Star Citizen | Death of a Salesman | MMORPG

SBFord · October 2015

Star Citizen | Death of a Salesman | MMORPG

The drama surrounding Star Citizen continues and spins even more wildly as cease and desist letters fly. Red Thomas breaks a long hiatus from writing about the game to chime in.

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n3v3rriv3r · October 2015

.. and the pandora's box is open.
I am often told that you can buy everything with money. Well sadly you cannot buy a change of character even with 90 mil ... and sometimes ego can be the most expensive thing in the world.

forcelima · October 2015

In before mmorpg get a c&d letter. Also in before warly and el(can't remember his name) come to fix this writer's "misinformation".

bartoni33 · October 2015

Wow great article. IMHO maybe the best thought out one I have read on this site. Certainly the best one pertaining to SC. As a backer (less than $100 invested; I'm not crazy) I agree with almost everything in the OP. I'm still willing to wait before calling for legal action. I feel that CR has taken DS and others "trolling" to heart, causing him to act unprofessionally. Bringing family into a business discussion is not cool. CR being CR, I don't see him stepping down at all.

JeroKane · October 2015

forcelima said:

In before mmorpg get a c&d letter. Also in before warly and el(can't remember his name) come to fix this writer's "misinformation".

Actually, this blog post is well thought out and written very constructively.
Other than that clown of Derek Smart (who is the biggest con artist himself in gaming industry) who has an axe to grind with everyone besides himself he does not like, because they are more successful than him.
I am not saying that I agree with everything that is written here (as it's still all rumours with no hard evidence), but he does bring up valid points and anyone that isn't totally blind can see there are issues.

Unlike Derek Smart, who's sole agenda is to destroy Chris Roberts and burn it's company to the ground and promote his own shambles of a game Line of Defense, from which he has taken people's money for over a year now, still broken as hell and gets away with, because he keeps it in "Early Access" on Steam!

bartoni33 · October 2015

JeroKane said:

forcelima said:

In before mmorpg get a c&d letter. Also in before warly and el(can't remember his name) come to fix this writer's "misinformation".

Actually, this blog post is well thought out and written and makes more sense. Other than that clown of Derek Smart (who is the biggest con artist himself in gaming industry) who has an axe to grind with everyone besides himself he does not like, because they are more successful than him.

Yeah I can't see anyone calling the OP "misinformation". Pretty much spot on.

forcelima · October 2015

@JeroKane sorry I should expressed that was being sarcastic.

bartoni33 · October 2015

forcelima said:

@JeroKane sorry I should expressed that was being sarcastic.

It was pretty clear that was the intent.

I'm interested myself how Erilion will respond. I honestly think he is not a dyed-in-the-wool fanboy myself, just VERY invested (monetarily or emotionally) in SC. I'm sure he can see the faults in the development aspects of SC.

CrazKanuk · October 2015

I totally agree with regards to getting Squadron 42 out the door. I think that CR took the right steps in creating something modular, but something substantial needs to be published, even if just Act 1. Otherwise, why not? Are there serious dependency issues that simply cancel out any positives given for modular design? Who knows. S42 would be a big boon for them, though, if they can push it out in the next 6 months. At least give a release date for the module.

JeroKane · October 2015

I know. I have just a habbit of Quoting. :P

bartoni33 · October 2015

CrazKanuk said:

I totally agree with regards to getting Squadron 42 out the door. I think that CR took the right steps in creating something modular, but something substantial needs to be published, even if just Act 1. Otherwise, why not? Are there serious dependency issues that simply cancel out any positives given for modular design? Who knows. S42 would be a big boon for them, though, if they can push it out in the next 6 months. At least give a release date for the module.

From what I understand, S42 is nowhere near ready to be released. They can't even get the FPS aspect right, much less integrate it into the DFM.

bartoni33 · October 2015

JeroKane said:

I know. I have just a habbit of Quoting. :P

But.... you forgot the quote you were quoting...

Brenics · October 2015

Thank You finally a well written right to the point article. I really do hope CR reads this and he does step down and both him and his wife go on vacation (with their own money) and his brother comes in and fixes it.

Thank you again Mr. Thomas for bring a very calm and intelligent voice to the party. Now we have to see if anyone in SC listens.

Oh and thanks for only bring up DS one time. It isn't all about him. :-D

Red_Thomas · October 2015

CrazKanuk said:

I totally agree with regards to getting Squadron 42 out the door. I think that CR took the right steps in creating something modular, but something substantial needs to be published, even if just Act 1. Otherwise, why not? Are there serious dependency issues that simply cancel out any positives given for modular design? Who knows. S42 would be a big boon for them, though, if they can push it out in the next 6 months. At least give a release date for the module.

Actually, I don't think the modular design was a Chris-idea. I've heard from multiple folks that it originated with Eric Peterson.

n3v3rriv3r · October 2015

Brenics said:

Thank You finally a well written right to the point article. I really do hope CR reads this and he does step down and both him and his wife go on vacation (with their own money) and his brother comes in and fixes it.
Thank you again Mr. Thomas for bring a very calm and intelligent voice to the party. Now we have to see if anyone in SC listens.
Oh and thanks for only bring up DS one time. It isn't all about him. :-D

Everything is always about DS. This guy is the best self promoter in gaming industry.

Foncl · October 2015

I haven't followed the development of Star Citizen closely but this was an interesting read. If Star Citizen flops it'll be bad news for potential future crowdfunded MMO's

I've never been a fan of the kickstarter model of crowdfunding personally, I feel that backers should get far more in return if a backed game turns out to be successful. If you fund a game with gifts from fans you have a big moral resonsibility to be open about how things are going, even if it's not always good news.

GeezerGamer · October 2015

By "well written" we mean "carefully written" That is because we still don't have enough facts on the matter yet.

Lobotomist · October 2015

All I can say is that I requested Refund.
And for weeks now i am waiting still waiting for answer...

thundercles · October 2015

If CR steps down it's over. Come on folks. Let's say it's 100% true he's not going to just say, "whelp, I'm out." Who would take over? Erin Roberts, Nope, if they are relaly such "bad guys" wouldn't you think Erin would be "in" on it being CR's brother? Sandi would be gone too. I really think we're going to get either 2 outcomes.

1. Roberts quits and SC is over. DS will be the new god of haters even though his games suck.
2. SC releases without all the promises that were made in development. Which is what 99% of developers do now a days, but all the people who are anti-SC, still will say look look we were right. Slowly it will turn into what he said it was going to be over the next 5-8 years. DS will pick another game to hate on and his games will still suck and he will do the same stuff he hates on other people for. (take long time to develop, release buggy messes, charge for unfinished products)
P.S. Before someone calls me a fanboi. I think all sides are being shady or have made mistakes they won't own. I don't think any side is being honest and forthcoming with all the important details. I am on no ones side. ...well I am on the "DS is crazy" team. Srsly. Cray cray.

Sorry I still don't understand how formatting works with the new forums.

bartoni33 · October 2015

GeezerGamer said:

By "well written" we mean "carefully written" That is because we still don't have enough facts on the matter yet.

As far as the DS shite and the Escapist piece you are correct. But everything else mentioned in the article is spot on.

Winterstone · October 2015

Awesome article. I feel people that are siding with CIG are being blinded by some rational I don't understand. Hope maybe?

Vesavius · October 2015

ok, I have been a bit AWOL from the MMORPG scene recently... Can anyone give me a bullet condensed idea of what's happening here with SC? The last thing I read about them was Smart's attempt at bringing them to account. Thanks in advance if someone takes the time.

sgel · October 2015

Lobotomist said:

All I can say is that I requested Refund.
And for weeks now i am waiting still waiting for answer...

You should be given a refund. Maybe ask again. There's been people I know who have recently all requested a refund and they were given back their money.

sgel · October 2015

Foncl said:

I haven't followed the development of Star Citizen closely but this was an interesting read. If Star Citizen flops it'll be bad news for potential future crowdfunded MMO's

I've never been a fan of the kickstarter model of crowdfunding personally, I feel that backers should get far more in return if a backed game turns out to be successful. If you fund a game with gifts from fans you have a big moral resonsibility to be open about how things are going, even if it's not always good news.

Most kickstarter games deliver. There's been some really successful ones out there. You shouldn't confuse the SC management fiasco with all crowdfunded games.

pmaura · October 2015

only thing people like better then a sucess story is watch people burn. Sad world we live in.

Leviathan64 · October 2015

sgel said:

Foncl said:

I haven't followed the development of Star Citizen closely but this was an interesting read. If Star Citizen flops it'll be bad news for potential future crowdfunded MMO's

I've never been a fan of the kickstarter model of crowdfunding personally, I feel that backers should get far more in return if a backed game turns out to be successful. If you fund a game with gifts from fans you have a big moral resonsibility to be open about how things are going, even if it's not always good news.

Most kickstarter games deliver. There's been some really successful ones out there. You shouldn't confuse the SC management fiasco with all crowdfunded games.

You're right, but the longer this goes on the less likely people are to see things that way. if things keep going on their present trajectory, at best people will be disappointed, at worst, they'll feel they were robbed. A lot of games that deserve to see daylight won't get the chance if every time someone shows an up and coming project to a fellow gamer the response is, "I'd like to donate, but remember SC? I'm going to wait until it's feature complete, then we'll talk". More transparency throughout the development process is probably the only way to solve this problem, but it creates a host of new ones. Either way it's clear that this is going to have an impact on crowd funding regardless of whether it is fair or not.

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