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You simply cannot discuss deep old school mmorpg elements with newer mmo players.
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Camping for mobs...camping for loot drops...corpse runs...losing levels (exp) when you die.
Just a few of the things i could not stand then or now.
I did like the hunting up bones for my necro pet. And hunting the HUGE sand giants though...first time my little gnome killed one i was so tickled.
As i have said before... some people like the things i hated...but to (IMHO) MOST people those things are what made the "old school" games suck for them. They really were not very good for most people. We had a situation then of play what was available or play nothing. Why they had less and less people playing them with every game that was launched.
Lot of people were happy to move on to other games. Now we have the opposite, so many games out there that each game can have a small population of regular players and all the rest that move from game to game as they launch.
And yes i agree with the title of this post really...if you like the old style EQ mechanics..you are alien to most players...as they are to you for hating those things.
Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet. Really no common ground to be had there.
Well I would call it an achievement in persistence Nari! Essentially one mistake in a race or time trial and you were forced to restart. Each race had to be done perfectly.
Anyway it was a good feeling to get it, but would I do it again? Not likely, once was enough. Too much time, too much effort and too much frustration for what is supposed to be enjoyable.
Kind of like the old school MMO.
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A few ways games are gratifying (ie fun):
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
LOL aint that the truth
shit the group content is hard in WoW i bet most of the "elite old school EQ players" on this forum could bare do the group content on normal.
probably would have to get carried through in LFR.
Lol. That's almost sig worthy... wasting time playing a game... who knew?
You sure do go anywhere in pursuit of a counter-argument
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First of all dont assume im a liar because im not, second of all wildstar and eso and others dont have the same amount of depth to leveling like in swg, or anarchy online and others, archage is decent but its mostly just freedom to crossclass, even everquest you had many other non combat skills to level other then your normal stuff. Older mmorpgs usually had allot more to do then basic crafting, and lets not forget everquest 2 crafting which has far more depth then almost all of them, not to mention real animations of crafting and spells and crafting abilities as you level them unlike most of todays mmorpgs.
These games had many more choices and where harder to gain unlike those mmorpgs you listed today. And please dude ive played many single player rpgs and mmorpgs today compared to many rpgs still dont hold a candle leveling wise, your naming off mostly mainstream and jrpgs which doesnt even make sense. What about older bioware games like kotor, or badlurs gate? What about the older neverwinter nights? What about hack n slash games like titan quest? What about gothic, or the divinity series?
My points still stand rather you want to admit or not, maybe its you who is trying to lie here.
Right because so im responsible for others being mature about other peoples opinions got it!
i like how this post is titled "you simply cannot discuss deep old school elements with newer mmo players" however if you say anything besides "omg eq was the best MMO of all time!"
you are put down as not knowing what you are talking about or a "new MMO player" which is being used as an insult.
sounds like new MMO players aren't the only people you can't discuss MMO elements with.
Hey now I dont think it was the best mmo of all time did I have the best experiences there? Yes I did! But lets stop jumping to assumptions. And I never insulted anyone if I laid out facts that sounded like insults, i'm sorry if they sound offensive, but thats all those are. Objectively eq1 is certainly not the best mmorpg of all time.
Grouping should come natural in an MMO. When I started playing DAoC in 2002 I didn't bruteforce grouping. Sometimes you just go out into the world and when you meet someone you group up.
Modern MMOs have been streamlined to the point that grouping has no benefit anymore because once players see someone getting ahead by playing as a group they bitch and complain until the exp is adjusted. That is what happened with FFXIV fates (public quests) and will probably continue with any MMO going forward.
The title should be changed to you simply cannot discuss reality with old mmo players.
That's say you have a new mmorpg with forced grouping comes out starting from level 1. It will be fine for a few month, or years. But later the newbie zone will be more empty, or even the server.
That's reality the main reason why games are designed the way they are.
And this is why people should read beyond just the title which clearly explains there should be solo with more group content and a reason to group. And honestly sounds to me the younger players are getting overly offended and acting out all because of the title im sorry but this thread proves its true.
I have moved on but it doesnt mean i wont fight for a things we want or need in games, if people didnt then devs will release nothing but crap.
Except that your battleground of choice was an 4 year established MMORPG opposed to your views. What did you think would happen when you when walked into an English pub and yell "F--- Soccer?"
who is this we? and why can't you find those things in games out now? as i said before i have been able to group from 15-74(dinged today) in WoW.
whats stopping you from getting your group on? what just because its not those 12+ hours camp sessions at derv 1 you remember?
Dude I didnt play wow long and its been years and yes we because many gamers do fight for there games, I think you have issues your overly aggresive against someone for having a different opinion then you, you really need to get over that.
Yes its an mmorpg forum to discuss you know mmorpgs which is what im discussing your more then welcome to get out if you dont like the topic.
Almost every mmorpg I played I can level up through purely doing group content. Either repeatly doing dungeons or pvp. It's just not always the fastest way.
If you have a game which actually have a bunch of group content early on, and people can't find a group, what then, they won' t be happy. People are complaining about empty zones all the times in this new games. And merging servers or super or mega servers seems like the only solution.
Because old people equate grind with fun.
"Back in my day we had to kill 6,000 goblins to get 1% xp. You new gamers want everything handed to you!!!"
This is an MMO, a game, not a second job. I dont want to feel like I'm doing chores, I want to enjoy myself.
This is the problem with grouping:
Scenario one.
Person one: hey wanna group up?
Person two: na man. I'm logging soon. Cya
Scenario two:
Person one: Hey wanna group?
Person two: No. Go bother someone else... Nooooooooob
Scenario three:
Person one: Hey wanna group?
Person two: No. Doing some solo dungeons.
Scenario four:
Person one: Hey lets do a dungeon together.
Person two: Sure! What class are you?
Person one: ima tank!
Person two: So am I... maybe we can do something later.
tldr grouping is a pain and should only be done within a guild.
Spot on. Despite most conversations on the topic being "Back in my day..." followed by "OMG, that sounds absolutely terrible," they'll still contend the issue isn't that a lot of old 'gameplay' sucked ass, but that the new generation of gamers are lesser beings for one reason or another.
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