You didn't quote the other posts, you quoted this one. And this one was clearly expressing sarcasm.
BTW, have you heard that suddenly things are starting to progress over at CIG with Star Citizen. What a revelation or was it magic? *laughs*
TBH the only thing that comes off in your posts is hostility, no matter what you're saying which kind of drowns out anything else you're portraying...That's just me though, and sure, I see they're caving and rushing to keep public perception up, the question is whether that's a sound move... What's the point in getting what you want if it isn't given the proper time it needs?
Is the only thing you can resort to when you don't like the response from another poster is coming off as some time of victim? Can you not respond to a post without alluding to some type of personal "hostile" victimization? There is nothing hostile about my posts. If my posts hurt you so much, don't respond to them? That's shouldn't be too hard to do, could it? Please develop thicker skin or avoid responding to my posts. This labeling others as being hostile when it is nothing more than having a debate gets old really quick. They are the type of keywords that many posters in this forum resort to in order to try to get another poster banned. If you want to debate, then let's debate but please lose the weak BS talk. It gets irritating.
Yes your post are hostile if you have to make assumptions that your comments are hurting others and making them victims. They are certainly not friendly posts.
@ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Distopia @ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
Don't expect a reasonable answer or -most probably- an answer at all. I'm predicting that if he does answer this it'll be a dodge.
Originally posted by observer I guess Star Citizen fans can thank Derek Smart. None of this would have happened if he wasn't so vocal.
I must admit that I find it very coincidental that within a week of Mr. Smart's allegations, we now have the FPS module in 3-5 weeks (instead of the projected 10 months) and a brand new PTU build. Let's hope that at least some resolution is brought to the whole issue.
Why did you toss Derek Smart softball questions during the interview? Why didn't you follow up with the fact that people who actually WORKED FOR CryTek were with CIG and working on Star Citizen (actual people that had their hands on the tech and knew their stuff)?
Why did you allow him to get away with his hiring visual art/graphic engine programmers to imply that that's all that were hired at CIG when quick research will show that was either a blatant lie or Derek Smart himself is just talking out of his ass?
Are we going to be better for it? I just wish mmorpg would have looked at the bigger picture and hold Derek under the same scrutiny and probe into his motivations, projects, and how he treats his customers.
You never pursued the issue before Derek started making his attacks even though the questions were already out there.
For some reason this project is getting held to more focused scrutiny because it actually successfully funded on the level a triple A mmo needs. Why isn't the project getting the development breathing room most big projects get which is 4 - 5 years.
I think what has happening is that trolls and competing developers have now been given the validation to attack projects to tear them down. Some, like Derek, want publicity and to remove competition, not to mention his age old envy and hatred for Roberts. Some just want to see things fail because they don't like crowdfunding, indie, corporate, or whatever they personal bent is. And some just want to see it all burn. You've been here long enough to know that a very vocal minority of gamers wants to see a huge industry failure because they think that will generate a rebirth.
What kind of resolution do you think this will bring? What kind of resolution do you want to see?
CIG drew first blood by kicking him out. I have not seen anything posted on CIG forums from Smart. Smart expressed his concern about CIG on a platform totally separate from CIG. By that logic and their ToS CIG can kick anybody for shits and giggles with a response toward that action can be, "because we thought he smelled funny and we just don't want him around our play ground". So if a backer talks smack about CIG on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or their own blog/vlog they can and will be kicked out and refunded?! Serious?! Well, CIG just gave people who want a refund a key "if" they were a legacy KS backer. If people pledged on their website they are SoL on a refund but they can still be kicked out for any reason CIG wants.
Yes, I do believe MMORPG.com was looking at the big picture.
Originally posted by Distopia @ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
I've been very consistent in all of my posts in that all I am interested in is accountability. CIG can take all the time they need to make a quality product provided they make a reasonable effort to regularly inform their backers as to how their collective $85 million dollars are being allocated. This is standard business practice and it should be distributed monthly in some form or another. Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving people money that is supposed to be allotted toward the development of a project, and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money with no accountability for it whatsoever. There is nothing wrong with asking for a bit of accountability. And if they have nothing to hide, there should have no reason to provide a satisfactory level of accountability. I can't help it if I am no fool when it comes to finances. I hold nothing personal against Chris Roberts and CIG. I simply believe that there should be more accountability in this industry and there is no better time than now to start setting that very important precedent.
Originally posted by Distopia @ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
I've been very consistent with all of my posts in that all I am interested is accountability. CIG can take all the time they need if they make a reasonable effort to inform their backers as to how their collective $85 million dollars are being allocated. This is standard business practice. Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving them money and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money. There is nothing wrong with asking for a bit of accountability. And if they have nothing to hide, there should have no reason to provide a satisfactory level of accountability. I can't help it if I am no fool when it comes to finances. I hold nothing personal against Chris Roberts and CIG. I simply believe that there should be more accountability in this industry and there is no better time than now to start setting that very important precedent.
I don't even pre-order games let alone fund kickstarters, so i wouldn't go making assumptions about throwing money around without accountability to it at folks like myself. Not from your position anyway...That's a whole different can of worms not related to this topic.
That said, So it does not concern you that a module that went from indefinite hiatus (declared as such a short while ago), suddenly becomes a status of ready in 3-5 weeks? That doesn't say to you "great now they're rushing stuff out?" is that what you wanted in your accountability? What else do you expect from such demands?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Distopia @ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
One of the reasons I'm satisfied with the shape of things at CIG is because the majority of the backers understand that they are not going to be rushing a product out the door. I'm fairly certain there have been polls to that effect. So it's taking years to complete, that's fine. It's expected. Game development is bound by the same linear progression of time as everything else.
Go do a bit of research on the latest and greatest games. They take Years. GTA V - 5 years. Fallout 4 - 5 years so far. Metal Gear Solid V - ~5 years. Star Citizen was officially funded on November 19th 1012. People are freaking out about a game that hasn't even been in development for 3 whole years yet.
So what exactly are people bitching about? That the game is shockingly still in development halfway through the standard amount of development time?
Why are people so up in arms? Because CIG is open in their development. They flood us with information, from the small mundane details to the big decisions. If this was standard game development you wouldn't even know this game existed for another year and a half.
Then Derek Smart, professional douche, comes into the picture. He's scared to death because CIG are making the game he's been failing to make for decades. So he makes trouble. Because that's what Derek Smart does. Judging from his past work, that is apparently ALL he does. The Internet being what it is, and since we have a few new generations around who aren't savvy to the ways of Derek Smart, swallows his steaming pile of bullshit. and we come back around to my previous comment.
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Originally posted by Distopia @ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
One of the reasons I'm satisfied with the shape of things at CIG is because the majority of the backers understand that they are not going to be rushing a product out the door. I'm fairly certain there have been polls to that effect. So it's taking years to complete, that's fine. It's expected. Game development is bound by the same linear progression of time as everything else.
Go do a bit of research on the latest and greatest games. They take Years. GTA V - 5 years. Fallout 4 - 5 years so far. Metal Gear Solid V - ~5 years. Star Citizen was officially funded on November 19th 1012. People are freaking out about a game that hasn't even been in development for 3 whole years yet.
So what exactly are people bitching about? That the game is shockingly still in development halfway through the standard amount of development time?
Why are people so up in arms? Because CIG is open in their development. They flood us with information, from the small mundane details to the big decisions. If this was standard game development you wouldn't even know this game existed for another year and a half.
Then Derek Smart, professional douche, comes into the picture. He's scared to death because CIG are making the game he's been failing to make for decades. So he makes trouble. Because that's what Derek Smart does. Judging from his past work, that is apparently ALL he does. The Internet being what it is, and since we have a few new generations around who aren't savvy to the ways of Derek Smart, swallows his steaming pile of bullshit. and we come back around to my previous comment.
Well put.. both posts..., and i hope it remains that way and turns out that way... But sadly it's things like this that show the public, might be a worse investor in large scale products than even publishers are, they're not bound by NDA's, no interest in keeping drama private etc.. so it creates a lot more public pressure and scrutiny, especially when someone gets a witch hunt going in they media. We see it everyday in the real media, railroading due to incompetent tabloid style reporting.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Distopia @ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
I've been very consistent with all of my posts in that all I am interested is accountability. CIG can take all the time they need if they make a reasonable effort to inform their backers as to how their collective $85 million dollars are being allocated. This is standard business practice. Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving them money and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money. There is nothing wrong with asking for a bit of accountability. And if they have nothing to hide, there should have no reason to provide a satisfactory level of accountability. I can't help it if I am no fool when it comes to finances. I hold nothing personal against Chris Roberts and CIG. I simply believe that there should be more accountability in this industry and there is no better time than now to start setting that very important precedent.
I don't even pre-order games let alone fund kickstarters, so i wouldn't go making assumptions about throwing money around without accountability to it at folks like myself. Not from your position anyway...That's a whole different can of worms not related to this topic.
That said, So it does not concern you that a module that went from indefinite hiatus (declared as such a short while ago), suddenly becomes a status of ready in 3-5 weeks? That doesn't say to you "great now they're rushing stuff out?" is that what you wanted in your accountability?
Did I say anything in my post about you specifically pre-ordering games or funding kickstarters? No I did not. So why are you assuming that I did anything of the sort in my post?
Regarding your question, no it does not concern me because I am not going to assume what caused them to do that. And assuming is exactly what anyone would be doing by attempting to come to a conclusion about why this was done. On on extreme some may think it is due because now they are being force to rush to release something. Others, however, may believe that they've had it ready all along and they've only been stretching their release in an attempt to secure additional funding. And yet what others may take out of it is that they are finally going to stop shooting the sht in the office and get to work in releasing something substantive for their backers to sink their teeth into. Who knows why it happened now. It sure seems like a coincidence that it happened when the doo doo hit the fan this week but I am in no position to know why it happened and I am not going to making any assumptions as to why either. It is what it is. That they are finally being held accountable is all I need, and want, to know. That's it.
Did I say anything in my post about you specifically pre-ordering games or funding kickstarters? No I did not. So why are you assuming that I did anything of the sort in my post?
No it does not concern because I am not going to assume what caused them to do that. And assuming is exactly what anyone would be doing by attempting to come to a conclusion about why this was done. On on extreme some may think it is due because now they are being force to rush to release something. Others, however, may believe that they've had it ready all along and they've only been stretching their release in an attempt to secure additional funding. And yet what others may take out of it is that they are finally going to stop shooting the sht in the office and get to work in releasing something substantive for their backers to sink their teeth into. Who knows why it happened now. It sure seems like a coincidence that it happened when the doo doo hit the fan this week but I am in no position to know why it happened and I am not going to making any assumptions as to why either. It is what it is. That they are finally being held accountable is all I need, and want, to know. That's it.
"Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving them money and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money."
What else are you doing when you fund a kickstarter campaign or through CIG itself?
I asked you a simple question and this was the response you decided to focus on. You still haven't even answered that question.. Do you actually read anything including your own posts?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Distopia @ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
I've been very consistent with all of my posts in that all I am interested is accountability. CIG can take all the time they need if they make a reasonable effort to inform their backers as to how their collective $85 million dollars are being allocated. This is standard business practice. Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving them money and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money. There is nothing wrong with asking for a bit of accountability. And if they have nothing to hide, there should have no reason to provide a satisfactory level of accountability. I can't help it if I am no fool when it comes to finances. I hold nothing personal against Chris Roberts and CIG. I simply believe that there should be more accountability in this industry and there is no better time than now to start setting that very important precedent.
I don't even pre-order games let alone fund kickstarters, so i wouldn't go making assumptions about throwing money around without accountability to it at folks like myself. Not from your position anyway...That's a whole different can of worms not related to this topic.
That said, So it does not concern you that a module that went from indefinite hiatus (declared as such a short while ago), suddenly becomes a status of ready in 3-5 weeks? That doesn't say to you "great now they're rushing stuff out?" is that what you wanted in your accountability?
Did I say anything in my post about you specifically pre-ordering games or funding kickstarters? No I did not. So why are you assuming that I did anything of the sort in my post?
No it does not concern because I am not going to assume what caused them to do that. And assuming is exactly what anyone would be doing by attempting to come to a conclusion about why this was done. On on extreme some may think it is due because now they are being force to rush to release something. Others, however, may believe that they've had it ready all along and they've only been stretching their release in an attempt to secure additional funding. And yet what others may take out of it is that they are finally going to stop shooting the sht in the office and get to work in releasing something substantive for their backers to sink their teeth into. Who knows why it happened now. It sure seems like a coincidence that it happened when the doo doo hit the fan this week but I am in no position to know why it happened and I am not going to making any assumptions as to why either. It is what it is. That they are finally being held accountable is all I need, and want, to know. That's it.
"Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving them money and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money."
What else are you doing when you fund a kickstarter campaign or through CIG itself?
"Unlike many of you" is a general term. Unless, of course, you think of yourself as the general "many of you." I think you're smart enough to know that. Please don't disappoint me and tell me you don't know the difference.
Regarding your question, it makes no sense. Might want to rephrase it.
Originally posted by Distopia
Do you actually read anything including your own posts?
Originally posted by Distopia @ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
I've been very consistent with all of my posts in that all I am interested is accountability. CIG can take all the time they need if they make a reasonable effort to inform their backers as to how their collective $85 million dollars are being allocated. This is standard business practice. Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving them money and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money. There is nothing wrong with asking for a bit of accountability. And if they have nothing to hide, there should have no reason to provide a satisfactory level of accountability. I can't help it if I am no fool when it comes to finances. I hold nothing personal against Chris Roberts and CIG. I simply believe that there should be more accountability in this industry and there is no better time than now to start setting that very important precedent.
I don't even pre-order games let alone fund kickstarters, so i wouldn't go making assumptions about throwing money around without accountability to it at folks like myself. Not from your position anyway...That's a whole different can of worms not related to this topic.
That said, So it does not concern you that a module that went from indefinite hiatus (declared as such a short while ago), suddenly becomes a status of ready in 3-5 weeks? That doesn't say to you "great now they're rushing stuff out?" is that what you wanted in your accountability?
Did I say anything in my post about you specifically pre-ordering games or funding kickstarters? No I did not. So why are you assuming that I did anything of the sort in my post?
No it does not concern because I am not going to assume what caused them to do that. And assuming is exactly what anyone would be doing by attempting to come to a conclusion about why this was done. On on extreme some may think it is due because now they are being force to rush to release something. Others, however, may believe that they've had it ready all along and they've only been stretching their release in an attempt to secure additional funding. And yet what others may take out of it is that they are finally going to stop shooting the sht in the office and get to work in releasing something substantive for their backers to sink their teeth into. Who knows why it happened now. It sure seems like a coincidence that it happened when the doo doo hit the fan this week but I am in no position to know why it happened and I am not going to making any assumptions as to why either. It is what it is. That they are finally being held accountable is all I need, and want, to know. That's it.
"Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving them money and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money."
What else are you doing when you fund a kickstarter campaign or through CIG itself?
"Unlike many of you" is a general term. Unless, of course, you think of yourself as the general "many of you." I think you're smart enough to know that. Please don't disappoint me and tell me you don't know the difference.
Regarding your question, it makes no sense. Might want to rephrase it.
I think the term "Unlike many others" would make your counterpoint valid , saying "you" makes it personal to whoever is reading it. So to me this response makes no sense.
Originally posted by observer I guess Star Citizen fans can thank Derek Smart. None of this would have happened if he wasn't so vocal.
I must admit that I find it very coincidental that within a week of Mr. Smart's allegations, we now have the FPS module in 3-5 weeks (instead of the projected 10 months) and a brand new PTU build. Let's hope that at least some resolution is brought to the whole issue.
May I point out that for weeks now CIG was telling us backers that these new things will be showcased at GamesCom2015 ? Especially Multi-Crew ships and improved netcode allowing more people fighting each other. Multi-Crew ships need the FPS technology, so it was also clear that advances in the FPS module would be presented at GamesCom. CIG devs at the forum had told us for weeks now that the FPS reworking will take a few weeks, NOT months. With GamesCom being in Germany, the new CIG Frankfurt office will most likely get some media exposure. That is a studio fully dedicated to the core game mechanics, with 25+ CryEngine experts (will be enlarge to 50) in the same city as CryTek HQ.
I have not heard anywhere a quote by Chris Roberts that it would take 10 months, so i am curious where this number came from. Would you please post a link to the source for that number ?
Having said that I personally do not believe that these improvements have been forced by anyone from the outside. These planned improvements are not unknown to backers that follow the CIG news on a regular basis. The timing of the announcement most likely has more to do with GamesCom coming in 2 weeks than with any "outside pressure".
"Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving them money and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money."
What else are you doing when you fund a kickstarter campaign or through CIG itself?
"Unlike many of you" is a general term. Unless, of course, you think of yourself as the general "many of you." I think you're smart enough to know that. Please don't disappoint me and tell me you don't know the difference.
Regarding your question, it makes no sense. Might want to rephrase it.
I think the term "Unlike many others" would make your counterpoint valid , saying "you" makes it personal to whoever is reading it. So to me this response makes no sense.
Yes, I figured to you it wouldn't. That's attributed to a lack of reading comprehension. Might want to look into that.
Regarding your question, it makes no sense. Might want to rephrase it.
The question doesn't make sense? It's quite simple... what is more important, getting it when you want, or getting it done right? What makes no sense in that? One means you don't care about the quality of the product, you're more concerned about your own wants, the other means your wants are secondary to what's important for the success of the game.. If you want to play investor, CEO or Publisher, this is the question you must ask...
I'll give you an example: Jim Ward, The guy who basically said quality does not supercede timetables... The same guy that essentially turned Lucasarts into nothing more than a publisher of Shovelware... He'd side with his want of numbers over selling quality games.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving them money and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money."
What else are you doing when you fund a kickstarter campaign or through CIG itself?
"Unlike many of you" is a general term. Unless, of course, you think of yourself as the general "many of you." I think you're smart enough to know that. Please don't disappoint me and tell me you don't know the difference.
Regarding your question, it makes no sense. Might want to rephrase it.
I think the term "Unlike many others" would make your counterpoint valid , saying "you" makes it personal to whoever is reading it. So to me this response makes no sense.
Yes, I figured to you it wouldn't. That's a personal problem though. Might want to look into it.
This makes no sense either other then you trying to deflect my point. Using the word "you" makes the context of what your saying personal as in the reader thinks you are referring to them. That is why you got that reply back from Distopia in such a way. The failure of communication is on your end.
Regarding your question, it makes no sense. Might want to rephrase it.
The question doesn't make sense? It's quite simple... what is more important, getting it when you want, or getting it done right? What makes no sense in that? One means you don't care about the quality of the product, you're more concerned about your own wants, the other means your wants are secondary to what's important for the success of the game.. If you want to play investor, CEO or Publisher, this is the question you must ask...
I'll give you an example: Jim Ward, The guy who basically said quality does not supercede timetables... The same guy that essentially turned Lucasarts into nothing more than a publisher of Shovelware... He'd side with his want of numbers over selling quality games.
*laughs* ... and you dare talk about my not reading post?
If you scroll back to post #37 and this is what you'll find ...
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by Distopia @ Laced, since you're really one of the few backers posting here about the issue, at least that I'm aware of. I'll pose this question to you... @ anyone else; If you are a backer, feel free to answer as well... What do you feel is more important; getting things in a timely manner, or getting a quality product?
I've been very consistent in all of my posts in that all I am interested in is accountability. CIG can take all the time they need to make a quality product provided they make a reasonable effort to regularly inform their backers as to how their collective $85 million dollars are being allocated. This is standard business practice and it should be distributed monthly in some form or another. Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving people money that is supposed to be allotted toward the development of a project, and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money with no accountability for it whatsoever. There is nothing wrong with asking for a bit of accountability. And if they have nothing to hide, there should have no reason to provide a satisfactory level of accountability. I can't help it if I am no fool when it comes to finances. I hold nothing personal against Chris Roberts and CIG. I simply believe that there should be more accountability in this industry and there is no better time than now to start setting that very important precedent.
If you're going to be condescending at least make certain you are standing on firm ground before doing so. It will save you from looking like a fool in the future.
Maybe you should reread the rest of your exchange with me? As that was the reason behind my follow up question "so you have no concern that they totally 180'd on their statement it was being delayed? Then All of sudden just a few short weeks later it will be ready?" How could you have such a concern when making a statement like that? That sends no red flags? For someone who's all about accountability and transparency.. that's odd,
You don't see that all of these calls for transparency and accountability could have very easily resulted in a rush to get something out? It's all relative, if you're more worried about them jumping to action every time you demand, this is the result you're going to get... It basically boils down to everything you say says more and more that all you are worried about is your demand..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by LacedOpium my only concern is accountability. No I don't care about any of that other stuff you posted.
You could have said just that in response to begin with, that's a real answer.
I didn't need to hear about how people spend money, your principles on accountability, CIG or How sensitive I am as well as anything else you posted...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Oh neat, will this new module have some pictures of ships I can buy? Does anyone really believe anything coming out of this mess of a company? First they said 10 months, then they said 2 months once they started getting some bad press and people calling them on their bs? Wasn't this game supposed to be out like last year and they are talking about 10 months for another "module"? Sure all games get delayed, but seriously, this is getting silly at this point. They are going to run out of money pretty soon. 85 million goes fast when you got 300 employees including all your family and friends drawing big salaries for doing nothing. Biggest crowdfunding scam in history. That is what Chris Roberts will be known for now. Brad McQuaid is happy though, this makes him running off with the 150k from Pantheon look like a kid stealing a candy bar. Way to raise the bar CR.
Originally posted by donger56 Oh neat, will this new module have some pictures of ships I can buy? Does anyone really believe anything coming out of this mess of a company? First they said 10 months, then they said 2 months once they started getting some bad press and people calling them on their bs? Wasn't this game supposed to be out like last year and they are talking about 10 months for another "module"? Sure all games get delayed, but seriously, this is getting silly at this point. They are going to run out of money pretty soon. 85 million goes fast when you got 300 employees including all your family and friends drawing big salaries for doing nothing. Biggest crowdfunding scam in history. That is what Chris Roberts will be known for now. Brad McQuaid is happy though, this makes him running off with the 150k from Pantheon look like a kid stealing a candy bar. Way to raise the bar CR.
The "original" concept was scheduled for Nov 2014. As funding increased so did their goal By adding new modules for each goal reached, that pushed back the date.
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Yes your post are hostile if you have to make assumptions that your comments are hurting others and making them victims. They are certainly not friendly posts.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Don't expect a reasonable answer or -most probably- an answer at all. I'm predicting that if he does answer this it'll be a dodge.
Why did you toss Derek Smart softball questions during the interview? Why didn't you follow up with the fact that people who actually WORKED FOR CryTek were with CIG and working on Star Citizen (actual people that had their hands on the tech and knew their stuff)?
Why did you allow him to get away with his hiring visual art/graphic engine programmers to imply that that's all that were hired at CIG when quick research will show that was either a blatant lie or Derek Smart himself is just talking out of his ass?
CIG drew first blood by kicking him out. I have not seen anything posted on CIG forums from Smart. Smart expressed his concern about CIG on a platform totally separate from CIG. By that logic and their ToS CIG can kick anybody for shits and giggles with a response toward that action can be, "because we thought he smelled funny and we just don't want him around our play ground". So if a backer talks smack about CIG on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or their own blog/vlog they can and will be kicked out and refunded?! Serious?! Well, CIG just gave people who want a refund a key "if" they were a legacy KS backer. If people pledged on their website they are SoL on a refund but they can still be kicked out for any reason CIG wants.
Yes, I do believe MMORPG.com was looking at the big picture.
I can't wait to see a video.
I've been very consistent in all of my posts in that all I am interested in is accountability. CIG can take all the time they need to make a quality product provided they make a reasonable effort to regularly inform their backers as to how their collective $85 million dollars are being allocated. This is standard business practice and it should be distributed monthly in some form or another. Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving people money that is supposed to be allotted toward the development of a project, and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money with no accountability for it whatsoever. There is nothing wrong with asking for a bit of accountability. And if they have nothing to hide, there should have no reason to provide a satisfactory level of accountability. I can't help it if I am no fool when it comes to finances. I hold nothing personal against Chris Roberts and CIG. I simply believe that there should be more accountability in this industry and there is no better time than now to start setting that very important precedent.
I don't even pre-order games let alone fund kickstarters, so i wouldn't go making assumptions about throwing money around without accountability to it at folks like myself. Not from your position anyway...That's a whole different can of worms not related to this topic.
That said, So it does not concern you that a module that went from indefinite hiatus (declared as such a short while ago), suddenly becomes a status of ready in 3-5 weeks? That doesn't say to you "great now they're rushing stuff out?" is that what you wanted in your accountability? What else do you expect from such demands?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
One of the reasons I'm satisfied with the shape of things at CIG is because the majority of the backers understand that they are not going to be rushing a product out the door. I'm fairly certain there have been polls to that effect. So it's taking years to complete, that's fine. It's expected. Game development is bound by the same linear progression of time as everything else.
Go do a bit of research on the latest and greatest games. They take Years. GTA V - 5 years. Fallout 4 - 5 years so far. Metal Gear Solid V - ~5 years. Star Citizen was officially funded on November 19th 1012. People are freaking out about a game that hasn't even been in development for 3 whole years yet.
So what exactly are people bitching about? That the game is shockingly still in development halfway through the standard amount of development time?
Why are people so up in arms? Because CIG is open in their development. They flood us with information, from the small mundane details to the big decisions. If this was standard game development you wouldn't even know this game existed for another year and a half.
Then Derek Smart, professional douche, comes into the picture. He's scared to death because CIG are making the game he's been failing to make for decades. So he makes trouble. Because that's what Derek Smart does. Judging from his past work, that is apparently ALL he does. The Internet being what it is, and since we have a few new generations around who aren't savvy to the ways of Derek Smart, swallows his steaming pile of bullshit. and we come back around to my previous comment.
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Well put.. both posts..., and i hope it remains that way and turns out that way... But sadly it's things like this that show the public, might be a worse investor in large scale products than even publishers are, they're not bound by NDA's, no interest in keeping drama private etc.. so it creates a lot more public pressure and scrutiny, especially when someone gets a witch hunt going in they media. We see it everyday in the real media, railroading due to incompetent tabloid style reporting.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Did I say anything in my post about you specifically pre-ordering games or funding kickstarters? No I did not. So why are you assuming that I did anything of the sort in my post?
Regarding your question, no it does not concern me because I am not going to assume what caused them to do that. And assuming is exactly what anyone would be doing by attempting to come to a conclusion about why this was done. On on extreme some may think it is due because now they are being force to rush to release something. Others, however, may believe that they've had it ready all along and they've only been stretching their release in an attempt to secure additional funding. And yet what others may take out of it is that they are finally going to stop shooting the sht in the office and get to work in releasing something substantive for their backers to sink their teeth into. Who knows why it happened now. It sure seems like a coincidence that it happened when the doo doo hit the fan this week but I am in no position to know why it happened and I am not going to making any assumptions as to why either. It is what it is. That they are finally being held accountable is all I need, and want, to know. That's it.
"Unlike many of you, I don't subscribe to the theory of just giving them money and allowing them to self supervise themselves with that money."
What else are you doing when you fund a kickstarter campaign or through CIG itself?
I asked you a simple question and this was the response you decided to focus on. You still haven't even answered that question.. Do you actually read anything including your own posts?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"Unlike many of you" is a general term. Unless, of course, you think of yourself as the general "many of you." I think you're smart enough to know that. Please don't disappoint me and tell me you don't know the difference.
Regarding your question, it makes no sense. Might want to rephrase it.
Childish cheap shot. You can do better.
I think the term "Unlike many others" would make your counterpoint valid , saying "you" makes it personal to whoever is reading it. So to me this response makes no sense.
May I point out that for weeks now CIG was telling us backers that these new things will be showcased at GamesCom2015 ? Especially Multi-Crew ships and improved netcode allowing more people fighting each other. Multi-Crew ships need the FPS technology, so it was also clear that advances in the FPS module would be presented at GamesCom. CIG devs at the forum had told us for weeks now that the FPS reworking will take a few weeks, NOT months. With GamesCom being in Germany, the new CIG Frankfurt office will most likely get some media exposure. That is a studio fully dedicated to the core game mechanics, with 25+ CryEngine experts (will be enlarge to 50) in the same city as CryTek HQ.
I have not heard anywhere a quote by Chris Roberts that it would take 10 months, so i am curious where this number came from. Would you please post a link to the source for that number ?
Having said that I personally do not believe that these improvements have been forced by anyone from the outside. These planned improvements are not unknown to backers that follow the CIG news on a regular basis. The timing of the announcement most likely has more to do with GamesCom coming in 2 weeks than with any "outside pressure".
Have fun
Yes, I figured to you it wouldn't. That's attributed to a lack of reading comprehension. Might want to look into that.
The question doesn't make sense? It's quite simple... what is more important, getting it when you want, or getting it done right? What makes no sense in that? One means you don't care about the quality of the product, you're more concerned about your own wants, the other means your wants are secondary to what's important for the success of the game.. If you want to play investor, CEO or Publisher, this is the question you must ask...
I'll give you an example: Jim Ward, The guy who basically said quality does not supercede timetables... The same guy that essentially turned Lucasarts into nothing more than a publisher of Shovelware... He'd side with his want of numbers over selling quality games.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This makes no sense either other then you trying to deflect my point. Using the word "you" makes the context of what your saying personal as in the reader thinks you are referring to them. That is why you got that reply back from Distopia in such a way. The failure of communication is on your end.
Maybe you should reread the rest of your exchange with me? As that was the reason behind my follow up question "so you have no concern that they totally 180'd on their statement it was being delayed? Then All of sudden just a few short weeks later it will be ready?" How could you have such a concern when making a statement like that? That sends no red flags? For someone who's all about accountability and transparency.. that's odd,
You don't see that all of these calls for transparency and accountability could have very easily resulted in a rush to get something out? It's all relative, if you're more worried about them jumping to action every time you demand, this is the result you're going to get... It basically boils down to everything you say says more and more that all you are worried about is your demand..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You could have said just that in response to begin with, that's a real answer.
I didn't need to hear about how people spend money, your principles on accountability, CIG or How sensitive I am as well as anything else you posted...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Fine.
You have a good night.
Thanks, you too.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The "original" concept was scheduled for Nov 2014. As funding increased so did their goal By adding new modules for each goal reached, that pushed back the date.