As a gamer Dx12 is a huge reason to upgrade especially if you have newer AMD card. R9-290 and R9-290X see huge performance gains with Dx12.
I didn't know there were any games out that took advantage of dx12.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Nvidia will not open source anything. Meaning development teams will have less easy resources during the research phase. When on a time crunch that research time of development will surely be short. Patches will follow through eventually with more support... And an operating system would be no good if it cannot handle a vast amount of hardware types.
I favor neither side... Plain and simply both flavors do one thing or another better then the other only on particular software. One excels here and one excels there. Operating system side support usually grows continuously, the applications on the other handle take longer or not at all to patch in more support.
AMD could also be favored on the DirectX side because of XBox One using AMD hardware.
I don't disagree... Infact tried my best to be unbiased to either side on both cases (Chip manufacturers, and software licensing)... Guess I came on strong.
To sum it up I'm saying at this moment in time, AMD hardware may be more favored by the new Microsoft because of having an abundance of AMD information and research available to them directly to work with optimizing DirectX 12. Nvidia will follow suit and be on par in a short amount of time there after -- Especially now with a new OS and rendering API -- Through patches and updates. I would stress that it be due to the Xbox One, with Windows 10 and direct x 12 available to the media system. More work under the same house of cards.
Pretty much... I remain a stick to my working weapon type with new tech these days... Give it time or prepare for little disappointments. Though there is also the thrill of the gamble.
I don't disagree... Infact tried my best to be unbiased to either side on both cases (Chip manufacturers, and software licensing)... Guess I came on strong.
To sum it up I'm saying at this moment in time, AMD hardware may be more favored by the new Microsoft because of having an abundance of AMD information and research available to them directly to work with optimizing DirectX 12. Nvidia will follow suit and be on par in a short amount of time there after -- Especially now with a new OS and rendering API -- Through patches and updates. I would stress that it be due to the Xbox One, with Windows 10 and direct x 12 available to the media system. More work under the same house of cards.
It also doesn't hurt that DX12 was based largely (and indirectly, unlike Vulkan which is more or less a direct translation) on Mantle, which AMD developed and optimized their cards for early on with GCN 1.0. nVidia doesn't have anything at all like that, so no surprise their hardware isn't optimized for it (yet).
I don't think it has a whole lot to do with Open Source anything - Mantle was "open source" (kinda) but it was actually pretty difficult to get your hands on detailed information, and while DX12 is similar and loosely based upon Mantle, it still isn't exactly the same thing. Both AMD and nVidia are actually pretty bad when it comes to supporting Open Source anything at all (look at Linux open source drivers for pretty much any architecture you want to compared to closed source drivers)
Open source doesn't make anything better under any circumstances... Point being that the information is more openly available to developers. In both cases -- AMD and Nvidia -- tools and information are available, one just a bit more available in the short-run... Microsoft will absolutely pay licensing fees to boost the development process. Though paying licensing has to go through more paperwork process, thus slowing down development (maybe even by a couple minutes or hours). AMD already being through that paperwork on both proprietary and open because of their work on the xbox platform.
Privacy is my own, how i deal with my PC is my own, how i use the internet is my own and nobody make money on my private info period. No company will dictate what i should do or do not.
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77 CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now)) MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB PSU:Corsair AX1200i OS:Windows 10 64bit
Privacy is my own, how i deal with my PC is my own, how i use the internet is my own and nobody make money on my private info period. No company will dictate what i should do or do not.
I take it you dont use Twitter, Instagram, you are not on Facebook, you dont use Whatsapp, you dont install any apps on your smartphone (if you have that), and you dont install free software at all?
Also do you have a private phone number, and use multiple fake email accounts when you register somewhere?
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I had kinda taken it for granted. Today, I got sick of one of my perpetual Windows 10 "quirks" -- my primary display is hooked up via DisplayPort, and for some reason, 75% of the time it will get detected as a generic PnP 640x480 monitor when booting up or waking from sleep, and the only way to "fix" it is to unplug the DP cable and plug it back in. That doesn't sound to bad, but in my desk configuration, and the way the DP cable I have has a cable lock on it, it's a huge hassle.
And it was never an issue in Windows 8.1.
So I went to check on my display driver. I had just assumed Windows Update was doing it's thing.
Nope, I'm 3 WHQL revisions behind, Windows hasn't updated my driver since install.
glad to see other people had issues with it. So many games that I actually had playtime on either needed weird workarounds or straight up never worked so I de-leveled(?) my Windows back to W7. Now everything runs. Go figure
As a gamer Dx12 is a huge reason to upgrade especially if you have newer AMD card. R9-290 and R9-290X see huge performance gains with Dx12.
At the moment, we only have a few games using Dx11 even, as yet there is no clue as to how much difference Dx12 will make, or how long it will take before we start seeing games using it. Personally i hope it does improve on Dx11, though whether it will favour one GPU over another, is as yet undetermined, although early indications are that asynchronous compute is hugely supported on AMD GPU's than on Nvidia's GPU's but its still early days and that might well change. But, by the time it becomes a factor, and Dx12 is in everyday useage, those particular cards will probably be severely out of date.
Yeah I have a few other quirks - everything works, just not 100% of the time. I'm holding out for it to get patched into stability right now. If something wasn't working, yeah, I would have dropped back to 8.1 too.
Privacy is my own, how i deal with my PC is my own, how i use the internet is my own and nobody make money on my private info period. No company will dictate what i should do or do not.
I take it you dont use Twitter, Instagram, you are not on Facebook, you dont use Whatsapp, you dont install any apps on your smartphone (if you have that), and you dont install free software at all?
Also do you have a private phone number, and use multiple fake email accounts when you register somewhere?
Have a private unlisted phone number, and multiple email accounts that are used for registering on websites etc, that are entirely seperate to my 'main' email account, this is just the price of maintaining your own 'privacy' in the face of modern technology, i would say anyone who doesn't do at least this much is probably more exposed than they realise.
Yeah, did some work on my buddies W10 computer (that I built for W7 3 years back), he had some issues. Mainly compability ones but he also get a weird error sometimes when he boots and according to the net it is something Ms works on...
The real reason I went to fix it was a small old harddrive that worked badly and slowed the booting though but that is a hardware fault. Still, W10 is buggy and I can't recommend anyone to upgrade just yet. Heck, even Quizz had issues and he is really good.
On the plus side do I still prefer it to W8 and Vista.
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"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
http://developer.amd.com/tools-and-sdks/open-source/
Not too mention a bit of the driver side.
Nvidia will not open source anything. Meaning development teams will have less easy resources during the research phase.
When on a time crunch that research time of development will surely be short. Patches will follow through eventually with more support... And an operating system would be no good if it cannot handle a vast amount of hardware types.
I favor neither side... Plain and simply both flavors do one thing or another better then the other only on particular software. One excels here and one excels there. Operating system side support usually grows continuously, the applications on the other handle take longer or not at all to patch in more support.
AMD could also be favored on the DirectX side because of XBox One using AMD hardware.
To sum it up I'm saying at this moment in time, AMD hardware may be more favored by the new Microsoft because of having an abundance of AMD information and research available to them directly to work with optimizing DirectX 12. Nvidia will follow suit and be on par in a short amount of time there after -- Especially now with a new OS and rendering API -- Through patches and updates.
I would stress that it be due to the Xbox One, with Windows 10 and direct x 12 available to the media system.
More work under the same house of cards.
I don't think it has a whole lot to do with Open Source anything - Mantle was "open source" (kinda) but it was actually pretty difficult to get your hands on detailed information, and while DX12 is similar and loosely based upon Mantle, it still isn't exactly the same thing. Both AMD and nVidia are actually pretty bad when it comes to supporting Open Source anything at all (look at Linux open source drivers for pretty much any architecture you want to compared to closed source drivers)
Privacy is my own, how i deal with my PC is my own, how i use the internet is my own and nobody make money on my private info period. No company will dictate what i should do or do not.
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
Also do you have a private phone number, and use multiple fake email accounts when you register somewhere?
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I had kinda taken it for granted. Today, I got sick of one of my perpetual Windows 10 "quirks" -- my primary display is hooked up via DisplayPort, and for some reason, 75% of the time it will get detected as a generic PnP 640x480 monitor when booting up or waking from sleep, and the only way to "fix" it is to unplug the DP cable and plug it back in. That doesn't sound to bad, but in my desk configuration, and the way the DP cable I have has a cable lock on it, it's a huge hassle.
And it was never an issue in Windows 8.1.
So I went to check on my display driver. I had just assumed Windows Update was doing it's thing.
Nope, I'm 3 WHQL revisions behind, Windows hasn't updated my driver since install.
And also, this thread should never die.
The real reason I went to fix it was a small old harddrive that worked badly and slowed the booting though but that is a hardware fault. Still, W10 is buggy and I can't recommend anyone to upgrade just yet. Heck, even Quizz had issues and he is really good.
On the plus side do I still prefer it to W8 and Vista.