
So yeah, brag about the numbers all ya like, it doesn't change the fact that everyone who points to WoW as evidence of the genre's stagnation is 100% correct. It's because WoW has lasted this long that people continue to copy off of it, instead of improving upon it.
It's not fair. WoW has been probably the only game to get the exposure it has had. And I mean outside of regular "gaming"related places. Being featured on South park multiple times, and a boatload of other places, there's not much other games can do. Documentaries have been done about it, it's just thing after thing that gave WoW such exposure and that's what most people just know and stay with.
Wow might have all the subs and players. I will say because most people played FFXI and said it was to hard to play and played wow. FFXI has been out the same time as WOW. Yet while wow gets all the love and support and hate. FF has two mmorpgs they have on the market that is doing very well.
This is not a post about who has more numbers or anything like that. But a statement. Its always wow this wow that. But in terms FF started with wow. Still very strong and has two MMORPG's games out and is pushing great content for them both.
So at the end of the day shout out to them both for not failing or closing down. Even though we know if you played FFXI when i came out and got to 75 after a year or close to it. You played a great mmo and the hardest on in history.
I think what's far more telling is the numbers for Hearthstone. Namely, it has 2.5x as many players right now as WoW does.
So I guess if you exclude Hearthstone, League of Legends, and a number of other games which technically don't fall into the P2P MMORPG genre, then yeah, WoW's still king. If you do? WoW lost its throne years ago, and it's a symbol of the genre's utter stagnation. Every big MMO up to this point has had its day in the sun, but they all faded. It's long since past WoW's time to fade into the sunset, and because it's taking so long, it's becoming a problem for anyone who honestly cares about seeing the genre move forward.
I don't think the old MMORPG genre is going to relevant much longer. Sure, wow still have millions, but the newer online games like Hearthstone is getting the spot light.
And Blizz cancels titan .. and what is their next game? An online shooter like TF2.
Wow might have all the subs and players. I will say because most people played FFXI and said it was to hard to play and played wow. FFXI has been out the same time as WOW. Yet while wow gets all the love and support and hate. FF has two mmorpgs they have on the market that is doing very well.
This is not a post about who has more numbers or anything like that. But a statement. Its always wow this wow that. But in terms FF started with wow. Still very strong and has two MMORPG's games out and is pushing great content for them both.
So at the end of the day shout out to them both for not failing or closing down. Even though we know if you played FFXI when i came out and got to 75 after a year or close to it. You played a great mmo and the hardest on in history.
FFXI has been out longer than WoW and both Final Fantasy MMO titles together don't even manage 1 million subscribers worldwide (and wow isn't even available in Japan). That's a company that used to be far bigger (and still is?) than Blizzard, and they can't even manage 10% of the success with 2 titles WoW has managed.
WoW is king because they do everything well (good combat, good world design, good raids, good endgame content, good patch speed, good customer service, good pvp), keep players happy, don't patch too often which would be damaging due to swamping the majority, they don't fix or change things that don't need to be fixed and they don't pump out a new mmo just because NEW.
If you have 6-10 million subscribers and have the worlds leading mmo why on earth would you make another mmo and why would you change things to possibly damage that position? WoW is king because they know how to run an mmo and maintain a strong and happy playerbase, most of the things mentioned in this thread are the reasons most every other mmo crashed and burned.
WoW brings more enjoyment to paying MMORPG players worldwide than all the other MMORPG titles combined, so it's deffinately doing it right. Just because some people post here that it's horrible for whatever reasons is meaningless, since that's just opinion.
People hate on anything that's popular (music, films, books, or whatever) the popular still brings more enjoyment to the masses than any other niche version that people say is "better".
Originally posted by fivorothIn the entire 10 years of WoW, we haven't seen any new systems or mechanics which would expand character progression or the way you play the game.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
That sums up entire thread and all alike polluting these boards. Some minority of players would like a change but that is no reason there should be any...
WOW is a kids game, its a good starter for those new to mmo's and children thats pretty much it. i wouldnt herald it as some great game. If you do then i strongly suggest you try some other titles and expand your horizon, otherwise your just limiting yourself. Its like argueing console vs. pc. its just a fail arguement.
Originally posted by reeereee Originally posted by FoomerangOriginally posted by scorpex-xOriginally posted by FoomerangWow is a turd but it's been around for so long, nobody leaves. It's like these forums. They are basically garbage but I've been on them for so long I still visit them.10 million people disagree with you. Not to say you're wrong. Just to say thats just your minority opinion.
Is it? The game has sold over 100 million copies and less than 10% stick around. I would say the majority have moved on.I believe to 100 million number includes every sign-up for the free trial version which is a very different metric than copies sold. I know. That was my point. Because it's also very different from claiming 10 million people currently play this game.
Wow might have all the subs and players. I will say because most people played FFXI and said it was to hard to play and played wow. FFXI has been out the same time as WOW. Yet while wow gets all the love and support and hate. FF has two mmorpgs they have on the market that is doing very well.
This is not a post about who has more numbers or anything like that. But a statement. Its always wow this wow that. But in terms FF started with wow. Still very strong and has two MMORPG's games out and is pushing great content for them both.
So at the end of the day shout out to them both for not failing or closing down. Even though we know if you played FFXI when i came out and got to 75 after a year or close to it. You played a great mmo and the hardest on in history.
FFXI has been out longer than WoW and both Final Fantasy MMO titles together don't even manage 1 million subscribers worldwide (and wow isn't even available in Japan). That's a company that used to be far bigger (and still is?) than Blizzard, and they can't even manage 10% of the success with 2 titles WoW has managed.
WoW is king because they do everything well (good combat, good world design, good raids, good endgame content, good patch speed, good customer service, good pvp), keep players happy, don't patch too often which would be damaging due to swamping the majority, they don't fix or change things that don't need to be fixed and they don't pump out a new mmo just because NEW.
If you have 6-10 million subscribers and have the worlds leading mmo why on earth would you make another mmo and why would you change things to possibly damage that position? WoW is king because they know how to run an mmo and maintain a strong and happy playerbase, most of the things mentioned in this thread are the reasons most every other mmo crashed and burned.
WoW brings more enjoyment to paying MMORPG players worldwide than all the other MMORPG titles combined, so it's deffinately doing it right. Just because some people post here that it's horrible for whatever reasons is meaningless, since that's just opinion.
People hate on anything that's popular (music, films, books, or whatever) the popular still brings more enjoyment to the masses than any other niche version that people say is "better".
You missed his point by miles. While the OP is trying to say "Look at my game, so many players, all other games are failures, they can't touch my game". The person you quoted is saying "No, while it has a lot of players, it's not the only game out there that has had success". He even in his last line says "shout out to them both".
These kind of post like the OP has made is not needed at all. Just enjoy the game you like, no need to rub it in others faces.
Originally posted by Bossalinie Originally posted by FoomerangOriginally posted by scorpex-xOriginally posted by FoomerangWow is a turd but it's been around for so long, nobody leaves. It's like these forums. They are basically garbage but I've been on them for so long I still visit them.10 million people disagree with you. Not to say you're wrong. Just to say thats just your minority opinion.
Is it? The game has sold over 100 million copies and less than 10% stick around. I would say the majority have moved on.That simple, huh? Ceteris paribus in while tossing various personal/event/life changes over a decade out, right? Eh sorry. You misinterpreted my point as well.
WOW is a kids game, its a good starter for those new to mmo's and children thats pretty much it. i wouldnt herald it as some great game. If you do then i strongly suggest you try some other titles and expand your horizon, otherwise your just limiting yourself. Its like argueing console vs. pc. its just a fail arguement.
There are more adults playing wow than any other mmorpg, so it's silly to say it's a kids game.
Wow might have all the subs and players. I will say because most people played FFXI and said it was to hard to play and played wow. FFXI has been out the same time as WOW. Yet while wow gets all the love and support and hate. FF has two mmorpgs they have on the market that is doing very well.
This is not a post about who has more numbers or anything like that. But a statement. Its always wow this wow that. But in terms FF started with wow. Still very strong and has two MMORPG's games out and is pushing great content for them both.
So at the end of the day shout out to them both for not failing or closing down. Even though we know if you played FFXI when i came out and got to 75 after a year or close to it. You played a great mmo and the hardest on in history.
FFXI has been out longer than WoW and both Final Fantasy MMO titles together don't even manage 1 million subscribers worldwide (and wow isn't even available in Japan). That's a company that used to be far bigger (and still is?) than Blizzard, and they can't even manage 10% of the success with 2 titles WoW has managed.
WoW is king because they do everything well (good combat, good world design, good raids, good endgame content, good patch speed, good customer service, good pvp), keep players happy, don't patch too often which would be damaging due to swamping the majority, they don't fix or change things that don't need to be fixed and they don't pump out a new mmo just because NEW.
If you have 6-10 million subscribers and have the worlds leading mmo why on earth would you make another mmo and why would you change things to possibly damage that position? WoW is king because they know how to run an mmo and maintain a strong and happy playerbase, most of the things mentioned in this thread are the reasons most every other mmo crashed and burned.
WoW brings more enjoyment to paying MMORPG players worldwide than all the other MMORPG titles combined, so it's deffinately doing it right. Just because some people post here that it's horrible for whatever reasons is meaningless, since that's just opinion.
People hate on anything that's popular (music, films, books, or whatever) the popular still brings more enjoyment to the masses than any other niche version that people say is "better".
I'm pretty sure FFXIV has over 1 million subs closer to 2 million I believe.
Wow might have all the subs and players. I will say because most people played FFXI and said it was to hard to play and played wow. FFXI has been out the same time as WOW. Yet while wow gets all the love and support and hate. FF has two mmorpgs they have on the market that is doing very well.
This is not a post about who has more numbers or anything like that. But a statement. Its always wow this wow that. But in terms FF started with wow. Still very strong and has two MMORPG's games out and is pushing great content for them both.
So at the end of the day shout out to them both for not failing or closing down. Even though we know if you played FFXI when i came out and got to 75 after a year or close to it. You played a great mmo and the hardest on in history.
FFXI has been out longer than WoW and both Final Fantasy MMO titles together don't even manage 1 million subscribers worldwide (and wow isn't even available in Japan). That's a company that used to be far bigger (and still is?) than Blizzard, and they can't even manage 10% of the success with 2 titles WoW has managed.
WoW is king because they do everything well (good combat, good world design, good raids, good endgame content, good patch speed, good customer service, good pvp), keep players happy, don't patch too often which would be damaging due to swamping the majority, they don't fix or change things that don't need to be fixed and they don't pump out a new mmo just because NEW.
If you have 6-10 million subscribers and have the worlds leading mmo why on earth would you make another mmo and why would you change things to possibly damage that position? WoW is king because they know how to run an mmo and maintain a strong and happy playerbase, most of the things mentioned in this thread are the reasons most every other mmo crashed and burned.
WoW brings more enjoyment to paying MMORPG players worldwide than all the other MMORPG titles combined, so it's deffinately doing it right. Just because some people post here that it's horrible for whatever reasons is meaningless, since that's just opinion.
People hate on anything that's popular (music, films, books, or whatever) the popular still brings more enjoyment to the masses than any other niche version that people say is "better".
I'm pretty sure FFXIV has over 1 million subs closer to 2 million I believe.
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Well the fact is WoW is not half the mmo market. There are many games in China, for example, that have high player base but are not released any where else. As such, they are not counted for the "global mmo sub numbers" market. Also, with F2P games it's difficult to say who has more players, since the subs would only be a small part of the actual people playing. League of Legends typically ranks 1st in most concurrent users and Runescape is #1 in most accounts made.
As for how "quite telling" that WoW is P2P, that may change. Data mining has showed a "Veteran Status" for players with more cash shop items. So it's very possible that WoW is going to go to a hybrid model sometime this year. It's simple finances, F2P generates more revenue on average. WoW had a huge drop in subs in the long content drought between Panda's last patch and WoD, microtransactions would help keep the monies flowing in.
Is 10 million even current anymore? Didn't it drop to 6-7m?
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Honestly, i think WoW getting back to 10mil subs has more to do with the fact that there are no real viable alternatives. Back when it got down to 6mil there were at least a few things here and there, and some stuff that at least appeared promising on the horizon.
The worst part for me is that i once considered WoW to have become the antithesis of what i hate in MMOrpg, i.e. on the rail quests, super fast leveling, face roll easy content.
But, all these new F2P, facebook/mobile type of "mmmorpg's" have taught me that it can always be MUCH MUCH worse. Now a game simply having things like group mechanics, reasons to group, etc, is like seeing a pegasus fly by your window.
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as long as your game makes the least amount of logical profit you predicted then it didn't fail. if we are talking quality-wise then it is subjective to some extent like how CoD sells millions each year.
while WoW was epic and still a great game it really got lucky (plus blizzard is smart). not only it was released at a great time but it was lucky enough to have mostly weak "clones" or niche games as competitors for a long time so winning against those was easy. and now some are used/addicted to it without even knowing it, some don't want to let go of what they spent their thousand hours on and some use WoW as their communication hub cause most of their friends are there.
weaker clones are also free advertisement for stronger ones or the original.. now hopefully we have past the cloning phase.
more importantly when something become a phenomenon success then it won't matter if it is good or not...the mass will go for it.
as for it's King title...it is a fitting title cause being born as a prince/later King is also a matter of Luck and once you are a King whether you are worthy or not replacing you is not an easy task.
my top MMOs: UO,DAOC,WoW,GW2
most of my posts are just my opinions they are not facts,it is the same for you too.
WOW's ATVI revenue rose with 29% in 2014 compared to 2013.
1.035 billion dollars and that's not even the NetEase part included (China representing around 9% of the market for ATVI, but NetEase gaining its own proper 90 million dollars as a distributor of the thing which doesn't show up on Blizzard's revenue of course).
ANY game which would grow with almost 30% ... after 10 years of existence is an anomaly really.
Let alone WOW did this in a time and place where NO game can hold on to subscriptions after ... 6 months, ... and free to play is the default standard...
Makes you wonder why you even want to discuss the quality of this game.
Its head and shoulders above anything in the field really. People vote with their pockets.
Simple facts.
Nothing to see here/.
Will WOW's subscriptions go down again ? Of course ... until next year in Mar 2016 when the movie will launch along with a new expansion...
If you can't live with the fact WOW will stay - in one form or another - then seek out a new hobby.
Loving WoW and WoD right now, but I do agree with many of your points. Blizzard really needs to take a look at where the game is going at this point. It's good, it's polished, but it's also become rather stagnant. Hopefully the next xpack will bring something truly fresh to the table.
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It's still amusing how people here (and everywhere else) hold that World of Warcraft has the most subscribers to the game. Okay, 10M is an impressive amount, but look at other Asian MMOs as well. A lot of Asian MMOs have their numbers scattered across half a dozen publishers and there are no accurate numbers of total players. Add to that the enormous amount of private (pirtated) servers of these Asian MMOs and it wouldn't surprise me if those Asian MMOs come to a total of at least half the number Blizzards keeps reporting for WoW. I am pretty sure that worldwide there are over 10M Lineage II players, though sadly 75% (if not more) plays on private servers
An other thing to take into account is that Blizzard hasn't made a new MMO since WoW, while competitors keep making sequels of their games (and keep the prequels alive as well). That's also one of the major reasons WoW still is on 10M. If WoW2 (or Titan for that matter) would see the light of day, both MMOs that Blizzard would be running would not hit the current numbers by a long shot combined...
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What's holding them up is that they are the established game....
WoW isn't an MMO for people anymore... It's become a way of life.
People met their guildmates, and best friends, and wives playing wow.
It's transended game status and become it's own sub-culture.
You don't stop being a wow-head just because a game comes out that's more shiny....
The only game that can ever kill wow... is wow.
And as long as they keep using their buckets of money to steal every good idea everyone else has and put it into their next X-pac, they will continue to be king.
There are many reason for WOW still the king. But the most reason why it still king in my opinion is Blizzard care about the community who make it king .
Most MMORPGs after WOW make by money chaser don't care about the community at all. When they have problem , they enter damage control mode instead of admit and try to solve it.
The next king will come when the way of gaming change , like how WOW become king at the time internet change
I think what's far more telling is the numbers for Hearthstone. Namely, it has 2.5x as many players right now as WoW does.
So I guess if you exclude Hearthstone, League of Legends, and a number of other games which technically don't fall into the P2P MMORPG genre, then yeah, WoW's still king. If you do? WoW lost its throne years ago, and it's a symbol of the genre's utter stagnation. Every big MMO up to this point has had its day in the sun, but they all faded. It's long since past WoW's time to fade into the sunset, and because it's taking so long, it's becoming a problem for anyone who honestly cares about seeing the genre move forward.
So yeah, brag about the numbers all ya like, it doesn't change the fact that everyone who points to WoW as evidence of the genre's stagnation is 100% correct. It's because WoW has lasted this long that people continue to copy off of it, instead of improving upon it.
Wow might have all the subs and players. I will say because most people played FFXI and said it was to hard to play and played wow. FFXI has been out the same time as WOW. Yet while wow gets all the love and support and hate. FF has two mmorpgs they have on the market that is doing very well.
This is not a post about who has more numbers or anything like that. But a statement. Its always wow this wow that. But in terms FF started with wow. Still very strong and has two MMORPG's games out and is pushing great content for them both.
So at the end of the day shout out to them both for not failing or closing down. Even though we know if you played FFXI when i came out and got to 75 after a year or close to it. You played a great mmo and the hardest on in history.
I don't think the old MMORPG genre is going to relevant much longer. Sure, wow still have millions, but the newer online games like Hearthstone is getting the spot light.
And Blizz cancels titan .. and what is their next game? An online shooter like TF2.
FFXI has been out longer than WoW and both Final Fantasy MMO titles together don't even manage 1 million subscribers worldwide (and wow isn't even available in Japan). That's a company that used to be far bigger (and still is?) than Blizzard, and they can't even manage 10% of the success with 2 titles WoW has managed.
WoW is king because they do everything well (good combat, good world design, good raids, good endgame content, good patch speed, good customer service, good pvp), keep players happy, don't patch too often which would be damaging due to swamping the majority, they don't fix or change things that don't need to be fixed and they don't pump out a new mmo just because NEW.
If you have 6-10 million subscribers and have the worlds leading mmo why on earth would you make another mmo and why would you change things to possibly damage that position? WoW is king because they know how to run an mmo and maintain a strong and happy playerbase, most of the things mentioned in this thread are the reasons most every other mmo crashed and burned.
WoW brings more enjoyment to paying MMORPG players worldwide than all the other MMORPG titles combined, so it's deffinately doing it right. Just because some people post here that it's horrible for whatever reasons is meaningless, since that's just opinion.
People hate on anything that's popular (music, films, books, or whatever) the popular still brings more enjoyment to the masses than any other niche version that people say is "better".
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
That sums up entire thread and all alike polluting these boards. Some minority of players would like a change but that is no reason there should be any...
Game developers are not obliged to cater to YOU.
i agree most mmo's these days just plain suck.
however
WOW is a kids game, its a good starter for those new to mmo's and children thats pretty much it. i wouldnt herald it as some great game. If you do then i strongly suggest you try some other titles and expand your horizon, otherwise your just limiting yourself. Its like argueing console vs. pc. its just a fail arguement.
I believe to 100 million number includes every sign-up for the free trial version which is a very different metric than copies sold.
I know. That was my point. Because it's also very different from claiming 10 million people currently play this game.
You missed his point by miles. While the OP is trying to say "Look at my game, so many players, all other games are failures, they can't touch my game". The person you quoted is saying "No, while it has a lot of players, it's not the only game out there that has had success". He even in his last line says "shout out to them both".
These kind of post like the OP has made is not needed at all. Just enjoy the game you like, no need to rub it in others faces.
That simple, huh? Ceteris paribus in while tossing various personal/event/life changes over a decade out, right?
Eh sorry. You misinterpreted my point as well.
There are more adults playing wow than any other mmorpg, so it's silly to say it's a kids game.
I'm pretty sure FFXIV has over 1 million subs closer to 2 million I believe.
Nope, wow still has 10 times SE s 3 major MMOs.