Originally posted by Dullahan All forms of convenience popularized by WoW exist in ESO. The fact that it has more PvP focus doesn't change anything.
This is actually almost completely false- one of the main criticisms levelled at ESO is that it doesn't have many of the "forms of convenience" popularized by WoW: no auction house, no mini map, no real quest hubs, no flying mounts, no damage meters/information, etc.
This knee-jerk urge to call MMOs "WoW Clones" because they aren't "hardcore" needs to stop. There is a particular faction that wants to turn back the clock on MMOs, at least with certain features (I'm one of them), but to slander every MMO that doesn't fit the criteria as a WoW clone is just being dishonest.
Nothing knee-jerk about the things I say. I do my research before commenting, and I will continue to call modern themeparks WoW clones as long as they are based around convenience. You guys can carry the political correctness torch in my stead.
LOL!
Wow...thanks for the last minute giggle. Research...and political correctness....whew...srsly.
Jeebus. Some people
It all makes sense now, doesn't it? My beloved EQ1 is the true measure of all things. Comparing modern themeparks to each other can only result in foolishness.
Oh wait, was it UO not EQ1?
Originally posted by YashaX
Originally posted by Dullahan All forms of convenience popularized by WoW exist in ESO. The fact that it has more PvP focus doesn't change anything.
This is actually almost completely false- one of the main criticisms levelled at ESO is that it doesn't have many of the "forms of convenience" popularized by WoW: no auction house, no mini map, no real quest hubs, no flying mounts, no damage meters/information, etc.
I dont feel like this game is a WOW clone at all, but the main argument against this game is always "it feels like a generic WOW clone." I dont understand whats generic about ESO at all really (im not saying its extremely innovative or anything but a WOW clone?)
So what are some ways ESO feels like a generic WoW ripoff, i want to hear opinions.
Far from WoW so who ever is telling you this are idiots like for real idiots the only thing in common with WoW is the fact that you can play with other players online in a fantasy universe.
Originally posted by Dullahan All forms of convenience popularized by WoW exist in ESO. The fact that it has more PvP focus doesn't change anything.
This is actually almost completely false- one of the main criticisms levelled at ESO is that it doesn't have many of the "forms of convenience" popularized by WoW: no auction house, no mini map, no real quest hubs, no flying mounts, no damage meters/information, etc.
The irony is that he discredits himself time and time again, yet believes he's doing just the opposite.
Gotta love this site. If the thread was "ESO is nothing like Donkey Kong" someone would disagree.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
This knee-jerk urge to call MMOs "WoW Clones" because they aren't "hardcore" needs to stop. There is a particular faction that wants to turn back the clock on MMOs, at least with certain features (I'm one of them), but to slander every MMO that doesn't fit the criteria as a WoW clone is just being dishonest.
Nothing knee-jerk about the things I say. I do my research before commenting, and I will continue to call modern themeparks WoW clones as long as they are based around convenience. You guys can carry the political correctness torch in my stead.
You can call them what you want, I don't think that has been the issue at all in this discussion. Just people trying to make sense of it.
Just to ask though...How do you research a singular definition of a term (with no real definition) that has been used in so many cases in so many different ways.. Going all the way back through a decade of games?
By research, I simply mean I play the games before I comment on them. I've been discussing and writing on MMOs for nearly 2 decades, so I'm well acquainted with the meaning and usual context of genre terminology.
Yes, but you think that you're helping the situation when you're actually hurting it. Same as with P2W. P2W was ACTUALLY relevant until people started calling everything P2W. Now people simply care less about it. By calling, essentially, everything a "WoW Clone" you dilute the meaning entirely and people just accept that all MMORPGs are WoW clones.
I have NOT done my research, but I HAVE played plenty of MMORPGs and I would assert with great confidence that I could quite easily draw very solid lines between WoW and most every MMORPG (including games that are NOT themeparks). Some sandbox games may actually be MORE of a WoW Clone than some of the themepark games out there.
Honestly, if we're to think that a WoW Clone is a "bad" thing then we really should reserve it for games that fit the mold, not every single thing. ESO is definitely NOT a WoW Clone. It has very few things, on the whole, in common with WoW, from graphics, to questing, to crafting, to economy, to PvP. It's quite literally an entirely different game. This coming from someone who has played WoW for the past 10 years and who played ESO at release for 6 months. Oh, and did I mention that I've played a metric crap ton of other MMORPGs.
Originally posted by Iselin Gotta love this site. If the thread was "ESO is nothing like Donkey Kong" someone would disagree.
I would disagree ESO and wow for that matter are Donkey Kong clones because Donkey Kong popularized jumping and you can jump in WoW and ESO.
I've been playing and studying video games for nigh on 43 years so I know what I'm talking about.
Predictable but you get a LOL anyway
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
It's not a WoW clone, but it is definitely inspired by WoW. I don't consider a clone to be a bad thing so long as it has uniqueness which ESO does, although no always in a way I appreciate.
It has a linear questing leveling system. that's the first MAJOR similarity and a major downfall for me.
It has dungeons. That is the second similarity.
I does not have instanced PvP, or Open World PvP like Wow does.
It does have a large open area zerg battleground, which WoW... kind of has, but it's not as good when it comes to content/gameplay.
It does not have Arena PvP.. yet.
Crafting is much much better than WoW, maybe not vanilla WoW, but especially since the newest xpac for WoW. Garrisons ruined crafting.
Questing is Voiced and just better. Class system is more varied in ESO but also more limited classes to choose from. I can have like 5-6 good builds with my Sorc, but beyond that, it does feel like you are playing the same class.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
It's not a WoW clone, but it is definitely inspired by WoW. I don't consider a clone to be a bad thing so long as it has uniqueness which ESO does, although no always in a way I appreciate.
It has a linear questing leveling system. that's the first MAJOR similarity and a major downfall for me.
It has dungeons. That is the second similarity.
I does not have instanced PvP, or Open World PvP like Wow does.
It does have a large open area zerg battleground, which WoW... kind of has, but it's not as good when it comes to content/gameplay.
It does not have Arena PvP.. yet.
Crafting is much much better than WoW, maybe not vanilla WoW, but especially since the newest xpac for WoW. Garrisons ruined crafting.
Questing is Voiced and just better. Class system is more varied in ESO but also more limited classes to choose from. I can have like 5-6 good builds with my Sorc, but beyond that, it does feel like you are playing the same class.
I don't get this one. Is it because the zones are level based? Sure there is a main story but beyond that there aren't any rails. You can go where you want if you can handle it. Heck on the 3 toons I level'd All I did was the main story.
It's not a WoW clone, but it is definitely inspired by WoW. I don't consider a clone to be a bad thing so long as it has uniqueness which ESO does, although no always in a way I appreciate.
It has a linear questing leveling system. that's the first MAJOR similarity and a major downfall for me.
It has dungeons. That is the second similarity.
I does not have instanced PvP, or Open World PvP like Wow does.
It does have a large open area zerg battleground, which WoW... kind of has, but it's not as good when it comes to content/gameplay.
It does not have Arena PvP.. yet.
Crafting is much much better than WoW, maybe not vanilla WoW, but especially since the newest xpac for WoW. Garrisons ruined crafting.
Questing is Voiced and just better. Class system is more varied in ESO but also more limited classes to choose from. I can have like 5-6 good builds with my Sorc, but beyond that, it does feel like you are playing the same class.
I don't get this one. Is it because the zones are level based? Sure there is a main story but beyond that there aren't any rails. You can go where you want if you can handle it. Heck on the 3 toons I level'd All I did was the main story.
Linear questing is just the fastest (but also very slow paced anyway). That would be feasible if ESO was my only hobby/game. Not saying that's bad or this playstyle shouldn't be in games, but this is why I can't stick with it. I get burned out.
This would be my main game and I always say that I will return upon the removal of Veteral Levels, and the inclusion of Open-world Pvp. That will make me play again.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
I dont feel like this game is a WOW clone at all, but the main argument against this game is always "it feels like a generic WOW clone." I dont understand whats generic about ESO at all really (im not saying its extremely innovative or anything but a WOW clone?)
So what are some ways ESO feels like a generic WoW ripoff, i want to hear opinions.
What makes you think people are saying this? Did you make this up in your mind?
I dont feel like this game is a WOW clone at all, but the main argument against this game is always "it feels like a generic WOW clone." I dont understand whats generic about ESO at all really (im not saying its extremely innovative or anything but a WOW clone?)
So what are some ways ESO feels like a generic WoW ripoff, i want to hear opinions.
What makes you think people are saying this? Did you make this up in your mind?
Well considering there's a person arguing it is a WOW clone in this thread, I don't think it's in his mind.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It's not a WoW clone, but it is definitely inspired by WoW. I don't consider a clone to be a bad thing so long as it has uniqueness which ESO does, although no always in a way I appreciate.
It has a linear questing leveling system. that's the first MAJOR similarity and a major downfall for me.
It has dungeons. That is the second similarity.
I does not have instanced PvP, or Open World PvP like Wow does.
It does have a large open area zerg battleground, which WoW... kind of has, but it's not as good when it comes to content/gameplay.
It does not have Arena PvP.. yet.
Crafting is much much better than WoW, maybe not vanilla WoW, but especially since the newest xpac for WoW. Garrisons ruined crafting.
Questing is Voiced and just better. Class system is more varied in ESO but also more limited classes to choose from. I can have like 5-6 good builds with my Sorc, but beyond that, it does feel like you are playing the same class.
I don't get this one. Is it because the zones are level based? Sure there is a main story but beyond that there aren't any rails. You can go where you want if you can handle it. Heck on the 3 toons I level'd All I did was the main story.
There are so many ways to level, it's ridiculous to say otherwise. I guess those who PVE only might have a point about the questing but my 3 lowbee alts at the moment only pop-out of PVP to do the quests that I know are going to give me a skill point -- and I know AD so well by this point I can just make a beeline for them.
Other than that I go gather the skyshards and pop into each zone's public dungeon for the "group challenge" boss that gives a skill point reward. I ignore all other quests,
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
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This is actually almost completely false- one of the main criticisms levelled at ESO is that it doesn't have many of the "forms of convenience" popularized by WoW: no auction house, no mini map, no real quest hubs, no flying mounts, no damage meters/information, etc.
Don't use logic or reason...it doesn't work
um....absolutely nothing?
I don't like ESO, but yeah...DEFINITELY not WoW-like in ANY way.
Far from WoW so who ever is telling you this are idiots like for real idiots the only thing in common with WoW is the fact that you can play with other players online in a fantasy universe.
The irony is that he discredits himself time and time again, yet believes he's doing just the opposite.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I would disagree ESO and wow for that matter are Donkey Kong clones because Donkey Kong popularized jumping and you can jump in WoW and ESO.
I've been playing and studying video games for nigh on 43 years so I know what I'm talking about.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Yes, but you think that you're helping the situation when you're actually hurting it. Same as with P2W. P2W was ACTUALLY relevant until people started calling everything P2W. Now people simply care less about it. By calling, essentially, everything a "WoW Clone" you dilute the meaning entirely and people just accept that all MMORPGs are WoW clones.
I have NOT done my research, but I HAVE played plenty of MMORPGs and I would assert with great confidence that I could quite easily draw very solid lines between WoW and most every MMORPG (including games that are NOT themeparks). Some sandbox games may actually be MORE of a WoW Clone than some of the themepark games out there.
Honestly, if we're to think that a WoW Clone is a "bad" thing then we really should reserve it for games that fit the mold, not every single thing. ESO is definitely NOT a WoW Clone. It has very few things, on the whole, in common with WoW, from graphics, to questing, to crafting, to economy, to PvP. It's quite literally an entirely different game. This coming from someone who has played WoW for the past 10 years and who played ESO at release for 6 months. Oh, and did I mention that I've played a metric crap ton of other MMORPGs.
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Predictable but you get a LOL anyway
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
It's not a WoW clone, but it is definitely inspired by WoW. I don't consider a clone to be a bad thing so long as it has uniqueness which ESO does, although no always in a way I appreciate.
It has a linear questing leveling system. that's the first MAJOR similarity and a major downfall for me.
It has dungeons. That is the second similarity.
I does not have instanced PvP, or Open World PvP like Wow does.
It does have a large open area zerg battleground, which WoW... kind of has, but it's not as good when it comes to content/gameplay.
It does not have Arena PvP.. yet.
Crafting is much much better than WoW, maybe not vanilla WoW, but especially since the newest xpac for WoW. Garrisons ruined crafting.
Questing is Voiced and just better. Class system is more varied in ESO but also more limited classes to choose from. I can have like 5-6 good builds with my Sorc, but beyond that, it does feel like you are playing the same class.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
I don't get this one. Is it because the zones are level based? Sure there is a main story but beyond that there aren't any rails. You can go where you want if you can handle it. Heck on the 3 toons I level'd All I did was the main story.
Linear questing is just the fastest (but also very slow paced anyway). That would be feasible if ESO was my only hobby/game. Not saying that's bad or this playstyle shouldn't be in games, but this is why I can't stick with it. I get burned out.
This would be my main game and I always say that I will return upon the removal of Veteral Levels, and the inclusion of Open-world Pvp. That will make me play again.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
What makes you think people are saying this? Did you make this up in your mind?
Well considering there's a person arguing it is a WOW clone in this thread, I don't think it's in his mind.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
There are so many ways to level, it's ridiculous to say otherwise. I guess those who PVE only might have a point about the questing but my 3 lowbee alts at the moment only pop-out of PVP to do the quests that I know are going to give me a skill point -- and I know AD so well by this point I can just make a beeline for them.
Other than that I go gather the skyshards and pop into each zone's public dungeon for the "group challenge" boss that gives a skill point reward. I ignore all other quests,
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED