Well, let's have it. -- Do you think this is the least prolific period in the MMO/RPG - Markets? I know it's always a sitaution where we the gamers feel like we are ALWAYS waiting for the next title to deliver.
- However, have we come full circle to both the realization there simply is no title worth waiting for, and we will always be left without what we desire. More over- What about what is currently out. I look over my rather impressive collections of MMOs, and only 1-2 even seem like something i would want to play right now (GW2, FF14) - And neither are games i really -want- to play, but rather in the void of having nothing else to play, they are sufficent time-wasters, i don't really care to play them or not. -- So what happened, do you feel like this is a down-trodden period in the MMO industry, do you think it will recover? -- I'm personally tired of the waiting on "xy" title, and becoming instantly disgusted with the poor tactics employed in the deployment of the game that ends up leaving me right back to waiting on the next title. Can we stick a fork in it, and call it done?
Atm shopping for MMO's is alot like trying to get laid in prison. There's a ton of options but they're all terrible.
I stopped to be a MMOrpg gamer, i stopped caring - after DAOC, SWG (and partly AoC and Secret World) every new game was a giant letdown.
I have no interest in games like Crowfall and others that to me have no appealing World/Races/Classes, probably no fun combat + non combat gameplay and an Art Direction that annoys me.
I really do not like the Art Direction of the majority of the modern games like EQN or Crowfall i.e.
I play Mechwarrior Online which is a MOBA/MMO Bastard with some 1000 concurrent Players fighting (Community Warfare) over the Inner Sphere Starmap (the MMO part) as Lone Wolf or in a Unit (equivalent to a MMOrpg Guild) and several 1000s of concurrent Players doing it Solaris Style (the MOBA part).
I have done more than 17.000 matches and dozens of hours of Community Warfare so far and still have more fun than in every MMOrpg out in the market at a better time consumption profile.
And i still havent started Elite Dangerous yet...there is no place anymore for a generic MMOrpg in my gaming life!
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
I am thoroughly enjoying my time in ESO right now with the caveat that its probably tied for 6th on my list of favorite MMO's along with DDO (for now anyway). EQ, AC, UO, DAOC and LOTRO are my all-time favorites.
With that said, I am more excited about some upcoming RPG's than I am of any MMO currently in development. In the past there was usually at least 1 MMO that I was following very closely with a lot of anticipation. I am following a few games casually right now but so far nothing that has me more than curious. Of course that can change as they get closer to release but so it goes for now.
Del Cabon A US Army ('Just Cause') Vet and MMORPG Native formerly of Trinsic, Norath and Dereth. Currently playing LOTRO.
Never have there been more games available to play.
You know what's a greater tragedy than absolute poverty - is being surrounded by so much abundance and saying that you have nothing.
Perspective
The internet psychologist strikes again. I know you think you sound pretty smart but I doubt the guy in the photo agrees with you that the rich dude not realizing what he has is more tragic than not eating.
And as for your analogy to this mmo thing....just because you have a ton of trash does not negate the fact it is still just trash.
I'm seriously uninterested in every single game in the pipeline. ESO sorta put the nail in the MMO coffin for me. I'm more interested in Pillars of Eternity and The Witcher 3 than I am in any MMO being touted at the moment. When I do want some MMO action, I head back to the older games, WoW and LOTRO. I've got some interest in Rift occasionally and FFXIV, but I see almost all the games coming out in the next year or so as desperate clones of each other with nothing going for them other than flavor of the month.
I consider it a bad era because every time i spend my money and try a game out,i end up feeling ,i want my money back.
Back in the era of 1990-2004 that is a LARGE era about 14-15 years,it was quite good,games kept improving,gpu's were getting better,cpu power was pushed to the limit in games,graphics were as good as they could put out,tech was about as good as they could pull off.So every time we tried a new game in the many genres we felt like it was something SPECIAL.
The best way to describe it is like for all those first time online mmorpg's gamer's Wow was a big improvement over what they had played previously,so to them it was SPECIAL.For myself it happened a bit earlier,Wow at that point was nothing new to me.
I remember a friend came directly from cheap console gaming right into FFXI, he was completely blown away,to me it was great but not that great as it was to him because he had never seen anything like it.
Today's market,we have seen it already,done it already and in MANY cases already seen and played better,so this market is NOT putting out a very good effort.
This era is the era of BUDGET game design,thousands of upstart developers with small teams and small budgets trying to break into gaming.Browser gaming,Moba's ,phone and tablet gaming not exactly the BEST effort they can do,just a cost effective effort.
MOBAs like DOTA were innovative as hell when they came out for the first time. Mobile gaming (phone/tablet) has tons of cool and innovative games. There are tons of clones as well but they have a lot of games which are awesome and new concepts. If anything I find more fun and engaging games on mobile than for PC as there they at least have quite a few games which are "unique".
I am not sure it's the worst time to be an MMO player. Back when I started playing MMOs they were novel. If I had played as many MMOs at the time as I have now I would have not been impressed by any of those MMOs too. It's like playing shooters. Once you played a few, you've played them all.
At the moment I don't really play MMOs or any games for that matter but that's due to me being bored with games (nothing to do with quality of games) and due to having very little time to play them. Most of my "gaming" time is spent trolling on these forums.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Well, let's have it. -- Do you think this is the least prolific period in the MMO/RPG - Markets? I know it's always a sitaution where we the gamers feel like we are ALWAYS waiting for the next title to deliver.
- However, have we come full circle to both the realization there simply is no title worth waiting for, and we will always be left without what we desire. More over- What about what is currently out. I look over my rather impressive collections of MMOs, and only 1-2 even seem like something i would want to play right now (GW2, FF14) - And neither are games i really -want- to play, but rather in the void of having nothing else to play, they are sufficent time-wasters, i don't really care to play them or not. -- So what happened, do you feel like this is a down-trodden period in the MMO industry, do you think it will recover? -- I'm personally tired of the waiting on "xy" title, and becoming instantly disgusted with the poor tactics employed in the deployment of the game that ends up leaving me right back to waiting on the next title. Can we stick a fork in it, and call it done?
Apparently you pick the wrong MMOs to play, then yes, it might be a bad time.....for you.
Others enjoy their MMOs.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
2008 was, hands down, the worst year for MMO gamers, developers and the genre as a whole. One big year of misguided mess.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Never have there been more games available to play.
You know what's a greater tragedy than absolute poverty - is being surrounded by so much abundance and saying that you have nothing.
Perspective
The internet psychologist strikes again. I know you think you sound pretty smart but I doubt the guy in the photo agrees with you that the rich dude not realizing what he has is more tragic than not eating.
And as for your analogy to this mmo thing....just because you have a ton of trash does not negate the fact it is still just trash.
We are talking about voluntary leisure activities. Not just a couple of them, but hundreds to choose from. Instead of just playing with a different type of toy in your near endless toychest, you'd rather collectively complain about how none of the hundred versions of one particular toy are perfectly designed for just you.
Yes, dude... perspective.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Originally posted by BadSpock ... let's see.More players playing than ever? Check.More games available than ever? Check.More variety in setting and style? Check.More options in payment model? Check.More platforms to choose to play MMOs on? Check.Yup, sounds terrible.
That was my thought, too.
For the genre, this is a great time to be an MMO. For me personally, not so much. But I am just one out of a bazillion
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
We are talking about voluntary leisure activities. Not just a couple of them, but hundreds to choose from. Instead of just playing with a different type of toy in your near endless toychest, you'd rather collectively complain about how none of the hundred versions of one particular toy are perfectly designed for just you.
Yes, dude... perspective.
If the bulk of toys in that "endless toychest" consist of cheap plastic Made in China Dollar Store kyfe, don't be all shocked and awed if the kiddies be a cryin'.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
We are talking about voluntary leisure activities. Not just a couple of them, but hundreds to choose from. Instead of just playing with a different type of toy in your near endless toychest, you'd rather collectively complain about how none of the hundred versions of one particular toy are perfectly designed for just you.
Yes, dude... perspective.
If the bulk of toys in that "endless toychest" consist of cheap plastic Made in China Dollar Store kyfe, don't be all shocked and awed if the kiddies be a cryin'.
I kinda thought all the kiddies were enjoying themselves and the old folgies are the ones crying.
We are talking about voluntary leisure activities. Not just a couple of them, but hundreds to choose from. Instead of just playing with a different type of toy in your near endless toychest, you'd rather collectively complain about how none of the hundred versions of one particular toy are perfectly designed for just you.
Yes, dude... perspective.
If the bulk of toys in that "endless toychest" consist of cheap plastic Made in China Dollar Store kyfe, don't be all shocked and awed if the kiddies be a cryin'.
But the kiddies aren't all crying, just a select group of them is.
This group prefers to play with brown rubber ducks. Most other kids (the overwhelming majority) like yellow rubber ducks, so ofcourse the yellow ducks get made, simply because they sell best.
This prompts the brown rubber duck loving kids to constantly yell "You suck! Your ducks are crap! You are stupidz!" at all the neighbors' kids who enjoy using the yellow ones.
We are talking about voluntary leisure activities. Not just a couple of them, but hundreds to choose from. Instead of just playing with a different type of toy in your near endless toychest, you'd rather collectively complain about how none of the hundred versions of one particular toy are perfectly designed for just you.
Yes, dude... perspective.
If the bulk of toys in that "endless toychest" consist of cheap plastic Made in China Dollar Store kyfe, don't be all shocked and awed if the kiddies be a cryin'.
But the kiddies aren't all crying, just a select group of them is.
This group prefers to play with brown rubber ducks. Most other kids (the overwhelming majority) like yellow rubber ducks, so ofcourse the yellow ducks get made, simply because they sell best.
This prompts the brown rubber duck loving kids to constantly yell "You suck! Your ducks are crap! You are stupidz!" at all the neighbors' kids who enjoy using the yellow ones.
Its more like 1 group of kids who like rubber ducks, and 1 group that likes new fancy paper mache ducks. The paper mache ducks are easier to make, and became super trendy, but don't last more than a few weeks. The old rubber duck kids can't help laughing at the dopes with their fake paper mache ducks and say, "Man it sure will be nice when this trend is over with and we can get ducks again that are actually made to last."
We are talking about voluntary leisure activities. Not just a couple of them, but hundreds to choose from. Instead of just playing with a different type of toy in your near endless toychest, you'd rather collectively complain about how none of the hundred versions of one particular toy are perfectly designed for just you.
Yes, dude... perspective.
If the bulk of toys in that "endless toychest" consist of cheap plastic Made in China Dollar Store kyfe, don't be all shocked and awed if the kiddies be a cryin'.
But the kiddies aren't all crying, just a select group of them is.
This group prefers to play with brown rubber ducks. Most other kids (the overwhelming majority) like yellow rubber ducks, so ofcourse the yellow ducks get made, simply because they sell best.
This prompts the brown rubber duck loving kids to constantly yell "You suck! Your ducks are crap! You are stupidz!" at all the neighbors' kids who enjoy using the yellow ones.
Its more like 1 group of kids who like rubber ducks, and 1 group that likes new fancy paper mache ducks. The paper mache ducks are easier to make, and became super trendy, but don't last more than a few weeks. The old rubber duck kids can't help laughing at the dopes with their fake paper mache ducks and say, "Man it sure will be nice when this trend is over with and we can get ducks again that are actually made to last."
What is this made to last BS. Me and my friends have been playing FFXIV ARR since closed beta. How is that not lasting. It's also not the only game we're playing because we have so many choices. Games back in the day weren't made to last any more than today. There were just too few to choose from back in the day and people didn't have a choice but to stick with the same games. With so many games these days why would someone limit themselves. That's plain ignorant if you ask me.
I'll say that this is a pretty bad time mainly since the gaming business is less about producing good games and more about money. Not to say that gaming companies weren't money driven to begin with. I guess its just the gaming "ethics" have changed a lot over the years. If you were apart of certain betas and such that meant you were special and what not. Also there was a lot less competition compared to now so you have bigger companies conforming to the norms since every kid with a comp in their mother's basement can produce a MMO now. Pretty much its a big free for all with so many companies and individuals trying to cash in on and many people dont seem to mind it. Not to say that some games aren't good, but many have shady business models or cut corners and expect the same or better results. Sadly, that's not just gaming but almost every business.
Yeah its pretty crappy. There is nothing out there with true depth anymore and nothing on the horizon with it either. And lore, heh, seems like most devs said "Fuck is lore? Fuck that lore shit", "Large open virtual worlds? Screw that crap, tunnel maps, lots of interconnected tunnels and invisible walls. Yeaah...Next you'll be suggesting people actually want to be in a virtual world and adventure. Screw that crap, quest hubs, taxi cabs to everywhere, instant teleportation. - Hell my ADHD just can't take havin to actually see the world anymore. Besides I have dungeons to run for the 100th time for those "Boots of Who Gives a Fuck".
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
We are talking about voluntary leisure activities. Not just a couple of them, but hundreds to choose from. Instead of just playing with a different type of toy in your near endless toychest, you'd rather collectively complain about how none of the hundred versions of one particular toy are perfectly designed for just you.
Yes, dude... perspective.
If the bulk of toys in that "endless toychest" consist of cheap plastic Made in China Dollar Store kyfe, don't be all shocked and awed if the kiddies be a cryin'.
But the kiddies aren't all crying, just a select group of them is.
This group prefers to play with brown rubber ducks. Most other kids (the overwhelming majority) like yellow rubber ducks, so ofcourse the yellow ducks get made, simply because they sell best.
This prompts the brown rubber duck loving kids to constantly yell "You suck! Your ducks are crap! You are stupidz!" at all the neighbors' kids who enjoy using the yellow ones.
Its more like 1 group of kids who like rubber ducks, and 1 group that likes new fancy paper mache ducks. The paper mache ducks are easier to make, and became super trendy, but don't last more than a few weeks. The old rubber duck kids can't help laughing at the dopes with their fake paper mache ducks and say, "Man it sure will be nice when this trend is over with and we can get ducks again that are actually made to last."
Dullahan with the analogy war win!
Well done.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
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Now that is some funny shit right there!
MMO's have been trying to cater to too large an audience. Mixing grouping, PVP, group oriented content, solo oriented content, class balancing...
Wow has been the only one to walk that tightrope and a fail in any one aspect results in a game that is broken.
I stopped to be a MMOrpg gamer, i stopped caring - after DAOC, SWG (and partly AoC and Secret World) every new game was a giant letdown.
I have no interest in games like Crowfall and others that to me have no appealing World/Races/Classes, probably no fun combat + non combat gameplay and an Art Direction that annoys me.
I really do not like the Art Direction of the majority of the modern games like EQN or Crowfall i.e.
I play Mechwarrior Online which is a MOBA/MMO Bastard with some 1000 concurrent Players fighting (Community Warfare) over the Inner Sphere Starmap (the MMO part) as Lone Wolf or in a Unit (equivalent to a MMOrpg Guild) and several 1000s of concurrent Players doing it Solaris Style (the MOBA part).
I have done more than 17.000 matches and dozens of hours of Community Warfare so far and still have more fun than in every MMOrpg out in the market at a better time consumption profile.
And i still havent started Elite Dangerous yet...there is no place anymore for a generic MMOrpg in my gaming life!
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
I am thoroughly enjoying my time in ESO right now with the caveat that its probably tied for 6th on my list of favorite MMO's along with DDO (for now anyway). EQ, AC, UO, DAOC and LOTRO are my all-time favorites.
With that said, I am more excited about some upcoming RPG's than I am of any MMO currently in development. In the past there was usually at least 1 MMO that I was following very closely with a lot of anticipation. I am following a few games casually right now but so far nothing that has me more than curious. Of course that can change as they get closer to release but so it goes for now.
Del Cabon
A US Army ('Just Cause') Vet and MMORPG Native formerly of Trinsic, Norath and Dereth. Currently playing LOTRO.
About sums it up for me.
Or maybe you just have terrible taste or are easily amused? I mean...since we are discrediting people and all.
The internet psychologist strikes again. I know you think you sound pretty smart but I doubt the guy in the photo agrees with you that the rich dude not realizing what he has is more tragic than not eating.
And as for your analogy to this mmo thing....just because you have a ton of trash does not negate the fact it is still just trash.
There has never been a worse time to be an MMORPG gamer.
And it will not likely improve any time soon, all the crap MMO companies need to go under first.
MOBAs like DOTA were innovative as hell when they came out for the first time. Mobile gaming (phone/tablet) has tons of cool and innovative games. There are tons of clones as well but they have a lot of games which are awesome and new concepts. If anything I find more fun and engaging games on mobile than for PC as there they at least have quite a few games which are "unique".
I am not sure it's the worst time to be an MMO player. Back when I started playing MMOs they were novel. If I had played as many MMOs at the time as I have now I would have not been impressed by any of those MMOs too. It's like playing shooters. Once you played a few, you've played them all.
At the moment I don't really play MMOs or any games for that matter but that's due to me being bored with games (nothing to do with quality of games) and due to having very little time to play them. Most of my "gaming" time is spent trolling on these forums.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Apparently you pick the wrong MMOs to play, then yes, it might be a bad time.....for you.
Others enjoy their MMOs.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
We are talking about voluntary leisure activities. Not just a couple of them, but hundreds to choose from. Instead of just playing with a different type of toy in your near endless toychest, you'd rather collectively complain about how none of the hundred versions of one particular toy are perfectly designed for just you.
Yes, dude... perspective.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
For the genre, this is a great time to be an MMO. For me personally, not so much. But I am just one out of a bazillion
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
If I could highlight what you just said a thousand times, I would.
If the bulk of toys in that "endless toychest" consist of cheap plastic Made in China Dollar Store kyfe, don't be all shocked and awed if the kiddies be a cryin'.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I kinda thought all the kiddies were enjoying themselves and the old folgies are the ones crying.
But the kiddies aren't all crying, just a select group of them is.
This group prefers to play with brown rubber ducks. Most other kids (the overwhelming majority) like yellow rubber ducks, so ofcourse the yellow ducks get made, simply because they sell best.
This prompts the brown rubber duck loving kids to constantly yell "You suck! Your ducks are crap! You are stupidz!" at all the neighbors' kids who enjoy using the yellow ones.
Its more like 1 group of kids who like rubber ducks, and 1 group that likes new fancy paper mache ducks. The paper mache ducks are easier to make, and became super trendy, but don't last more than a few weeks. The old rubber duck kids can't help laughing at the dopes with their fake paper mache ducks and say, "Man it sure will be nice when this trend is over with and we can get ducks again that are actually made to last."
What is this made to last BS. Me and my friends have been playing FFXIV ARR since closed beta. How is that not lasting. It's also not the only game we're playing because we have so many choices. Games back in the day weren't made to last any more than today. There were just too few to choose from back in the day and people didn't have a choice but to stick with the same games. With so many games these days why would someone limit themselves. That's plain ignorant if you ask me.
Yeah its pretty crappy. There is nothing out there with true depth anymore and nothing on the horizon with it either. And lore, heh, seems like most devs said "Fuck is lore? Fuck that lore shit", "Large open virtual worlds? Screw that crap, tunnel maps, lots of interconnected tunnels and invisible walls. Yeaah...Next you'll be suggesting people actually want to be in a virtual world and adventure. Screw that crap, quest hubs, taxi cabs to everywhere, instant teleportation. - Hell my ADHD just can't take havin to actually see the world anymore. Besides I have dungeons to run for the 100th time for those "Boots of Who Gives a Fuck".
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Dullahan with the analogy war win!
Well done.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I'm not saying FFXIV is bad, but that is what, 1 year?
Come back in another 10 - 15 years. Then we can discuss long lasting.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
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