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AA server merges incomming

RivolRivol Member UncommonPosts: 79

Trion have announced on their forums that mergers will be occurring along with server transfers later this year, either Q3 or Q4.

 

They state they don't plan to merge servers in the traditional sense, they are planning something different. We all wait to see what they mean by this, because with the non instanced housing a normal merge will upset a lot of people. Lots of players have spent many months building their houses and plots, usually at great expense. To see that wiped would be heartbreaking. 

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  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327

     

    They are preparing everyone well in advance in hopes of attaining a soft landing.   Not sure they can pull it off though.  That's about as toxic a community as they come.  Prepare for armageddon.

  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,092
    I indeed wonder how they want to merge the servers because of the owned land for both players and guilds. Aside from that, if the merge comes through I might pick it up and give it a try. I liked it back in alpha but some changes after it were extremely ...meh...
  • nolfnolf Member UncommonPosts: 869

    Really interested to see how a server merge will work in regards to the player owned land.

     

    *gets popcorn and awaits another AA shitshow*

    I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    This is the biggest problem with none instanced housing, really. I can't say that I have a good solution for it either, puzzling in 2 or more differents servers lots together is a gigantic work and no matter how you do it some people will be upset.

    Megaserver technology just don't work in cases like this, at least not any current. I guess you could create something that would use phasing in all cases where 2 or more players have the same lot so you only see the one who used to play on your server but it would still be far from optimal and a lot of work to even make it work.

    The whole server population thing is a huge problem that many MMOs have been plagued with.

  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    They should leave it be, to me an empty server just makes the world feel larger.
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802

    I don't remember any time where they impressed me with the way they handled bugs or cheating.

    So I dare to say that their "non-traditional" merge is just bs. When the time comes they will declare that they have no solution and will ask people for their understanding.

    Harbinger of Fools
  • Good_ApolloGood_Apollo Member UncommonPosts: 55

    Instead of merging servers, why doesn't Trion start working on actually attracting players to the fucking game? Oh, because step 1 would require they stop doing literally everything they're doing that's pushing people away - and that'll never happen.

     

    You know, I wish Trion never picked ArcheAge up. Not saying it would have been perfect with another publisher, but I'm positive another company would have done some things better.

  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    Originally posted by Good_Apollo

    Instead of merging servers, why doesn't Trion start working on actually attracting players to the fucking game? Oh, because step 1 would require they stop doing literally everything they're doing that's pushing people away - and that'll never happen.

     

    You know, I wish Trion never picked ArcheAge up. Not saying it would have been perfect with another publisher, but I'm positive another company would have done some things better.

    What part that trion pushing away people? most the stuff ingame are base off xlgame on there end, so it would of been worst in a other company hands.

  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Good_Apollo

    Instead of merging servers, why doesn't Trion start working on actually attracting players to the fucking game? Oh, because step 1 would require they stop doing literally everything they're doing that's pushing people away - and that'll never happen.

     

    You know, I wish Trion never picked ArcheAge up. Not saying it would have been perfect with another publisher, but I'm positive another company would have done some things better.

     

    Since you have zero visibility on what goes on between Trion and XL - your entire post is pure conjecture.

    maybe , but the server merges supports his theory

    given the history of the devs and AA community, this will be a cataclysm of EPIC proportions

    something, like this killed all the dinosaurs..maybe this one will bring them back?

  • sanshi44sanshi44 Member UncommonPosts: 1,187

    Well this is happening to late for me to go back to AA but those still playing or thinking of going back due to higher population now good luck,

    A server merge has already happened on both korean and russian servers i beleive and if i remember correctly they just basicly wiped the world and everyone had 2 replace the properties down again (They receive all resources back for the built houses and plans for house) they simply had 2 find a spot to place it and build it with the resources again. Weather or not Trion uses that method is another story though.

  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    Originally posted by simplius
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Good_Apollo

    Instead of merging servers, why doesn't Trion start working on actually attracting players to the fucking game? Oh, because step 1 would require they stop doing literally everything they're doing that's pushing people away - and that'll never happen.

    You know, I wish Trion never picked ArcheAge up. Not saying it would have been perfect with another publisher, but I'm positive another company would have done some things better.

    Since you have zero visibility on what goes on between Trion and XL - your entire post is pure conjecture.

    maybe , but the server merges supports his theory

    given the history of the devs and AA community, this will be a cataclysm of EPIC proportions

    something, like this killed all the dinosaurs..maybe this one will bring them back?

    Actually no.  His theory is that Trion had significant influence on the form the game took in its release to the West, this is not supported by any evidence.  He further theorizes that Trion is in a position to alter the game to attract a larger audience, again this is not supported by any evidence.

    What is available is evidence that server mergers will happen and I see this as a sign of a low population.

    As DMKano said "Since you have zero visibility on what goes on between Trion and XL - your entire post is pure conjecture. "

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Originally posted by craftseeker
    Originally posted by simplius
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Good_Apollo

    Instead of merging servers, why doesn't Trion start working on actually attracting players to the fucking game? Oh, because step 1 would require they stop doing literally everything they're doing that's pushing people away - and that'll never happen.

    You know, I wish Trion never picked ArcheAge up. Not saying it would have been perfect with another publisher, but I'm positive another company would have done some things better.

    Since you have zero visibility on what goes on between Trion and XL - your entire post is pure conjecture.

    maybe , but the server merges supports his theory

    given the history of the devs and AA community, this will be a cataclysm of EPIC proportions

    something, like this killed all the dinosaurs..maybe this one will bring them back?

    Actually no.  His theory is that Trion had significant influence on the form the game took in its release to the West, this is not supported by any evidence.  He further theorizes that Trion is in a position to alter the game to attract a larger audience, again this is not supported by any evidence.

    What is available is evidence that server mergers will happen and I see this as a sign of a low population.

    As DMKano said "Since you have zero visibility on what goes on between Trion and XL - your entire post is pure conjecture. "

    Agreed, Trion have come in for a lot of flack over this game, which i am not sure they really deserve, as unless they have some kind of control over the games coding, there is not much they can really do to improve/change things, thats not to say that Trion are entirely blameless, but perhaps they are not the devils they are often made out to be, strange though that Trion comes in for such a lambasting and yet XLGames seems to get a relatively free pass, all things considered.image

  • PemminPemmin Member UncommonPosts: 623
    Originally posted by Phry
    Originally posted by craftseeker
    Originally posted by simplius
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Good_Apollo

    Instead of merging servers, why doesn't Trion start working on actually attracting players to the fucking game? Oh, because step 1 would require they stop doing literally everything they're doing that's pushing people away - and that'll never happen.

    You know, I wish Trion never picked ArcheAge up. Not saying it would have been perfect with another publisher, but I'm positive another company would have done some things better.

    Since you have zero visibility on what goes on between Trion and XL - your entire post is pure conjecture.

    maybe , but the server merges supports his theory

    given the history of the devs and AA community, this will be a cataclysm of EPIC proportions

    something, like this killed all the dinosaurs..maybe this one will bring them back?

    Actually no.  His theory is that Trion had significant influence on the form the game took in its release to the West, this is not supported by any evidence.  He further theorizes that Trion is in a position to alter the game to attract a larger audience, again this is not supported by any evidence.

    What is available is evidence that server mergers will happen and I see this as a sign of a low population.

    As DMKano said "Since you have zero visibility on what goes on between Trion and XL - your entire post is pure conjecture. "

    Agreed, Trion have come in for a lot of flack over this game, which i am not sure they really deserve, as unless they have some kind of control over the games coding, there is not much they can really do to improve/change things, thats not to say that Trion are entirely blameless, but perhaps they are not the devils they are often made out to be, strange though that Trion comes in for such a lambasting and yet XLGames seems to get a relatively free pass, all things considered.image

    they should have negotiated for more influence and control with XLG from the beginning or took a pass on the game. trion deserves every bit of flack it got because of poor decision making from the onset, and the inability as a publisher to tell XLG "no". The only real question is if the profits made from AA are worth the future profit losses associated with their now tarnished reputation. sadly the answer to that question is "probably".

    XLG doesn't get lambasted because its common knowledge that the regular development practice in korea is to follow the cash grab model. we all knew what XL was going to do from the beginning.....it was trion's responsibility as a local publisher to localized all aspects(payment model, customer service, hack/bot prevention etc) of the game for this market.

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655

    Sigman Formerly of Laughing Coffin Ollo  (The really bad guys)  

    I said they'd never do server merges, I was wrong. 

    Oh well this game went under when they went overtly pay to win.

  • WolfClawsWolfClaws Member UncommonPosts: 638

    Respect to Trion, they maintain as much transparency as possible as a publisher in regards to ArcheAge.

     

    The problem is XL Games.  The South Korean company just does not tell Trion how things are going to go.  

     

    How do I know this?  Do I have an inside  track into Trion? No.   Watch their livestreams, the key people involved, and I mean deeply involved with the development (more like translation and modifications to the Korean version) do not know the answers when asked certain questions.  Simple questions a developer staff could answer.  But they cannot, and they stumble on those questions.

     

    ArcheAge isn't a bad game... It's just a Korean game, westernized a great deal.  Example, Outfits in the Korean version bestow crazy stat enhancements.  Outfits in Trion's?  Just appearance.

     

    Will this server merge work out for everyone?  I have too much real life AND gaming experience to know that is a lie.  People are going to lose their space.  It will be executed probably the same as they did with the last update... your house and farms get uprooted, you get a thank you gift, and the difference will be.... you have a newfound land rush.  But they were adamant when the server would be up.  So you can schedule your time at  the computer to log in.

  • VooDoo_PapaVooDoo_Papa Member UncommonPosts: 897

    my guess, theyre probably creating a new server(s) to merge old ones in to. Nobody keeps land or castles, its all wiped and there will be a new land grab when the server goes live. I would also suspect Auroria wont be available right off the bat.

    I dont see how they could do it any other way, unless they fix how land is obtained theres going to be a land grab. They also mentioned its not going to be done using "traditional" methods, I mean really how could it be with non-instanced land ownership and castles?

     

    I think its going to be a mess any way they go. Even if all land is removed, people are going to be pissed. If somehow they work it where people get to keep land, others will be pissed. Im also going to assume people on low pop servers are going to be liquidating as much as they can until this merge, which means the economy could likely be pretty exciting until then.

    myself, im on a low pop server. Im pretty confident it will be merged, and I own several plots of land. I'm already contemplating selling it all while I can, because if I wait I could miss out on a couple thousand gold to use after the merge.

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  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,222
    My character was on a higher pop server.  Couldn't get land so I quit.  Merging servers so people can't get land again...great idea.  If having land wasn't so damn important and PvE was actually worth a crap the game might not be so annoying.
  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935

    Might be the final nail in the coffin for this one.

  • karmathkarmath Member UncommonPosts: 904
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Good_Apollo

    Instead of merging servers, why doesn't Trion start working on actually attracting players to the fucking game? Oh, because step 1 would require they stop doing literally everything they're doing that's pushing people away - and that'll never happen.

     

    You know, I wish Trion never picked ArcheAge up. Not saying it would have been perfect with another publisher, but I'm positive another company would have done some things better.

     

    Since you have zero visibility on what goes on between Trion and XL - your entire post is pure conjecture.

    Its pretty much fact the Trion is what fucked AA, people who say otherwise were not at launch or were a casual player whom had no idea of the economy or endgame, sorry. Trion consciously decided to wipe the AH of suspected bot account posted labor pots in the first week of the second month of release without any mind or even expectation to the destruction it would unleash on the economy. Labor pots doubled in price every 6 hours with the the price settling at  a 1000% of  where they started at, forcing people with a decent amount of land to either spend hundreds of real money on a month on pots or quit the game. Then just when things were looking like they were about to recover they did it again with previous knowledge and didnt do a damm thing to mitigate it. Then on top of that they threw thunderstruck trees in the cash shop which again decimated the economy that was already in a depression.

    And dont get me started on the 6 hour server ques in beta that went live and they stated the didnt expect it. Trion is a shitful company run by money grabbers and the inept.

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Good_Apollo

    Instead of merging servers, why doesn't Trion start working on actually attracting players to the fucking game? Oh, because step 1 would require they stop doing literally everything they're doing that's pushing people away - and that'll never happen.

     

    You know, I wish Trion never picked ArcheAge up. Not saying it would have been perfect with another publisher, but I'm positive another company would have done some things better.

     

    Since you have zero visibility on what goes on between Trion and XL - your entire post is pure conjecture.

    You do the same with every other game.  i still don't understand how all your buddies at Trion don't fear for their jobs leaking out all this information to you.  Don't they have to sign NDAs?

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Not saying i have inside information or anything, i really don't, but, one has to wonder, with the merges incoming, i would not be at all surprised if those people who obtained their properties via some third party app or whatever, have a lower priority on land ownership if the area they are situated on is contested through the merger, i could also see a number of property speculators also suddenly finding themselves divested of said properties as well. Should be interesting image
  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    En Masse should have gotten ArcheAge.
  • aslan132aslan132 Member UncommonPosts: 630

    I cant pretend to know how Trion will handle the land in a server merge, but I can offer up what other versions of the game (KN) did, and you should expect something similar to happen. 

     

    They removed all owned land from both servers, sent all the blueprints back, and when the new server opened, it was a massive land grab all over again. Neither server had priority, you had to run and fight for the land you got, just like on launch (but worse because everyone is leveled and geared now). I would expect something similar to happen here. The only difference may be if Trion recognizes the need for different time zones and availabilty, and opens up only certain zones and housing areas, and fills them in time slots.

  • RivolRivol Member UncommonPosts: 79
    Originally posted by aslan132

    I cant pretend to know how Trion will handle the land in a server merge, but I can offer up what other versions of the game (KN) did, and you should expect something similar to happen. 

     

    They removed all owned land from both servers, sent all the blueprints back, and when the new server opened, it was a massive land grab all over again. Neither server had priority, you had to run and fight for the land you got, just like on launch (but worse because everyone is leveled and geared now). I would expect something similar to happen here. The only difference may be if Trion recognizes the need for different time zones and availabilty, and opens up only certain zones and housing areas, and fills them in time slots.

    I believe you are right, but in the KN mergers didn't everyone get mailed their house/farm plans, furniture and building materials? So all they had to do was find a plot and build. Of course when you merge there just simply isn't going to be enough plots to go around so many will miss out. Especially guilds who have multiple plots joined with mansions etc.

    And of course, if you are not there to log in within the first 5 minutes of the server opening you are screwed. All the plots will go in nano-seconds.

    I suspect Trion will know this will lose them customers, but they are willing to wear that because the near dead servers must be losing them money.

  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,536
    Originally posted by grimal

    Might be the final nail in the coffin for this one.

    The final nail in the coffin will come when the west catches up with the east in expansions.  The fact that they can accelerate the timeline and keep translating and cranking out content is the only thing that has kept this game from becoming a complete ghost town.


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