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A Poll for free to play players

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  • sunandshadowsunandshadow Member RarePosts: 1,985
    I've played lots of f2p games but none of the poll options really describe my experiences.  Mostly the way it works is that the people paying cash every month are the ones who are too young/dumb/short on time to make money or obtain rare items within the game.  They trade at least half their cash shop currency or items to other players who have more cleverness and/or time to earn the in-game rewards.  So the system benefits at least two different groups of players in two different ways.  Also, whether cash shop items create a pay-to-win situation depends on the individual game; some games focus a lot more on costumes, mounts, pets, gamble-boxes, convenience services like inventory expansions or auto-loot-collecting pets, or waiting-avoidance-consumables.
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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    Originally posted by sunandshadow
    They trade at least half their cash shop currency or items to other players who have more time to earn the in-game rewards.  So the system benefits at least two different groups of players in two different ways.  

    Cutting out all the pointless insults, the above is correct. Of the various benefits, offering a system of trade between the players spending time and the players spending money makes the game more enjoyable for both. 

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  • JDis25JDis25 Member RarePosts: 1,353

    I have never heard of a F2P game that cared about gameplay balance except TERA. I think Aion tries, but fails because gameplay is a grindfest with or without cash-shop xp pots. Rift does an OK job at it.

     

    I have heard about B2P without a subscription caring about gameplay....

    That being said I actually enjoyed Archeage at launch, before the whales could take over and once you quit you can't ever go back, you'll be left in the dust. SWTOR: you can't play free forever, it's just not possible/feasible. LOTRO: same, gated content.

     

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    Originally posted by JDis25

    I have never heard of a F2P game that cared about gameplay balance except TERA. 

    Either you work in the industry and these discussions are over your paygrade or you don't work in the industry and, well, that would be a rather silly post that you made if that's the case. There's always the chance you know someone in the industry who told you the quoted nonsense, but considering it is nonsense, that doesn't count for much either. 

     

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    It looks like those who have an opinion favors "It's purely better gameplay being catered to" most.
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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    nvm - not worth the ban

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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829

    I voted better gameplay.

    Those who pay for their games generally have to deal with less restrictions, often get bonus xp and generally get more character slots (or the currency to buy them with it at least).

    Which is pretty much how it should. You get what you pay for after all, and if you're cheap there's no reason the devs shouldn't be too. (Within reason of course. No P2W crap.)

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  • SomeOldBlokeSomeOldBloke Member UncommonPosts: 2,167
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    No offense, but the poll is so poorly written that it's almost impossible to really understand the question... so I pass.

    Oh good. I thought it was just me that had no clue what he was asking.

    In F2P games I pay for convenience items, extra bag slots, longer crafting queues, etc. But if it came down to it I'd prefer just to pay a monthly sub and have everything I need.

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    nvm - not worth the ban
    Calm down Loktofeit, and carry on posting. :)
    What's with taking what I said as a quote? Ads do not break gameplay, but I can see some would have immersion problems with them. If popping up when you access an inventory or the like not an issue to me. But as I said we won't just get the ads instead of a cash shop, we will be stuck with both. I am all for looking at alternative revenue methods instead of a cash shop, but do any of us here believe it would not be cash shop + something new? Here is one for you, a never ending Kick Starter, no cash shop, development and wages are paid by donations. Huge risk I know, but we need something to pull MMOs away from Kerching! cash shops.
    I don't know what's up with the editor, boxtastic!

     

  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    No offense, but the poll is so poorly written that it's almost impossible to really understand the question... so I pass.

    I didn't understand the poll much....but as long as it had I don't play F2P games, I had my option to pick from....so Yes, I don't play F2P games :)

  • kenpokillerkenpokiller Member UncommonPosts: 321

    I played Runescape for 7 seven years F2P before I bought my first membership.

     

    Still enjoying firefall as of now, 2 years later, completely free :)

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  • kenpokillerkenpokiller Member UncommonPosts: 321
    Originally posted by Azaron_Nightblade

    I voted better gameplay.

    Those who pay for their games generally have to deal with less restrictions, often get bonus xp and generally get more character slots (or the currency to buy them with it at least).

    Which is pretty much how it should. You get what you pay for after all, and if you're cheap there's no reason the devs shouldn't be too. (Within reason of course. No P2W crap.)

     

    Eww I just puked a little.

     

    I'll gladly dish out money for extra content but bonus exp. Blegh. No P2W crap you say?

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  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    Originally posted by Azaron_Nightblade

    I voted better gameplay.

    Same. Even though I sub to the F2P games I play as I like to support them.

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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609

    Of the several games that could be classified as F2P, there's no particular pattern.  Mostly, there's no evidence of 'catering' to any crowd.  They may be quite a few items that are nice-to-have, even giving substantial advantage in the game (P2W items), there are really very few cash shop blocks where the player is asked to pay to progress.  You can always grind it out in the game to gain the same effective benefit.

    There's no consistency with companies trying to perfect game-play, either.  Some companies are diligent about correcting bugs, stopping harassment and providing quality content and others aren't.  So 'catering' to the game doesn't apply to all.

    Overall, this poll is pointless.  If it were limited to a specific game, it might have a bit more validity.  PWE is not Turbine is not Cryptic (even though they are now owned by PWE).  There is simply too much variation in games and game companies to try to lump all F2P games into the same hat.

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  • scorpex-xscorpex-x Member RarePosts: 1,030

    Here is how I see f2p.

     

    A free and totally unlimited free trial of the game.

     

    If I like a f2p game and I put time and effort into it I will spend money on it, I have never played a f2p game long-term and not spent money on it ever.  If they have optional subs I usually get those too.

     

    Benefits of f2p:

    I can log-on anytime I want for any small reason without being forced to get out my CC.

    Many things that would never see the light of day on a p2p title are possible in a f2p game, like fancy cosmetics etc.

    The game has far more players, it has as many players as it's possible for the game to have infact.

     

    Negatives of f2p:

    It's a huge temptation for the developers and publishers to annoy players with bad decisions made to make more profits.

     

    An example of a great f2p game that is on the road to ruin is warframe, they were bought by perfect world recently and are now changing the game to make as much money as possible. 

  • DamonDamon Member UncommonPosts: 170
    greenreen, I suggest creating a new post with revised polling questions. I am uncertain what you're asking with the current questions, so I did not participate.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    Originally posted by scorpex-x

     

    An example of a great f2p game that is on the road to ruin is warframe, they were bought by perfect world recently and are now changing the game to make as much money as possible. 

    Perfect World only purchased 3% of Digital Extremes. They have no power over DE's decisions. Also, care to explain how are they changing the game to make as much money as possible? Im not playing as much these days but besides all the great updates DE have been making to the game i havent seen any cash grab tactics (other than the terrible RNG that has been in place since the beginning, and in my experience its a bit better than before)

     

    EDIT: unfortunately, the majority of DE is now owned by a meat company that has probably has no clue about game development. I hope they dont interfere.

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-16-digital-extremes-sells-61-per-cent-of-shares-for-usd73-million





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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    What about I like F2P games and just want to see the results?

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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    No offense, but the poll is so poorly written that it's almost impossible to really understand the question... so I pass.

    Agreed I couldn't even cast a vote because of the narrow range.  The title says it's for F2P players but the questions are about who gets treated better or if you play F2P at all. The OP states twice he doesn't like F2P. 

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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by Azaron_Nightblade

    I voted better gameplay.

    Same. Even though I sub to the F2P games I play as I like to support them.

    That's what I do as well.

    Or if there's no sub option, I'll buy something cosmetic or more inventory space once I've found the game good enough to support.

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  • giftedHorngiftedHorn Member UncommonPosts: 106
    Originally posted by DMKano

    The poll makes no sense at all (and the results show it).

    F2P is a monetization model and the poll mixes it up with gameplay.

    Every developer aims for great gameplay, the monetization is a separate issue.

     

    F2P caters to all players including those that spend $0 and have a lot of time

    It also caters to those who have little time and a lot of disposable income 

    It caters to folks in between the above 2 extremes

     

    it caters to 99.999% of the playerbase

    Who it doesn't cater to is the .0001% - the p2p purists

    qft

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    No offense, but the poll is so poorly written that it's almost impossible to really understand the question... so I pass.

    I was concentrating so hard trying to understand it I started drooling on my t-shirt. I also passed.

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