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Star Citizen Employees Speak Out on Project Woes!

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  • fyerwallfyerwall Member UncommonPosts: 3,240
    dsmart said:


    This is the same Sandra Roberts who has a problem verifying even ONE degree.


    Question:

    Have you ever verified your PHDs?

    I ask as I have seen people ask previously but get some other random answer.

    There are 3 types of people in the world.
    1.) Those who make things happen
    2.) Those who watch things happen
    3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"


  • SevenOmaticSevenOmatic Member UncommonPosts: 177
    Well if this was going on there would be some wild videos on you tube of Gardiner and Chris acting hysterical.
  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
    edited October 2015
    @dsmart ;

    Safer than normal Imho- *fingers crossed*

    Then again for a puppy puncher like you it shall never be safe.-

    On topic though- The CR response was pure gold. seemed to be all about you and some manic ranting which served more to provide talking points to the crowd but to also reinforce the whole "its us against them- And they're evil"....And Derek Smart... And also Derek Smart...

    I noticed there was a little accusation about you on there (among many) that a certain friend of his was spewing  on facebook and promptly removed it for potential liability. It seems no topic is off limits regardless of relevance or truthfulness as long as it points the crowd in your direction.

    hey  man, wipe that shit eating grin off your face- I know its hard but...Nevermind, you deserve it. Vindication is happening faster than I thought possible. Going to be an interesting next few months.

    /salute

    EDIT- Also, thanks man. Even the ones hating you right now (at least some) will be thanking you down the road.

  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827
    laxie said:
    jonp200 said:
    They will "care" if enough people complain.  They won't want to been seen not addressing the situation.  That's my point.  This will make a big enough stink that it will force action.
    What action is there though?

    Let's imagine (not saying this is the case with SC) you pledge for a game and nothing is delivered. The money gets spent, meaning you can't be refunded anymore. The company says they tried to deliver - and there is currently no legal obligation in the Kickstarter terms that would guaratnee you compensation.

    It seems to me the only viable action is creating legislation protecting future crowdfunding donators?
    What you just defined is a ponzei scheme, not saying thats whats happening, but it wouldnt require new legislation if it plays out as you defined.  in those case assests are seized (even in some cases assets not directly linked to the scheme) and distributed to whatever victim class the feds define.

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  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    dsmart said:
    I just popped in here to see if it's safe to post again.

    In other news, Chris Roberts has blatantly lied - on the record .

    "The icing on the cake is that she has five degrees and speaks five languages, which I am willing to bet makes her a lot more qualified than Derek Smart is!"

    This is the same Sandra Roberts who has a problem verifying even ONE degree.

    Ortwin, Chris' attorney (he is a media attorney) partner, is a shyster. Aside from that, no attorney would have let Chris post that rant given the serious liability issues he just exposed the company and project to. But then again, I think he knows by now that it's all going to crash anyway; so what does it matter. Go for broke.

    It also hurts him more than it hurts me or Lizz. And he pretty much proved to people that his arrogance and temper are exactly as have been portrayed.

    Oh, he mentions me 20 times. Lizz? 1. Even though the article had NOTHING to do with me. Nothing at all. He just blames me for this whole mess. Then tried to drag #gamergate into it by trying to tie me and Lizzy to the movement. Dick move.

    Oh, I wrote a thing:

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sniqej

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sniu35

    Bonus:

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/14727-The-Escapist-Explains-Its-Star-Citizen-Sources-Vetting-and-Respo

    http://www.tentonhammer.com/columns/respawn/star-citizens-latest-conflict-ex-employee-dissension-and-roberts-intervention

    This project is FUBAR. Anyone who has money in it, will lose it. If you haven't already started asking for a refund, you only have yourself to blame.

    I give them 90 days before it all collapses. 90 days. Fav this post.
    I see less than 90 but we will see. Just thanks for all you have done and what you have gone thru to get to the truth. I know it will not happen but everyone of these guys that have attacked you need to apologize for what they have said to you or made you look like some fraud.

    Thanks and i at least understand you were also trying to save crowdfunding/kickstarter, just sad it may have been too late.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=70&v=qMhykRKug-4

    ^^This guy really explains the whole thing good enough that the fanboy's may actually understand how it is a scam.

    I'm not perfect but I'm always myself!

    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    dsmart said:
    I took the time to follow your link to the TenTonHammer piece I hadn't seen yet. This little bit from it is worth highlighting:

    "Meanwhile, The Escapist article mirrors the many emails I’ve been receiving for years about work conditions at CIG, which I believe is also where much of Derek Smart’s rhetoric has been coming from – since I’m sure the same people have spoken to him as well.

    Interestingly enough, this results in Chris Roberts blaming a lot of it on Derek Smart, but I can easily attest that the emails about work conditions and that rhetoric have been around awhile."



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    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
    edited October 2015
    Iselin said:
    dsmart said:
    I took the time to follow your link to the TenTonHammer piece I hadn't seen yet. This little bit from it is worth highlighting:

    "Meanwhile, The Escapist article mirrors the many emails I’ve been receiving for years about work conditions at CIG, which I believe is also where much of Derek Smart’s rhetoric has been coming from – since I’m sure the same people have spoken to him as well.

    Interestingly enough, this results in Chris Roberts blaming a lot of it on Derek Smart, but I can easily attest that the emails about work conditions and that rhetoric have been around awhile."



    Y'know thats another thing that burns me.

    This is the fourth time ive heard that printed in the last 24 hours now and MANY people have been aware of these rumors.

    KOTAKU 'Journalists' even admitted this but said they wouldnt print it because "drama blah blah blah"

    Yet they sure as hell helped the SC hype train by running articles about records breaking, new ship sales and bestest game ever- They didnt investigate, withheld the information and then helped SC to  crowdfund even more money from their userbase. Now they have the balls to come out and admit they've known this all along- yet for years were part of the hype train that made this project into what it is.

    Now, if I owned a website or gaming publication I would tread very carefully as to what side of History you want to be on now. Go down with this ship, and those hype reports WILL be thrown in your face everytime you try to hype something else (I promise) . You're either  no better than an advertiser or nintendo power magazine- Or you understand we are now in an industry bigger than hollywood asking YOUR readers to fund this shit. That some of this(alot of this) bullshit rests squarely on your shoulders.

    The wheat is being separated from the chaff right now and this will effect the future for gaming websites and the gaming press forevermore. This will ripple across the lake in ways that I cannot even imagine, but ripple it will.

    EDIT- I have had my issues (many) with mmorpg.com (sure the feelings mutual, lolz) and my feelings are torn- However, I give YOU GUYS major props for interviewing Derek Smart the other month . My rant wasnt directed at you.
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    Iselin said:
    Rest assured, they already are. The latest ones are:
    • Why didn't they visit the offices before writing the piece (as if that PR junket will bear any fruit. Imagine your boss leading a journalist around your workplace. They come to your office and ask "So how do you like working here?"... "Love it! Best workplace in the world")
    • ...

    If the allegations made by the 7 former employees are true, it should be very easy to spot the stressed and nervous employees scuttling around furtively and fleeing at the first sign of an approaching CR...


    Not really. I've been on both sides of that fence. When the journalist comes around, employees either want to look busy or want to look like rockstars. The journalists usually are there to speak to specific people (often on specific topics), so it's not like they are wandering the office asking anything of everyone. 

    It's funny because you can tell the difference between the offices - and even individual stations - where people actually have fun and the ones where stuff is just set up to give the vibe "hey, look, we have fun!"

    That said, after you've been on enough office tours, you can usually tell which is which, so an experienced journalist will probably be able to see through the smoke screen if there is one. 


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  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939

    Funny we haven't heard from certain posters that said CR was such a saint. Seems like it finally sunk in they were wrong about it all.

    I would think they owe some of us an apology for what they said to us. Personally I hold no ill will toward them but they should make some small statement.

    I'm not perfect but I'm always myself!

    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • dsmartdsmart Member UncommonPosts: 386
    Jacxolope said:
    Iselin said:
    dsmart said:
    I took the time to follow your link to the TenTonHammer piece I hadn't seen yet. This little bit from it is worth highlighting:

    "Meanwhile, The Escapist article mirrors the many emails I’ve been receiving for years about work conditions at CIG, which I believe is also where much of Derek Smart’s rhetoric has been coming from – since I’m sure the same people have spoken to him as well.

    Interestingly enough, this results in Chris Roberts blaming a lot of it on Derek Smart, but I can easily attest that the emails about work conditions and that rhetoric have been around awhile."



    Y'know thats another thing that burns me.

    This is the fourth time ive heard that printed in the last 24 hours now and MANY people have been aware of these rumors.

    KOTAKU 'Journalists' even admitted this but said they wouldnt print it because "drama blah blah blah"

    Yet they sure as hell helped the SC hype train by running articles about records breaking, new ship sales and bestest game ever- They didnt investigate, withheld the information and then helped SC to  crowdfund even more money from their userbase. Now they have the balls to come out and admit they've known this all along- yet for years were part of the hype train that made this project into what it is.

    Now, if I owned a website or gaming publication I would tread very carefully as to what side of History you want to be on now. Go down with this ship, and those hype reports WILL be thrown in your face everytime you try to hype something else (I promise) . You're either  no better than an advertiser or nintendo power magazine- Or you understand we are now in an industry bigger than hollywood asking YOUR readers to fund this shit. That some of this(alot of this) bullshit rests squarely on your shoulders.

    The wheat is being separated from the chaff right now and this will effect the future for gaming websites and the gaming press forevermore. This will ripple across the lake in ways that I cannot even imagine, but ripple it will.

    EDIT- I have had my issues (many) with mmorpg.com (sure the feelings mutual, lolz) and my feelings are torn- However, I give YOU GUYS major props for interviewing Derek Smart the other month . My rant wasnt directed at you.
    ^nailed it.

    Which is why I have said that Lizz - a woman in media - was incredibly brave to run with this story. If you haven't watched it yet, go take a look as she explains how she came about the story, and why she ran with it. It all started with my blogs. The SAME blogs that EVERY media outlet has been reading and reporting on since July.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escapist-podcast/57500-Crowdfunding-Podcast

    Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
    If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
    ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.

  • Axllow18Axllow18 Member UncommonPosts: 400
    Dear tapdancing jesus this entire thing has become the most amazing drama on the internet. I must thank Mr. Smart; I thought he was terrible at making entertaining games all this time...

    But it turns out 'Flame Wars 2: Return of the PHD' has been the greatest game I've played to date.
  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
    edited October 2015
    Brenics said:

    Funny we haven't heard from certain posters that said CR was such a saint. Seems like it finally sunk in they were wrong about it all.

    I would think they owe some of us an apology for what they said to us. Personally I hold no ill will toward them but they should make some small statement.

    Wishful thinking lol-

    Some of them have certain...Agendas- And will back regardless with talking points thought up by professionals lol- Others have a financial and emotional attachment and will be back although with a nagging feeling in the back of their head- Some will double down and really believe the "us against them" mantra...Some though, are starting to see.

    As more unfolds the number seeing the problems will grow.

    Already the tide is turning and we are just getting started. So much to come... Very 'Smart' people on both sides, but one side is advancing right now while the other is losing ground. An animal is most dangerous when its cornered. I imagine a tough and dirty fight is just getting started.

    Nobody owes an apology though unless they misrepresented themselves or knowingly lied- And we wont get that apology. If it turns out i'm dead wrong on everything I would apologize but I dont think I 'have to' I'm doing whats in my heart- I think thats what everyone is doing regardless of position. Its being able to see when you're wrong and admit it to yourself that really counts.

  • dsmartdsmart Member UncommonPosts: 386
    edited October 2015

    fyerwall said:
    dsmart said:


    This is the same Sandra Roberts who has a problem verifying even ONE degree.


    Question:

    Have you ever verified your PHDs?

    I ask as I have seen people ask previously but get some other random answer.
    There is no random answer. There is nothing to verify to anyone. The person who tried that - without any plausible reason - found out in court that not everything you read on the Internet is true. If I come to you for a job, and I present to you my resume, feel free to check my references and my academic credentials.

    As I've stated for the public record (because I knew that once this SC issue goes to court that's the first thing they will attack. Like they have done in their legal letters, Chris's rant etc) I have two. Not one, two.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2015/07/the-gaming-urban-legend/

    And there is a reason why Chris didn't go there in his rant. Nor did Ortwin in his letter. Had they even attempted it, they'd just increase their liability. I think they probably know (maybe from past legal action, I dunno) this, and don't want to give me any easy win.

    And legal pointed out to me today that Chris's comment about Sandra having five degrees, definitely sounds like hyperbole because he knew that he couldn't directly state anything about my degrees without running into trouble, but he couldn't let an easy jab slip past.

    Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
    If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
    ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.

  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827
    Mr. Smart(if that's the incorrect title I apologize),  While I am appreciative of the consumer awareness/concern this whole drama has, is, and likely will continue to promote...I must admit I find many of your tactics....distasteful.  Take that how you wish or ignore the sentiment.

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  • fyerwallfyerwall Member UncommonPosts: 3,240
    dsmart said:

    fyerwall said:
    dsmart said:


    This is the same Sandra Roberts who has a problem verifying even ONE degree.


    Question:

    Have you ever verified your PHDs?

    I ask as I have seen people ask previously but get some other random answer.
    There is no random answer. There is nothing to verify to anyone. The person who tried that - without any plausible reason - found out in court that not everything you read on the Internet is true. If I come to you for a job, and I present to you my resume, feel free to check my references and my academic credentials.

    As I've stated for the public record (because I knew that once this SC issue goes to court that's the first thing they will attack. Like they have done in their legal letters, Chris's rant etc) I have two. Not one, two.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2015/07/the-gaming-urban-legend/

    And there is a reason why Chris didn't go there in his rant. Nor did Ortwin in his letter. Had they even attempted it, they'd just increase their liability. I think they probably know (maybe from past legal action, I dunno) this, and don't want to give me any easy win.

    And legal pointed out to me today that Chris's comment about Sandra having five degrees, definitely sounds like hyperbole because he knew that he couldn't directly state anything about my degrees without running into trouble, but he couldn't let an easy jab slip past.
    Comp Sci and Math - not bad at all.

    I would never be able to get anywhere close in math - I suffer from math induced narcolepsy.

    I take it from that link you went to school abroad?

    There are 3 types of people in the world.
    1.) Those who make things happen
    2.) Those who watch things happen
    3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"


  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    dsmart said:

    ..... I give them 90 days before it all collapses. 90 days. Fav this post.

    I hope you're wrong because if it turns out you're right that means everyone is going to be listening to you gloat for who knows how long.  And your part in all of this is truly repugnant.  Hell, it's even worse than one of your games and that's saying a lot:

    http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=3000AD


    He brought malfeasance to light.  What is so repugnant about that?  Speaking of repugnant, what say you about a company that, if Smart's prediction comes to fruition in 90 days, will go down in gaming history as the gaming company that scammed nearly one million people out of nearly 100 MILLION dollars.  I find it interesting that you would have a problem against Smart for having brought this scam to the surface, and no animosity at all toward a company that ripped off so many people off of their hard earned money.
  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
    dsmart said:

    ..... I give them 90 days before it all collapses. 90 days. Fav this post.

    I hope you're wrong because if it turns out you're right that means everyone is going to be listening to you gloat for who knows how long.  And your part in all of this is truly repugnant.  Hell, it's even worse than one of your games and that's saying a lot:

    http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=3000AD

    Hes right.

    And has a right to do some gloating (even now)- After the shit thats been hurled his way just in the past few months because he staked everything on this with little to gain and a ton to lose.
  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    dsmart said:

    ..... I give them 90 days before it all collapses. 90 days. Fav this post.

    I hope you're wrong because if it turns out you're right that means everyone is going to be listening to you gloat for who knows how long.  And your part in all of this is truly repugnant.  Hell, it's even worse than one of your games and that's saying a lot:

    http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=3000AD


    He brought malfeasance to light.  What is so repugnant about that?  Speaking of repugnant, what say you about a company that, if Smart's prediction comes to fruition in 90 days, will go down in gaming history as the gaming company that scammed nearly one million people out of nearly 100 MILLION dollars.  I find it interesting that you would have a problem against Smart for having brought this scam to the surface, and no animosity at all toward a company that ripped off so many people off of their hard earned money.
    Thank you I was going to respond but you said it a lot better than I could and also saved me a warning.
    I'm not perfect but I'm always myself!

    Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event


    4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.

    http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

    Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Jacxolope said:


    I hope you're wrong because if it turns out you're right that means everyone is going to be listening to you gloat for who knows how long.  And your part in all of this is truly repugnant.  Hell, it's even worse than one of your games and that's saying a lot:

    http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=3000AD

    Hes right.

    And has a right to do some gloating (even now)- After the shit thats been hurled his way just in the past few months because he staked everything on this with little to gain and a ton to lose.
    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827
    Brenics said:
    dsmart said:

    ..... I give them 90 days before it all collapses. 90 days. Fav this post.

    I hope you're wrong because if it turns out you're right that means everyone is going to be listening to you gloat for who knows how long.  And your part in all of this is truly repugnant.  Hell, it's even worse than one of your games and that's saying a lot:

    http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=3000AD


    He brought malfeasance to light.  What is so repugnant about that?  Speaking of repugnant, what say you about a company that, if Smart's prediction comes to fruition in 90 days, will go down in gaming history as the gaming company that scammed nearly one million people out of nearly 100 MILLION dollars.  I find it interesting that you would have a problem against Smart for having brought this scam to the surface, and no animosity at all toward a company that ripped off so many people off of their hard earned money.
    Thank you I was going to respond but you said it a lot better than I could and also saved me a warning.

    I don't think the what bothers so much(I find it somewhat admirable really) it's the how that people are un comfortable with.

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  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:


    I hope you're wrong because if it turns out you're right that means everyone is going to be listening to you gloat for who knows how long.  And your part in all of this is truly repugnant.  Hell, it's even worse than one of your games and that's saying a lot:

    http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=3000AD

    Hes right.

    And has a right to do some gloating (even now)- After the shit thats been hurled his way just in the past few months because he staked everything on this with little to gain and a ton to lose.
    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:

    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
    ALl I can say is have fun with that, as far as games go they're about as polished as dark and light.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:

    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
    ALl I can say is have fun with that, as far as games go they're about as polished as dark and light.
    Then he can consider it a tip for having the balls to stand up and take the lead when nobody would touch this.
  • firefly2003firefly2003 Member UncommonPosts: 2,527
    Warley said:
    Sandi "wrote the marketing plan..." for Star Citizen which has led to the 90 million....

    Shit, that blows the idea that she is unqualified as VP of Marketing... she practically earned that position...

    Gloves came off and I think this should be the knockout blow to Derek Smart and the idiots that follow him. 
    She earned the position cause she is his wife nothing more. Plus that boob job she got cost money had to come from somewhere also, wonder where they got the money from? ;)

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:
    Jacxolope said:
    Distopia said:

    What do you mean he has little to gain? A chief competitor to his products will be gone, and likely out of business for good if any of this is true. His name will be every where, in turn his image some what heightened. Little to gain?...
    Y'know what- I disagree (for reasons I wont get into) but as soon as tomorrow rolls on I'm going to buy his game and print the receipt here . Y'know why? Because you reminded me that I havnt done that yet.

    -He deserves it and itll be a much better "investment/donation/fire place throw" of my money than a $900 SC ship .

    So yeah- heres hoping he sells some games (that exist)
    ALl I can say is have fun with that, as far as games go they're about as polished as dark and light.
    Then he can consider it a tip for having the balls to stand up and take the lead when nobody would touch this.
    With all due respect...What balls did it take to talk to some folks and write a blog? He himself admits that's the extent of his contribution.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


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