You are right....it does has crappy items...and a dye...and a mount...and whatever...but it is not selling you for 10.00 usd a full armor, imba, amazing only for glamorous purposes.
for 1 dollar they are giving you a pair of earrings...who you brely can see on someone...come on...thats not cosmetic
It's funny how FF14 fans feel like it's okay to give their cash shop a pass while taking pot shots at other games that have cash shops (which is almost every game now).
Why would the FF14 cash shop have crappy items? Wouldn't a quality game have quality items to sell their players or are they scamming the players with crap for a cash grab?
And this is where a majority of players fail. You want a quality cash shop? That leads to p2w/easier time playing. When you pay 15 bucks a month for something the worst mistake they could make is having the kind of cash shop you talk about. FF14 cash shop consists of mostly past event items that can no longer be obtained. With some mounts/dyes/and race change. I can't say the same for 90% of the cash shops out there in other games. Yeah.....Let's give ff14 quality cash shop items. Exp scrolls, enhancement scrolls, hell let's add in some gamble boxes to so people can't even get what they want. Heck you can't even access the cash shop from inside the game.(which is a major plus)
Originally posted by Nyghthowler Have they stated whether or not you have to be able to participate in the new expansion to play the new class or is it available up front?
You'll need the expansion from what I understand. You'll need to do quests in the new zone to unlock them.
It's funny how FF14 fans feel like it's okay to give their cash shop a pass while taking pot shots at other games that have cash shops (which is almost every game now).
Why would the FF14 cash shop have crappy items? Wouldn't a quality game have quality items to sell their players or are they scamming the players with crap for a cash grab?
Not sure of the purpose of this post. What is "crap" and what isn't is subjective. Something that can be better described is if it is minor or not. If the price point is right -- and if someone wants something enough to acquire it. How it is presented, and if it is located in the game, rather than just a website. Also what they say they will do with profits. If having the option of buying items that were one-time things for a simple $1-3$ is a cash grab, then that's up to the individual to decide. In a world when you have skins that cost $20 or level 90 characters for $60, it at least shows a knowledge of what micro-transactions are. Micro. Not charging exorbitant amounts of money just because you can. But let's not let a little thing like facts or context or differences ruin a good story. Let's forget any promises that that money made in the cash shop goes back into making the game better -- as per the director's words.
Then again, I'm a consumerist at heart. I understand the concept of making money while also treating people fairly; to build good will as a whole as opposed to bending someone over tenfold. It is my belief that I understand the intricacies of many systems these games offer. That I realize there are people who only see in black and white or who are purists, plain and simple. Though when people stop differentiating between domesticated dogs and wild wolves, we start to see problems. In addition, being a consumerist, one must always realize the right of the consumer to purchase if they want it.
I used to fully support WoW's cash shop because it was not aggressive, it was not "in your face"; they have since changed that, by making a mandatory cash shop button on your UI and going to great lengths to make sure other addons can't block it. The buying of max level characters back in MoP. The... you know, there are other people who explain this much better than I.
When a cash shop is the only one getting something unique and games are reskinning mounts EIGHT to TWELVE times in the SAME expansion, we are starting to see a problem. Especially when there is so little content available in said game. In addition to them saying they are planning on releasing new mounts on a bi-monthly basis from now on in the shop. Some may buy, good for them, but this as a whole is starting to get ridiculous.
But I digress... we always get people who have weak assertions and assumptions both, focusing on one thing rather than the topic at hand or even giving an effort to continue discussion on it. Irregardless, my personal stance is as it always has been. If it is not in game (the cash shop), then essentially, I'm okay with it. It is not predatory, but rather truly optional. This is further compounded by the actual content and how much it costs. With the thought that people have a right to do what they want with their money.
Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing). German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century. Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now). I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things). In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while. If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.
Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this. If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own. Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis. Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
You can trust Yoshi! He is building World of Warcraft with an FF skin for FF fans.
I would suggest actually playing the game before spouting off this WoW-clone nonsense. They look, feel, and play nothing alike, aside from having quests and dungeon queues.
Yoshida: "We based this game on WoW"
Feedback: "I don't want to play a reskinned WoW"
Fanboy: "This game is nothing like WoW!1"
I don't even. XIV is actually a cool game but do you people even think before white knighting it? You're basically saying Yoshida failed at his job lol.
Originally posted by Yaevindusk
Originally posted by Torval
It's funny how FF14 fans feel like it's okay to give their cash shop a pass while taking pot shots at other games that have cash shops (which is almost every game now).
Why would the FF14 cash shop have crappy items? Wouldn't a quality game have quality items to sell their players or are they scamming the players with crap for a cash grab?
When a cash shop is the only one getting something unique and games are reskinning mounts EIGHT to TWELVE times in the SAME expansion, we are starting to see a problem. Especially when there is so little content available in said game. In addition to them saying they are planning on releasing new mounts on a bi-monthly basis from now on in the shop. Some may buy, good for them, but this as a whole is starting to get ridiculous.
Didn't XIV reskinned a whole rainbow of unicorns, then released the Sleipnir mount on the cash shop?
Actually, is there ANY unique mount on the game? From what I remember they're all regular monsters made rideable by players.
You can trust Yoshi! He is building World of Warcraft with an FF skin for FF fans.
I would suggest actually playing the game before spouting off this WoW-clone nonsense. They look, feel, and play nothing alike, aside from having quests and dungeon queues.
Yoshida: "We based this game on WoW"
Feedback: "I don't want to play a reskinned WoW"
Fanboy: "This game is nothing like WoW!1"
I don't even. XIV is actually a cool game but do you people even think before white knighting it? You're basically saying Yoshida failed at his job lol.
Originally posted by Yaevindusk
Originally posted by Torval
It's funny how FF14 fans feel like it's okay to give their cash shop a pass while taking pot shots at other games that have cash shops (which is almost every game now).
Why would the FF14 cash shop have crappy items? Wouldn't a quality game have quality items to sell their players or are they scamming the players with crap for a cash grab?
When a cash shop is the only one getting something unique and games are reskinning mounts EIGHT to TWELVE times in the SAME expansion, we are starting to see a problem. Especially when there is so little content available in said game. In addition to them saying they are planning on releasing new mounts on a bi-monthly basis from now on in the shop. Some may buy, good for them, but this as a whole is starting to get ridiculous.
Didn't XIV reskinned a whole rainbow of unicorns, then released the Sleipnir mount on the cash shop?
Actually, is there ANY unique mount on the game? From what I remember they're all regular monsters made rideable by players.
Basing a game off of a general philosophy does not make it a clone. White knighting or not, the game feels NOTHING like WoW, plays quite differently from WoW, has features WoW does not, yada yada. They used aspects of WoW that works, but they made it their own and have grown quite differently from WoW overall.
if you can't see that, you're no less ignorant than those you are calling so.
It's funny how FF14 fans feel like it's okay to give their cash shop a pass while taking pot shots at other games that have cash shops (which is almost every game now).
Why would the FF14 cash shop have crappy items? Wouldn't a quality game have quality items to sell their players or are they scamming the players with crap for a cash grab?
And this is where a majority of players fail. You want a quality cash shop? That leads to p2w/easier time playing. When you pay 15 bucks a month for something the worst mistake they could make is having the kind of cash shop you talk about. FF14 cash shop consists of mostly past event items that can no longer be obtained. With some mounts/dyes/and race change. I can't say the same for 90% of the cash shops out there in other games. Yeah.....Let's give ff14 quality cash shop items. Exp scrolls, enhancement scrolls, hell let's add in some gamble boxes to so people can't even get what they want. Heck you can't even access the cash shop from inside the game.(which is a major plus)
You don't have to go from 1 extreme to the next, having quality items doesnt automatically mean exp pots, cash boxes etc....
You could have Premium armor skins (Cosmetic Transmog Items)
Premium Mounts etc... there is many things you can put into a cash shop that don't include the things you started saying
Originally posted by Hefaistos
You are right....it does has crappy items...and a dye...and a mount...and whatever...but it is not selling you for 10.00 usd a full armor, imba, amazing only for glamorous purposes.
for 1 dollar they are giving you a pair of earrings...who you brely can see on someone...come on...thats not cosmetic
Now you're clutching at straws, you can't have it both ways... saying cash shops are evil but ffxiv has a cash shop and it's ok...
There is a point that can be crossed where it's not ok, but you show me one MMORPG where you can buy a full set of end game gear for $10 and i'm actually waiting for an example, i know plenty of games where you can buy items (cosmetic), rift you can buy previous tier raid gear for like $480 a set (but no current end game gear) etc... but i know of none that sell a full set of end game gear for $10
At the end of the day, it has a cash shop regardless of how you want to advertise it (non agressive, not intrusive, full cosmetic) it still has a cash shop.
Edit - i would also like to add, i have nothing against cash shops.. i'm actually a cash shop frequenter in many games... pretty much every MMO that has come out over the last 15 years i've purchasd and played and all of the ones that have gone free to play / buy to play / hybrid - When i do play them from time to time as i rotate through them when i feel like playing something i quite often make several purchases of cash shops...
i've spent hundreds of dollars in rift on mounts and costume items
hundreds of dollars in swtor on costume items and cash boxes
TERA the same on lockbox keys and mounts
WoW pretty sure i own all the cash shop pets / mounts
and the list goes on and on... so i'm not against cash shops and i enjoy buying pretty things, i'm just saying... let's call and apple and apple... the game has a cash shop regardless of how you want to paint the picture.
It is not a game i want to play and i tried it for a few months and left and will likely never play it again.I have loved Square Enix for years even still i don't like all their games.They seem to switch back n forth between ideas but in case of FFXIV,it was a core design that was rushed.Now because of that rushed design it will always take a back seat to FFXI and even worse is Square has lost my faith because they even added the exact same ideas in FFXI ruining that game as well.
Yes if you do like what they are doing,they will do more of it and add lots of content ideas,so for those people they should be happy for years to come.Personally they have ONLY gone in one direction,constant gear grinding,to me a very shallow design for a game.Their best content idea ever was FFXI "Besieged" and they have not added anything like it for FFXIV,so no i am sorry YOSHI was not there for the heyday of FFXI and does not GET IT.Instead i see him as a WOW type designer,a copy cat designer or at least encourages those ideals and they are not for me.
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So much nitpicking of words in this thread. Ffxiv has some cash shop with useless vanity items. But you know what, I have never ever seen the cash shop in game. Never. To be honest I wouldn't even know it existed if I didn't read about it somewhere,
whereas I am sure all those butthurt posters who keep on posting the same thing of how there are several items which are useless are playing some proper p2w cash shop garbage. Even b2p games like gw2 have those rofl gamble boxes.
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You can trust Yoshi! He is building World of Warcraft with an FF skin for FF fans.
I would suggest actually playing the game before spouting off this WoW-clone nonsense. They look, feel, and play nothing alike, aside from having quests and dungeon queues.
Originally posted by Big.Daddy.Samedi Wait no cosmetic items from the store? No Cash Shop? I would like to step in and remind you there FFXIV does very much have a cash shop.
yeah is the OP crazy... there is heaps of items in the cash shop
Jesus!!! its a crappy cash shop not with P2Win Items in it!!!! How do you win the game with a black mount or a onion helmet?
I do not disagree with you, the cash shop is very tame. I actually do play FFXIV and I really enjoy the game. However your original post clearly stated cash shop for cosmetics as well. Hence the reason I posted in regards to this. I just don't want people to think that it does not exist. It is also possible that you may not have been aware of it as it is not an in game cash shop... nor is it referenced much. It is nicely hidden away. This could potentially change though.
Originally posted by Big.Daddy.Samedi Wait no cosmetic items from the store? No Cash Shop? I would like to step in and remind you there FFXIV does very much have a cash shop.
yeah is the OP crazy... there is heaps of items in the cash shop
Jesus!!! its a crappy cash shop not with P2Win Items in it!!!! How do you win the game with a black mount or a onion helmet?
You make a valid point. Though one has to be 100% correct rather than 99% for people not to make a big deal out of something. The cash shop is no where near being aggressive or "in your face" as other games. There are small things like $1 earrings, dye and a mount. The first only being there as a way to get old holiday items that no longer exist in game as those quests were only for that year. Not to mention that purchases made in there were pledged to make the game better rather than go into profits.
But one cannot argue with technicalities. A simple alteration of "aggressive cosmetic shop" or something similar would rectify it -- which is silly on the whole for anyone to make a big deal out of it, as it completely misses the point. When that thing can be edited with a single word, you know something is a bit laughable to make a big deal of.
That said, the original person that mentioned such was just making a note, rather than actually remarking on your points or disagreeing with what you were writing. This is what I didn't recognize in my haste to write to multiple people.
You are quite correct. I believe that FFXIV is a great game, I've even bought a second collectors edition when ARR released. I simply wanted to ensure that the correct information was given out. I fully support the idea that people need to try this game, however some people do not like the idea of "double dipping" like myself. A Sub game should not have a cash shop. This is the one and only decision in regards to FFXIV tat I loath from SE. I personally do not care WHAT is in the cash shop, it is still a form of double dipping, and for some people the idea of not being able to attain a specific mount in game is bothersome.
For the record, in its current state I have very little issue with WHAT is in the cash shop, only that the cash shop exists in a P2P game. And no I don't care that WoW does it, I am even more critical of them in regards to it.
Anyware, this is all my personal opinion.... except of course that the cash shop exists, that is a fact.... maybe... maybe I am hallucinating.
Originally posted by Colt47 The only issue with the expansion is the requirement to do the 2.5.5 content before being able to experience Heavensward. It makes the game hard to get back into if someone has been a away for a while, and no one is going to want to run old dungeons and trials without incentives that are at least on par with whatever is coming with the new content.
While I understand what you are saying, for those who are thinking this way I played FFXIV ARR (also 1.0) and left ARR about a year ago. I resubbed two weeks ago and picked up the main quest line right after Lahabrea (sp?). I am already done the main quest lines and have geared up to i110, got my crafting in master. While I am not near accomplished as much as those who have been playing the last year, I am more than caught up and ready for HW.
And yes I have a job (50+ hrs/wk) am married, 4 kids with whom i ski, hike, camp and play sports with. I only say that to make the point that it is more than doable for those who really want to play FFXIV. Please do not let the issue of having to "catch up" deter you, it is not that bad.
Remember when games didn't have a cash shop of any kind? I'm shocked that someone can condemn a cash shop for being very light on the game. If at all possible I'd like to play games where the cash shop isn't held over my head openly or secretly.(get to endgame to realize pvp is cash shop oriented) As for ff14 being a wow clone maybe it is? Maybe it isn't? Are you angry that the game is successful and your wow clone wasn't? Everything mimics something in this world. Yet, things keep turning strangely enough.
You can trust Yoshi! He is building World of Warcraft with an FF skin for FF fans.
I would suggest actually playing the game before spouting off this WoW-clone nonsense. They look, feel, and play nothing alike, aside from having quests and dungeon queues.
I would argue that they are exactly alike more or less, and I played XIV 2.0 for nearly 6000 hrs. If you ignore the Game world and Mob/NPC design and look at the core concepts.
Solo Quest driven leveling Model (WoW created this) = Check
Themepark Model = Check (WoW created this mmo model)
Tiered Content (WoW's endgame design) = Check
Duty Finder / Item Levels = Check
Heavily Instance Focused = Check
Battle system = Check (It is all about dps rotations on every class except healer... strait from WoW there)
Removal of Supporting roles outside healers = Check (DPS, Healer, or Tank only)
Hell SMN is a subpar copy paste of Warlock. Dot based class with a supporting pet.
Prior Content Negated Every Patch/Expansion = Check
Heavily simplified game mechanics for ease of understanding and use = check
Yea there are concepts that are unique and minor things that are different, but he core game is modeled off of World of Warcraft. The developers even said they based the core game off WoW which is a direct admisison to it being a copy cat game.
Is it well made, yea it is very well made. But it is a mmo designed in the WoW style. Thus a WoW clone.
If you were to replace all the Final Fantasy Elements with War Craft Elements it would be very very simliar to WoW in almost everyway.
Although I agree that xiv is not really p2w, neither is almost every other mmo.
Unless you want to start nick picking about what p2w actually is, and then xiv becomes p2w too.
Ffxiv is the same as every other mmo out now, a niche title.
Oh and Yoshi has never been making an mmo for FF fans, he has always been trying to build a pretty ff based mmo for wow players, nothing more than that. This was evident form the start when he took over and it's evident with pretty much everything he does.
You can trust Yoshi! He is building World of Warcraft with an FF skin for FF fans.
I would suggest actually playing the game before spouting off this WoW-clone nonsense. They look, feel, and play nothing alike, aside from having quests and dungeon queues.
I would argue that they are exactly alike more or less, and I played XIV 2.0 for nearly 6000 hrs. If you ignore the Game world and Mob/NPC design and look at the core concepts.
Solo Quest driven leveling Model (WoW created this) = Check
Themepark Model = Check (WoW created this mmo model)
Tiered Content (WoW's endgame design) = Check
Duty Finder / Item Levels = Check
Heavily Instance Focused = Check
Battle system = Check (It is all about dps rotations on every class except healer... strait from WoW there)
Removal of Supporting roles outside healers = Check (DPS, Healer, or Tank only)
Hell SMN is a subpar copy paste of Warlock. Dot based class with a supporting pet.
Prior Content Negated Every Patch/Expansion = Check
Heavily simplified game mechanics for ease of understanding and use = check
Yea there are concepts that are unique and minor things that are different, but he core game is modeled off of World of Warcraft. The developers even said they based the core game off WoW which is a direct admisison to it being a copy cat game.
Is it well made, yea it is very well made. But it is a mmo designed in the WoW style. Thus a WoW clone.
If you were to replace all the Final Fantasy Elements with War Craft Elements it would be very very simliar to WoW in almost everyway.
Well I read through and honestly don't got much to nitpick on the OP. I think the biggest thing to point out is, despite having many FF elements, the game is more so I feel being made not for fans as much as it is as a passion project from Yoshi. You can tell Wow Vs This game that FF14 is being made with a lot more love over being pretty much tossed together for the end profit margin. Its being made to make its players happy, delivering an artistic vision with corporate string not directing its every move.
Honestly the game does have things that annoy me.
I'm not fond of the cash shop, even for cosmetics goods, granted they do actually put good stuff in game too, its not like wow where all effort is in cash shop mounts and they just toss crap together for actual player mounts making the rewards pitiful. I also dislike the services they provide costing money, I hate when games charge so much to change name or character options or servers, that stuff should be provided free (perhaps with ingame currency cost) if you pay monthly or at the very least at a low rate like $5.
There are some parts of grind that can be tedious in the game that could use some work. Relic weapons do take work and feel good earning, but some parts become just frusterating to do and involve luck or doing tasks in a way that feels like a huge chore and not in a great way. It can drag on quests making a lot of running around at times which can be annoying. If your ignoring story (Which, even though I recomend it due to it being decent and end (2.55) being completely worth) your forced through it anyways which I feel there should be bypasses for those getting in the expansion and perhaps trimming of the more tedius and less noteworthy parts of the story.
There are many nit picky things such as latency (Which can be adjusted to, primarily the issue is just how net code is handled it can easily be adjusted and you won't have any issues), slower gameplay (which again is adjustable and feels good as you get use to it or play faster classes like monk, lack of addons (which can be mediated by a very customizable UI), issues with accessing elements in dungeons (such as guild info/online status and such), and other small annoying bits.
Big list a I know... but every bit of that just doesn't matter with how fun the game is and how much soul it feels the game has in putting in great detail and care into it, with each patch having worth wild content. It caters to both casual and hardcore in just the right way, and doesn't resort to rehashing the same raid multiple times for every audience and then some (LFR equivilant in FF14 being a new seprerate raid from the main raid). Lots of dungeons with more added through the updates, and Hardmodes actually not just being 'same thing, just fixed numbers, but actually different experiences, even with an altered map taking you to new places in the same place. They put just so much into it over just reusing everything they can and it just makes the game feel like its being given so much more attention.
Its just an MMO I bought into at first since I was figuring I could get a little fun out of it and quit content spending $20 that I ended up loving and just enjoying how it was done. Yoshi really shows a passion to creating a great MMO that stands on its own two feat, with little bits of love for Final Fantasy sprinkled in. I know so many people who play that don't even stand as fans of Final Fantasy who enjoy the game.
It's a terrible game. There are many more which don't require you to zone through so many obstacles or pay monthly which is completely and totally unjustifiable for his grindfest. Player models and enemies are good but the textures are hit and miss and the voice acting and art design are not for masculine gamers to enjoy. They're effeminate to the extreme. Movements feel like you're gliding across a plate of glass instead of planting your feet on solid ground. This is a lazy programming issue. A glaring one. Missions are repetitive and monotonous. These are just the tip of the iceberg of what's wrong with this cashgrab.
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You are right....it does has crappy items...and a dye...and a mount...and whatever...but it is not selling you for 10.00 usd a full armor, imba, amazing only for glamorous purposes.
for 1 dollar they are giving you a pair of earrings...who you brely can see on someone...come on...thats not cosmetic
And this is where a majority of players fail. You want a quality cash shop? That leads to p2w/easier time playing. When you pay 15 bucks a month for something the worst mistake they could make is having the kind of cash shop you talk about. FF14 cash shop consists of mostly past event items that can no longer be obtained. With some mounts/dyes/and race change. I can't say the same for 90% of the cash shops out there in other games. Yeah.....Let's give ff14 quality cash shop items. Exp scrolls, enhancement scrolls, hell let's add in some gamble boxes to so people can't even get what they want. Heck you can't even access the cash shop from inside the game.(which is a major plus)
You'll need the expansion from what I understand. You'll need to do quests in the new zone to unlock them.
Not sure of the purpose of this post. What is "crap" and what isn't is subjective. Something that can be better described is if it is minor or not. If the price point is right -- and if someone wants something enough to acquire it. How it is presented, and if it is located in the game, rather than just a website. Also what they say they will do with profits. If having the option of buying items that were one-time things for a simple $1-3$ is a cash grab, then that's up to the individual to decide. In a world when you have skins that cost $20 or level 90 characters for $60, it at least shows a knowledge of what micro-transactions are. Micro. Not charging exorbitant amounts of money just because you can. But let's not let a little thing like facts or context or differences ruin a good story. Let's forget any promises that that money made in the cash shop goes back into making the game better -- as per the director's words.
Then again, I'm a consumerist at heart. I understand the concept of making money while also treating people fairly; to build good will as a whole as opposed to bending someone over tenfold. It is my belief that I understand the intricacies of many systems these games offer. That I realize there are people who only see in black and white or who are purists, plain and simple. Though when people stop differentiating between domesticated dogs and wild wolves, we start to see problems. In addition, being a consumerist, one must always realize the right of the consumer to purchase if they want it.
I used to fully support WoW's cash shop because it was not aggressive, it was not "in your face"; they have since changed that, by making a mandatory cash shop button on your UI and going to great lengths to make sure other addons can't block it. The buying of max level characters back in MoP. The... you know, there are other people who explain this much better than I.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CsFLCGf_gU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4hgUUq8rNY
When a cash shop is the only one getting something unique and games are reskinning mounts EIGHT to TWELVE times in the SAME expansion, we are starting to see a problem. Especially when there is so little content available in said game. In addition to them saying they are planning on releasing new mounts on a bi-monthly basis from now on in the shop. Some may buy, good for them, but this as a whole is starting to get ridiculous.
But I digress... we always get people who have weak assertions and assumptions both, focusing on one thing rather than the topic at hand or even giving an effort to continue discussion on it. Irregardless, my personal stance is as it always has been. If it is not in game (the cash shop), then essentially, I'm okay with it. It is not predatory, but rather truly optional. This is further compounded by the actual content and how much it costs. With the thought that people have a right to do what they want with their money.
Yoshida: "We based this game on WoW"
Feedback: "I don't want to play a reskinned WoW"
Fanboy: "This game is nothing like WoW!1"
I don't even. XIV is actually a cool game but do you people even think before white knighting it? You're basically saying Yoshida failed at his job lol.
Didn't XIV reskinned a whole rainbow of unicorns, then released the Sleipnir mount
on the cash shop?
Actually, is there ANY unique mount on the game? From what I remember they're all regular monsters made rideable by players.
Basing a game off of a general philosophy does not make it a clone. White knighting or not, the game feels NOTHING like WoW, plays quite differently from WoW, has features WoW does not, yada yada. They used aspects of WoW that works, but they made it their own and have grown quite differently from WoW overall.
if you can't see that, you're no less ignorant than those you are calling so.
You don't have to go from 1 extreme to the next, having quality items doesnt automatically mean exp pots, cash boxes etc....
You could have Premium armor skins (Cosmetic Transmog Items)
Premium Mounts etc... there is many things you can put into a cash shop that don't include the things you started saying
Now you're clutching at straws, you can't have it both ways... saying cash shops are evil but ffxiv has a cash shop and it's ok...
There is a point that can be crossed where it's not ok, but you show me one MMORPG where you can buy a full set of end game gear for $10 and i'm actually waiting for an example, i know plenty of games where you can buy items (cosmetic), rift you can buy previous tier raid gear for like $480 a set (but no current end game gear) etc... but i know of none that sell a full set of end game gear for $10
At the end of the day, it has a cash shop regardless of how you want to advertise it (non agressive, not intrusive, full cosmetic) it still has a cash shop.
Edit - i would also like to add, i have nothing against cash shops.. i'm actually a cash shop frequenter in many games... pretty much every MMO that has come out over the last 15 years i've purchasd and played and all of the ones that have gone free to play / buy to play / hybrid - When i do play them from time to time as i rotate through them when i feel like playing something i quite often make several purchases of cash shops...
i've spent hundreds of dollars in rift on mounts and costume items
hundreds of dollars in swtor on costume items and cash boxes
TERA the same on lockbox keys and mounts
WoW pretty sure i own all the cash shop pets / mounts
and the list goes on and on... so i'm not against cash shops and i enjoy buying pretty things, i'm just saying... let's call and apple and apple... the game has a cash shop regardless of how you want to paint the picture.
It is not a game i want to play and i tried it for a few months and left and will likely never play it again.I have loved Square Enix for years even still i don't like all their games.They seem to switch back n forth between ideas but in case of FFXIV,it was a core design that was rushed.Now because of that rushed design it will always take a back seat to FFXI and even worse is Square has lost my faith because they even added the exact same ideas in FFXI ruining that game as well.
Yes if you do like what they are doing,they will do more of it and add lots of content ideas,so for those people they should be happy for years to come.Personally they have ONLY gone in one direction,constant gear grinding,to me a very shallow design for a game.Their best content idea ever was FFXI "Besieged" and they have not added anything like it for FFXIV,so no i am sorry YOSHI was not there for the heyday of FFXI and does not GET IT.Instead i see him as a WOW type designer,a copy cat designer or at least encourages those ideals and they are not for me.
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So much nitpicking of words in this thread. Ffxiv has some cash shop with useless vanity items. But you know what, I have never ever seen the cash shop in game. Never. To be honest I wouldn't even know it existed if I didn't read about it somewhere,
whereas I am sure all those butthurt posters who keep on posting the same thing of how there are several items which are useless are playing some proper p2w cash shop garbage. Even b2p games like gw2 have those rofl gamble boxes.
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False.
I do not disagree with you, the cash shop is very tame. I actually do play FFXIV and I really enjoy the game. However your original post clearly stated cash shop for cosmetics as well. Hence the reason I posted in regards to this. I just don't want people to think that it does not exist. It is also possible that you may not have been aware of it as it is not an in game cash shop... nor is it referenced much. It is nicely hidden away. This could potentially change though.
You are quite correct. I believe that FFXIV is a great game, I've even bought a second collectors edition when ARR released. I simply wanted to ensure that the correct information was given out. I fully support the idea that people need to try this game, however some people do not like the idea of "double dipping" like myself. A Sub game should not have a cash shop. This is the one and only decision in regards to FFXIV tat I loath from SE. I personally do not care WHAT is in the cash shop, it is still a form of double dipping, and for some people the idea of not being able to attain a specific mount in game is bothersome.
For the record, in its current state I have very little issue with WHAT is in the cash shop, only that the cash shop exists in a P2P game. And no I don't care that WoW does it, I am even more critical of them in regards to it.
Anyware, this is all my personal opinion.... except of course that the cash shop exists, that is a fact.... maybe... maybe I am hallucinating.
While I understand what you are saying, for those who are thinking this way I played FFXIV ARR (also 1.0) and left ARR about a year ago. I resubbed two weeks ago and picked up the main quest line right after Lahabrea (sp?). I am already done the main quest lines and have geared up to i110, got my crafting in master. While I am not near accomplished as much as those who have been playing the last year, I am more than caught up and ready for HW.
And yes I have a job (50+ hrs/wk) am married, 4 kids with whom i ski, hike, camp and play sports with. I only say that to make the point that it is more than doable for those who really want to play FFXIV. Please do not let the issue of having to "catch up" deter you, it is not that bad.
Same old tired MMOrpg.com circle jerk right here.
All this time complaining while I quite literally don't have the time to play everything I want.
Is it really because there's not a single game that's catering to your fragile snowflake egos?
Signs point to yes.
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I would argue that they are exactly alike more or less, and I played XIV 2.0 for nearly 6000 hrs. If you ignore the Game world and Mob/NPC design and look at the core concepts.
Solo Quest driven leveling Model (WoW created this) = Check
Themepark Model = Check (WoW created this mmo model)
Tiered Content (WoW's endgame design) = Check
Duty Finder / Item Levels = Check
Heavily Instance Focused = Check
Battle system = Check (It is all about dps rotations on every class except healer... strait from WoW there)
Removal of Supporting roles outside healers = Check (DPS, Healer, or Tank only)
Hell SMN is a subpar copy paste of Warlock. Dot based class with a supporting pet.
Prior Content Negated Every Patch/Expansion = Check
Heavily simplified game mechanics for ease of understanding and use = check
Yea there are concepts that are unique and minor things that are different, but he core game is modeled off of World of Warcraft. The developers even said they based the core game off WoW which is a direct admisison to it being a copy cat game.
Is it well made, yea it is very well made. But it is a mmo designed in the WoW style. Thus a WoW clone.
If you were to replace all the Final Fantasy Elements with War Craft Elements it would be very very simliar to WoW in almost everyway.
Although I agree that xiv is not really p2w, neither is almost every other mmo.
Unless you want to start nick picking about what p2w actually is, and then xiv becomes p2w too.
Ffxiv is the same as every other mmo out now, a niche title.
Oh and Yoshi has never been making an mmo for FF fans, he has always been trying to build a pretty ff based mmo for wow players, nothing more than that. This was evident form the start when he took over and it's evident with pretty much everything he does.
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Well I read through and honestly don't got much to nitpick on the OP. I think the biggest thing to point out is, despite having many FF elements, the game is more so I feel being made not for fans as much as it is as a passion project from Yoshi. You can tell Wow Vs This game that FF14 is being made with a lot more love over being pretty much tossed together for the end profit margin. Its being made to make its players happy, delivering an artistic vision with corporate string not directing its every move.
Honestly the game does have things that annoy me.
I'm not fond of the cash shop, even for cosmetics goods, granted they do actually put good stuff in game too, its not like wow where all effort is in cash shop mounts and they just toss crap together for actual player mounts making the rewards pitiful. I also dislike the services they provide costing money, I hate when games charge so much to change name or character options or servers, that stuff should be provided free (perhaps with ingame currency cost) if you pay monthly or at the very least at a low rate like $5.
There are some parts of grind that can be tedious in the game that could use some work. Relic weapons do take work and feel good earning, but some parts become just frusterating to do and involve luck or doing tasks in a way that feels like a huge chore and not in a great way. It can drag on quests making a lot of running around at times which can be annoying. If your ignoring story (Which, even though I recomend it due to it being decent and end (2.55) being completely worth) your forced through it anyways which I feel there should be bypasses for those getting in the expansion and perhaps trimming of the more tedius and less noteworthy parts of the story.
There are many nit picky things such as latency (Which can be adjusted to, primarily the issue is just how net code is handled it can easily be adjusted and you won't have any issues), slower gameplay (which again is adjustable and feels good as you get use to it or play faster classes like monk, lack of addons (which can be mediated by a very customizable UI), issues with accessing elements in dungeons (such as guild info/online status and such), and other small annoying bits.
Big list a I know... but every bit of that just doesn't matter with how fun the game is and how much soul it feels the game has in putting in great detail and care into it, with each patch having worth wild content. It caters to both casual and hardcore in just the right way, and doesn't resort to rehashing the same raid multiple times for every audience and then some (LFR equivilant in FF14 being a new seprerate raid from the main raid). Lots of dungeons with more added through the updates, and Hardmodes actually not just being 'same thing, just fixed numbers, but actually different experiences, even with an altered map taking you to new places in the same place. They put just so much into it over just reusing everything they can and it just makes the game feel like its being given so much more attention.
Its just an MMO I bought into at first since I was figuring I could get a little fun out of it and quit content spending $20 that I ended up loving and just enjoying how it was done. Yoshi really shows a passion to creating a great MMO that stands on its own two feat, with little bits of love for Final Fantasy sprinkled in. I know so many people who play that don't even stand as fans of Final Fantasy who enjoy the game.
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I'm sorry if FF14 questioned your manhood?