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RasiemRasiem Member UncommonPosts: 318
in Elder Scrolls Online
  Hey all I was wondering from a programming perspective what is stopping them from having housing like they did in Asheron's Call. I mean is apartment style housing thats instanced with a mix of open world housing in certain locations really that hard to do I mean even Archage pulled it off. My image of housing in ESO would be to have Little Neighborhoods scattered throughout the game and apartment style homes that were instanced in Main cities. Maybe even buggies or a tent system where you could post up in certain areas just to feel like your were more a part of the world because this is really where ESO fails to me. Also for being Elder Scrolls it feels like a major part of the overall immersion this title offers is just missing.
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  • NomadMorlockNomadMorlock Member UncommonPosts: 815
    Housing is in the works. Currently being designed. No official info released beyond this. 
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  • RasiemRasiem Member UncommonPosts: 318
    Ya I read the same I wish they could release the direction they were going with it though. 
  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    edited October 2015
    It's almost certainly going to be instanced.  The time to make non-instanced housing was when they were designing the cities/countryside.

    Edit: Maybe they'll prove me wrong, owning a house in some of the cities would be bad-ass I just don't see them going for it as instanced housing is so much easier.
  • RasiemRasiem Member UncommonPosts: 318
    Ya I dont really see the m doing instanced housing only because thats not very Elder Scrolls and I think a lot of people will be pissed off lol but it would be the easier option.
  • nesteanestea Member UncommonPosts: 30
    I hope it would be a Asheron's Call style housing, or maybe even Wildstar / FFXIV style housing.

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  • RasiemRasiem Member UncommonPosts: 318
    They said they wanted to do it right thats why it wasnt in release but I hope that dosent bite them in the ass because of it not being in the original design. With the way they do phasing I honestly dont see a housing system similar to archage being a problem. You walk in to the neighborhood and you phase in to that area but it could be a persistant event.
  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Rasiem said:
    Ya I dont really see the m doing instanced housing only because thats not very Elder Scrolls and I think a lot of people will be pissed off lol but it would be the easier option.
    When was the last major MMO to do non-instanced housing?   ESO from the start has been a triangulation between MMOs and Elder Scrolls.  I'm skeptical of the idea that they'll do something no major MMO has done in a decade to try and deliver the full Elder Scrolls experience.  However, if they prove me wrong, props to them.
  • RasiemRasiem Member UncommonPosts: 318
    They better do something different....
  • DreycraftDreycraft Member UncommonPosts: 107
    So tired of instanced housing in mmos, this housing system just never does it for me and is always immersion breaking. ESO has the best immersion I've seen in the genre in a while and doing it this way is the wrong choice. But I'm a realist and I know this is what we're going to get, I would kill to have neighborhoods with houses and apartments in all the major cities for the poorer players. If I remember correctly the last time I saw housing like this was in EQ II, but it was there at launch. To do non instanced housing after your game world is already completed sounds like waaay too big of a project. Still can't wait to see what they've come up with.
  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Dreycraft said:
    So tired of instanced housing in mmos, this housing system just never does it for me and is always immersion breaking. ESO has the best immersion I've seen in the genre in a while and doing it this way is the wrong choice. But I'm a realist and I know this is what we're going to get, I would kill to have neighborhoods with houses and apartments in all the major cities for the poorer players. If I remember correctly the last time I saw housing like this was in EQ II, but it was there at launch. To do non instanced housing after your game world is already completed sounds like waaay too big of a project. Still can't wait to see what they've come up with.
    All non instanced housing i have seen so far, wasnt that great, in UO it ruined most of the world, in Vanguard the towns where allways abandoned..

    nah, instanced housing in zones like in Lotro is the way to go... Combine housing zones with social activities ans you are all set

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Rasiem said:
    Ya I read the same I wish they could release the direction they were going with it though. 
    They never really flesh out details of anything they're working on, other than just to mention that they are, until it's close to being a reality. They have been consistent with doing it that way since the game released.
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited October 2015
    It - obviously - has to be instanced in some way. 1k, 10k, 100k, 500k, 1M non-instanced houses? It's a mega-server; so it has to be "instanced".

    However with - and I am going to say phasing rather than instancing to nuance the idea - there is no reason why it couldn't be Skyrim style housing: empty buildings in towns and cities that you buy. There could even be some of the build your own plots as well. 
  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    It doesn't have to be anything earth shatteringly different, but something non instanced would be nice.

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  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
    There's pretty minimal chance of it not being instanced. The furthers possibility ESO will reach with the way it's been built is by giving housing its's own space that you zone into akin to how DAoC did it.

    Good probability that it will end up similar to how GTA Online did it with the homes having a tangible location, but an instanced interior.

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  • azurreiazurrei Member UncommonPosts: 332
    edited October 2015
    nestea said:
    I hope it would be a Asheron's Call style housing, or maybe even Wildstar / FFXIV style housing.
    ?? do you mean Wildstar OR FF14? Because they couldn't be more different from each other...
  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    However they do it, it should have some mechanism to protect and to break in.  I think it would be in keeping with the justice/stealing system.

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  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    It will probably be like EQ2. People still play EQ2 JUST to keep decorating their home. The best way to go about it IMO.
  • makasouleater69makasouleater69 Member UncommonPosts: 1,096
    Rasiem said:
    Ya I dont really see the m doing instanced housing only because thats not very Elder Scrolls and I think a lot of people will be pissed off lol but it would be the easier option.
    Since when has anything thing, they have done = elder scrolls. It is tab target to start, yes pointing your mouse at a target to highlight it is slightly different, but it is tab target. The arrows are on a pre flight path along with everything else. They changed the story line, to some  non sense to fit their weird pvp. They made werewolves and vampires, basically retarded with every one running around as them. No dark brotherhood, or thieves guild. There is absolutely nothing elder scrolls about this game, except names. 

    The houses if they ever do it, will 1000 percent be instanced. 
  • makasouleater69makasouleater69 Member UncommonPosts: 1,096

    mgilbrtsn said:
    However they do it, it should have some mechanism to protect and to break in.  I think it would be in keeping with the justice/stealing system.
    Lol man, they haven't even added the pvp part to that system, and you think they will add it to housing? The current justice system, is about as useless as skyrims before mods, but even worse. At least in skyrim you went to jail. In this you just run away. Not to mention you cant kill the guards.......................................................................................
  • Charlie.CheswickCharlie.Cheswick Member UncommonPosts: 469
    mgilbrtsn said:
    However they do it, it should have some mechanism to protect and to break in.  I think it would be in keeping with the justice/stealing system.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    Lord.Bachus said:
    Dreycraft said:
    So tired of instanced housing in mmos, this housing system just never does it for me and is always immersion breaking. ESO has the best immersion I've seen in the genre in a while and doing it this way is the wrong choice. But I'm a realist and I know this is what we're going to get, I would kill to have neighborhoods with houses and apartments in all the major cities for the poorer players. If I remember correctly the last time I saw housing like this was in EQ II, but it was there at launch. To do non instanced housing after your game world is already completed sounds like waaay too big of a project. Still can't wait to see what they've come up with.
    All non instanced housing i have seen so far, wasnt that great, in UO it ruined most of the world, in Vanguard the towns where allways abandoned..

    nah, instanced housing in zones like in Lotro is the way to go... Combine housing zones with social activities ans you are all set
    I would say that was an issue with execution more than anything else.

    Why not have open world housing that requires the player to engage with the house/town/city? Maybe they don't live there but rent it out. Even to NPC's? Possibly traveling through. Players can run small bed and breakfasts if they want or run stores/shops out of their houses if it's licensed for it. Maybe if they live in a town there are dangers that affect that town and they have to deal with them?

    Or, if people abandon the property then it starts becoming dilapidated and falls to disrepair. 

    And then the town fines them.

    Then again, this is more about mmo as world as opposed to mmo as game.

    My thought is that so many people want housing but they don't know what to do with it once they have it because there's very little they can do with it. That's why LOTRO housing was a bit of a failure in my eyes. 

    the idea of housing is to make your character have some greater sense of belonging to the world. Not just thousands of people who park their character anywhere and log out.


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  • rodingorodingo Member RarePosts: 2,870
    Lord.Bachus said:
    Dreycraft said:
    So tired of instanced housing in mmos, this housing system just never does it for me and is always immersion breaking. ESO has the best immersion I've seen in the genre in a while and doing it this way is the wrong choice. But I'm a realist and I know this is what we're going to get, I would kill to have neighborhoods with houses and apartments in all the major cities for the poorer players. If I remember correctly the last time I saw housing like this was in EQ II, but it was there at launch. To do non instanced housing after your game world is already completed sounds like waaay too big of a project. Still can't wait to see what they've come up with.
    All non instanced housing i have seen so far, wasnt that great, in UO it ruined most of the world, in Vanguard the towns where allways abandoned..

    nah, instanced housing in zones like in Lotro is the way to go... Combine housing zones with social activities ans you are all set
    Yeh I agree. Non instanced housing killed SWG somewhat for me.  In that game Tatooine turned into a suburb. It was ridiculous. Like you said, I think Lotro's housing system of instanced neighborhoods would serve them well for ESO with very little impact on their existing world design.  Of course, I'm not a game designer, so meh. 

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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited October 2015
    WTF were you thinking with this non-instanced housing Zenimax . You realise how long it takes me to walk to house number 987,854.
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    reeereee said:
    It's almost certainly going to be instanced.  The time to make non-instanced housing was when they were designing the cities/countryside.

    Edit: Maybe they'll prove me wrong, owning a house in some of the cities would be bad-ass I just don't see them going for it as instanced housing is so much easier.

    They could try what Black Desert is doing in that all for-sale buildings existing in the world are able to be purchased by players.  With them then being broken down through phasing, so that hundreds could own the same house and it will just phase to their version (and allow anyone to pick what version they want to see).
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  • RasiemRasiem Member UncommonPosts: 318
    edited October 2015
    I would think they could have neighborhoods that phase in and out just like quests do. And only have the players who have houses in that neighborhood  be the only ones who can see each other. What revival Online is doing is brilliant there even making it so you can have a storefront on your house and live upstairs but the houses are purchased with RL cash but done right and with purpose I dont really see a problem in that.
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