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Yeah bad luck always hits when it hurts most. Been there more than once.
It all sounds like you just went public (entered the marketing phase) way too early.
So you can't really blame people for some negative critique. (graphics etc.)
On the positive side, contrary to some others working on the project you seem to know how to handle this. So, props to you, being able to take in the negative stuff and pull useful feedback out of it is a must. Just keep that other guy locked in the basement. Lashing out is a total amateur move that no game dev should ever do. As they say, if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I'd say pin the visual design / art style down quickly. Hire a good lead artist for this and avoid putting out anything that looks amateur-ish, people interpret that as the whole project being amateur-ish, even if it's not the case.
You can have the best gameplay, but most people will never know if they don't even really inform themselves about your game or try playing due to easily fixable things like the amateur-ish visuals.
I wish you the best of luck for heading towards success. The more fun games the better.
If you folks are serious about making an mmo you should drop the greed monger name because it carries a very bad rep.
We have already been through this... We aren't changing the name. We just have our work cut out for us trying to change the bad rep. that we have gotten!
Company Owner
MMO Interactive
Why keep a name that has nothing but bad news attached to it with no legal obligation to do so? Unless you are feeding off negative press. In which case that shows the lack of confidence you have in this project.
Or it means they actually have the confidence to turn their bad rep into a positive...
But to be honst about the game itself the concept of the game is very promising, but the excecution so far from what has been shown regardless it's version is something I believe might do well in the mobile/tablet market not so sure pc wise.
Either way I do hope these developers grab this challenge to proof many wrong and wish them luck!
Check out these links and make your own opinions...
Atavism Engine - http://atavismonline.com/ License 70$ Veterans Licence 240$
Neosland Chan - https://www.youtube.com/user/neoslandMMO
Here is a video on how to add their entire claim system in 9 mins. -
Jean makes great tutorials btw anyone who wants to take a crack at atavism.
I really admire your determination JamesP, however ... Everytime I see a post about Greed Monger's progress, you immediately pop up to say "that's not the build we're using now, we're much further along". However, each time I see a video, it looks exactly the same.
Why don't you actually release some footage of the "advanced" game you have up your sleeve, instead of just showing the same thing over and over? At the very least, people should be able to immediately see the difference between the two, wouldn't they?
Just trying to help.
JamesP, you seem like a good guy. But you're wearing all the hats in this games development. I thought you guys had a PR person, now? At least, I'm fairly certain that's what you said in the last post I saw about Greed Monger.
For the record we have the Vet. License of Atavism which is a whole lot more then $70 and we never tried to hide the fact that we use Atavism. Also I do custom Server side Plugins for Atavism and Unity both AND I was one of the first people to have access to the Atavism Plugin Source Code. I was the person behind Atavism's very first Crafting System... They pulled it as a result of a Dispute I had with them but it was still the Crafting System in Atavism for a while. The Original Day/Night Cycle in Neo's Land was a Custom Coded Cycle I my self created and gave to them for their early KickStarter Releases and I was even the one responsible for some of the Audio Foot Step Sounds and stuff in those Early Neo's Land Releases. I have created Countless Server Side Plugins including one for UniStorm that allows the Server to sync up the UniStorm Day/Night Cycle between all of the clients and it even allows the Server to control the Weather Generated by UniStorm.
All of the Assets in GM are all Models we added alot of them are custom some are Asset Store bought...
Company Owner
MMO Interactive
So I just saw your post count... Let me get this straight... You registered here on MMORPG.com JUST to try and say that GM is a Scam...
lol wow and as for your comment about if I should get money... YOU may be a small hobby Project but we AREN'T. It takes money to develop a Commercially Viable MMO. Do you have a Server your renting? Do you have a team that requires Pay? Are you using Custom Models that costs money to buy or have Developed Custom? And for the Record when we started out and Launched our KickStarter we were NOT using Atavism. We did our KickStarter long before Atavism came on the scene. And something else for the record I am Volunteer... I have Seen VERY little of the KickStarter money. I am working on GM Full Time Volunteer because I believe in the Game and Vision we are trying to build and I believe in our Community and all of our KickStarter backers and I WANT more then anything to give them the game they deserve and bought into.
Company Owner
MMO Interactive
Yeah I dont post much. Couldnt remember my username and password. Why does that matter? I saw pics of a game that didnt even bother to change the presets of Atavism.
I did get a server up. Ran it on Azure. We got 90 people on it the weekend we stopped doing the hobby project. Our hobby project that looked identical to you professional product. Built by 3 people. Over 3 months. Had a bit of a problem with collision detection. Im sure you know all about it.... You more than likely logged in
Sorry but no I didn't log in. First of all it couldn't have looked Identical since alot of our models are Custom Built ONLY available in our game... As for maybe the visual Quality looking roughly the same yes I hear people complain alot that all Unity Games look roughly the same... You use the same shaders, the same Post effects, ect. the games are going to look similar. Not much can be done about that. As for you guys having 3 people awesome... You have us beat. At the moment I am responsible for world building, Programming, UI, you name it... We do have a team of 5 or 6 QA Testers though but I am the single Developer working on developing Greed Monger.
Company Owner
MMO Interactive
Just my gut feeling, but I don't believe a full featured MMORPG can be created for under $10M, and too many indies claim to be doing it with far less.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Full featured means different things to different people... Sandbox MMOs just require systems be put into place that allows the players to create their own fun... Those sets of systems can be expanded upon as the Game Grows and the Developers see what direction the players want to take the game in. They aren't like Themeparks which require hours upon hours of story driven quests that help the players advance.
Company Owner
MMO Interactive
well good luck.
Not going to say its an outright scam but its damn close. You emailed several of us some months ago with information I promised not to say anything about. Also promised a pr guy. No announcement and I see you here defending greed monger again , alone.
I just dont trust anything you say concerning this game. Just show us what you have when you're done I suppose because everything you say never happens or changes and there is always a reason but nevertheless.
I'm sure many of us want to see indie's make an engaging mmo. That being said, I checked out the website but didnt see many screen/videos of combat.
Can we get an up to date video of combat gameplay?
Thanks!
Werewolf Online(R) - Lead Developer
You've spent 3 years developing a game for someone and you haven't received nearly any pay for it?
James, Leave. Working like that for that long isn't living. And for what? Some obligation to backers? That is on whoever started GM. The person that was supposed to be running GM as a profitable business. But it isn't.
I have nothing against you, GM, or anyone associated with GM. It just sounds like a bad situation and are being taken advantage of. I have been in a situation like that before and there was never going to be a stage where it was finished and I'd see any return on my effort. The best thing to do is take your experience learned from Unity and join a development team that Will be Profitable.
Please don't take this the wrong way. Just think about your exit strategy. Every Developer needs one.
oh look, another kickstarter game
Agreed! especially the part in red.
And I also agree this is a Hobby project. Nothing wrong with that in itself, but dont bill it as something it is not. Working on a game a few days a week when you are not babysitting your brothers kids does not a professional developer make.
If you guys want to work for free and make a game then I wish you all the best of luck, hopefully one day you will make it big
But you guys should have never taken peoples money for something that is essentially a hobby project. I can see the appeal of jumping in on the KS craze and hype, but shouldnt have done it.....
I do however wish you guys luck, if nothing else for the KS backers & donators.
+1
James, if you're running this thing pretty much solo, respect from me. Just keep your head down and work. Let your results speak for themselves. Maybe post some pics every once and a while and say still chugging along.