Now if CIG can prove it was all a lie then that is a whole different ball game. But so far we have seen nothing from CIG in taking this to court. So in reality CIG is saying in their silence it is true.
After everything CR said in his letter and what his lawyer said I really expected there to be something filed by now.
Actually all silence says is it just isn't worth the trouble.
Now if CIG can prove it was all a lie then that is a whole different ball game. But so far we have seen nothing from CIG in taking this to court. So in reality CIG is saying in their silence it is true.
After everything CR said in his letter and what his lawyer said I really expected there to be something filed by now.
Actually all silence says is it just isn't worth the trouble.
Now if CIG can prove it was all a lie then that is a whole different ball game. But so far we have seen nothing from CIG in taking this to court. So in reality CIG is saying in their silence it is true.
After everything CR said in his letter and what his lawyer said I really expected there to be something filed by now.
Actually all silence says is it just isn't worth the trouble.
Bingo, we have a winner.
not really.
Were all entitled to our opinions
Speaking from personal experience, IMHO Thourne's reasoning is the most plausible.
My guess is that both the Escapist and CIG decided to put their cocks back in their trousers because it isn't worth it for either of them to continue this pissing contest. The Escapist has next to zero journalistic integrity after that podcast anyway. CIG doesn't need to sue them; they've already fucked themselves. And the Escapist got their clicks so why push CIG into legal action by flirting with a possible libel suit?
The best thing to come out of it all is this edited-for-truth version of Derek Smart's stream from a few days ago:
My guess is that both the Escapist and CIG decided to put their cocks back in their trousers because it isn't worth it for either of them to continue this pissing contest. The Escapist has next to zero journalistic integrity after that podcast anyway. CIG doesn't need to sue them; they've already fucked themselves. And the Escapist got their clicks so why push CIG into legal action by flirting with a possible libel suit?
The best thing to come out of it all is this edited-for-truth version of Derek Smart's stream from a few days ago:
First of all, your argument is centred around public companies. There is one MASSIVE difference between crowdfunding and public companies. It's assumed that public companies have shit tons of money at their disposal. So who cares if we go over budget?!?!?!? We can just get more!!! Whereas, with a crowdfunded company, you're immediately accountable. You have X dollars to make this game and that's it! There's nothing left in the well.
Even VC-funded companies are different than crowdfunding. They're taking a chunk of the company, so who cares if we waste some of their money? They're getting some of this awesomeness!!!!
Two completely different mentalities.
Remember that crowdfunded companies are always on trial in the court of public opinion, so if they do mess up, BAM!! Here comes the class action lawsuit.
Uhm.... Didn't Crowfall recently have an additional crowdfunding for a camera man? Not saying anything is amiss with crowfall but kind of negates "You have X amount of dollars to make this game and that's it" Weren't they asking for 80k? how much did they get? Hmm just went to their site and you can "pledge" isn't that what you do at a telethon? or charity? Maybe the word "pledge" has less legal ramifications than the word "pre-order" so why do they use the word "pledge" instead of the word "pre-order"?
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pledge a serious promise or agreement. : a promise to give money. : something that you leave with another person as a way to show that you will keep your promise.
Remember you're the one that's "pledging" not them.
As I said previously I'm not implying that anything is amiss with Crowfall but first we had the successful KS and now additional fundraising is in full swing, stretch goals and all.
I'm sure the lawyers have been all over this shit when it's devised. I'm no lawyer but a class action lawsuit might be a little more difficult than what you're thinking.
Again I'm not talking about individual projects, my thoughts are about crowdfunding as a whole.
I'm currently a backer on 4 or 5 projects and I can tell you that there are always back room deals. There always has been, since I can remember. You ALWAYS have the option of upgrading your order, there are always add-ons, they always expand the stretch goals. At that point, though, you've committed to making that game. The difference between not shipping a game that had 50 backers and $5000 and not shipping a game that had 1,000,000 backers and $100,000,000 in funding is fairly substantial.
Fundraising won't stop on these games. Why would they? Why would you take the risk of not delivering your game? You should always be fundraising. If there are people willing to fund it, then why stop? By the way, as arbitrary as raising 80k for a cameraman or a blogger or a barista might be, what does it matter? If people are going to fund it, then they're going to fund it. The people have spoken!!! Oh! and in the case above, that's actually pretty transparent.
My concerns are not with the honest or fiscally responsible one's. My concerns are with the dishonest and/or fiscally irresponsible ones.
You need proper rules, regulations and oversight to protect everyone involved including crowdfunding itself.
There are, and there's already been one lawsuit against someone who didn't deliver their product and didn't plan on it (not a video game though).
First of all, your argument is centred around public companies. There is one MASSIVE difference between crowdfunding and public companies. It's assumed that public companies have shit tons of money at their disposal. So who cares if we go over budget?!?!?!? We can just get more!!! Whereas, with a crowdfunded company, you're immediately accountable. You have X dollars to make this game and that's it! There's nothing left in the well.
Even VC-funded companies are different than crowdfunding. They're taking a chunk of the company, so who cares if we waste some of their money? They're getting some of this awesomeness!!!!
Two completely different mentalities.
Remember that crowdfunded companies are always on trial in the court of public opinion, so if they do mess up, BAM!! Here comes the class action lawsuit.
Uhm.... Didn't Crowfall recently have an additional crowdfunding for a camera man? Not saying anything is amiss with crowfall but kind of negates "You have X amount of dollars to make this game and that's it" Weren't they asking for 80k? how much did they get? Hmm just went to their site and you can "pledge" isn't that what you do at a telethon? or charity? Maybe the word "pledge" has less legal ramifications than the word "pre-order" so why do they use the word "pledge" instead of the word "pre-order"?
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pledge a serious promise or agreement. : a promise to give money. : something that you leave with another person as a way to show that you will keep your promise.
Remember you're the one that's "pledging" not them.
As I said previously I'm not implying that anything is amiss with Crowfall but first we had the successful KS and now additional fundraising is in full swing, stretch goals and all.
I'm sure the lawyers have been all over this shit when it's devised. I'm no lawyer but a class action lawsuit might be a little more difficult than what you're thinking.
Again I'm not talking about individual projects, my thoughts are about crowdfunding as a whole.
I'm currently a backer on 4 or 5 projects and I can tell you that there are always back room deals. There always has been, since I can remember. You ALWAYS have the option of upgrading your order, there are always add-ons, they always expand the stretch goals. At that point, though, you've committed to making that game. The difference between not shipping a game that had 50 backers and $5000 and not shipping a game that had 1,000,000 backers and $100,000,000 in funding is fairly substantial.
Fundraising won't stop on these games. Why would they? Why would you take the risk of not delivering your game? You should always be fundraising. If there are people willing to fund it, then why stop? By the way, as arbitrary as raising 80k for a cameraman or a blogger or a barista might be, what does it matter? If people are going to fund it, then they're going to fund it. The people have spoken!!! Oh! and in the case above, that's actually pretty transparent.
My concerns are not with the honest or fiscally responsible one's. My concerns are with the dishonest and/or fiscally irresponsible ones.
You need proper rules, regulations and oversight to protect everyone involved including crowdfunding itself.
There are, and there's already been one lawsuit against someone who didn't deliver their product and didn't plan on it (not a video game though).
Are you talking a Kickstarter or Crowdfunding alone? If it's Kickstarter are you talking about Kickstarter's own rules only, or laws and regulations with teeth.
Your brief description leaves me wondering why there is only a lawsuit and not also criminal charges for fraud.
First of all, your argument is centred around public companies. There is one MASSIVE difference between crowdfunding and public companies. It's assumed that public companies have shit tons of money at their disposal. So who cares if we go over budget?!?!?!? We can just get more!!! Whereas, with a crowdfunded company, you're immediately accountable. You have X dollars to make this game and that's it! There's nothing left in the well.
Even VC-funded companies are different than crowdfunding. They're taking a chunk of the company, so who cares if we waste some of their money? They're getting some of this awesomeness!!!!
Two completely different mentalities.
Remember that crowdfunded companies are always on trial in the court of public opinion, so if they do mess up, BAM!! Here comes the class action lawsuit.
Uhm.... Didn't Crowfall recently have an additional crowdfunding for a camera man? Not saying anything is amiss with crowfall but kind of negates "You have X amount of dollars to make this game and that's it" Weren't they asking for 80k? how much did they get? Hmm just went to their site and you can "pledge" isn't that what you do at a telethon? or charity? Maybe the word "pledge" has less legal ramifications than the word "pre-order" so why do they use the word "pledge" instead of the word "pre-order"?
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pledge a serious promise or agreement. : a promise to give money. : something that you leave with another person as a way to show that you will keep your promise.
Remember you're the one that's "pledging" not them.
As I said previously I'm not implying that anything is amiss with Crowfall but first we had the successful KS and now additional fundraising is in full swing, stretch goals and all.
I'm sure the lawyers have been all over this shit when it's devised. I'm no lawyer but a class action lawsuit might be a little more difficult than what you're thinking.
Again I'm not talking about individual projects, my thoughts are about crowdfunding as a whole.
I'm currently a backer on 4 or 5 projects and I can tell you that there are always back room deals. There always has been, since I can remember. You ALWAYS have the option of upgrading your order, there are always add-ons, they always expand the stretch goals. At that point, though, you've committed to making that game. The difference between not shipping a game that had 50 backers and $5000 and not shipping a game that had 1,000,000 backers and $100,000,000 in funding is fairly substantial.
Fundraising won't stop on these games. Why would they? Why would you take the risk of not delivering your game? You should always be fundraising. If there are people willing to fund it, then why stop? By the way, as arbitrary as raising 80k for a cameraman or a blogger or a barista might be, what does it matter? If people are going to fund it, then they're going to fund it. The people have spoken!!! Oh! and in the case above, that's actually pretty transparent.
My concerns are not with the honest or fiscally responsible one's. My concerns are with the dishonest and/or fiscally irresponsible ones.
You need proper rules, regulations and oversight to protect everyone involved including crowdfunding itself.
There are, and there's already been one lawsuit against someone who didn't deliver their product and didn't plan on it (not a video game though).
Are you talking a Kickstarter or Crowdfunding alone? If it's Kickstarter are you talking about Kickstarter's own rules only, or laws and regulations with teeth.
Your brief description leaves me wondering why there is only a lawsuit and not also criminal charges for fraud.
I actually couldn't find the case in question, but did come across this one. Looks more recent than the one I was going to reference, but it's related to the FTC filing charges against someone. So I don't think accountability is NOT there.
I actually couldn't find the case in question, but did come across this one. Looks more recent than the one I was going to reference, but it's related to the FTC filing charges against someone. So I don't think accountability is NOT there.
You got a link to the Greedmonger FTC or State legal action?
The best that can be said is that enforcement of accountability is very spotty and, frankly, I really doubt that the authorities are all that interested when they have bigger fish to fry.
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OMG, I'm glad I read this before investing my meager funds, think I'll just head over to Divergence Online instead. It's a way off, but seems to be less "turmoil" surrounding it.
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I actually couldn't find the case in question, but did come across this one. Looks more recent than the one I was going to reference, but it's related to the FTC filing charges against someone. So I don't think accountability is NOT there.
You got a link to the Greedmonger FTC or State legal action?
The best that can be said is that enforcement of accountability is very spotty and, frankly, I really doubt that the authorities are all that interested when they have bigger fish to fry.
In a country like the US, where the moneyed interests write the laws, asking for government oversight is the same as asking if JP Morgan or Citibank want any competition.
My guess is that both the Escapist and CIG decided to put their cocks back in their trousers because it isn't worth it for either of them to continue this pissing contest. The Escapist has next to zero journalistic integrity after that podcast anyway. CIG doesn't need to sue them; they've already fucked themselves. And the Escapist got their clicks so why push CIG into legal action by flirting with a possible libel suit?
The best thing to come out of it all is this edited-for-truth version of Derek Smart's stream from a few days ago:
Looks like that giant wuss had the video pulled by making a DMCA claim with youtube. What a shame ... that video was worth more than anything Derek Smart has ever created on his own.
My guess is that both the Escapist and CIG decided to put their cocks back in their trousers because it isn't worth it for either of them to continue this pissing contest. The Escapist has next to zero journalistic integrity after that podcast anyway. CIG doesn't need to sue them; they've already fucked themselves. And the Escapist got their clicks so why push CIG into legal action by flirting with a possible libel suit?
The best thing to come out of it all is this edited-for-truth version of Derek Smart's stream from a few days ago:
Looks like that giant wuss had the video pulled by making a DMCA claim with youtube. What a shame ... that video was worth more than anything Derek Smart has ever created on his own.
Haha what a poor sport
For one who likes to give it, he sure can't take it. He's probably going to file a lawsuit against Kate
Almost all the time i see Derek this and Derek that,why do people insist on curbing the attention away from CIG?
I don't know how big the escapist is but i am quite certain that they could unveil some real bad stuff at CIG if they put in the effort.
Mayor Ford threatened lawsuits as well versus a large newspaper,it did not scare them away one bit nor did it make Ford's statements accurate just as nothing Chris says is accurate unless proven and out of his mouth proves nothing.
When GIVEN FREE money,you would THINK Chris would use some due diligence,like pay himself and family members an enormous salary,has their salary ever been disclosed with this so called transparent business?Has he ever came out and said why they continue to outsource more ships without finishing what they have and putting the NEW money where it belongs "finishing the game that has already been funded".
From where i stand it sure looks like Chris THINKS this is a funded venture to sell ships prioritized ahead of the actual game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I don't know how big the escapist is but i am quite certain that they could unveil some real bad stuff at CIG if they put in the effort.
I'm sure that this would make you a happy panda.
Think is that this "real bad stuff" probably exists only in some people's minds. Wishful thinking of sorts..
To be honest, blind faith that everything is fine and CRs word is gospel and any naysayers blaspheme against the church of SC, is equally as annoying as those people willing the game to fail.
Here's a summary: Hi, I'm Derek Smart. I'm incapable of taking responsibility for my own choices.
I have seen very few people supporting DS in any of these threads; I've seen a lot of people getting accused of it though. The only reason his name keeps getting raised is as a distraction technique by those supporting SC... and because he is a narcissistic self-promoter, admittedly.
Here's a summary: Hi, I'm Derek Smart. I'm incapable of taking responsibility for my own choices.
I have seen very few people supporting DS in any of these threads; I've seen a lot of people getting accused of it though. The only reason his name keeps getting raised is as a distraction technique by those supporting SC... and because he is a narcissistic self-promoter, admittedly.
That could very well be ... or maybe it's because he's the king of all douchebags and has lead the charge against Star Citizen ... yeah, I think that's it.
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Were all entitled to our opinions
Speaking from personal experience, IMHO Thourne's reasoning is the most plausible.
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That video's hilarious, even Derek has got to laugh at that one.
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There are, and there's already been one lawsuit against someone who didn't deliver their product and didn't plan on it (not a video game though).
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Are you talking a Kickstarter or Crowdfunding alone? If it's Kickstarter are you talking about Kickstarter's own rules only, or laws and regulations with teeth.
Your brief description leaves me wondering why there is only a lawsuit and not also criminal charges for fraud.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I actually couldn't find the case in question, but did come across this one. Looks more recent than the one I was going to reference, but it's related to the FTC filing charges against someone. So I don't think accountability is NOT there.
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The best that can be said is that enforcement of accountability is very spotty and, frankly, I really doubt that the authorities are all that interested when they have bigger fish to fry.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
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Games being watched: Project Genom
Favorite played games: SWG, RomaVictor, and Xsyon
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
It's just a bad idea.
For one who likes to give it, he sure can't take it. He's probably going to file a lawsuit against Kate
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I don't know how big the escapist is but i am quite certain that they could unveil some real bad stuff at CIG if they put in the effort.
Mayor Ford threatened lawsuits as well versus a large newspaper,it did not scare them away one bit nor did it make Ford's statements accurate just as nothing Chris says is accurate unless proven and out of his mouth proves nothing.
When GIVEN FREE money,you would THINK Chris would use some due diligence,like pay himself and family members an enormous salary,has their salary ever been disclosed with this so called transparent business?Has he ever came out and said why they continue to outsource more ships without finishing what they have and putting the NEW money where it belongs "finishing the game that has already been funded".
From where i stand it sure looks like Chris THINKS this is a funded venture to sell ships prioritized ahead of the actual game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Think is that this "real bad stuff" probably exists only in some people's minds. Wishful thinking of sorts..
Here we go again
How much do you want to bet that if I open up a thread about the asshattery of Derek Smart, SC will constantly be brought up in the conversation.
Derek Smart and Star Citizen will be forever intertwined and that my friends is on Derek
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!