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MMORPGs feels like politics today

ArskaaaArskaaa Member RarePosts: 1,265
in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
They promise a lot and and wont deliver.
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802

    A bit like mmorpg.com as well

    "The new forums are coming real soon"

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247

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  • Quazal.AQuazal.A Member UncommonPosts: 859

    love that pic where is it from?

     

    This post is all my opinion, but I welcome debate on anything i have put, however, personal slander / name calling belongs in game where of course you're welcome to call me names im often found lounging about in EvE online.
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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686

    Politics are unpredictable, as you never know what youre gonna get..

     

    MMOs are the opposite...

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    I thought you were going to say "in regard to forum discussion" :). As it can be just as volatile.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    Originally posted by Quazal.A

    love that pic where is it from?

     

    It looks like it's from "My neighbor Totoro".

     

    Though I'm not sure if this is original art from that work or a fan made bit.

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  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Quazal.A

    love that pic where is it from?

     

    It looks like it's from "My neighbor Totoro".

     

    Though I'm not sure if this is original art from that work or a fan made bit.

    Yeah great pic but I think yours is a fan made one which I actually like better then it's original haha:

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    On topic:

    Sorry OP I do not play promises but mainly play what is given. I've been playing games for such a long time that promises have become meaningless when it comes to games. Since purely playing what is given made my gaming allot more fun.

  • AxehiltAxehilt Member RarePosts: 10,504
    Originally posted by Dakeru

    A bit like mmorpg.com as well

    "The new forums are coming real soon"

    It's like they say: doing things is easy, but being a critic is very hard.

    ...no wait, I guess they say the exact opposite of that.

    "What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver

  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Arskaaa
    They promise a lot and and wont deliver.

    Sometimes you need to lower your standards so that your expectations meet reality.

     

    Quit crackin fuggin fortune cookies  on us.. ..

     

       maybe devs should raise there standards to deliver on the reality of the promises they make .. And possibly for once exceed expectations ...

     

     Novel idea huh

  • AxehiltAxehilt Member RarePosts: 10,504
    Originally posted by Scorchien

    Quit crackin fuggin fortune cookies  on us.. .. 

       maybe devs should raise there standards to deliver on the reality of the promises they make .. And possibly for once exceed expectations ... 

     Novel idea huh

    Here are some current marketing slogans.  You believe every single one of them:

    • Coca-Cola: open happiness
    • Chevrolet: An American Revolution
    • McDonalds: I'm lovin it
    Were you actually happier when you drank Coke?  Did Chevy actually create a revolution by releasing a new truck?  Did you actually end up loving that McDs food?  ...oh crap, all of these companies are failing to deliver on their promises!  Time to head to the respective forums for those three companies to voice your outrage!
     
     
    Or maybe we could all realize that marketing hype is just an ideal the company is shooting for and that it's a waste of effort to be outraged over things which aren't really promising concrete things.
     
    Basically this thread lacks any actual evidence of a company failing to live up to promises:
    • If you have an objectively quantifiable feature a dev promised and it's not in a game, then that's completely valid.  Post up your link to what was said, and if possible evidence that the promise was unfulfilled. 
    • But if it's subjective or vague like "meaningful world PVP" and you disagree, then that's not a company promising you something and failing to deliver, that's your subjective taste.
    Just because I dislike McDonald's food doesn't mean I'm going to claim "I'm lovin it" is false advertising, but that feels like what's happening in this thread -- a bunch of vague outrage with no objective basis.
     
    Just because I feel world PVP is completely meaningless and boring doesn't mean that I'm going around claiming devs lied to me about it.  (Though I will explain precisely why world PVP is bad.)

    "What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver

  • KinchyleKinchyle Member Posts: 309
    You people make it like politics. I just play games that are fun. Sometimes for a few months, sometimes for a year or so....that's all.
  • KinchyleKinchyle Member Posts: 309
    Originally posted by Axehilt
    Originally posted by Scorchien

    Quit crackin fuggin fortune cookies  on us.. .. 

       maybe devs should raise there standards to deliver on the reality of the promises they make .. And possibly for once exceed expectations ... 

     Novel idea huh

    Here are some current marketing slogans.  You believe every single one of them:

    • Coca-Cola: open happiness
    • Chevrolet: An American Revolution
    • McDonalds: I'm lovin it
    Were you actually happier when you drank Coke?  Did Chevy actually create a revolution by releasing a new truck?  Did you actually end up loving that McDs food?  ...oh crap, all of these companies are failing to deliver on their promises!  Time to head to the respective forums for those three companies to voice your outrage!
     
     
    Or maybe we could all realize that marketing hype is just an ideal the company is shooting for and that it's a waste of effort to be outraged over things which aren't really promising concrete things.
     
    Basically this thread lacks any actual evidence of a company failing to live up to promises:
    • If you have an objectively quantifiable feature a dev promised and it's not in a game, then that's completely valid.  Post up your link to what was said, and if possible evidence that the promise was unfulfilled. 
    • But if it's subjective or vague like "meaningful world PVP" and you disagree, then that's not a company promising you something and failing to deliver, that's your subjective taste.
    Just because I dislike McDonald's food doesn't mean I'm going to claim "I'm lovin it" is false advertising, but that feels like what's happening in this thread -- a bunch of vague outrage with no objective basis.
     
    Just because I feel world PVP is completely meaningless and boring doesn't mean that I'm going around claiming devs lied to me about it.  (Though I will explain precisely why world PVP is bad.)

    Not to pick on you :P

     

    But see? A politician at work!

     

    /me exits stage left

  • ArskaaaArskaaa Member RarePosts: 1,265

    Red bull gives you wings. :p

  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802
    Originally posted by Axehilt
    Originally posted by Dakeru

    A bit like mmorpg.com as well

    "The new forums are coming real soon"

    It's like they say: doing things is easy, but being a critic is very hard.

    ...no wait, I guess they say the exact opposite of that.

    Ah yeah..

    After more than 6 months of "It's coming real soon!" it's my fault for pointing out that the meaning of "soon" is being stretched here.

     

    Somehow whenever I see one of your posts it's about criticizing people for being critical.

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  • moonboundmoonbound Member UncommonPosts: 396
    Originally posted by Arskaaa
    They promise a lot and and wont deliver.

    Haha

  • moonboundmoonbound Member UncommonPosts: 396
    Originally posted by ikcin
    Originally posted by Axehilt
    Originally posted by Scorchien

    Quit crackin fuggin fortune cookies  on us.. .. 

       maybe devs should raise there standards to deliver on the reality of the promises they make .. And possibly for once exceed expectations ... 

     Novel idea huh

    Here are some current marketing slogans.  You believe every single one of them:

    • Coca-Cola: open happiness
    • Chevrolet: An American Revolution
    • McDonalds: I'm lovin it
    Were you actually happier when you drank Coke?  Did Chevy actually create a revolution by releasing a new truck?  Did you actually end up loving that McDs food?  ...oh crap, all of these companies are failing to deliver on their promises!  Time to head to the respective forums for those three companies to voice your outrage!
     
     
    Or maybe we could all realize that marketing hype is just an ideal the company is shooting for and that it's a waste of effort to be outraged over things which aren't really promising concrete things.
     
    Basically this thread lacks any actual evidence of a company failing to live up to promises:
    • If you have an objectively quantifiable feature a dev promised and it's not in a game, then that's completely valid.  Post up your link to what was said, and if possible evidence that the promise was unfulfilled. 
    • But if it's subjective or vague like "meaningful world PVP" and you disagree, then that's not a company promising you something and failing to deliver, that's your subjective taste.
    Just because I dislike McDonald's food doesn't mean I'm going to claim "I'm lovin it" is false advertising, but that feels like what's happening in this thread -- a bunch of vague outrage with no objective basis.
     
    Just because I feel world PVP is completely meaningless and boring doesn't mean that I'm going around claiming devs lied to me about it.  (Though I will explain precisely why world PVP is bad.)
    Ha, ha, you are amazing. You really think that advertising slogan is a promise for product quality. Dude, you shall go to some marketing school, really. Your logic is absurd, again. Noone here is talking about advertisement. If Samsung promised 3D curve smart TV and instead deliver 2D TV with poor UI, at your logic customers just have to lower their expectations and to buy?
     
    Because that is what happened with many Korean MMORPGs for example - ArcheAge, which became at the end a sandpark absurd.
     
    McDonald's, GM and Coca-Cola sell what they promised. They never promised German cars, Italian food and fresh juice. While gaming companies do that often.
     
    And to be honest usually developers do not lie. They create axactly the product they have promised. But then the publisher comes and starts changes that by its own marketing model - the know-how of the publisher - will rise the sales. The absurd of marketing models is that most of them are wrong copy-paste from successful games.
     
    For example naked girls and stupid costumes in Korean MMOs. They just copy Lineage 2, but this is not what made L2 so successful. Or WoW. You cannot copy-paste WoW marketing model, because before that you need also to copy the success of Warcraft 3, StarCraft and Diablo 2. In conclusion you can believe only of promised by big publishers who make their own games. That is why I do not trust to any independent developer, because the publisher can change everything in the game.

    Woa woa woa, devs lie all the time, now mmorpg devs are just smarter about it, you would not believe the amount of content and features get shown in tripple a gaming and never get released.

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860

    I don't put much faith in the political field or feel it should be part of an entirely different portion of my life like gaming. If you don't like the way games are being developed simply find a new hobby. /shrug

    Politics you can change with a vote, gaming you can change with your imagination. 

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,386
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Is that a parody of "my neighbour.."

     

    Oh btw the signature you have does it not miss an if it does not break gaming ethos. Seems odd the way it is written if the point was that but nvm just me I guess.

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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802
    Originally posted by Vardahoth
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    I don't put much faith in the political field or feel it should be part of an entirely different portion of my life like gaming. If you don't like the way games are being developed simply find a new hobby. /shrug

    Politics you can change with a vote, gaming you can change with your imagination. 

    This is one of the big reasons games have become as dull as they are today. "Instead of coming up with a solution, just quit."

    I'm not a fan of this idea either.

    I'm more the "vote with your wallet" kind of guy but it's hard to make votes like that nowadays when people seem so eager to toss their money at empty kickstarter promises which will never be fullfilled.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Dakeru
    Originally posted by Vardahoth
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    I don't put much faith in the political field or feel it should be part of an entirely different portion of my life like gaming. If you don't like the way games are being developed simply find a new hobby. /shrug

    Politics you can change with a vote, gaming you can change with your imagination. 

    This is one of the big reasons games have become as dull as they are today. "Instead of coming up with a solution, just quit."

    I'm not a fan of this idea either.

    I'm more the "vote with your wallet" kind of guy but it's hard to make votes like that nowadays when people seem so eager to toss their money at empty kickstarter promises which will never be fullfilled.

    It is essentially the same idea if there is nothing you like.

    Solution ... unless you are willing to invest millions to make games .. there is none. If your preference is not aligned with the market, there is little you can do. No one owes you a game you like.

    And why not just quit .. entertainment is abundant in today's world. If I don't play MMOs, i have dozens of other games to play, tv to watch, novels to read, and so on.

  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Dakeru
    Originally posted by Vardahoth
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    I don't put much faith in the political field or feel it should be part of an entirely different portion of my life like gaming. If you don't like the way games are being developed simply find a new hobby. /shrug

    Politics you can change with a vote, gaming you can change with your imagination. 

    This is one of the big reasons games have become as dull as they are today. "Instead of coming up with a solution, just quit."

    I'm not a fan of this idea either.

    I'm more the "vote with your wallet" kind of guy but it's hard to make votes like that nowadays when people seem so eager to toss their money at empty kickstarter promises which will never be fullfilled.

    It is essentially the same idea if there is nothing you like.

    Solution ... unless you are willing to invest millions to make games .. there is none. If your preference is not aligned with the market, there is little you can do. No one owes you a game you like.

    And why not just quit .. entertainment is abundant in today's world. If I don't play MMOs, i have dozens of other games to play, tv to watch, novels to read, and so on.

    That made no sense at all.

    There are plenty of games I like where I invested money.

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  • MrSnufflesMrSnuffles Member UncommonPosts: 1,117
    Originally posted by Axehilt
    Originally posted by Dakeru

    A bit like mmorpg.com as well

    "The new forums are coming real soon"

    It's like they say: doing things is easy, but being a critic is very hard.

    ...no wait, I guess they say the exact opposite of that.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Originally posted by Kinchyle
    Originally posted by Axehilt
    Originally posted by Scorchien

    Quit crackin fuggin fortune cookies  on us.. .. 

       maybe devs should raise there standards to deliver on the reality of the promises they make .. And possibly for once exceed expectations ... 

     Novel idea huh

    Here are some current marketing slogans.  You believe every single one of them:

    • Coca-Cola: open happiness
    • Chevrolet: An American Revolution
    • McDonalds: I'm lovin it
    Were you actually happier when you drank Coke?  Did Chevy actually create a revolution by releasing a new truck?  Did you actually end up loving that McDs food?  ...oh crap, all of these companies are failing to deliver on their promises!  Time to head to the respective forums for those three companies to voice your outrage!
     
     
    Or maybe we could all realize that marketing hype is just an ideal the company is shooting for and that it's a waste of effort to be outraged over things which aren't really promising concrete things.
     
    Basically this thread lacks any actual evidence of a company failing to live up to promises:
    • If you have an objectively quantifiable feature a dev promised and it's not in a game, then that's completely valid.  Post up your link to what was said, and if possible evidence that the promise was unfulfilled. 
    • But if it's subjective or vague like "meaningful world PVP" and you disagree, then that's not a company promising you something and failing to deliver, that's your subjective taste.
    Just because I dislike McDonald's food doesn't mean I'm going to claim "I'm lovin it" is false advertising, but that feels like what's happening in this thread -- a bunch of vague outrage with no objective basis.
     
    Just because I feel world PVP is completely meaningless and boring doesn't mean that I'm going around claiming devs lied to me about it.  (Though I will explain precisely why world PVP is bad.)

    Not to pick on you :P

     

    But see? A politician at work!

     

    /me exits stage left

    lol ..aint that rich ... yes ..slogans were the point of this ... wtf ... wall of subjective bs  ...... yes ..politics....

     and ok ill start with one .. but there are many we will let others come up with games that devs failed to deliver on promises...

     

        Ready..............Warhammer .. and i liked the game but they failed in many many ways .. Mark Jacobs is a bold face liar (much like a politician ) .. You can take the time to look up all the promises they failed to deliver ....

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by Vardahoth
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    I don't put much faith in the political field or feel it should be part of an entirely different portion of my life like gaming. If you don't like the way games are being developed simply find a new hobby. /shrug

    Politics you can change with a vote, gaming you can change with your imagination. 

    This is one of the big reasons games have become as dull as they are today. "Instead of coming up with a solution, just quit."

    Not a fan of quitting myself, but it seems people feel entitled and don't try to use their imagination, simply blaming the developers. If you start playing to have fun instead of looking at why it's not, then you are destined to quit anyway. 

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Vardahoth
    Originally posted by Amjoco

    I don't put much faith in the political field or feel it should be part of an entirely different portion of my life like gaming. If you don't like the way games are being developed simply find a new hobby. /shrug

    Politics you can change with a vote, gaming you can change with your imagination. 

    This is one of the big reasons games have become as dull as they are today. "Instead of coming up with a solution, just quit."

    Not a fan of quitting myself, but it seems people feel entitled and don't try to use their imagination, simply blaming the developers. If you start playing to have fun instead of looking at why it's not, then you are destined to quit anyway. 

    Fun is subjective. I don't see a problem if some find MMOs are not fun for them, and do something else. It is a free market.

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